I heard about putting BB's or some sort of pellets inside the tire when mounting to act as a balencer going down the highway? The concept is that the BB's will "stick" or "attach" to the tire in off balance areas to only help in balencing the tire.

Is this true? Has it been done? The only place in town that can balance my 40's wants 35 a tire. I don't have that money. I am not looking for a "perfect" balance. I will never expect a "perfect" balance on tires this large. Just something to Help a little(ok, maybe alot, but not perfect)

How much should I put in the tire if this does really work?

the tires are 40x13.50R 17 mounted on stock 17" H-2 Wheels. I want to get these mounted this friday. So any input would be great.

thanks

we do it all the time on 18 wheelers and i just put some in my super swamper LTB's (31x11.50) so far no complaints. also alot of local shops recommend this instead of weights on the wheel

thanks. Off to walmart to buy some BB's

How much you think is good for each tire? I was thinking about 6 oz?

http://www.innovativebalancing.com/

take a look at this site. According to there chart you need 10-12 oz so that is what I would do.

I used the air soft pellets from Wal-Mart on my 33's and now my 37's. Works like a champ :smokin:

Not quite the same, but same concept, We just bought a new Samsung front loader washing machine that uses some kind of ball bearings to balance the drum when spinning at 1200 RPM, Smooth as silk,no wiggle at all. So I would definately say it should work quite well with a tire.

I use the walmart airsoft pelets in my 32s. I balanced them with sticker weights inside and out and then put the beads in. Rides much better than before.

http://www.innovativebalancing.com/

take a look at this site. According to there chart you need 10-12 oz so that is what I would do.

Their Dynabeads work a lot better then Airsoft pellets or BB's. I put dynabeads in my tires a while back and it made a huge difference over the Airsoft pellets.

A good dynamic balance job with clip weights on both sides of the rim will outdo bb's anyday.

A good dynamic balance job with clip weights on both sides of the rim will outdo bb's anyday.

till you rip them off on the trails or the misses rips em off on the curb :flipoff2:

A good dynamic balance job with clip weights on both sides of the rim will outdo bb's anyday.

that would be great, except it costs between 35-45 A TIRE to balance 40" creepies on 17" H-2 wheels in my area!!! F-that

Tires are already mounted with BB's inside.

till you rip them off on the trails or the misses rips em off on the curb :flipoff2:

Or they just fall off like they used to on my '98 Dodge Ram with the Eagle Alloy AL wheels. I couldn't keep wheel weights on that thing to save it's life - didn't matter who installed them.

Put 6 oz of BB's in each tire, smooth as silk from then on, wheel weights on or off, didn't matter.

Dynamic balancers like BB's, Airsoft beads, Centramatics, ball bearings, antifreeze etc. work and work well.

Or they just fall off like they used to on my '98 Dodge Ram with the Eagle Alloy AL wheels. I couldn't keep wheel weights on that thing to save it's life - didn't matter who installed them.

Put 6 oz of BB's in each tire, smooth as silk from then on, wheel weights on or off, didn't matter.

Dynamic balancers like BB's, Airsoft beads, Centramatics, ball bearings, antifreeze etc. work and work well.


agreed, i tried balancing my 31x11.50 LTB's with the clip on weights and as soon as you start ripping the side lugs apart on rocks they are off balance and cause vibration at high speeds. this week im tossing 8oz of BB's in each tire like i should have from the beggining. waste of money the high speed balancing was

golf balls...

I'll have to try the BB's. I used the sand and it works realy good until you try to air down your tires and the sand gets stuck in the stems so for now I carry extra stems....

I use about 8 ounces in each 33x12.15 Truxs MT (15 x 8 rims). Thats around 2500 air soft pellets (they have different sizes. I think they were 17 grains).

I found they work really well. I gave up on static weights on the tires. I either rip them off or the tire is out of balance after I take chunk off while on the trail.

The only issue I've run into is when I take it to someone to swap tires I have to watch them.. Otherwise they forget and take off the tire and toss it on the ground.. then they have air soft pellets all over the ground.. makes for interesting walking.

I now have about 50k miles of driving with pellets in the tires (ran them in my BFG tires before, just used less pellets since BFG tires seem to be more round/balanced than the truxs MT)

~Mark

still haven't thrown on the 4-d's and see how they work on the balencing side. Just don't want to drive these things on the road. strictly off road only. I will let you all know how they work when I finally get off my arse and test it out.

There's a bunch of threads on this already, just search for Airsoft BB balance here's a few:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=516446&highlight=airsoft+BB%27s+balance

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473356&highlight=airsoft+BB%27s+balance

toyotaman...yeah try that on some big azz Intercos, and report back.

Using Airsoft BB's, Dyna Beads, Equal (the balancing powder, not the sugar subsitute, and not "sand", although Equal has a tendancy to clump) rebalance the tire everytime you drive, even if it's worn down, or slipped on the rim, or you have beadlocks, or have a big chunk missing, etc.

I had BB's in my 35" MTR's and it didnt really work that good..... from reading threads I believe you really HAVE to have the correct weight of BB's in their to work.

Now I have 38" SX's with no weights or anything and its WAY smoother than the MTR's were... I still get small death wobbles :)


QUESTION: jpfrk2001... why even bother if your just going to drive off road??

I plan for the worst conditions and hope for the best:D

I had BB's in my 35" MTR's and it didnt really work that good..... from reading threads I believe you really HAVE to have the correct weight of BB's in their to work.


thats close.. you don't need the right amount.. you need at least enough to balance the tire. If you have too much, its ok.. if you have not enough it won't work.

