So this is my shackle angle I have now and I fucking hate it it has no FLEX at all trying to think of thing to do with out 4 linking or to much fab work just trying to get some ideas.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/badazzcherokee3/attachment.jpg

I was thinking about doing a 3/4 Elliptical also known as "Buggy Leaf" Looking for some input. This is what I was thinking for my xj.
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/badazzcherokee3/buggy2.jpg
http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg281/badazzcherokee3/bolted.jpg

First off...SEARCH...this shit has been covered NUMEROUS times...try NAXJA. That and wow, way to overthink things...especially to something like 3/4 elliptical, which is well...crap :shaking:. Why not just make a simple shackle hanger like many have done, relocating the shackles mount.

"with out 4 linking or to much fab work just trying to get some ideas."

Yeah, because doing a craptacular 3/4 elliptical won't a giant heahache...maybe not near as much as a properly done 4-link, but still far from the best option.

Is that your shackle angle at ride height :confused: I'm not TOO familiar with XJ's, but that seems wrong to me.


I've always been leery of buggy leafs. They seem like just another missing link shackle gimmick.

These are half-ton Chevy main leafs on a Toyota mini-truck. I feel confident that this was caused BY the buggy leafs letting the axle walk out from under the truck on the climb.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/wickedyota/springcreek3-9-08008.jpg

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/wickedyota/springcreek3-9-08009.jpg

First off...SEARCH...this shit has been covered NUMEROUS times...try NAXJA. That and wow, way to overthink things...especially to something like 3/4 elliptical, which is well...crap :shaking:. Why not just make a simple shackle hanger like many have done, relocating the shackles mount.

"with out 4 linking or to much fab work just trying to get some ideas."

Yeah, because doing a craptacular 3/4 elliptical won't a giant heahache...maybe not near as much as a properly done 4-link, but still far from the best option.

I did search and found nothing really about XJ's I have looked into makeing a shckle hanger a number of times and just wanted to explore my options.

Is that your shackle angle at ride height :confused: I'm not TOO familiar with XJ's, but that seems wrong to me.

Ya I am running the rustys 8in lift springs and they are stiff has hell with no flex in the spring and that shackle angle sucks.

someone screwed you on the springs you've got. they're way too short for your xj. Your shackle angle is horriable and should be around 45 degrees back instead of pointed forward like you have them. Fix that and you'll save yourself a ton of fab work.

How did you not find shit? I typed in Shackle and got a crap ton. You need to freakin learn to search. Here ya go.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=633934&highlight=shackle

How did you not find shit? I typed in Shackle and got a crap ton. You need to freakin learn to search. Here ya go.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=633934&highlight=shackle

Listen here pal, first of all, i was talking about 3/4 elliptical. The whole reason i was talking about that in the first place was to fix my shackle angle. 3/4 ellip would change my shackle angle, and the only fab work would be to get square u-bolts and u bolt plates and some minor drilling. Thanks for the always popular "search" response it helped out a lot.

throw some 63's under it and call it good.....minor fab....finished before you can get a 12 pack down. no 3/4 elliptic.

and IMHO buggy setups suck. I did one on a yoter when i was in highschool. even with a track bar (which they need) it was scary on the highway.

I have already moved my axle back and have a good ride heights. By going with 63s wont my axles be moved around again and I will lose my lift wont I?

That is the most fucked up shackle angle I have ever seen! I searched a shit load on different setups for my jeep and the buggy leaf was always considered a bad idea and swapped out.

Below is a link to leaf spring lengths. Hope it helps, you have to do something about that its just not right.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=656732


I also think you have the wrong springs. i've seen lift springs that are shorter than stock when unloaded but when loaded they are the same length as stock.

Listen here pal, first of all, i was talking about 3/4 elliptical. The whole reason i was talking about that in the first place was to fix my shackle angle. 3/4 ellip would change my shackle angle, and the only fab work would be to get square u-bolts and u bolt plates and some minor drilling. Thanks for the always popular "search" response it helped out a lot.

Whatever works for you dude, but there are plenty of us who get great flex out of standard leaf packs. I don't think your goal of 3/4 elliptical will be worth the effort compared to just moving your shackle box. Your jeep, not mine, sorry I couldn't help ya.


OH, bad idea for the 3/4's by the way. Unless you buggy out your XJ, back half it, and loose a shit ton of weight in the ass. I've seen a few guys try and make it work and everytime they were decending, they'd unload in a very dangerous fashion. One solved it with a limit strap, the other a suck down winch, but I still think its not such a great idea.

you go ahead and ubolt a main leaf to the unibody and see how long it stays in place. itll take a bit more than just bolting it through the body to make it not rip the sheetmetal apart.

Ya I am running the rustys 8in lift springs and they are stiff has hell with no flex in the spring and that shackle angle sucks.

gee, really? :confused:






those leaves dont fit, that's why your shackle angle sucks ass.

Well 53guy if I was to run a different leaf pack how would I get the same amount of lift? I am not trying to rule anything out or be a dick it is just people on pirate like to talk shit and I am just looking for help not shit talking.
You seem like a guy that I could learn from so if 3/4 is not the way to go then thats what I am trying to find out. But at the same time I want to keep my ride height with a better spring pack.

How I would do it, still maintain your ride height, get better angles, and not have to buy new leaf springs would be to relocate your rear shackle box. You have two options as I see it to do that. 1) move your shackle box forward of the stock location but at the same height as the stock location and purchase a longer shackle or 2) relocate your shackle box forward of the stock location and at the same time, lower the box so that when your shackle is at a 45 degree angle, your jeep is at the same ride height. I'd have to know what length shackle you are running now and a bit more info to give you exact measurments, but I'd think that if you follow the arc of your current shackle to where it'd be at a 45 degree angle and then drop that about an inch below the stock bolt hole, you'd maintain your current ride height and have better shackle angles. So total cost would be a bit of 1/4" steel plate and some welding. That'd be my suggestion. There's nothing wrong with running the Rusty's leafs (Rusty's sucks IMHO, but I've never run their leafs, so I can't help you there) and still having good flex, a good ride quality and still maintain your ride height, just a bit of math involved. Let me look around, I know there's a thread out there that covered the math...or at least I thought there was.

Here ya go, this has some good drawings for you so you can visualize what I'm talking about.

http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=943105&highlight=shackle

many, many people have leaves from cRusty's that are too short. it seems to be a trend with that business.

get a quality set of leaves if you expect a quality ride at that amount of lift. Deaver would be a good choice as would Skyjacker.

or move your hangers around and still have an overly-arched, too short leaf pack that doesn't compress worth a crap.




or you could just go mono-coil & be done with it. that's the way i'd go.

Well 53guy if I was to run a different leaf pack how would I get the same amount of lift? I am not trying to rule anything out or be a dick it is just people on pirate like to talk shit and I am just looking for help not shit talking.
You seem like a guy that I could learn from so if 3/4 is not the way to go then thats what I am trying to find out. But at the same time I want to keep my ride height with a better spring pack.

I would either contact Rusty's and complain about the spring length, or I would buy a new set of springs made to the correct measurements. The PROBLEM is your spring. Adding a 3/4 elliptic, or moving your shackle mount is just putting a band-aid on the problem, NOT fixing. ;)

I would either contact Rusty's and complain about the spring length, or I would buy a new set of springs made to the correct measurements. The PROBLEM is your spring. Adding a 3/4 elliptic, or moving your shackle mount is just putting a band-aid on the problem, NOT fixing. ;)

That's what I was thinking. It seems like he could put a longer main leaf and take a couple of the bottom leaves out of his spring, thus lengthening his spring, giving it some droop (which lift springs inherently lack) and fix his shackle angle... but i have never had any experience with having a flat main leaf on a lifted spring. Has anyone ever done this?

I would either contact Rusty's and complain about the spring length, or I would buy a new set of springs made to the correct measurements. The PROBLEM is your spring. Adding a 3/4 elliptic, or moving your shackle mount is just putting a band-aid on the problem, NOT fixing. ;)

True that.

Thanks Rob but your sitting right next to me.

many, many people have leaves from cRusty's that are too short. it seems to be a trend with that business.

get a quality set of leaves if you expect a quality ride at that amount of lift. Deaver would be a good choice as would Skyjacker.

or move your hangers around and still have an overly-arched, too short leaf pack that doesn't compress worth a crap.




or you could just go mono-coil & be done with it. that's the way i'd go.

Whats a mono-coil?

someone screwed you on the springs you've got. they're way too short for your xj. Your shackle angle is horriable and should be around 45 degrees back instead of pointed forward like you have them. Fix that and you'll save yourself a ton of fab work.

That is what you get when you put the RE 5.5 kit on and maintain the stock shackle.
Ask me how I know....:D
What I did was get a set of Deavers that are two inches longer than stock, but now the damn shackle hits the bumper, time for some more fab work and building a set of boomerang shackles.
What you could do is relocate the rear mount forward. It doesn't take much work and can easily solve your angle problem.
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o220/Jump_bucket/100_4873.jpg

Thanks Rob but your sitting right next to me.

I just didn't want to look at you. :flipoff2:

I understand I wouldnt either:mr-t:

Ya I am running the rustys 8in lift springs.

Well there's your problem right there. I can't tell you how many sets of cRusty's leaf/shackle combos I've seen sitting at that angle. Get yourself a better set of leaves and you'll be a lot better off. You already said you don't like the ride (stiff as hell), so just ditch them and get a set of properly engineered leaf springs and be done with it.

I've seen my buddy's buggy leafs break twice. They are pretty jenky if you ask me and over all just unsound. It looks like your going to have to move some hangers either way to get the shackle angle you want. I would sell those crappy rusty's springs, go to the junk yard and grab some 63" Chevy springs and move the front shackles forward. Just and opinion, take it or leave it.

I'm not a big fan of the 3/4 eliptical/buggy leaf. I had this set up on my YJ, and the axle walked under the rig and bent the crap out of the leaf spring while on the Elevator obstacle in Moab. The truth is that if you run a buggy leaf AKA 3/4 eliptical you should link the rear axle. If you are going to do that much work, why not airshocks, coils, or coil-overs.

Whatever you do, I would start by sending your springs back. If you have to run those springs, I would make my own shackle mount and move it forward to get the correct angle.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o220/Jump_bucket/100_4873.jpg


I like your Pink bike :eek:

FAWK IT LETS COIL AND LINK IT TOMORROW.:smokin:

I am down but you have to buy the material. I will supply the jeep :D

Ok, What am I missing?


I kicked out this, thought I'd share as about once a month someone is asking what leafs to run.
My great web wheel'n in excel & mspaint! Any more leafs?

Longer leafs for my CJ/YJ:

http://littlekeylime.com/MrN/mrnimages/springs.gif
Edit: was "Waggys, XJ, Dakota, F150 or 63" Chevy's"

If I were to use durango or dakota main leafs with some of the lift springs from the rustys pack that I have would it make it into a lifted spring?

This thread is just funny as hell. I have been around long enough to remember the days before forums...back when it was email mailing lists, I can remember before the interweb at all.

Lots of things have come and gone over the years. 3/4 ellip used to be all the rage. If you could find an actual wheelin rig in a 4x4 mag, it got bonus points. Same with 1/4 ellip.

What I see in many of the pics posted in this thread is there are lots of people out there that don't know anything about building a 3/4 ellip and on what rig they are good on.

The last few of my harder core rigs that I have had....I'm not saying I am the hardest core MF'er on the site, I said harder core meaning more built than average and more beat on than average....have been Jeeps with leafs or long arms but I also had a old 86 Toyota with 3/4 ellip and had 0 trouble out of it. Low horsepower, stiff shocks and limiting how far the thing can droop I think is key.

3/4 has it's draw backs, but so does any other suspension design. There is no perfect setup for every rig in every state for every type of terrain.


Now, on the OP's rig would I do it? Not to fix his issues. I also think Rusty F'ed another person with those crappy springs. New springs from someone like BDS and a set of boomerangs and he would be all set.

Thanks for that.
I am not only looking to fix this problem I am also looking for a good setup that will flex great and not have any issues.

If I were to use durango or dakota main leafs with some of the lift springs from the rustys pack that I have would it make it into a lifted spring?

Or would it lift it and stiffen the hell out of it to?

...the only fab work would be to get square u-bolts and u bolt plates and some minor drilling.

:laughing:
Billy

I am also looking for a good setup that will flex great and not have any issues.

Mine work fine and cost me $13 to build 3 years ago. :flipoff2:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Timmay822/Summer%2007%20Build/Springbreak022Medium.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Timmay822/Summer%2007%20Build/Springbreak023Medium.jpg

Or would it lift it and stiffen the hell out of it to?

No, just swap the two top leafs out with the S10/dakota stuff.

The best XJ bastard pack spring swap I have found is using Dodge B-van rear springs main leafs which move the axle back about a 1/2" and are about 1.5" longer overall. I redrilled my spring perches to move the axle forward 3/4". This allowed my rear tires to stuff centered in the rear wheelwell openings.

Combine them with a MJ main leaf with the eyes cut off for a full length second leaf when mix the MJ, XJ, and B-van leftovers together to get your desired height.
You'll need some boomerang shackles with poly bushing in the shackle and rear spring eyes. Leave the front spring eye rubber for better ride ride quality. The poly bushings in the longer shackles and springs will correct your shackle angle, will allow the rear suspension to flex freely and noticably improve the ride quality.

This will have none of the negative aspects a 3/4 elliptic suspension has.

Now that my XJ is gutted, my build on my MJ has started. This is what I have already found out about my MJ's rear suspension.

My MJ has some middle/rated load range Stanley replacement springs and a 1.5" lift XJ T&T Customs boomerang shackle with poly bushings. The upper rear shackle mounts have been moved 1.75" forward. This combination nets me 8.5" of compression travel and 14.5" of total travel. I can use all of the travel flexing the suspension out.

Adding buggy leafs would allow more droop, but eliminate the stable balanced handling and flex I have now.

Mine work fine and cost me $13 to build 3 years ago. :flipoff2:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Timmay822/Summer%2007%20Build/Springbreak022Medium.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Timmay822/Summer%2007%20Build/Springbreak023Medium.jpg

Hey thats great that yours worked out for you. But my springs are stiff as hell and by the way you setup looks to work if you have a relatively soft spring pack. Me having a stiff pack I think I need to get my flex from shackle movement

Hey thats great that yours worked out for you. But my springs are stiff as hell and by the way you setup looks to work if you have a relatively soft spring pack. Me having a stiff pack I think I need to get my flex from shackle movement

Shackle angle isn't going to change much at all if you have a stiff spring pack. In my experience, there is no spring pack you can buy that will flex the way we want it to. Alcans are the only exception, and they are custom built anyway.

You are going to have to start playing with different springs and build yourself a bastard pack to take full advantage of relocated shackle boxes.

gee, really? :confused:






those leaves dont fit, that's why your shackle angle sucks ass.

Im assuming your reffering to the 10" springs that are originally for a comanchee? Theres a reason Rusty's doesnt recomend using them on an xj ya dumbass. Spring rate is entirely wrong and a leaf that big is just flat retarted anyways.

..I think I need to get my flex from shackle movement

ahhh, so eliminate the spring doing what a spring does. :homer:

BRILLIANT :beer:







if more people returned this lame cRusty's bullshit we'd have fewer threads like this.

Mine work fine and cost me $13 to build 3 years ago. :flipoff2:

Someone's not telling the entire story of what's working in those pics... :laughing:

my buddies comanche flexes like that without a buggy leaf. that long arm in the front is doing all the twisting. or is it just me?

i see sliders...

that long arm in the front is doing all the twisting. or is it just me?


ya he needs to post a pic of lifting a front tire, not a rear.

ya he needs to post a pic of lifting a front tire, not a rear.

In a few days. I'm finishing the build up right now. Shakedown is this weekend.

I am thinking about running the 63" chevy leafs and blocks.
I originally didnt want to do much fab work on my jeep for mounting the rear springs. I wanted to try and keep the stock hangers but I just recently bought a full frame stiffener from RocDogFab that runs from the very front of the jeep all the way to the rear. So I think I am going to just cut off the existing front hangers and weld all the stiffeners on relocate the front hangers and make a shackle box.

I will figure out where my front hanger needs to be mounted by setting my axle where I want it to sit under the jeep and bolt it to the perches see where it sits with the axle in place and go from there.

Please if anyone has pictures of mounting 63" chevys or has done this before and wants to throw something in I want opinions, ideas, pics, and etc. I want to no if this is a bad idea good. Is there a better way to go?

I am thinking about running the 63" chevy leafs and blocks.
I originally didnt want to do much fab work on my jeep for mounting the rear springs. I wanted to try and keep the stock hangers but I just recently bought a full frame stiffener from RocDogFab that runs from the very front of the jeep all the way to the rear. So I think I am going to just cut off the existing front hangers and weld all the stiffeners on relocate the front hangers and make a shackle box.

I will figure out where my front hanger needs to be mounted by setting my axle where I want it to sit under the jeep and bolt it to the perches see where it sits with the axle in place and go from there.

Please if anyone has pictures of mounting 63" chevys or has done this before and wants to throw something in I want opinions, ideas, pics, and etc. I want to no if this is a bad idea good. Is there a better way to go?
Just do the 3/4 elliptical since your not listening to what people are saying. :shaking:



Edit: I personally enjoy getting hung up on rocks. Which is basically what you would be doing with 63s.
http://www.jeepaholics.com/support/files/imgonnasnap/20050914160411_IMG_0536.JPG
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=360954

3/4 elliptic is gay and its a waste of time.........

3/4 elliptic is gay and its a waste of time.........

so is using the name "BADASSxxxxXXXXxxxx" when it's not badass.




welcome to PBB. :flipoff2:

your an idiot

so is using the name "BADASSxxxxXXXXxxxx" when it's not badass.




welcome to PBB. :flipoff2:

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You haven't even made one good post, all you've done is waste of band width...

So lets see this badassed flattie or is it gay and a waste of time also.:shaking:

:flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2:

It looks like your the idiot here...:shaking:

Another troll just what we need....:barf:

all you've done is waste of band width...

and your reply helped so much?
oh wait!
I just wasted some too!:flipoff2:

3/4 elliptic is gay and its a waste of time.........

And so your thread you started yesterday that says "Hi Im new to this rokcrawling thing, and I just baught a jeep liberty. What lift should I buy and tires? I was thinking 2.5 in superlift with 31s?" makes you qualified to express any opinions on here? stfu.

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You haven't even made one good post, all you've done is waste of band width...

So lets see this badassed flattie or is it gay and a waste of time also.:shaking:

:flipoff2::flipoff2::flipoff2:

It looks like your the idiot here...:shaking:

Another troll just what we need....:barf:


Pot meet kettle :shaking: