What'd you know few days before the trip and Scout starts acting funny. Here's a run down, I've noticed if it sits for a few days then it's real hard to start, and won't start while cranking. You crank the engine for a minute or two and when you release the starter it fires up. Then today on the way to work this morning it up and died pulling into the driveway, but fired right up. On the way home for lunch it sputtered, I noticed the gas gauge was a little lower then normal so I stopped and put in 10 gallons. Pulling out of the gas station it died. It would crank over, fire then idle, step on the gas and it would die. Fires up, I rev it up drop the revs to put it in gear and it dies. Finally started up, I could smell a flooded carb, so I'm not too sure it's fuel related.

So I've got to go through this thing if I have time I'll replace the plugs,cap, and rotor, I'll check the following:

Fuel System, replace filter, check lines for any questionable lines.
Carb, check idle screws, choke, and throttle
Electrical, check firewall connections, and other connections
Ignition, check distty, cap, rotor and timing.

Worse case, I'll check the fuel pump to make sure no problems there.

Last resort replace gold box distty with points unit

Anything else obvious I've missed. Sure wish it was a non-intermittent problem

Make sure your chokes functioning correctly, thats where my my money is based on the description. Fuel, air and spark man. You'll find it :D

Originally posted by mike
Make sure your chokes functioning correctly, thats where my my money is based on the description. Fuel, air and spark man. You'll find it :D

Worse case I'll yank the choke off the carb.

Amanda's toy had a similar problem and it ended up being a bad electric fuel pump. Is your mech or elec?

Originally posted by jdjanda


Worse case I'll yank the choke off the carb.

Worst case hook a cable to it. Easy and perminent ;)

Originally posted by Rubicrawler
Amanda's toy had a similar problem and it ended up being a bad electric fuel pump. Is your mech or elec?

Mech, I'm going to start the search for one tonight just in case.

Why don't you at least narrow it down to ignition or fuel before you start replacing everything? Good luck.

Originally posted by Rubicrawler
Amanda's toy had a similar problem and it ended up being a bad electric fuel pump. Is your mech or elec?

Yeah I was thinking fuel delivery too till he mentioned that the carb smelled flooded. Either way its easy to find out. And pretty easy to fix. God I love old pre-computer engines ;)

Originally posted by Hammerlock
Why don't you at least narrow it down to ignition or fuel before you start replacing everything? Good luck.

Because the fuel pumps can be hard to find and I wouldn't mind having a trail spare. Don't wanna run the trail gravity feed.

Joe

Why not convert to electric in that case? either way check the damned thing first ;)

Joe- I have an electric pump I carry as an emergancy spare, you're welcome to it :)

Or, just go down to Kragen etc. and pick one up for about $30.00.

Ive had problems like that before with my carb. First it was a 2barrel with a spacer, the 2barrell eventually went bad & would flood. The second was a CARTER that one of the floats had a pinhole & took on gas, so one side had a lower float, cause hard starting & sometimes wouldnt start at all until the gas seeped out of the float.

Originally posted by jdjanda


Because the fuel pumps can be hard to find and I wouldn't mind having a trail spare. Don't wanna run the trail gravity feed.

Joe

Hard to find? Heck, I have a NOS fuel pump in an IH "International Parts" box sitting here on my desk AT WORK.. :flipoff2:

Part number 433114C92

Hmm.. Made in Canada.. :confused:

Anyhow.. I can buy new pumps for $20 at my local parts store.. always have 'em in stock.. cheap.. not like it's a super-rare IH only part...

Thanks guys I'll update you when I know. I should just do the fawk'n tune up. Hope it's simple, don't feel like screw'n with the disty or a carb.

Joe

Sara did drive that thing last night.

I know my XJ was never the same after Sara drove it:flipoff2:

did you replace the spark plugs recently?? may have switched up the spark wires?? just throwing some stuff up in the air. I switched up my wires and was wondering why it kept on misfiring and dying. I am a moron.:)

leacky fule live

Originally posted by tsm1mt


Hard to find? Heck, I have a NOS fuel pump in an IH "International Parts" box sitting here on my desk AT WORK.. :flipoff2:

Part number 433114C92

Hmm.. Made in Canada.. :confused:

Anyhow.. I can buy new pumps for $20 at my local parts store.. always have 'em in stock.. cheap.. not like it's a super-rare IH only part...


Yeah! What he said. Get down to Kragen and pick one up. They most likely have it in stock. I've always been able to get one at Kragen, and it's always been in stock. Check your carb for vacuum leaks too. More than once I've found the carb itself is loose on the manifold and creating problems that you describe. My next guess is faulty ignition. I have a spare gold box if you need it. Bad wiring or disty problems next best bet.

Gold box?

I think it's the curse of Sara, although she was pretty light on the throttle last night or the bulkhead connectors. I think I've got a short when cranking causing issues with the ignition. Did it to me again tonight, I pushed on the bulkhead connectors and it fired right up. I'm going to replenish the supply of di-electric grease see if that clears it up.

Oh and I do need a new cap and rotor, might as well do the plugs while I'm in there.

Joe

Can you open the pins or crimp down the plugs to insure a tighter fit? It could be that the connectors are loose inside the plugs and not on the outside. It's just a thought I've had to do that on trailer connectors to make contact after the plugs were used alot.

Originally posted by lt303scoutin
Gold box?

YOU out of POR and back to the BB! Dumbass!~

Don't even get me started. I'll happily take your problem if you take mine. 4 link and coils to the rear, doubler, new drivelines front and rear, little more cage work, finish my trailer and all by next Friday. If it wasn't for 110+ heat, I'd be halfway through by now instead of just part way.

Originally posted by HarleyM
Can you open the pins or crimp down the plugs to insure a tighter fit? It could be that the connectors are loose inside the plugs and not on the outside. It's just a thought I've had to do that on trailer connectors to make contact after the plugs were used alot.

That's what I'm going to do is fawk with em. Worse case, I'll reterm then all, problem solved.

Joe

Joe tell us about your ignition system, what are you running? :question: :question:

Originally posted by Old Scout
Joe tell us about your ignition system, what are you running? :question: :question:

Stock gold box ignition baby :D If I suspect the GB then I'll break out the meter and start testing.

I have a points disty ready if I want to screw with it.

Originally posted by jdjanda


If I suspect the GB

Me too, Bulkhead next:beer:

ditch the gold box anyway

Originally posted by Old Scout


YOU out of POR and back to the BB! Dumbass!~

what the hell was that for :shaking:

I had the same problem....I swapped to a new mech fuel pump and the problems went away. Anytime it would sit for more than a day it would take fuel down the carb to crank....then it got to where it had less power and would die....swapping to a new mech pump fixed it.

HTH,

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Chief Yelling Alot


what the hell was that for :shaking:

Anyone asking a Question of POR that is well covered in the BB FAQs is faucked up! Ohh yea you do it all the time!:mad:

I had a 4bbl Holley that caused the exact same types of symptoms. Had internal fuel and vaucum leaks and other issues with pryor poor rebuilds and wear. Was draining gas into manifold while idling and when stopped causing it to flood. Took forever to start when cold because float bowl was dry. When hot would sometimes restart right away and run for 30 seconds, stall and then would take much cranking to restart.

jdjanga I went back and read your initial post a few times, and it just about mirrors my experience. I was running a jacobs/pertronix setup and sent back the computer to jacobs, changed out all the wires, cap,rotor, plugs etc as well as fuel pump and filter before I realized it was the carb. I had it rebuilt by a idiot and then redid it myself to cure the problem.

Originally posted by Old Scout


Anyone asking a Question of POR that is well covered in the BB FAQs is faucked up! Ohh yea you do it all the time!:mad:

who cares :zzz: