Come on guys! Everytime I go to Tellico or a Tennessee event, I see several well built rigs so lets get them boys behind the wheel at an EROCC event. At least come out and have some fun. If your not into the competitions then just have fun and try some of the obstacles, which were nasty at the last event.


Lets play and congrats Shupe on the first place. I'm going to be hard on your heels at the July EROCC event.:usa:

Are you lookin' to get some smack talking going in the unlimited class or something? The Legends class is putting you guys to shame on their thread!

Team 106 will see you in the finals with an improved vehicle :D. I'll be honing my spotter skills in the legends this event, maybe we'll turn in a lower total than you :eek:

(inter-class sh!t talking there) :D

Maybe towards the end of summer or next summer for me. GOing to pick up my tow rig project this weekend!

All right, so I'm talking smack! Bring it on, I've got a new rig about to start and the old one got a new face lift and we shorten her skirt and gave her some vitamins. :eek:

Tim,
I think Darryl said he was building a new legends course all together, he was going to wait for the spectators to get parked and just have them circle all the cars. Have a :beer: , its all fun and games till I break an axle.

Being that I'm from Tennessee and the EROCC is in Jellico Tn, I was VERY disappointed that only one Tn team had entered! But after seeing Shupe's, Hamilton's, and the KY boys rig I know why. We build are rigs BIG and BEEFY, totally not what a comp. rig should be. I think a lot of people realized that after the first comp. plus most of use that go hardcore love this sport but cann't spend the $$$ it takes to have a rig that's good enough to win comp's and keep up it's maintence costs:barf: It's true though, there are a lot of great rigs and drivers here on the East coast, it's just too bad many of us have 40+ hr jobs and families that require time and money not being spend in the woods and on the trail rig. We are however about 2 years behind the people out west, so we are just getting started, wait a little while and see. The East Coast will catch up soon enough.:D

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
Being that I'm from Tennessee and the EROCC is in Jellico Tn, I was VERY disappointed that only one Tn team had entered! But after seeing Shupe's, Hamilton's, and the KY boys rig I know why. We build are rigs BIG and BEEFY, totally not what a comp. rig should be. I think a lot of people realized that after the first comp. plus most of use that go hardcore love this sport but cann't spend the $$$ it takes to have a rig that's good enough to win comp's and keep up it's maintence costs:barf: It's true though, there are a lot of great rigs and drivers here on the East coast, it's just too bad many of us have 40+ hr jobs and families that require time and money not being spend in the woods and on the trail rig. We are however about 2 years behind the people out west, so we are just getting started, wait a little while and see. The East Coast will catch up soon enough.:D


Blah, blah, blah,...If you wanna compete, you need to get out and compete,.... with whatever you have.
Hell you spend the 1st season just getting used to having to perform under comp conditions.
If you are using the excuse that you need to have a comp rig to compete, you will always be 2 years behind the competition.

Put up or shut up!

where are erocc events held what are the rules. l have a rig that may work but tell me more.:usa:

Originally posted by frankie fountain
where are erocc events held what are the rules. l have a rig that may work but tell me more.:usa:

www.erocc.com

i'd like to see your rig up close, we'll be there the weekend of the 27th.

We build are rigs BIG and BEEFY, totally not what a comp. rig should be.

You are absolutely right Jayrockn7, obviously H8monday has never been wheeling out here. Too many trails in this part of the country require big tires, big horsepower and wheelbase (there are guys out here running alcohol injected big blocks and breaking 2 and 1/2 tons like they were stock jeep axles).
Out west the small light vehicle is the rig of choice already. We are not 2 years behind anyone, we just have a different type of terrain to traverse. I would guess that Shupes rig would not fair too well if he were to go on a few select trails around here.
Kevin Mize (the big red truck with 2 and 1/2s) built his truck to go about anywhere he points it, he knows it is not the most competitive vehicle out there, he does it for fun and to thrill the crowd the best he can. After all, that's what it's all about, just having a good time.

Originally posted by BornInAJeep


www.erocc.com

i'd like to see your rig up close, we'll be there the weekend of the 27th. i went to www.erocc.com i think my reaper will be unlimited class? .where on the 27th i did not see how the events works . is it a series am i to late. i think i am ready for competion .do you know of my rig . if not here are the spec as of today lti 350 with vortech supper charger ,350 turbo ,np205, 1410 shafts and joints,fox 4'' bump stops. 2.5 sway aways valving and spring rate set up for agresive driving.full tube frame.with 1/8 '' fire walls and floors.2.5 ton rockwells with revers hubs , dual detroits ,4 wheel hyd.steering.revers front and rear 4 links. 19.5x44x15 cut boggers ,15x10 32 bolt bead locks warn hs9500 .this machine is set up for hard throtle and agresive driving.but it crawls good to ,but i have heavy foot .think this thing will work for erocc.?is there any sponsors ?matkins is coming out with a new all aluminun custom jeep body.phill says he will send me a frame and body if i will build it for compation but i will need sponsors the reaper broke the bank.what do you think.

Hey frankie,
Did you see this?: http://www.erocc.com/compete.html
If you have any questions they have a forum something like this at : http://forum.trailkeepers.org/ or you can contact them by e-mail at : events@erocc.com
It would be good to see something of that caliber up there. There was a Unimog that was set up similar to yours at the first event, but he rolled over backwards and never returned.
Maybe you can give Shupe a run for his money.

frankie, my question is, are going to win or to have a good time. If you want to compete with the big boys if think you need to look at thing like track width and wheelbase. My truck is 91" wide and 120" WB. It is too big to be competitive. I understand you have 4 wheel steering, but that is a 3 point penalty per obstacle if you use it. Shupe won last time with 13 points. Also I might be concerned with 44's on a 10" rim. Last event had a LOT of steep downhill sections. It would be easy to fold a tire over on a narrow rim. H8monday said that you spend the first year learning to perform in competition. I am in my first year and feel that is very true. No amount of money can buy the experience that you get behind the steering wheel. I am going to build another truck this winter. It will still be too wide and long, but I think I can get it to work better. Anyway if you are interested in this sport, the sooner you jump in the better off you will be.

Originally posted by 350Samurai


You are absolutely right Jayrockn7, obviously H8monday has never been wheeling out here. Too many trails in this part of the country require big tires, big horsepower and wheelbase (there are guys out here running alcohol injected big blocks and breaking 2 and 1/2 tons like they were stock jeep axles).
Out west the small light vehicle is the rig of choice already. We are not 2 years behind anyone, we just have a different type of terrain to traverse. I would guess that Shupes rig would not fair too well if he were to go on a few select trails around here.
Kevin Mize (the big red truck with 2 and 1/2s) built his truck to go about anywhere he points it, he knows it is not the most competitive vehicle out there, he does it for fun and to thrill the crowd the best he can. After all, that's what it's all about, just having a good time.


Obviousely you have never seen how my rig is built, how much it weighs and how hard I drive just to try to get into the top 10. My rig weighs up front what Mike's rig weighs total.
I drive hard and keep my sponsors happy, and I hope to get the weight down with many mods this winter.
In the mean time, I make the highlights now and then, and gain valuable experience.
Like I said Put up or shut up. and Ill still drive my rig on any trails that you can throw at it.

Obviousely you have never seen how my rig is built

I see how your truck is built by your sig,and it looks too be built well.
Trust me, I am not knocking your rig, just trying to make a point that the reason that not many people are competing is that there are not many rigs built that way in the east. I think it will be a little more gradual as people will have to purposely build rigs for competition.

Originally posted by 350Samurai


I see how your truck is built by your sig,and it looks too be built well.
Trust me, I am not knocking your rig, just trying to make a point that the reason that not many people are competing is that there are not many rigs built that way in the east. I think it will be a little more gradual as people will have to purposely build rigs for competition.


What I am saying is that my rig is not built at all like a purpose built competion rig either,....but I want to compete, so I compete with it. And although it is hard to compete with the super comp rigs, I still compete.
As bad as my rig may be, in comparison to a full competition rig, it is not nearly as bad as my competition driving skills, when scrutinized at every obstacle by judges, and thousands of spectators. So while I dream of a super lightweight competition rig, I still line up at the starting gates of courses when ever possible, so that I can get an idea of what the hell it really takes to win at the upper level.
If you get out and compete instead of sitting back and blaming the design of your rig, you will quickly see that rig design is not the only obstacle to the top of the competion heap.

So I will say it one last time,....if you really want to compete,...."PUT UP OR SHUT UP"!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by 350Samurai


You are absolutely right Jayrockn7, obviously H8monday has never been wheeling out here. Too many trails in this part of the country require big tires, big horsepower and wheelbase (there are guys out here running alcohol injected big blocks and breaking 2 and 1/2 tons like they were stock jeep axles).
Out west the small light vehicle is the rig of choice already. We are not 2 years behind anyone, we just have a different type of terrain to traverse. I would guess that Shupes rig would not fair too well if he were to go on a few select trails around here.
Kevin Mize (the big red truck with 2 and 1/2s) built his truck to go about anywhere he points it, he knows it is not the most competitive vehicle out there, he does it for fun and to thrill the crowd the best he can. After all, that's what it's all about, just having a good time.

I have wheeled both east and west and I can say that the guys in the east WAY overbuild and over-gas their rigs on most of the stuff I have seen.

I watched an idiot break 2...yes 2 NP205 transfer cases on Slickrock at Tellico using more stupid pedal than any person could imagine.

Can you believe this dude carried a spare 205? WTF?

Anyway, don't doubt guys like Shupe on trails in the east. Sure he does not have a blown Big Block and 44's, but he has more "stick time" in his rig than most weekend warriors and he knows how to drive!

I will bet on Shupe over the average Tellico Hybrid with a blown 502 and 44's any day.

Originally posted by H8monday


So I will say it one last time,....if you really want to compete,...."PUT UP OR SHUT UP"!!!!!!!!

Well spoken! I beat the shit out of my trail rig on 35"s in Legends. Gotta start somewhere, and it's not the rig that wins, it's the team, so get out and see what it takes to make the grade!

Originally posted by wngrog
Anyway, don't doubt guys like Shupe on trails in the east.

I will bet on Shupe over the average Tellico Hybrid with a blown 502 and 44's any day.

He used to wheel a 4.0 YJ w/ locked D44s and 35s. Drove all over everything Tellico had and made everyone else look stupid :D A competiton rig can hang on any trail in the east. It's just easier to build a monster rig that can drive over anything and not break, instead of learning how to drive a well built trail rig.

Originally posted by lt1wrangler
I think Darryl said he was building a new legends course all together, he was going to wait for the spectators to get parked and just have them circle all the cars.

I heard he wasn't going to have any extreme drop-offs at the finishing gates because some fool flopped on his lid as he finished and was whining about it. You heard anything about that? :D:flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


He used to wheel a 4.0 YJ w/ locked D44s and 35s. Drove all over everything Tellico had and made everyone else look stupid :D A competiton rig can hang on any trail in the east. It's just easier to build a monster rig that can drive over anything and not break, instead of learning how to drive a well built trail rig.

I was with you untill you said "that can drive over anything and not break... Then you follow that up with defining a 'well built' trail rig as the opposite of your previous definition. By saying that you are defining a competition rig as a small rig that breaks.
:flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


I heard he wasn't going to have any extreme drop-offs at the finishing gates because some fool flopped on his lid as he finished and was whining about it. You heard anything about that? :D:flipoff2:

Musta been too busy wheeling the course to hear the whining! But since even I (short wheelbase) avoided the lid landing there, what was that about?

Originally posted by SpaceGhost


Musta been too busy wheeling the course to hear the whining! But since even I (short wheelbase) avoided the lid landing there, what was that about?

Oh some UNLIMITED fellow who's been talking in this thread did a little flip flop action through the gate that EVERY LEGENDS guy exited cleanly :eek:

Who should be wheeling the parking lot?

i think maybe, he puckered a little too much pulled some fabric into his butt causing him to hit the brakes, which caused him to flop........the rumor i heard was he was whinning about ruining his shorts or something like that..... :D:flipoff2:

Originally posted by TyTy


I was with you untill you said "that can drive over anything and not break... Then you follow that up with defining a 'well built' trail rig as the opposite of your previous definition. By saying that you are defining a competition rig as a small rig that breaks.
:flipoff2:

There is a difference between well built and overbuilt in my opinion and they do tend to be opposite. By defining a "monster rig that can drive over anything and not break" I was describing an "overbuilt rig". If you care to see that defined further I reference you to previous posts in this thread where others have listed overly equipped vehicles that they have witnessed. SUCK IT :flipoff2:

Shouldn't you be monitoring that computer lab so nobody steals your child porn :eek:

Originally posted by bigdude


There is a difference between well built and overbuilt in my opinion and they do tend to be opposite. By defining a "monster rig that can drive over anything and not break" I was describing an "overbuilt rig". If you care to see that defined further I reference you to previous posts in this thread where others have listed overly equipped vehicles that they have witnessed. SUCK IT :flipoff2:

Shouldn't you be monitoring that computer lab so nobody steals your child porn :eek:

Oh I'm monitoring alright, I got everything under control:D

Should'nt you be waxing your purty jeep:D:D:D:D:D:flipoff2:
(They say the 48th coat makes all the difference!)

Originally posted by TyTy
Should'nt you be waxing your purty jeep:D:D:D:D:D:flipoff2:
:confused: It's called rattle can "gloss black"

I thought this thread was about competitors not computer jockeys. Get out of here:flipoff2:

mr. shupeeeeee can drive his rig !!! just ask him ,and he will tell you anyone can drive somthing that will go!!!!! by the way they are building a STUCKEYS next to foothills in T.R. SOUTH CAROLINA HA !! HA!!!:usa:

Originally posted by partsjunkie
by the way they are building a STUCKEYS next to foothills in T.R. SOUTH CAROLINA HA !! HA!!!:usa:
Bawahahahahahahahahaha:D :beer:

i have heavy foot .think this thing will work for erocc.?

Frankie you got the rig to do it, get up there and start winning so you can do what you do best....talk shit!!!:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

350Samarai...

Saw your rig up in Tellico two weeks ago...that thing is insane, I was waiting till I saw someone put toploaders on a sammy, i knew someone would do it sooner or later.

Saw you at the bottom of Lower 2 when that CJ ripped his frame in half, didnt get to see yours perform...anyways nice rig man.

OK, Guys, I've been working all day so I missed the discussion.

For the 350 sammy, putup or shut up. There is only one kind of rig and that is a well built one. It performs in whatever situation you put it in and Shupe's rig shows it. West coast or East coast. Hell, The east coast is Shupes backyard. Like I keep saying, you don't have to win but its worth coming just to run the obstacles.


In reference to the rollover, It wasn't lack of gas but lack of the tires touching the ground before the front bumper. I'll see you guys in my rear view mirror. Can't wait for the next competition because schools in session.:flipoff2:

I love the competition!

Rusty, I'll get your pics to you ASAP. I'll be back in the good ol' blue grass the first of Sept. Get a hold of me with your address so I can send you the pics. Don't pay attention to the user name. My e-mail is roarkfabrication@hotmail.com

Travis

Originally posted by toploader4x4
frankie, my question is, are going to win or to have a good time. If you want to compete with the big boys if think you need to look at thing like track width and wheelbase. My truck is 91" wide and 120" WB. It is too big to be competitive. I understand you have 4 wheel steering, but that is a 3 point penalty per obstacle if you use it. Shupe won last time with 13 points. Also I might be concerned with 44's on a 10" rim. Last event had a LOT of steep downhill sections. It would be easy to fold a tire over on a narrow rim. H8monday said that you spend the first year learning to perform in competition. I am in my first year and feel that is very true. No amount of money can buy the experience that you get behind the steering wheel. I am going to build another truck this winter. It will still be too wide and long, but I think I can get it to work better. Anyway if you are interested in this sport, the sooner you jump in the better off you will be. the reaper has 105'' wheel base ,95'' track width if igo its not to loose . rim width is great for the reaper 15x10 i have had non of the problems you speek of with the tire roll i run 8psi.getting 15x12 wheels is not a problem becaus i build the wheels. if i had the atitude of loosing there is no reason to go.

Originally posted by wngrog


I have wheeled both east and west and I can say that the guys in the east WAY overbuild and over-gas their rigs on most of the stuff I have seen.



Nolen,

Seeing you write this is funny to me...:flipoff2:


Can you say LT1 and rev-limiter in the same sentence? :smokin:

All you guys better watch out! I am gunning to knock some folks back in points standings (HEAR THAT?THATS ME KNOCKING YOU DOWN IN POINTS, I SEE YOU GUYS LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDERS ALREADY)! I am coming out with vengance this go around. This one is practice for the newly rebuilt, modified rig!!
I think if you show up and have a damn good time its worth it. I go out and plan on driving like a MOFO and having fun. It is like a big ass trail ride to me
I dont think you have to have a competition rig to compete. I have 1 Jeep and it sees trails in Tellico, Windrock, Summertown, Monteagle, Dayton, Montrose CO, and competes at ERoCC. There are a lot of guys on the east coast that over build rigs. I dont see the problem with that! I do have a problem with the guy that builds his 1st rig w/ 44" tires. He most likely will not develop any driving skills. You take that guy out of his 44" tire shod truck and put him in something w/ 35's he'd get stuck on a street curb!
Enough of the rig smig crap. Get them out, show up @ ERoCC and lets have a FAWKIN GOOD TIME!!!! Rocky

