Axle Swap = Insurance Dropped. Desertfab Motorsports Fucked Me!

[ChicagoDII]

About a week ago someone hit and run my truck in the parking lot, and since its my DD and I want it to look halfway decent I called up my insurance company.

Turns out my insurance adjuster didnt really like the quality of work that Todd from Desertfab Motorsports did on my axle swap. I paid him up front, it took 3 months longer than promised, and the amount of shit he fucked up is immeasurable. My truck has never tracked really straight since his "axle swap"

So now I find myself trying to gather up the cash to do a D60 swap and swap them under myself, using good quality brackets, and quality welding. I really wish I had a house last year instead of an appartment, but oh well.

So Todd, I hope you see this, so you can tell me, and everyone else what would possibly make my insurance company want to drop my coverage?

I think its got something to do with this, but I'm not sure. My favorite picture is the last one, sorry its sideways, but it shows Todd's lack of basic math skills, that radius arm and entire bracket is 2" too close to the knuckle. You can tell, because the gray swaybar link should be perfectly flat with the picture being sideways. Also check out the one of my rear spring, notice how the spring seat is not centered below the top spring pad?

Defend yourself and your business Todd. You illiterate shithead.

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[ChicagoDII]

I should follow up by saying I did not post this with the intention to get money or compensation from Desertfab. I was trying to be the better man in this situation and not post up anything on a public forum, but rather just re-build all of his booty fab myself and just suck it up. However, having to pay for tuition and D60s has got me quite angry.

[Dookey]

why do you have massive amounts of oil all over your junk? Why would desertfab know why your insurance wants to drop you? Ask your insurance agent/adjuster. If your insurance company has a problem with the work they did then have them go after desertfab. I don't understand the problem?

[ChicagoDII]

why do you have massive amounts of oil all over your junk? Why would desertfab know why your insurance wants to drop you? Ask your insurance agent/adjuster. If your insurance company has a problem with the work they did then have them go after desertfab. I don't understand the problem?

At the time that picture was taken, it had a blown pinion seal.


The insurance company said it is my responsibility to fix my vehicle. The problem is the axle swap job Desertfab butchered. Like I said in my 2nd post. Im just angry that his booty fab continues to cause problems for me, so I wrote this thread to show people the quality that desertfab does. That and I would like Todd to give me some input as to why he felt it was acceptable to let a street driven vehicle leave his shop as shown.

[bigbroncojeff]

At the time that picture was taken, it had a blown pinion seal.


The insurance company said it is my responsibility to fix my vehicle. The problem is the axle swap job Desertfab butchered. Like I said in my 2nd post. Im just angry that his booty fab continues to cause problems for me, so I wrote this thread to show people the quality that desertfab does. That and I would like Todd to give me some input as to why he felt it was acceptable to let a street driven vehicle leave his shop as shown.

i'm not defending the work... but you let it leave the shop when you paid and drove away

[XZettle]

In that first pic are the welds that sh1tty :shaking: or is that just cause the pic is blurry?

Which insurance co do you have? Just wanna make sure mine wont drop me if I swap my axles out....

[ChicagoDII]

In that first pic are the welds that sh1tty :shaking: or is that just cause the pic is blurry?

Which insurance co do you have? Just wanna make sure mine wont drop me if I swap my axles out....

The pic is blurry, it actually makes them look better than they are in person.

I dont really want to post up my insurance company. Lets just say that I think an adjuster from any of the major auto insurance companies would have an issue with this.

[el ranger loco]

Wow, desert fab actually did that? It looks like something out of a high school shop class in Arkansas. Pics of the whole rig?


Has anyone actually talked to Todd or Dave personally or do you guys just talk shit on the internet?

[ChicagoDII]

i'm not defending the work... but you let it leave the shop when you paid and drove away

Like I said, I paid ahead of time, Todd told me it would get done faster. That, and his promised 1 month that took 3 really fucked me over. I just had moved down here from illinois and was living in an appartment going to ASU. I had no way to get to my job for 3 months. When it was finally "ready" aka it could make it down the highway at 70 with only minor steering shimmy and a few more vibrations than what I started with, I had no choice but to take it back, I didnt want to keep mooching rides.

And if Todd or Dave from Desertfab come on here trying to make me look bad, I should probably just clear a few things up. Yes I was around their shop alot, only because after 3 weeks I saw no progress, and he had my money, and my truck, so of course I kept showing up to see what the deal was.

The only thing that I made him fix before I took it back, has to do with the picture of the shock. In the configuration they were in, the bodies would hit the brake calipers, so I asked him to fix it. It took 2 more weeks, and he butchered it too. After the axle swap was initially done I did have an insurance agent look at my vehicle since I was changing companies at the time, and he just peeked his head under the truck for a minute, and said "the shocks look like they hit the brakes" Thats it, he didnt really look closely at any of the booty fab, the guy was kinda dumb. The insurance company I have now seems to care that the welds on my axle look dangerous. I told Todd what he said, and only then did he actually "fix" the shock mounts. And Todd whined like a little bitch the whole time he had to re-do the mounts, which should have been done in the first place. Funny thing was, he actually cut the pass. side arm, same one he welded in 2" off target.

Also, last May I did call up Desertfab asking for money. I tried to sell a pair of custom front radius arms. These are Land Rover forged I-Beam shaped radius arms. Todd decided that instead of calling me to ask what to do about a steering problem, he took it upon himself that it was 100% necessary that my tie rod behind the axle needed to be bolted in on the top side rather than the bottom side of the knuckles, only a .75" height difference. When bolted to the bottom of the knuckles the tie rod clears just fine, when bolted to the top it hits the radius arms. He took a 1.5" long section out of the bottom of the I beam radius arm, making it into a T. Only to show me when I get there that he said it was too hard of metal to continue to grind, so he said its ok on the bottom anyways.

To be honest, I guess I overlooked how extremely dangerous that chunk out of the bottom half of my front radius arm was, so I never bitched about it until I tried to sell them, and no one would buy them because of that cut. I paid $375 for them, so I called him asking for $375. Figuring that even though everything else was fucked up, this was no excuse. Todd told me to "Fuck you kid, go to hell, sue me for all I care"


That was the last time I talked with them. I kind of just wanted to forget about everything that had happened with this axle swap project. Todd proved himself to be unprofessional, rude, and a downright fucking moron :flipoff2:

However, my recent financial problem of having to have this fixed within a month, has made me reconsider keeping this stuff under wraps, I am being burned again, and no one else deserves to deal with this BS.

There is NO SLANDEROUS INFORMATION targeted at Todd or Desertfab, only the facts are contained in my posting. Thats both sides of the story that you just read. If you see this Todd, I dont want help, money or shit from you. Just explain to future customers why they should trust you that their vehicles wont look like this. There you have it, so Todd, GET FUCKED YOU ASSHOLE :flipoff2: Maybe I should sue you, you told me to. Now thats customer service.

[howyadoin]

There seems to be a continuing theme in this formum?

[dusmcbro]

i know it's a bit late, but that truck should have gone to Absolute offroad and yes a recurring topic on this forum it seems. I know where not to take my vehicles. On the bright side your loss is other folks gain. yet again haven't seen any responses from this business owner with any of the problems that have been brought up on this forum. sorry to hear about your luck :(

[ChicagoDII]

i know it's a bit late, but that truck should have gone to Absolute offroad and yes a recurring topic on this forum it seems. I know where not to take my vehicles. On the bright side your loss is other folks gain. yet again haven't seen any responses from this business owner with any of the problems that have been brought up on this forum. sorry to hear about your luck :(

Ya, this has been a pretty reoccurring topic lately. I know I should have taken it elsewhere, but I didnt do proper research, and Todd promised the lowest cost, and the shortest time. In the end, his "work" has cost me more time and money than I ever imagined.

The reason you have not seen any response from Todd of Desertfab Motorsports is because TODD IS A FUCKING PUSSY, or just too dumb to read. Someone please email him and let him know that he should respond to my thread, and the few others about his lack of quality and business ethic. I am sorry for the language and personal attacks that I've written in this thread, but Todd has chosen to represent himself to me with the same lack of professionalism and character, so he can EAT SHIT :flipoff2:

[howyadoin]

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My nine year old just vomited...:flipoff2:

[ChicagoDII]

My nine year old just vomited...:flipoff2:

Todd go clean that shit up. :flipoff2:

[rube bonet]

I know I should have taken it elsewhere, but I didnt do proper research, and Todd promised the lowest cost, and the shortest time. In the end, his "work" has cost me more time and money than I ever imagined.

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[lancetkenyon]

Wow, another one..........:shaking:

[oc1paddler]

Scary! Would love to see some kind of response!

[ChicagoDII]

Scary! Would love to see some kind of response!

If Todd doesnt work up the balls to respond to this thread, I'm going to post it in general4x4 tomorrow and let him get ripped to pieces. He deserves it, and people deserve to know to stay away from Desertfab Motorworks.

[supersize75k5]

its 4 days after tomorrow:flipoff2:

[glenn_7_1069]

First of all, RULE #1 ,you never ever ever pay for a job upfront before the job is even started. RULE#2, make shure the job is done right the first time before it even leaves the shop and before you pay the bill (($ )). And as for "desertfab", i have herd some bad things about them from other people on other forums. MAKE SHURE YOUR HAPPY WITH THE JOB BEFORE YOU PAY THE BILL.

[Arizona_Jeep]

Well to me, Todd sounds like a moronic asshole that can't fab worth of shit. I know I ain't going to take my shit there. Between this and homecourts thread. And has Todd coughed up the balls to reply to either of the threads? Or is he a pussy?

[TOY84TAN]

had kinda same issues with them.scheduled an appointment 3 weeks out so i could have some work done.dropped the truck off and they waited 2 weeks more before they even started on it.work was half n half.whom ever did the crossover and welding did a great job,i know which guy did that and he was great to deal with.but who ever welded up my rear bumper and front diff guard was a hack.hell the front diff ended up leaking cause they burned thru the housing and it had to be re-welded.not bad for them having the truck for almost a month.

[FatBob309]

And has Todd coughed up the balls to reply to either of the threads? Or is he a pussy?

Todd will not post to threads like this. He told me that a long time ago. Why should he. The only thing that will happen it that it will become a game of he said she said... Thats all that ever seems to happen.

[oc1paddler]

Todd will not post to threads like this. He told me that a long time ago. Why should he. The only thing that will happen it that it will become a game of he said she said... Thats all that ever seems to happen.

Well I have never had work done at Desert Fab but I would think that some kind of response would be in order? As you know he is all over the AZVJC board offering his services. I'm sure lots of people would like to know if they think that its ok to turn out dangerous booty fab that might hurt someone or if they are being accused unjustly. I will reserve my judgement until I see some work in person but I have heard from enough disgruntle people to give me pause about their work.

[desertfabmotorsports]

Response!!

I have not been in business for 10 years by screwing customers over. I do everything with in reason to make customers happy. But if customers NEVER contact me with any concerns than what do you do. Homecourt never contacted me with any concerns. Starts a thread 4 MONTHS later
ChicagoDII never contacted me in 2 YEARS.
There are 2 sides to every story, and it is nobodies business but between Me and the customer.

For all of you that like to call names behind a key board here is the shop address: Will be happy to discuss any issues you have face to face.

4961 S Pinal Dr #2
Apache Junction AZ 85219

I will not respond to this thread again. Have a great day!!

[glenn_7_1069]

A business that is open to the public for the public, is the publics business!!Response!!

I have not been in business for 10 years by screwing customers over. I do everything with in reason to make customers happy. But if customers NEVER contact me with any concerns than what do you do. Homecourt never contacted me with any concerns. Starts a thread 4 MONTHS later
ChicagoDII never contacted me in 2 YEARS.
There are 2 sides to every story, and it is nobodies business but between Me and the customer.

For all of you that like to call names behind a key board here is the shop address: Will be happy to discuss any issues you have face to face.

4961 S Pinal Dr #2
Apache Junction AZ 85219

I will not respond to this thread again. Have a great day!!

[Arizona_Jeep]

I side with Todd, if the unhappy customers had not ever contacted Todd with the problems, than hell! How would he know? I will say it should have been right from the begining, but still, if it isn't what you expected and/or paid for, than Todd sure as hell better fix every damn issue. It would be diferent if the customer contacted Todd with the issue, but they didn't. Simple as that, I had thought they contacted Todd with the issues and he had not fixed them. But as you as well as I can see, that was not the case. As Todd said, he wouldn't be in business for 10 years by screwing people over.

[Kyron]

Well to me, Todd sounds like a moronic asshole that can't fab worth of shit. I know I ain't going to take my shit there. Between this and homecourts thread. And has Todd coughed up the balls to reply to either of the threads? Or is he a pussy?



I side with Todd, if the unhappy customers had not ever contacted Todd with the problems, than hell! How would he know? I will say it should have been right from the begining, but still, if it isn't what you expected and/or paid for, than Todd sure as hell better fix every damn issue. It would be diferent if the customer contacted Todd with the issue, but they didn't. Simple as that, I had thought they contacted Todd with the issues and he had not fixed them. But as you as well as I can see, that was not the case. As Todd said, he wouldn't be in business for 10 years by screwing people over.



Daummm you sway with the breeze....

I bet you belived the toll roads were going to happen huh :flipoff2:

[ChicagoDII]

Todd sent me this PM about a week and a half ago:


"You fucking told to me to do that to the arms, because you did not want to rotate the knuckles.
You sure talk alot of shit behind a keyboard, You want to kick my ass then bring your big mouth down to the shop and we will see who kicks whos ass."


I did contact Todd, as stated earlier, about the radius arms. He made it very apparent that he wanted nothing to do with helping me fix my issues he had caused. So FUCK YOU TODD, stop lying about that, I did contact you, and i do not know how you have been in business for 10 years.

I did not tell you to cut up my radius arms, and when i first started this project, i had good basic fab skills, i didn't know much about axles or suspension yet. So you saying that I didnt want to rotate the knuckles is total bullshit, I didn't even know what that meant back when you ripped me off. I cant believe you're just making shit up in a PM to me, its not like I am going to think that actually happened.

Your PM clearly shows your lack of professionalism, and I stand by all of my statements made earlier. You are a no balled fucking pussy Todd, karma is a bitch, once i have enough money for a lawyer consider yourself done you prick.

[glenn_7_1069]

LIKE I SAID A LITTLE WHILE AGO, "A business that is open to the public for the public, is the publics business!! " AND " RULE #1 ,you never ever ever pay for a job upfront before the job is even started. RULE#2, make shure the job is done right the first time before it even leaves the shop and before you pay the bill (($ )). And as for "desertfab", i have herd some bad things about them from other people on other forums. MAKE SHURE YOUR HAPPY WITH THE JOB BEFORE YOU PAY THE BILL. "

[desertfabmotorsports]

Todd sent me this PM about a week and a half ago:


"You fucking told to me to do that to the arms, because you did not want to rotate the knuckles.
You sure talk alot of shit behind a keyboard, You want to kick my ass then bring your big mouth down to the shop and we will see who kicks whos ass."


I did contact Todd, as stated earlier, about the radius arms. He made it very apparent that he wanted nothing to do with helping me fix my issues he had caused. So FUCK YOU TODD, stop lying about that, I did contact you, and i do not know how you have been in business for 10 years.

I did not tell you to cut up my radius arms, and when i first started this project, i had good basic fab skills, i didn't know much about axles or suspension yet. So you saying that I didnt want to rotate the knuckles is total bullshit, I didn't even know what that meant back when you ripped me off. I cant believe you're just making shit up in a PM to me, its not like I am going to think that actually happened.

Your PM clearly shows your lack of professionalism, and I stand by all of my statements made earlier. You are a no balled fucking pussy Todd, karma is a bitch, once i have enough money for a lawyer consider yourself done you prick.


OK
I will respond to this for everyone:

First off YOU DID TELL ME TO GRIND A NOTCH IN THE ARMS FOR CLEARANCE. The arms were never cut up!!
You were fine with that for 1.5 years untill YOU SOLD the arms to someone and did not tell them about the notch in the arms. YOU sold them for $500.00 and the guy wanted his money back. You then call me 1.5 years later and want me to pay $500.00 for something you sold!!:shaking:

[Arizona_Jeep]

Daummm you sway with the breeze....

I bet you belived the toll roads were going to happen huh :flipoff2:

Your fucking with me, they ain't going to happen?:flipoff2::laughing:

Yeah I sway a bit to much.:homer:

[lancetkenyon]

Just an honest question.....is it even SAFE to notch the radius arms? If not(which I feel is the case), whether the customer wants it or not, it is a huge liability to do so. I realize people hack stuff up all the time, but for a shop to do this is crazy. Frames can be plated, tubes bent, and sheet metal trimmed, but not a vital structural support, where failure could/would be catastrophic. I am in construction, and I have had people tell me to do stupid stuff, I tell them "No way!" as it is MY ass on the line if/when it fails.

[oc1paddler]

Just an honest question.....is it even SAFE to notch the radius arms? If not(which I feel is the case), whether the customer wants it or not, it is a huge liability to do so. I realize people hack stuff up all the time, but for a shop to do this is crazy. Frames can be plated, tubes bent, and sheet metal trimmed, but not a vital structural support, where failure could/would be catastrophic. I am in construction, and I have had people tell me to do stupid stuff, I tell them "No way!" as it is MY ass on the line if/when it fails.

I went back and looked at the first page pics and its hard to see what was done to the radius arms. I do know that I would never use a cast arm that had been cut or notched. A mild steel one you could possible clearance and reinforce but cast is quite tricky and you would never be sure that it was going to hold. What about the welds? Did those come out of DF? Who thought it would be ok to send a truck out with welds like that? Mistakes happen, and people should take it back if there is a problem but If someone fabbed something on my rig that was down rite scary would I take it back to the same person? The answer is no way! I would either try to get my money back or write it off as a mistake before I put my rig and my life back in to someone's hands who doesn't care.

[ChicagoDII]

OK
I will respond to this for everyone:

First off YOU DID TELL ME TO GRIND A NOTCH IN THE ARMS FOR CLEARANCE. The arms were never cut up!!
You were fine with that for 1.5 years untill YOU SOLD the arms to someone and did not tell them about the notch in the arms. YOU sold them for $500.00 and the guy wanted his money back. You then call me 1.5 years later and want me to pay $500.00 for something you sold!!:shaking:

So much for not responding? I see you continue to prove my point that you are an illiterate inbred redneck, this isnt about the radius arms you fucking dildo, tell the people of pirate why their trucks wont look like mine when leaving your shop, and why mine did look like that when it left. That is why I started this thread, not about the radius arms.

Todd, did you flunk high school math, or drop out all together? I dropped off my truck in September, and got it back sometime in November of 06. I called you about the radius arms in May 07. That would be 6 months, not 18 months. And yes, I did call you, and it was $300, not $500. Believe it or not, I didnt even know what you did was dangerous, thats why I didnt call you til I tried to sell them, and someone who knew more than me (and obviously more than you) told me how seriously dangerous your "trim" job was. There has not been a single bit of truth from your posts or out of your mouth. You are a lying fucking scumbag.

Since you are actually SLANDERING me, and I am only posting facts, lets continue with the slaughter. When I brought my truck to you, I was just getting into the whole wheeling thing. In the past I did the basic bolt on stuff, and I made my own bumpers (which were fabbed better than any of Todd's shit, and I was only 17 when I made them), and some other parts were on the truck too. Instead of upgrading the rover diffs and axles, which are shit, I chose to do a swap to FZJ80 axles, because of their strength and almost exact same dimensions as my rover axles. I went around to several local shops, and like I said before, Todd promised the quickest turn around, and lowest cost. Before this project, I didnt know dick about suspension geometry, building suspensions, or swapping axles. Todd told me that if I payed upfront it would get done faster. So being new to this stuff at the time, I did just that. I dont know if Todd honesly thinks that his work is ok, or if he just thought i was some college kid he could screw over because I didnt know much.

Just an honest question.....is it even SAFE to notch the radius arms? If not(which I feel is the case), whether the customer wants it or not, it is a huge liability to do so. I realize people hack stuff up all the time, but for a shop to do this is crazy. Frames can be plated, tubes bent, and sheet metal trimmed, but not a vital structural support, where failure could/would be catastrophic. I am in construction, and I have had people tell me to do stupid stuff, I tell them "No way!" as it is MY ass on the line if/when it fails.

Ya, it is a huge liability. Todd, you called me to say you cut into them to try to make the steering clear, but that didnt work, so you decided to just mount my tie rod below the knuckles. That was your phone call, not asking if you could. That isnt even the point though. If you have been in business for 10 years, and i am paying.... errr PAID you, why the hell should you be calling me to see if it is ok to cut up an I beam forged oem radius arm to make the steering clear. Wait, that was a lie, you didnt call to ask me that, you just did it. Its not like that makes a big difference, since you are mr. 10 year business success, shouldnt you know by now what is safe and what isnt safe to do to a daily driver that is in your shop? You shouldnt have done it in the first place, much less make up the BS about it being my decision. Even if that was true, if you are such a good... let me rephrase that... if you are even a half ass shitty fabricator who somehow is still in business, why didnt you realize what you were doing, and how dangerous it was?

Thats because youre a dumb fucking hick, and your only goal was to get my money and get my truck done in the least amount of time possible, over the longest period of time. Todd, I did ask you to fix alot of shit, but you made it clear you had no interest, or intention of doing so. Please stop lying about that.

Its pretty plain and simple that you fucked me over, and knew that you were doing it in the process. I encourage you to respond to this post again, shouldn't you be trying to defend yourself and your business? All that you have done so far is try to blame me for the radius arms, you have yet to address a single other issue with you or my truck that I have brought up. Todd, you dont have anything to say to me, your response should be to all of the potential customers who view this forum. Why does my truck look like this, and why are you ok with it?

[mongosd2]

Just my .02 cents, I think both of you guy's need to drop the bad ass, I'm gonna kick your ass on the internet and sort this shit out. Having seen this truck in person, the first comment to Don was "your going to bring this back to have them fix this, right" and that was about the work done in general, not the notch in the radius arms.

Just a couple statements:

Why if you told Don that he needed to cut and turn the knuckles, did you not follow up by making sure he understood that a notch in a cast radius arm is plain dangerous. That putting the tie rod under the axle, would put in a position where it would bang off speed bumps in a parking lot. This a 4x4 Off-Road shop right, not Jiffy Lube. 10 years of experience should have led to a better solution. Not a half ass, get it out of the shop one.

How about the rear spring perches? Seems to me a picture speaks a 1000 words, and that say's "I don't care, it's close enough, seeing how he already paid in advance"

How about the pan hard mount? Did you have a couple of pieces of scrap sitting on the floor and decide those we're good enough. Ever take the time to look up one of the 20 or 30 shops making brackets. Once again, say's you really didn't care about the job.

It's really funny that your bitchin' about the radius arm when the problem is the fabrication and installation overall on the axle swap. Just looks like you tried to rip off a college kid...and now are pissed off because he's calling you out on the shit ass work

[ChicagoDII]

It's really funny that your bitchin' about the radius arm when the problem is the fabrication and installation overall on the axle swap. Just looks like you tried to rip off a college kid...and now are pissed off because he's calling you out on the shit ass work

I'll give it to Todd, at least he must have payed some attention in school, he knows how to scapegoat around the real problem. Frank, your last sentence pretty much sums up this entire situation. This isnt really an argument Todd, everything speaks for itself. Any reply to this thread you make will be nothing more than the same old BS you've already written unless you actually admit to the truth. Now is that truth that you really do have the fab skills of a one armed kid in middle school shop class, or that you fucked me over. Its pretty plain and simple, so why cant you answer the original question? Why does my truck look like this?

Todd, you really need to address this issue. I happen to know a few PR reps inside MAXXIS who I'm sure would love to see this thread.

[Unklhuck]

Issues with DesertFab: It must be another co-inky-dink.

[ChicagoDII]

I forgot to mention this too, because Todd welded in my rear spring seats crooked, my coils have began to bow in the last year and a half, and no longer hold weight well. Oh well, whats another $400 to piss away? Thanks Todd.

[dieselcruiserhead]

Nothing to say other than looking at the pics, and that flat out looks like ass. It would scare me too...

[glenn_7_1069]

And i am going to say this again and again ! RULE #1 ,you never ever ever pay for a job upfront before the job is even started. RULE#2, make shure the job is done right the first time before it even leaves the shop and before you pay the bill (($ )). MAKE SHURE YOUR HAPPY WITH THE JOB BEFORE YOU PAY THE BILL. "!!!!!!!!!!!

[dieselcruiserhead]

We got the message dude... Also "SHURE" is spelled "SURE." Otherwise I think we all agree, sometimes you get F'd though and learning is half the battle. Again, those welds are attrocious... Looks like they do good work too, that is the worst part... Just slapped and cobbled together, no time or quality put into it at all, or at least doesn't look that way...

[Arizona_Jeep]

Okay I am back to the side I began on. Is it to late to call three on your side and get Todd ruined? Hell I would try whatever possible to ruin him. Hell post this on other forums. I been screwed over so many times I wouldn't know where to start, so now knowing how badly he fucked you, and than out right lieing about it(which I believed at first), I would say that fucking bastard (aka, Todd) should lose his business.
(I sway way the hell to much:homer:)

[Kyron]

Okay I am back to the side I began on.

I love you :flipoff2:


This is why starting with a Toyota is always best.....

[sting]

I know Todd and Dave and Mike. They have done a significant amount of work for me and it has all been of good quality. I guess that makes me biased in some sense.

I don't know all the facts of this issue and am not going to weigh in on the specifics. I am going to say that the hateful name-calling, the threats and general abuse of the English language on this thread are inappropriate. It may make someone feel better but it also makes it look like ASU puts out an inferior product which I KNOW is not true.

The Phoenix Metro area has some really good fab shops. There is also an increased amount of competition for a smaller pool of dollars due to the slowdown of the economy. Some folks on this thread are loyal to other shops and don't mind being hatchet men because they want their shop where they do business to be "the best". If you have good experiences recommend your fab shop. Don't try to innocently link to this thread and try to make a not so subtle point. Talking "trash" and "piling on" don't do anything good for anyone. I have found that different shops have different advantages and I use several. I am always looking for the best work at the best price.

If you feel so strongly about your truck. Be a man, drive it over to DF and go through each and every issue you have. Be courteous, be professional and ask them to fix it. If they don't, that is a legitimate complaint and you should see what recourse you have. Just stop the foul mouthed attacks and try to seek a solution.

[ChicagoDII]

I know Todd and Dave and Mike. They have done a significant amount of work for me and it has all been of good quality. I guess that makes me biased in some sense.

I don't know all the facts of this issue and am not going to weigh in on the specifics. I am going to say that the hateful name-calling, the threats and general abuse of the English language on this thread are inappropriate. It may make someone feel better but it also makes it look like ASU puts out an inferior product which I KNOW is not true.

The Phoenix Metro area has some really good fab shops. There is also an increased amount of competition for a smaller pool of dollars due to the slowdown of the economy. Some folks on this thread are loyal to other shops and don't mind being hatchet men because they want their shop where they do business to be "the best". If you have good experiences recommend your fab shop. Don't try to innocently link to this thread and try to make a not so subtle point. Talking "trash" and "piling on" don't do anything good for anyone. I have found that different shops have different advantages and I use several. I am always looking for the best work at the best price.

If you feel so strongly about your truck. Be a man, drive it over to DF and go through each and every issue you have. Be courteous, be professional and ask them to fix it. If they don't, that is a legitimate complaint and you should see what recourse you have. Just stop the foul mouthed attacks and try to seek a solution.

Sting,

If you were to look through all of the threads I have written on here, and all of the threads I've written on various other Land Rover forums, it would be very apparent that the language and manner in which this thread is written does not at all reflect how I handle and represent myself on forums, or in real life.

When I called Todd about the radius arms, and when i asked him to fix my lower shock mounts, he CHOSE TO REPRESENT HIMSELF in the same fashion as my thread is written towards him. I am a law student, and not an idiot at all, I'm actually transfering from ASU to Northwestern. Todd has shown to me that he IS a violent, angry, and dumb hick. He first chose to use vulgar language with me, along with a complete lack of professionalism. I always help promote venders who I feel have given me a good deal, helped me out, or have done good work. From those type of venders I have come to expect and receive a certain level of professionalism. Once Todd got my money, the professionalism went out the window, and once I tried to bring up issues, thats when the incoherent banter started coming out of his mouth.

If Todd had decided to fuck me over, and be at least a bit professional about it, this thread would have been written much differently. Todd however has made it pretty clear to me that he is a dirt bag hick, so thats how I'm going to treat him and communicate to him on a forum. You say go back to Dfab and act courteous and professional, but that is how I handled myself the whole time he had my truck, and even when I mentioned issues, I learned that with Todd, no matter how I handled myself I got his bullshit attitude in return.


As I said before, going back to Dfab wont do any good. Todd does not want to fix any of this, nor do i trust him with the task of doing the work, and even if he offered I would no longer trust him with my vehicle. I started this thread to warn others to stay away from him and his shop. All I want out of Todd is justify his work, and he cant. I know that I'll never buy another Maxxis product.

[sting]

Sting,

If you were to look through all of the threads I have written on here, and all of the threads I've written on various other Land Rover forums, it would be very apparent that the language and manner in which this thread is written does not at all reflect how I handle and represent myself on forums, or in real life.

When I called Todd about the radius arms, and when i asked him to fix my lower shock mounts, he CHOSE TO REPRESENT HIMSELF in the same fashion as my thread is written towards him. I am a law student, and not an idiot at all, I'm actually transfering from ASU to Northwestern. Todd has shown to me that he IS a violent, angry, and dumb hick. He first chose to use vulgar language with me, along with a complete lack of professionalism. I always help promote venders who I feel have given me a good deal, helped me out, or have done good work. From those type of venders I have come to expect and receive a certain level of professionalism. Once Todd got my money, the professionalism went out the window, and once I tried to bring up issues, thats when the incoherent banter started coming out of his mouth.

If Todd had decided to fuck me over, and be at least a bit professional about it, this thread would have been written much differently. Todd however has made it pretty clear to me that he is a dirt bag hick, so thats how I'm going to treat him and communicate to him on a forum. You say go back to Dfab and act courteous and professional, but that is how I handled myself the whole time he had my truck, and even when I mentioned issues, I learned that with Todd, no matter how I handled myself I got his bullshit attitude in return.


As I said before, going back to Dfab wont do any good. Todd does not want to fix any of this, nor do i trust him with the task of doing the work, and even if he offered I would no longer trust him with my vehicle. I started this thread to warn others to stay away from him and his shop. All I want out of Todd is justify his work, and he cant. I know that I'll never buy another Maxxis product.

I am not the person to conduct a lecture on customer relations but as a law student you understand that you must ALWAYS be dispassionate in an argument. Don't let anyone goad you into an emotional outburst or you begin to lose credibility. That is just my 2 cents.

I do hope you get your LR fixed correctly and to your satisfaction. DF has done good work for me and many others making this an anomaly of sorts.

BTW, Northwestern Law is a good choice, even if I did go to Purdue! :eek:

Good Luck!

[ElLizard]

Just stop the foul mouthed attacks and try to seek a solution.

WOW!:confused: You do know your on PBB right?:homer: Pics of your great fab work from the fucktards @ DF or GTFO!:flipoff2: From the pics that ChicagoDII posted up, and since you registered on PBB just to add your .2 cents, Lets see the pics of the fab he did for you and we'll compare the work.:stirthepot: I have not seen 1 picture on PBB of nice work by these guys, Right now DF doesn't have a leg to stand on going by the few threads/pics here by his dissgruntled costomers. I personally would never do business with this guy just cause he sounds like an ass! Anyone who would notch radius arms does not need to be in the business if they are going to throw safety out the window. And then to come on here and make the responses he did without offering to rework his fucked up fab work is just downright disgusting! If his 10 years of business has been putting fab work out like the photos we've seen on PBB, I feel sorry for all the people that have paid DF, and I feel sorry for the dumbasses who think they have received and I am qouting you here... "a significant amount of work for me and it has all been of good quality"
If it is good quality work, PROVE IT! or STFU! I hope your welds are better than the ones in pics on DFMs website



And i am going to say this again and again ! RULE #1 ,you never ever ever pay for a job upfront before the job is even started. RULE#2, make shure the job is done right the first time before it even leaves the shop and before you pay the bill (($ )). MAKE SHURE YOUR HAPPY WITH THE JOB BEFORE YOU PAY THE BILL. "!!!!!!!!!!!

Glenn! :homer:You sound like a broken fuckin record! :homer:What you thought everyone overlooked your other 2 fuckin posts?:shaking::homer::flipoff2:




Here are pics off of the DFMS' (http://www.desertfab.com/2005buggy.htm) website. I'm not impressed at all with the welds. My 13 y.o. nephew can do a better job.

[motomech]

Todd said go down to DF and kick his ass,,,so at least go down there and talk shit about his stuff in person.I mean be a man about it this keyboard tuff guy stuff is getting sad!Forget all the lawyer stuff settle it like men!

[ChicagoDII]

Todd said go down to DF and kick his ass,,,so at least go down there and talk shit about his stuff in person.I mean be a man about it this keyboard tuff guy stuff is getting sad!Forget all the lawyer stuff settle it like men!


How come all of these random newbies keep coming on here to defend Todd, and try to get me to go over to his shop.

I have no need to go over to DF, I want my question answered on here first.

[motomech]

Look i dont know you or todd.....and the welds do look like shit...crying like a little baby on pirate is not going to help anything....so in my opinion you should be a big boy and go to DF or stop posting about this subject.Pirate is not going to help you with your problems.

[ElLizard]

How come all of these random newbies keep coming on here to defend Todd, and try to get me to go over to his shop.

You know it's not random newbs! Its him, his employees or his groupies from other boards he is associated with. Trash doesn't fall far from the can unless the wind blows it around. Guess where all the random newbies keep blowing in from.

Look i dont know you or todd.....and the welds do look like shit...crying like a little baby on pirate is not going to help anything....so in my opinion you should be a big boy and go to DF or stop posting about this subject.Pirate is not going to help you with your problems.

Yeah! OK! You don't know him!:shaking: And yes his welds do look like shit, We're all glad you noticed.:flipoff2: He has not been crying in this thread. He has simply made a case and it's a good 1. He has not asked PBB or anyone on this board for help in his cause so STFU! Todds pictures from his own website speak enough truth for themselves. ChicagoDII keep on doin what your doin! You have every right to post this on any board, esp the ones DFM is involved or associated with. You got fawked!

