Here I am thinkign of putting Yota axles in my Sami, and maybe dual Toy t-cases. and maybe Toyota power steering.
Since all I keep seeing is Toyota, Toyota, Toyota. I'm thinking.....

Why should I even bother to build a Sami? Why not just buy a Toyota, add one gearbox, and save myself quite a bit of work.
What's the advantage to Toy parts in a Sami vs a built Toy truck? weight perhaps? wouldn't it be easier to put the Sami body on the Toy frame? could the Toy frame be that much heavier?

This ought to stir some thought.

Sammy has a lot less weight, narrower body, and when we make something look easy, it pisses off the Jeep geeks even more than the Toyotas that make them look stupid. Plus with the smaller size, you can get away with cheaper parts (33's and 35's are cheaper than 37's & 40's, Lockrights are cheaper than Full Detroits and ARB's, to mention a few.) Plus you get to hang out here with the kewl Sammy dudes...and try & keep up with fatkid. If you had a Toy, you'd have to keep up with Bundrandt, and you cant afford it! (no offense Fatkid..)

so what if I just throw a Sami body on top of a toy frame. Anyone done this? I'll agree with the cheaper tires idea, but considering too cheap to spend $200 on a lockright it doesn't matter anyway, maybe one extra 6011 rod to Lincoln Lock it.
I think the Sami body on Toy might save $$$. No need for a 1.6L (22RE is better). No Divorced Toy case adapter. etc.

I like my Zuk, the power plant is nice and dependable. Not to mention the shorter wheel base works well and the rig is light (2340lbs). The Zuks are what they are, make a choice and go from there.:)

we do it because we can!!!! :flipoff2: :flipoff2:
light weight, narrow body and frame, short wheelbase, cheap parts, cheap vehicles, hell the list goes on and on. its also a plus when you can take a zook on 31's and have an easier time in the rocks than some jeeps and yotas on 35's :smokin:

if anything, a Zuk or a Toy would be great choice. Both make awsome trail rigs/daily drivers, however Zuks with Toy parts just plain get it!!!!:flipoff2:

it seems the careful observer would notice that to make a Toyota "work" in the same league as a suzi with toy parts

you need a toy with wagoneer and chevy parts....... :rolleyes::D

to make a Toyota "work" in the same league as a suzi with toy parts

Yep!

Plus ever try and put two adults and two kids in a toy pick up??? Sure you could fit em in a Runner, but then there's all that sheetmetal....

Originally posted by SamuraiChris
so what if I just throw a Sami body on top of a toy frame.

The Toy frames suck, like a cj frame, rust rust rust, cant beat the zook frame :flipoff2:

Originally posted by scwafish

Plus ever try and put two adults and two kids in a toy pick up??? Sure you could fit em in a Runner, but then there's all that sheetmetal....

Thats exactly the reason I just sold my 87 Xcab. It worked awesome, but had no room for the kids, they always ended up riding in my buddys Jeep or Cruiser. I had to have the back seat without all the extra damage potential, that left a Sammy or a Flattie, and dollar for dollar, you cant beat a Samurai. I'm keeping my SWB and selling an 87 LWB because I now have a trailer and tow rig, but if I had to drive it daily, a LWB would be my first choice.

because I already have a samurai :flipoff2: Seriously though, I don't know of any other vehicle (in the category) with more natural offroad ability. My (essentially) stock sami, with 1" of shackle lift (but flat springs) made it further in a mudpit with 30" AT's than a scrambler with 33" MT's and a more experienced driver. I did a whole trail of rocks here, despite being told at the start of the run that I would have to get out and ride along to survive (yet again, smallest tires, 30" vs 33"). All this from a complete newb driver. Samurais just work. I don't know the scientific reason, but they just seem to be perfectly suited to the abuse we put them through.

Chris -

Let me know if that part is still availible. I don't wanna sell mine and have you say you don't wanna sell it anymore. Then I'll be stuck with a core charge. Please PM me as soon as possible with an answer.
In answer to your question, it seems you get past a point in building a zuk where the only thing left being zuk is maybe an x-fer. Also toy running gear on a zuk is bullet proof, the zooks lightweight and lack of power are all why yota gear rocks in a zook. Like someone said you would have to step up to some major parts on a yota to make it keep up with a zuk.

This is too ironic:eek: I had a no brainer day at work today so I ended up spending most of the day thinking about Zooks & Yotas. I used to have Yota that I wheeled & beat the piss out of every day. I LOVED it! It had a gazillion miles on it & ran like a top. BUT all things must change, I got married & adopted a daughter so the Yota got sold & somehow ended up with my first Zook. NOW back to today's brainstorms. I just bought a whole 84 Toyota for $150. :eek: The cab & frame is rusted BAD but the motor & drivetrain is mint & it's lifted already. So, I've also got a spare Yota t-case in my yard, 3 parts Zooks, one I wheel on 33's, & a mint stocker. I'm thinking of either trying to fix the Yota frame OR stretch a Zook frame out longer, mount a Zook tin top body onto it, THEN cut the rear section off a soft top & since the body lines are the same, meld it into the back of the tin top cab to make like a little truck bed to fill in that extra space. :D
OR cut the back of one of the spare tintops & meld that on for a Samurai/XL-7/Yota:smokin:

Originally posted by schuss
...........I don't know of any other vehicle (in the category) with more natural offroad ability..

sorry a toy truck beats it hands down:flipoff2: I'm still impressed with toys every trip out. I'm keeping my toy-zuk-let and the 35"s are too small, so I don't see where the guy gets that "you can use a smaller tire" bs:confused: I'm reversing my rear toys to gain 5"s of wheelbase to 89" and I can use a stock 84-85 front shaft in the rear now. Later it's going to 4 link, areostat coils and 103" or so, then it will wheel. also going welded gront with the hydro steer, broke a birf this weekend open ....1st break of a birf ever for me in 5 years, 4 of those in a 83 mini locked:D

Why not indeed. Neither rig is the "best". Run what you wanna run. Most folks on this board seem to prefer zuk's If I remember correctly there's a similar place for people who like to run Toys. Kinda a retorical question, ain't it?

I also own a 85 Toy. I am building up
the zuk/toy why
1) Weight
2) Wheel Base
3) Width

All of these factors are important to me.
If you are not climbing rocks so large the the short wheel base is a killer the samurai works great in narrow areas.

Originally posted by SeaBass44


sorry a toy truck beats it hands down:flipoff2: I'm still impressed with toys every trip out. I'm keeping my toy-zuk-let and the 35"s are too small, so I don't see where the guy gets that "you can use a smaller tire" bs:confused: I'm reversing my rear toys to gain 5"s of wheelbase to 89" and I can use a stock 84-85 front shaft in the rear now. Later it's going to 4 link, areostat coils and 103" or so, then it will wheel. also going welded gront with the hydro steer, broke a birf this weekend open ....1st break of a birf ever for me in 5 years, 4 of those in a 83 mini locked:D

For the stuff in AZ I have had great success with tires rougly 5" smaller in dia. than the normal tire on the Toys I run around with. Most of the guys run 38's, 38.5's and 39.5's. The big rage down here is turning the toys into a buggy, which usually involves cutting the body away to the point where the Toy is as narrow as a Zuk :p A couple advantages the Toy has (off the top of my head) is the wheelbase, the ability to get super low gears for not a lot of money, tons of storage room for spares, and a stout drivetrain (stock). Zuk's light weight allows you to keep Toy axles/D44's alive almost forever ( although with a V6 I think you need Longfields IMO), they are already narrow, reliable drivetrain, cheap, did I mention they weigh next to nothing (huge advantage). Actually if you really want to put people to shame, throw some full width D44's under a Zuk. It was amazing where Shadowzuk was able to drive his without a front locker :eek: I have yet to see a Toy flexy enough to plant their tire as high as he could. Anyone who wants to try is welcome to head out to Jawbreaker with me when it's open, I'll show you where Chris went and you can see if you don't tip :D I might be able to follow his line now that I have no weight up top, but the track width he had was killer.

Oh, regardless I'd happily drive either one.....

Nobody has mentioned the Real reason you'd build a Samurai over a Toyota:

'cause you can take the windshield off & on :D

the bottom line: OEM just doesn't cut it for some people for whellin.
Some Guys with samis use toyota axles, Guys with Toyotas don't. They upgrade to something else. Thats what this is all about, makin your rig stronger and better. So to answer your question about why not just buy a toyota, cause you won't be happy with that either. Such is the nature of the 4WD Beast.

I wheel with stock sami axles, and they are just fine.

I have only seen one Toy down here on something other than stock axles, he's the one that broke on Asylum :eek: Everyone else had superbirfs.....

Personally my reasoning behind it is the money. I don't have all that much money into my zuki and it does quite well. Alot of people around here run toy's, and they have to dump alot more cash into there rigs to make them work as well. Also, around here, toy parts are VERY expensive and getting harder to run across, as to where zuki parts are not that bad.

And most importantly, women think they look cuter then toys :)

Originally posted by Destroyer Dychen
Personally my reasoning behind it is the money. I don't have all that much money into my zuki and it does quite well. Alot of people around here run toy's, and they have to dump alot more cash into there rigs to make them work as well. Also, around here, toy parts are VERY expensive and getting harder to run across, as to where zuki parts are not that bad.

And most importantly, women think they look cuter then toys :)

????????? are you talking about?????????

I can grab a toy cheap, throw some 33"s on it and outwheel a like zuk, and I can get all the toy parts I want around here cheap...just look in the 4sale section here. they are not "VERY expensive" not at all

Originally posted by SeaBass44


????????? are you talking about?????????

I can grab a toy cheap, throw some 33"s on it and outwheel a like zuk, and I can get all the toy parts I want around here cheap...just look in the 4sale section here. they are not "VERY expensive" not at all

The better question would be what are you talking about? I could put some 235's on and go anywhere a yota on 33's can go. But lets not turn this into a yota v zuk thread

Am I the only one still running Suzuki axles on my Suzuki? Well, you guys can send me your old 'zuki axles, I need spares! [knocking on wood] I haven't broke one this year, but I've only been wheelin' two times!

Originally posted by Shawn_C


The better question would be what are you talking about? I could put some 235's on and go anywhere a yota on 33's can go. But lets not turn this into a yota v zuk thread

com awn!

I'm running stock axles for the time being. The other thing i like about zuki's over toys is the amount of passanger room. My brother has an 83 and its not the most comfortable thing, its down right crammed if ya ask me.

After working at the local wrecking yard and seeing how much toy stuff went for compared to zuki. Thats why i was saying the whole cost thing

Ok sorry to bring back this thread, but I find this kind of interesting. Has anyone swapped a zook body on a toy frame? Then you'd get advantages of both. Toy running gear and wheelbase (short wheelbase is 100" I think?), and you'd have the smaller body of the zook with more interior room. My 82 toy is cramped, and I'm thinkin if I roll the thing swappin a zook tub on it might be pretty tight...

Originally posted by SeaBass44


????????? are you talking about?????????

I can grab a toy cheap, throw some 33"s on it and outwheel a like zuk, and I can get all the toy parts I want around here cheap...just look in the 4sale section here. they are not "VERY expensive" not at all

Where i live there are lots of yotas and I have never seen one on 33"s that could outwheel any zuk here on 33"s. I dont know though might be just the type of trails we run over here. :D

Where I live, here in the Detroit area, I am a serious loner on the trails. You dont see many imports wheeling here (i wonder why:rolleyes: ). I had the choice of anything that I wanted to get when I decided to get back into wheeling, I ran Bronco II's, CJ-7's, YJ's, and Rangers. I chose a Zuk for my next one. I had to goto Arizona to get one I was willing to put the cash up for, but have not been dissapointed yet with it. I have taken it where the other rigs I owned would never even think about, burried it in mud holes that went over the hood(and the engine was still running afterward) and put it on top of rocks that the guys here in the club said couldn't be climbed by that short a wheel base.

I would guess its about what oyu want to get into. I chose a zuk for thier abilities, the cost of building and maintaining them, and thier size. I can run down tight ATV trails in the woods around here, and hardly break a sweat. so it suits my purposes fine, not to mention I had a blast in Moab with it this summer. It has never failed me mechanically. what more can you ask for? :D

In short: Get what you want and can afford that fits your local needs.
But most importantly: Wheel and have fun!! :D

Originally posted by Islandzuki


Where i live there are lots of yotas and I have never seen one on 33"s that could outwheel any zuk here on 33"s. I dont know though might be just the type of trails we run over here. :D

you got one thing right....you don't know :)

last but not least you'd have to change your name............:D

Hah, funny to see this back up here.... I actually still haven't decided on this..... I've got a bunch of Toy parts, crawler t-cases and axles and at the point now where I either have to shell out another grand in parts and adapters to use the Toy running gear behind my 1.3L. Or just go with a Toy and need no extra parts or $$. I can pay for the cost of the Yota by parting out my Sami, this is already done except for the motor.
What I am leaning towards now is buying a Toy to assemble and run my drivetrain in for a little while, that way I can have fun on the trails right now rather than 3 months from now. and then slowly prep my Samurai frame to accept ALL the Toy parts (22RE,w-56, dual cases, Toy axles)
can't beat 10.7: 1 in the t-case for less than $700...
Main reason to not just stick with a Toy in my area is cuz all of the frames rot out bad. If I were in Cali where frame rot probably isn't a concern, then by all means, go with a Toy.

both vehicles wheel farely well. as for a rig that i would wheel.
I would definetly start with the zuk. I have a 88 zuk just
bought about three months ago.. really pisses me off how much
better it wheels in stock config compared to my 83 toy or
my 95 wrangler. especially when you think of the purchase
price
1... 500.00 sammie
2... 2500.00 toy
3... 10000.00 jeep that dont wheel worth a shit.

the sammie does better than the toy and the toy has 33's
and a four inch lift
cant keep up with the jeep yet but look how much i have
into that pig
if i had to do it from the start again definetly zuk.
most bang for the buck

On the other hand i can get more pussy pushing my
jeep than driving the samie or toy..

I always wanted a jeep.
Through all my experiences with trucks I learned more and more about Zuks and jeeps. At first, I could only afford one vehicle and it has to be a truck (firewood, ATV, dead deer, building materials, etc.). I was wanting something to wheel. I had ordered a lockright for my F-150, and asked “So, what does the $159 lock right fit”. The more I looked, the more I was amazed at how much cheaper it was to build a Zuk than a jeep.

Lock rights $160
4:1 transfer case gears $450
Spring over lift $50 (weld on pads)
Brake lines $50
31x10.50 <$400
15x8 American Racing Rims (free – there on the F-150)

I looked around my area and all Zuks were rust buckets or over priced (they real popular with coon hunters because the can go down ATV paths).
I found three to look at in one weekend in the Lexington KY/ Cincinnati OH area.
I bought the second one I looked at for $1900. It was cherry, never been off road, had plenty of power, 94K miles, very little rust, the only thing that had any sign of wear was front seat. It was like buying a new one.

Bottom line is $3170 for a good solid trail rig, I was still skeptical about the go ability until I got used to the wheel-base and width, and learned how to drive it. Now when I go out, I always hear someone saying “Man, those Zuks can go”.

Since then I’ve torn off all the plastic, bumpers, rolled it, custom bumpers, cj springs in the rear with missing links ($170 after buying used springs and bushings).
My near future mods are cage, cross over steering, rear springs up-front, toy IFS power steering.

Later mods will be toy axles and 33s.

To me the Zuk is all about economy. You can’t take a toy or anything else and add $1300 worth of mods and have rig as capable.
If money is no object – build what you want.

Hey Seabass, Do you want to sell yours, sounds like your all about toys anyway.

On the other hand i can get more pussy pushing my
jeep than driving the samie or toy.. [/B]

WTH is a samie?:rasta:

My buddies and I had this same discussion.

We concluded the following:

Zuk was factory equipped with a fat chick eliminator kit (they won’t fit).
No self respecting woman would be caught dead riding in my ghetto/redneck rig.
So that leaves only one option – Skinny sluts.:D

I told my wife this while we were riding down the road in the Zuk, she grinned and said “I’m not skinny” :flipoff2:

flame suit on

Shoot even my IFS Sidekick does well on 31" tires. I dumped my 84 Toy when I got the Kick - and I was NOT impressed with the wimpy 22R in that dog. Heading down the trail behind my friends TJ, I think "damn that thing is WIDE".

After a day of wheeling, we went to air up.

Elaine: You wanna drive my TJ?
Me: Nope. You wanna drive my Sidekick?
Elaine: Hell yeah.

So we swapped. Driving that TJ was like driving an aircraft carrier! It's HUGE compared to the Kick!

Originally posted by SilverZuk


Hey Seabass, Do you want to sell yours, sounds like your all about toys anyway.

Well it's in the 4sale section:D and the only zuk part is the cab and steering colom:D I cut off the rear half of the cab, floor is custom too, frame is custom, 4.3L sm420 dual toy cases, toy axles...custom tank. ect....nothing wrong with zuks, I just dissagree that they are any more capable in like form. don't agree? No big deal, say anything and 50% of the people with dissagree with you:D

Originally posted by SilverZuk


My buddies and I had this same discussion.

We concluded the following:

Zuk was factory equipped with a fat chick eliminator kit (they won’t fit).
No self respecting woman would be caught dead riding in my ghetto/redneck rig.
So that leaves only one option – Skinny sluts.:D

I told my wife this while we were riding down the road in the Zuk, she grinned and said “I’m not skinny” :flipoff2:

Fawk that's funny! I've got to show that to my wife.

If you just went with a toy you would be asking the same question about chevys. I own a 77 FJ-40 and end up putting all chevy junk on it. If you have a Suzuki put Toyota junk on, If you have a Toyota put Chevy junk on, if you have a Chevy your screwed. It is just the way the world works.

Ok I've heard frame rot come up a couple times in this thread. So why would a toy frame rot more than a zuk frame? It seems that some people are saying toy frames are bad cause they rust. Don't all frames under the same conditions rust?

well,i am a long time toy owner,before that it was jeeps,and i am very impressed with a sammi in stock form.it is manuavers better than a toy in the tight wooded trials we have here.but with stock running gear they are limited to a small size tire.but i still like the hell out of them,but will not give my toys for them...

i do have some junker sammies that my dad had,and all the toy parts i need to swap in toy junk.so i will have a project one day.i also got the $700 deal on adapter and gears and already had a t-case with 4:1 gears.so i will just put one case in the sammi since it has a short wheel base.

but just get what you want and drive the hell out of it...

mount a Zook tin top body onto it, THEN cut the rear section off a soft top & since the body lines are the same, meld it into the back of the tin top cab to make like a little truck bed to fill in that extra space.

Wyld Bill,
I think this would be kwel...

Originally posted by brennanw


Fawk that's funny! I've got to show that to my wife.

I showed it to mine and she asked if I was gonna go cruise for skinny sluts.

For me, it was all about cost. Any vehicle with 4WD is made of Gold in Colorado. It took a year for me to find a decent Sammi for under $1k. Actually, I ended up at $1200 for it and it was well worth it. Toss in another $2k or so for lift, gears, tires, etc. and I'm all over it.

I couldnt get near a comparable Toy here for $3k.

Kevin

howdy,
i got a deal for you, by the :flipoff2: toyota, sell me your sammi, i need another one. and we can part ways. this would make you happy and i walk away with another sammi. or you could just go to the bottom of the barrel and get a fu*&en :jeep: and realy put your arse in the :blender: . but hey why just put the yota stuff in the sammi. you keep the weight down, width down, and the vendors and other owners are better.

Originally posted by jimzuki
i got a deal for you, by the :flipoff2: toyota, sell me your sammi, i need another one.

I don't think anyone would want my Sami, it's got no trans or t-case, One Toyota axle and one Suzuki axle, and a body that's seen it's share of the woods. (they're small but somehow I still manage to hit the trees)

I'm going to keep the 1.3L in my zuk and go with the Lucky 13/ RingeR to use a Toy W-56 5 speed and dual Toy cases. Might even use two sets of 4.7s since I've got the gears here. I emailed Kerry, just waiting to hear back from him and it'll be underway.
I know I'll have PLENTY of gear to get me through the rocks, I just hope it can pull itself on the highway with the 1:1 high range in the t-case and 4:10s in the Yota axles.

Reasons I'm not going with a Toy. (1) I know I'd just wind up cutting it up to make it the same size as my Sami. (2) The 1.3L won't break my axles. (3) I can easily replace the windshield the next time I roll vs banging up the whole cab on a Toy. (4) I don't feel like changing my screenname :flipoff2:

howdy,
here's what i did to my 1.3l hybreed. weber carb 42 46 jetted, elec. fan, under pulley, bored 40 over, tracker exhaust vavles in sammi head, traker intake on sammi head, high compression piston tops, gti crankshaft, dt header, 2.25" exhaust, msd igntioin, accel spark plug wires, ngk v-groove plugs, obx intake for a honda, 3 row radiator, gm alt, hawk torqueor cam, adjustable cam sporket, timing advanced 3 degrees, holley fuel pressure regulator, holley low pressure fuel pump, only runs 87 octane, v8 cat, hardcore offroad muffler, fuel cooler, glass fuel filter, brass rotor cap knobs, brass rotor button, accel coil, and some other things but i can't remember all of them. i had the engine dyno ayt cincy speed shop. hp = 107 torque = 78lbs. i would say that i have around $4000, but that with the some swift engine parts still sitting in the garage. i blue printed the engine and don's crankshaft did the balancing, boring, honing, porting, lapping, and a whole bunch of good ideas. like making allen headed screw to replace all of those stupid head phillips screws. he also cut and fitted my tracker intake to fit it to the sammi head and then reported the sammi head intake ports to flow as much fuel as the tracker intake.

Originally posted by jimzuki
howdy,
here's what i did to my 1.3l hybreed. weber carb 42 46 jetted, elec. fan, under pulley, bored 40 over, tracker exhaust vavles in sammi head, traker intake on sammi head, high compression piston tops, gti crankshaft, dt header, 2.25" exhaust, msd igntioin, accel spark plug wires, ngk v-groove plugs, obx intake for a honda, 3 row radiator, gm alt, hawk torqueor cam, adjustable cam sporket, timing advanced 3 degrees, holley fuel pressure regulator, holley low pressure fuel pump, only runs 87 octane, v8 cat, hardcore offroad muffler, fuel cooler, glass fuel filter, brass rotor cap knobs, brass rotor button, accel coil, and some other things but i can't remember all of them. i had the engine dyno ayt cincy speed shop. hp = 107 torque = 78lbs. i would say that i have around $4000, but that with the some swift engine parts still sitting in the garage. i blue printed the engine and don's crankshaft did the balancing, boring, honing, porting, lapping, and a whole bunch of good ideas. like making allen headed screw to replace all of those stupid head phillips screws. he also cut and fitted my tracker intake to fit it to the sammi head and then reported the sammi head intake ports to flow as much fuel as the tracker intake.

how much $ did you spend to get 107hp? sounds cool and all, but an easy motor swap tp any # of toyota motors 4ag/22re/3tc/ect would have netted you 125-200hp with 100ft lbs of torque and up.....;)

howdy,
i got about 4000 in the engine, but it's 3 engine made into one. i did it this way because when you keep the hp down you keep the breakage down.

Originally posted by jimzuki
howdy,
i got about 4000 in the engine, but it's 3 engine made into one. i did it this way because when you keep the hp down you keep the breakage down.

..........Hmmmmm, guess you could run 31's to keep breakage down too, and no low t-case gears because it's tourque that breaks parts not hp.....I think you went a little silly, a stock motor is what 70hp? so you got 37hp for $4000 [good deal:eek:] a stock 22re is like 116hp 100ft lbs tq rebuilt for $1k, not to be a smart ass, but I don't see anyone else on this that will agree with you on that move.

..........Hmmmmm, guess you could run 31's to keep breakage down too, and no low t-case gears because it's tourque that breaks parts not hp.....I think you went a little silly, a stock motor is what 70hp? so you got 37hp for $4000 [good deal] a stock 22re is like 116hp 1109 ft lbs tq rebuilt for $1k, not to be a smart ass, but I don't see anyone else on this that will agree with you on that move.

and then on the other hand i could deal with all the fawking problems of fitting the 22r. and then on top of that i could then deal with the weight change to. as i could have gotten a diferent trans and tcase to mount to the 22r. but hell while we are on it why don't i just fawking tell you that my engine built has not been all at one time. but why the fawk would you care, also why would you fawking care if i would like to keep my sammi mostly sammi. you know mostly for the reason i bought it. also the stock engine is 63hp, i now have 107 hp with 95 ft lbs of torque. also when you type the torque specs of the 22re, left your d@mn fingers up. but hey maybe 1109 ft lbs of torque is possible in your world. also if you knew anything about these d@mn engine you would know that the gti crank shaft is better at high rev than the stock sammi crank. but then i guess you would not know that the oil journals are also large, thus making the oil flow better at higher revs. but heck then i guess you wouldn't know that the with compression at 11:1 the torque is greatly increased. but i guess i could just throw a stock 22r and not have any of the beef and strengths i have now. sorry if i came off like a smart ass, but don't poke at the engine guy when he know his shite. :flipoff2:

http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/958225-engine.JPG
but that what i have in mine and just fits right.

Originally posted by jimzuki


and then on the other hand i could deal with all the fawking problems of fitting the 22r. and then on top of that i could then deal with the weight change to. as i could have gotten a diferent trans and tcase to mount to the 22r. but hell while we are on it why don't i just fawking tell you that my engine built has not been all at one time. but why the fawk would you care, also why would you fawking care if i would like to keep my sammi mostly sammi. you know mostly for the reason i bought it. also the stock engine is 63hp, i now have 107 hp with 95 ft lbs of torque. also when you type the torque specs of the 22re, left your d@mn fingers up. but hey maybe 1109 ft lbs of torque is possible in your world. also if you knew anything about these d@mn engine you would know that the gti crank shaft is better at high rev than the stock sammi crank. but then i guess you would not know that the oil journals are also large, thus making the oil flow better at higher revs. but heck then i guess you wouldn't know that the with compression at 11:1 the torque is greatly increased. but i guess i could just throw a stock 22r and not have any of the beef and strengths i have now. sorry if i came off like a smart ass, but don't poke at the engine guy when he know his shite. :flipoff2: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: high revver ya sounds like a ricer, got a folgers tip on the exhaust too?

:emb4: I'm sorry I think you found the wrong bb, we don't run high rev, motors at $4k or rice intakes that suck in water,,,oh I am being a smart ass now:D

folgers tip on the exhaust too?
howdy,
nope i run a hardcore muffler and piped out the back. it quiet, if it was loud it would piss me off wheelen. sounds like a john deere 970 counting out.

Originally posted by jimzuki

howdy,
nope i run a hardcore muffler and piped out the back. it quiet, if it was loud it would piss me off wheelen. sounds like a john deere 970 counting out.

that's cool, how abot pics and specs??? tires ect.

howdy,
well i guess you can't see the snorkel tube on the other side of the street filter. but fawk it why should i explan myself to you. take it for what you want. at least i can still call mine a suzuki.

Originally posted by jimzuki
howdy,
well i guess you can't see the snorkel tube on the other side of the street filter. but fawk it why should i explan myself to you. take it for what you want. at least i can still call mine a suzuki. no need to get upset and :crybaby: you will still suck water from the filter:rolleyes: still call it a zuk, why you think I want to call mine a zuk but can't? :D if you don't want anyone telling y7ou what they think of your piece, don't post about it, simple.

http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/964743-monzukiflex1.jpg
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/964745-monzukiflex2.jpg
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/964746-monzukiflex3.jpg
these are a bit old. since then i have no body right now. i'm doing a tub switch, also the snorkel is not installed in these pics, those are street tyres in these pics, and the seats are 90 mustang, rear springs up front, cj fronts in rear, 5.38 r&p from NC ZUK, RGRS1 4.16:1 t-case gears in one t-case, RGRS3 6.129:1 t-case gears in the spare, interchange for what i am going to be doing, 2" lift shackles, 5.5 spoa perches, yota front cv driveshaft rear, SUMO™ front rock crawler driveshaft, no lockers, hard to turn in mudd, RCI 5-point harnesses, no roll cage yet. hope this lets you kow about mine. sorry if i come off like an a**hole but i hate it when people trash the 1.3L, without even knowing of what it is capible of.

how do the seatrs fit? much room between them? looks good

mines mostly stock......with P/S;) & a chrome gas cap:emb4: http://pics.montypics.com/SeaBass44/2002-12-03/img_0012sam.jpg

sweet ride seabass , i'm doing something similar to my 88 partly because of a mad deer attack and partly because of a bed full of rust . would like to see more pics of your ride if possible :D

howdy,
they fit tight, they are about three inches wider and on the drivers side i had to cut out the stock seat mounts. by doing this i gained 3 inches of head room. alot better than when my head hit the soft top. the seat go from tunnel to door. with just a little room left. also they let you move the seat 3" more forward and 2" more backwards. are are 2 pics.
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/871014-myconsole.JPG
http://tellico.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/871013-mustangseats.JPG

here is a cruddy pic on the con before I got my good camera.....I have 79-83 toy seats in mine, complete floor pan is custom, lots of headroom, not much room between the seats though, I mounted then with quick release pins so I can pull the seats in a few seconds to work on it or clean it up. these pics are with the old 35/16's at the begaining of this summer.http://pics.montypics.com/SeaBass44/2002-12-07/seabass3.jpg http://pics.montypics.com/SeaBass44/2002-12-07/s9.jpg

howdy, jimzuki your rig sucks.:flipoff2:

i've had that 1st pic set as my wallpaper so i can show my wife what i'm doing to mine :D . do you have a website w/pics so i could see more ? i would like to make a rear cab wall around 6in or so & use my bikini top & rear curtain . i am also unsure how i'm going to tie in my tub bed w/rest of cab

Originally posted by twisted one
i've had that 1st pic set as my wallpaper so i can show my wife what i'm doing to mine :D . do you have a website w/pics so i could see more ? i would like to make a rear cab wall around 6in or so & use my bikini top & rear curtain . i am also unsure how i'm going to tie in my tub bed w/rest of cab
No website yet, going to make one with a BB like this for the club I am starting. I just took a bunch of pics, I am going to try and use the factory softtop rear window to fill in that space behind the seats, working on it right now. I will email you some pics.

thanks seabass , i appreciate any help you can give me :D
ray

Originally posted by twisted one
thanks seabass , i appreciate any help you can give me :D
ray I just sent 6 pics of the rear area. I have the window section I cut of heating up in the sun right now, it won't unbend:D it's to cold:eek:

thanks for the pics , thats pretty much what i needed :D
it's cold here too , low 30's for a high today :flipoff2:
thx for the help...ray

howdy,
jones sux the johnson.:flipoff2:
sorry not much off a rock guy, ohio doesn't have many out here. i am more of a mudd man, but with a weakness for trees. but ain't nothing more fun here than quarry road, up in mcarther. do most of my wheelen at on my wife dad's farm.