Thats why I went with so much weight in each tire. The interco tires are notorious for being out of balance, so I put in 8 ounces. With my BFG AT tires (same size) I only ran 4 ounces and it was ok, but for the interco tires I wanted to make sure becuase of the reputation.

~Mark

Putting BB's inside a tire, or any dynamic balancer for that matter, will not solve any wheel or tire out of round issues.

I understand your thinking but your reasoning sucks. Regular BB's will eventually ruin the inner liner of the tire and cause a blow out. There are a few different products to do the same thing like Equal and there are more but I can't remember what the names are. Equal you have to use CO2 or dry air so it doesn't klump up, but there are others that you can use regular compressed air. Get in touch with a good tire shop and they should be able to tell you what they are. I've been doing tires for a long tire so trust me guys. I have seen alot of tire failures do to insane ideas on internal balancing.:shaking:

There are a few product out there.. Some use ceramic beads (dynabeads), some plastic. You don't "need" to use co2 or nitrogen with equal.. Just put a moister blocker before the air chuck (imi, the maker of equal sells such a piece).

Semi's have been using internal balancing for quite a while.. Its proven technology.

~Mark

I understand your thinking but your reasoning sucks. Regular BB's will eventually ruin the inner liner of the tire and cause a blow out. There are a few different products to do the same thing like Equal and there are more but I can't remember what the names are. Equal you have to use CO2 or dry air so it doesn't klump up, but there are others that you can use regular compressed air. Get in touch with a good tire shop and they should be able to tell you what they are. I've been doing tires for a long tire so trust me guys. I have seen alot of tire failures do to insane ideas on internal balancing.:shaking:

I put BB's in my '98 Dodge Ram in 2002 or so in the 35x12.50 and ran them for years, in fact I still have them. There is no damage or even any marks on the inside liner of the tire.

The BB's roll around until the vehicle speed gets to 15-20 mph and then they start sticking due to centrifugal force and they stay there on up. Unless someone is driving around 10-15 mph all the time, wear on the inside of the tire just isn't an issue.

I put BB's in my '98 Dodge Ram in 2002 or so in the 35x12.50 and ran them for years, in fact I still have them. There is no damage or even any marks on the inside liner of the tire.

The BB's roll around until the vehicle speed gets to 15-20 mph and then they start sticking due to centrifugal force and they stay there on up. Unless someone is driving around 10-15 mph all the time, wear on the inside of the tire just isn't an issue.
Centrifugal force doesn't exist, The stick to the side of the tire due to there own velocity/enursha making them want to spin outward on a tangent and centripetal force pulling them inwards

Centrifugal force doesn't exist, The stick to the side of the tire due to there own velocity/enursha making them want to spin outward on a tangent and centripetal force pulling them inwards

Looks like you missed the memo; these guys invented it in the last couple of years, probably have several patents on it already.....http://www.centramatic.com/Tech_Facts/tech_facts.php

ETA: what's "enursha"? Is that like inertia except when it's inside a Super Swamper or TSL or something?

:)

I really did not think that this would work. So, I put 8-10 oz. of Airsoft BB's in each of my 37's. I run 7x15 rims with dual beadlock screws in each. Works well, I can run down the highway at 65mph and not notice anything out of balance. I never hear them moving around either.

Looks like you missed the memo; these guys invented it in the last couple of years, probably have several patents on it already.....http://www.centramatic.com/Tech_Facts/tech_facts.php

ETA: what's "enursha"? Is that like inertia except when it's inside a Super Swamper or TSL or something?

:)
:D
i knew someone would call me out on the spelling.. i can't spell any better then spell check( a result of the "whole spelling school system". But i did listen to a hour long lecture from my professor(brilliant man) on why "centrifugal" force doesn't exist, why people think it does and what really is happening(centripetal, inertia and other ugly stuff ).

But balancing with balancing beads should work up to a point from what I've learned. And i do plan to run/try them in my 37's when i get around to mounting them my wheels

:D
i knew someone would call me out on the spelling.. i can't spell any better then spell check( a result of the "whole spelling school system". But i did listen to a hour long lecture from my professor(brilliant man) on why "centrifugal" force doesn't exist, why people think it does and what really is happening(centripetal, inertia and other ugly stuff ).

But balancing with balancing beads should work up to a point from what I've learned. And i do plan to run/try them in my 37's when i get around to mounting them my wheels

I was just messing with you. :)

Whatever they call it, it works. I'm sold on the idea.

dont you hear them clinking off your rims when you slow down?

dont you hear them clinking off your rims when you slow down?

When I used BB's, I'd hear them rolling on the inside of the tire as I was speeding up and slowing down below 20 mph or so. Never heard them hitting the rim.

I don't hear the Centramatics at all.

Centramatics for us. We used them on the TJ (installed with out of ballance old tires and it smoothed out the ride very well). We have them on the Cummins. Too lazy to rotate the tires, almost 40K miles later, no cupping. And we use them on the Hummer, a must do, esp. with Military OZ tires. It is better to have the tires balanced first so. Find a Hunter 9700 roadforce balancer to do so. We do hear the Centramatics at slow speed, and bystanders have asked, if I notice this weard noise.

wow!!

this thread took off!

the BB's work fine. It takes about 2 miles at speed for everything to balance out. Soo Im happy with it.

I will have to flat tow this beast till I get a trailer. So I am comfortable with it.