And to your statement Mr. motomech, "Pirate is not going to help you with your problems". Pirate has helped him by getting this out to the publics eyes! Thats all the help he needs from PBB! So in my opinion you should act like a big boy and go be an idiot somewhere else. If you don't want to read all his crying go read something else. I am pretty sure if the owners or admin of PBB had a problem with this thread they would chime in and say something just like they did in the other Beware of DFM, they fawked me thread! http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=659371

[glenn_7_1069]

lol, i like that saying neil " Trash doesn't fall far from the can unless the wind blows it around".:smokin::laughing::laughing:

[InstaGator]

Alright after a quick skim (yeah I'm making assumptions) I have to say, that it looks like crap. Did I see those pics correctly? Does the trackbar mount on the from passenger side frame rail to the driver side of the axle? You had full coverage on a highly modded rig? Nice waist of money there. It could have been a super claen job and you probably still would have been dropped. Did you research the shop before you had them do the work? Did you see other swaps they had done previously? You may not admit it, but I bet if you did any research you went with the cheapest guy who just agreed with everything you said. (typical know it all college kid) Then they did exactly what you said and now look at ya! Which brings me to the shop, that is a crap job. Even if you just did as your customer requested, you should have refused te job altogether. If you know what your doing, don't be afraid to tell the customer they are wrong. If they go somewhere else, then your name is not placed on such a piece. Here is something I have learned about parts and workmanship: Just because the parts list is impressive, does not mean it was built right!

[lancetkenyon]

I know that I'll never buy another Maxxis product.

What does Maxxis have to do with any of this??? :confused:

[Kyron]

What does Maxxis have to do with any of this??? :confused:

Well ........... duh :shaking:

[lancetkenyon]

Well ........... duh :shaking:

Thanks for clearing that up........:rolleyes:

[ChicagoDII]

What does Maxxis have to do with any of this??? :confused:

Maxxis is a sponsor of Desertfab. Why would I purchase from a manufacturer that supports someone like Todd.

[fuggy]

Maxxis is a sponsor of Desertfab. Why would I purchase from a manufacturer that supports someone like Todd.

This is an ignorant statement. Just because a tire company might be affiliated with someone doesn't mean they have the same biz practices....

Make your beef with DF, but don't take down others that didn't have anything to do with you.

[ChicagoDII]

This is an ingnorant statement. Just because a tire company might be affiliated with someone doesn't mean they have the same biz practices....

Make your beef with DF, but don't take down others that didn't have anything to do with you.

Im not trying to take down maxxis, nor is my statement intended to. They make a quality product, but they support a total scumbag, therefore I wont buy their products.

[Mobley]

I just wish you would quit calling him a hick, I have a few friends who are hicks, and they wouldn't like being grouped in with the likes of todd

[Kyron]

Thanks for clearing that up........:rolleyes:



See it makes sence now...... right :laughing:

[el ranger loco]

Im not trying to take down maxxis, nor is my statement intended to. They make a quality product, but they support a total scumbag, therefore I wont buy their products.
You might have gotten screwed, but from most of your posts, it seems like you might be the kinda guy that deserves it. Lighten up man, dont be such a dick about everything.

[lancetkenyon]

Maxxis is a sponsor of Desertfab. Why would I purchase from a manufacturer that supports someone like Todd.

Well shit, I guess you might as well write off a bunch of other companies too. Like Yukon Gear, Beard seats, Big Horn shocks, Walker Evans wheels, PSC steering components, Reid Racing, Crawl Magazine, Detroit Lockers, ARB, EMPI..............I hope you did not just realize what a dumbass statement you just made. :shaking:

[djtodd_1]

omg please....... if desert fab had any wish to fix the shit they did they would have responded to all the guys on here to fix it.. kinda like they did to the (1) guy that posted his pics of the seats that todd put in... funny how they called him right away but no one else... hmm seem like when i talk to todd about fixing my shit that he did he told me there was no other way... but funny how its fixed right now, oh there was the one time he told (me) how to fix his mistake. but never once did he say bring it back in let me look at it. let me put it to everyone like this.. if you want some bolted on shit take it to desert fab.. but if you want extensive fab work or a buggy made, do not go there.

[Thump]

omg please....... if desert fab had any wish to fix the shit they did they would have responded to all the guys on here to fix it.. kinda like they did to the (1) guy that posted his pics of the seats that todd put in... funny how they called him right away but no one else... hmm seem like when i talk to todd about fixing my shit that he did he told me there was no other way... but funny how its fixed right now, oh there was the one time he told (me) how to fix his mistake. but never once did he say bring it back in let me look at it. let me put it to everyone like this.. if you want some bolted on shit take it to desert fab.. but if you want extensive fab work or a buggy made, do not go there.

I can't speak to your complaint here, but can kind of understand how things might have gone down.

As for responses from Todd, he's already said why he doesn't respond in the forums. Those folks that want to drag DF through the mud without even a call to discuss prior are not the type of customers any shop would want.

I'm done in here, I gotta go fight identity theft now.

[georgia]

Just some observations. I know of Todd and I know Dave, who work for Todd.

1. The quality of the work looks like shit. I agree. Their fault.
2. You paid for it and left...bottom line, you accepted it as it was delivered. I don't care if you couldn't wait any longer or you had to have something to drive...if it was life endangering, then you should never have left the shop..but...you did. Your Fault.
3. Earlier in the thread you stated you were selling your arms for $375. Then Todd said $500...then you responded with $300... So, I ask...which one is it? I think there are some "innaccuracies" in this thread from both parties. Both of your faults.
4. You've waited how long to post this thread? Did you contact Todd in a proffessional matter? Of course, going back to number one, you'd never have to contact Todd if you never took it in the first place.
5. Your insurance company is no different than most. I agree. However, did you know that most insurance companies technically won't cover a non OEM axle swap? Also, you never mentioned (or I didn't read it) Was your accident caused by or directly related to the axle swap? Also, I'd be willing to bet that unless the accident was caused by your axle swap, the adjuster never even noticed that the axles were swapped.... Unless you pointed it out....