Why not just go with a Suzuki? Well, because Suzuki's suck.



























JUST KIDDING.
I wish I had my drivetrain in a zuk. If nothing else, trees would become a hell of a lot easier to dodge. ;)

I'm a Toyota guy. Snuck over from the Toyota board cause I'm thinking sammy. My plan is to build one for under $3000 on 33's that is road legal (my Toy isn't) and that will keep up with my multi thousand (more like 10's of) Toyota on 38's. I love how Sammy's move, and I like the old school body lines. Why not a Suzuki and a Toyota. Hell everyone should have one of each. Just don't buy a Jeep. ;)

Originally posted by jimzuki
these are a bit old. since then i have no body right now. i'm doing a tub switch, also the snorkel is not installed in these pics, those are street tyres in these pics, and the seats are 90 mustang, rear springs up front, cj fronts in rear, 5.38 r&p from NC ZUK, RGRS1 4.16:1 t-case gears in one t-case, RGRS3 6.129:1 t-case gears in the spare, interchange for what i am going to be doing, 2" lift shackles, 5.5 spoa perches, yota front cv driveshaft rear, SUMO™ front rock crawler driveshaft, no lockers, hard to turn in mudd, RCI 5-point harnesses, no roll cage yet. hope this lets you kow about mine. sorry if i come off like an a**hole but i hate it when people trash the 1.3L, without even knowing of what it is capible of. [/B]

Wow dude! I hate to hate, but that rig is so :rainbow:

Wow!

Originally posted by wayoff


Wow dude! I hate to hate, but that rig is so :rainbow:

Wow!

Com Awn! play nice NewBie:eek: He pointed out it was a mud truck.........

Hey, I hate "Pig pile on the NEWBIE" as much as anyone, but, come on! This is POR for Christs sake!

Anyway, I am impressed with how Toyota people can get along with Suzuki people and visa versa. I mean, can you imagine if someone in the JEEP section posted "Why not just go with a Toyota?" Wow! It would probably shut the site down.

Originally posted by wayoff
Hey, I hate "Pig pile on the NEWBIE" as much as anyone, but, come on! This is POR for Christs sake!

Anyway, I am impressed with how Toyota people can get along with Suzuki people and visa versa. I mean, can you imagine if someone in the JEEP section posted "Why not just go with a Toyota?" Wow! It would probably shut the site down.

In my opinion, that's the problem with PIRATE, rude is cool:rolleyes: and I like JEEPS too!;) :flipoff2: I used to be one of the biggest Jack Ass's [still am at times:D]on this BB, rude too.....but what's that get ya?

I hear you, and I'm with you. And rude is why I haven't frequented this board. I got bashed a couple of times by "Online wheelers" who had no idea who they were talking to, or what they were talking about. But man! Did you see that thing? Holy Gay pride Parade float!
Sorry, just a Joke. I'm embracing my "That guyness"

It's an honor to talk with you. And, I work on rigs. About 90% of them are Jeeps. ;) My point being, I wish all people, with all rigs, could appreciate a cool setup when they see one.

Why not a Suzuki and a Toyota. Hell everyone should have one of each. Just don't buy a Jeep.
howdy,
wayoff back in the 80's my dad had a 1979 toyota pick up. we run some 5' chain drives with tractor tires. used it to pull the bug sprayer on the farm. and yes i did say five foot. next time at their house i'll get a pic and post it on the yota broad and most likely get the same hazen over there as with this board.
Wow dude! I hate to hate, but that rig is so :rainbow:
hey what ever floats your boat. but i want to keep this sammi all sammi. but heck maybe that why i bought it. also i'd just like to find out, where is the tech talk and not the slamming on other's rigs.
wayoff i know a guy that has a 91 samurai for sale for $750. soft top.

I know a guy that has a Samurai for sale right near you;)

Originally posted by SeaBass44
mines mostly stock......with P/S;) & a chrome gas cap:emb4: http://pics.montypics.com/SeaBass44/2002-12-03/img_0012sam.jpg

Hey SeaBass, are those suzuki flares on the front? You got any pictures of what the cut-out looked like? and how the flares are mounted.

I bought it with those on, he said JC Whitney:D

Well, I am bored on a sunday, so just surfing the other forums, and see this one.

I love sammies on the trail. I test drove one though, and dropped all thoughts of buying it. I have to daily drive it, and it was horrible on road. Kinda like a smallish go- kart.

Now my toyota on the other hand, with 4.3, 4l60e, D44, and Taco rear on 37 mtr's cruises sweet at 90 mph. If I was rich though, and could afford a tow rig and a sammie, I would be all over it.