So, I'm not taking either side, and honestly I could give a shit less. I fab 90% of my own stuff, so it doesn't matter. I get so tired of seeing these threads when there are so many other mature ways to deal with it.... I've got no problems with folks expressing opinions and information...thats what forums are for, but the stupid bullshit should stop. Like I said, I've never met Todd, but judging by the way you come across on this thread (a jackass), I'm betting that's how you were when you contacted him... So, if he is anything like me, he responded the same way. But like I said...back to number 1... should never have left his shop...

How do you explain that one?

[Thump]

Well said, Georgia. Thank you for injecting some common sense and maturity into this thread.

[lancetkenyon]

Well said, Georgia. Thank you for injecting some common sense and maturity into this thread.

What about your part? And if you just left this thread alone, it would have died a peaceful death, but you brought it back. Ever see the horror movies, where you think the zombies are dead, then someone lights the black candle of doom, and they come back? You just lit the candle. Again.:mad3:

[Antman]

What about your part? And if you just left this thread alone, it would have died a peaceful death, but you brought it back. Ever see the horror movies, where you think the zombies are dead, then someone lights the black candle of doom, and they come back? You just lit the candle. Again.:mad3:

Geez Spidy, why don't you :stirthepot: This looks like a case for .....Instigator! :lmao: BTW I stay away from DF myself........:flipoff2:

[lancetkenyon]

Geez Spidy, why don't you :stirthepot: This looks like a case for .....Instigator! :lmao: BTW I stay away from DF myself........:flipoff2:

:laughing: Thanks Ant!

[ChicagoDII]

Giving this a bump!

If anyone is an AZ and has some rope and a can of gas handy, please go over to DesertFab, tie Todd to a tree and light that fucker on FIRE! :mad3:

[georgia]

Giving this a bump!

If anyone is an AZ and has some rope and a can of gas handy, please go over to DesertFab, tie Todd to a tree and light that fucker on FIRE! :mad3:

Ya know, I don't know what your fucking problem is... Are you sure that you're a man? Does this shit make you feel better about yourself? Getting laid has the same effect you know, but then again, you probably couldn't get a date in a whorehouse with a fistful of $20s. Hell, I bet even your right hand turns you down. I bet that you have a face that only a mother could love, and even she probably hates it. I've seen people as fugly as you before, but I always had to pay admission.

I think you should go down and settle this with Todd in person instead of continually talking SHIT and THREATENING a vendor of this forum. I could give a shit less what happened with your piece of shit buggy and what Todd did or didn't do...Bottom line is this, I've personally seen products come out of that shop that are top notch. If his shit is so wrong, why don't you build a fucking shop and start producing shit yourself...oh that's right, you have to have everything fabbed for you... (been reading your old posts)

If you've got your fucking panties in a wad, why don't you go down to Todd and sort this out in person.

In the mean time, I'd tell you to go fuck yourself and the horse you rode in on, but guessing that you've got a stupid grin on your face, I'd say you already have. You are nothing more than the juice squeezed from an old whore's soiled Tampon. If you had any sense of decency, you'd juggle chainsaws while drunk, you pussy-whipped panty fetishist.

:Rant Off: I'm done.

[lancetkenyon]

Ya know, I don't know what your fucking problem is... Are you sure that you're a man? Does this shit make you feel better about yourself? Getting laid has the same effect you know, but then again, you probably couldn't get a date in a whorehouse with a fistful of $20s. Hell, I bet even your right hand turns you down. I bet that you have a face that only a mother could love, and even she probably hates it. I've seen people as fugly as you before, but I always had to pay admission.

I think you should go down and settle this with Todd in person instead of continually talking SHIT and THREATENING a vendor of this forum. I could give a shit less what happened with your piece of shit buggy and what Todd did or didn't do...Bottom line is this, I've personally seen products come out of that shop that are top notch. If his shit is so wrong, why don't you build a fucking shop and start producing shit yourself...oh that's right, you have to have everything fabbed for you... (been reading your old posts)

If you've got your fucking panties in a wad, why don't you go down to Todd and sort this out in person.

In the mean time, I'd tell you to go fuck yourself and the horse you rode in on, but guessing that you've got a stupid grin on your face, I'd say you already have. You are nothing more than the juice squeezed from an old whore's soiled Tampon. If you had any sense of decency, you'd juggle chainsaws while drunk, you pussy-whipped panty fetishist.

:Rant Off: I'm done.

Come on! Do not hold back! Tell us how you really feel!:laughing:

[georgia]

Come on! Do not hold back! Tell us how you really feel!:laughing:

Sorry about that...end of a long hard day, and I am just tired of this puke's fucking bullshit posts...its done, its over...let it fucking go...show's how fucking mature this fucktard really is...

Oh, and BTW, I did hold back... :eek:, but I'm really trying to keep up with the "instigator"

[lancetkenyon]

Sorry about that...end of a long hard day, and I am just tired of this puke's fucking bullshit posts...its done, its over...let it fucking go...show's how fucking mature this fucktard really is...

Oh, and BTW, I did hold back... :eek:, but I'm really trying to keep up with the "instigator"

:smokin:

[ErichB]

Just an honest question.....is it even SAFE to notch the radius arms? If not(which I feel is the case), whether the customer wants it or not, it is a huge liability to do so. I realize people hack stuff up all the time, but for a shop to do this is crazy. Frames can be plated, tubes bent, and sheet metal trimmed, but not a vital structural support, where failure could/would be catastrophic. I am in construction, and I have had people tell me to do stupid stuff, I tell them "No way!" as it is MY ass on the line if/when it fails.

I agree with Lance 100%. Ive been an Electrician for 16 years, and quite often get asked to do something that was against code or potentially dangerous. I always have the same answer, NO.