Originally posted by RockYJ
All you guys better watch out! I am gunning to knock some folks back in points standings (HEAR THAT?THATS ME KNOCKING YOU DOWN IN POINTS, I SEE YOU GUYS LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDERS ALREADY)! I am coming out with vengance this go around. This one is practice for the newly rebuilt, modified rig!!
I think if you show up and have a damn good time its worth it. I go out and plan on driving like a MOFO and having fun. It is like a big ass trail ride to me
I dont think you have to have a competition rig to compete. I have 1 Jeep and it sees trails in Tellico, Windrock, Summertown, Monteagle, Dayton, Montrose CO, and competes at ERoCC. There are a lot of guys on the east coast that over build rigs. I dont see the problem with that! I do have a problem with the guy that builds his 1st rig w/ 44" tires. He most likely will not develop any driving skills. You take that guy out of his 44" tire shod truck and put him in something w/ 35's he'd get stuck on a street curb!
Enough of the rig smig crap. Get them out, show up @ ERoCC and lets have a FAWKIN GOOD TIME!!!! Rocky i will be there lets see you do your thing .every body get ready cause im commin out to put up teem reaper frankie fountain driver mike ward spoter.:mad2:

Originally posted by 350Samurai

Maybe you can give Shupe a run for his money.

Shupe spanked the field at this past weekends RRCA event... he'd definitely the guy to shoot for!!

Most of the people on the east coast over build and over gas because traction is at a premium here. Like Tellico, most of the time it is covered in slick mud on rocks that are smooth as glass to begin with. This means the only way to get over something is to gas it hard, which in turn means you need a heavy built rig to withstand the punishment. If you ever get there and it is dry, feel lucky... all most never happens.

Mike C

Originally posted by frankie fountain
95'' track width

Holy shit! You're wider than Bulldozer (oops, I meant toploader4x4) Shit they had to cut down trees at the first event just so he could fit through the trail TO an obstacle :laughing: (that was funny). What's your turning radius and have you competed with that before :eek:

Originally posted by bigdude


Holy shit! You're wider than Bulldozer (oops, I meant toploader4x4) Shit they had to cut down trees at the first event just so he could fit through the trail TO an obstacle :laughing: (that was funny). What's your turning radius and have you competed with that before :eek:

The trac width is actuallty 93", and it will turn completly around in a 16 ft circle. No real competitions yet, but I dominate all that I have seen.

Originally posted by frankie fountain


The trac width is actuallty 93", and it will turn completly around in a 16 ft circle. No real competitions yet, but I dominate all that I have seen.

Bawahahahahahahaha :laughing:

I wouldn't go into this calling yourself the dominator if your rig hasn't seen competition yet :D :flipoff2:

When running unlimited we have a track width of ~76" and 106" WB, there are times when it's way too tight for us :eek:

Nah... let him talk domination like that... just gives Sweet D and I something to remember when we are laying out the cones for the course. :evil:

Originally posted by jeepinchad
Nah... let him talk domination like that... just gives Sweet D and I something to remember when we are laying out the cones for the course. :evil: put the cones where you want them if you do it to hurt wider machines then i'll just dig out the course or we can just get along, thats up to you. Are you people prejudist against width, or are you worried that a four wheel steer wide machine will spank your ass? whats with the points for rear steer? Lets give penalty points for lockers or what about points for narrow width or penalize us for having a v-8. If the course is'nt wide enogh for my machine, then i'll put in 2 wheel drive, and dig it out so bad that anyone behinde me will have to have 44"s. shoop- has a bad ass rig but ,are you laying course out for his machine? Anybody on my side? They will most likely not let me register or fail my rig now but wtf do I care. Does this piss you off, then good I did what I wanted to do.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by frankie fountain
put the cons where you wont theme if you do it to hurt wider machines then ill just dig out the course or we can get along.thats up to you. are you peaple pregadist about widht are you worid that a four wheel steer machine will spank your ass whats with the points for rear steer?lets give points for lockers or what about points for narrow width or make up whatever you like .2 wheel peel diger out till you will have to have 44''or back off and be fair.shoop- has a bad ass rig but ,are you laying course out for his machine.?any body on my side?they will most likly not let me register or fail my rig now but wtf do i care .does this piss you of then good i did what i wonted to do.:flipoff2:

I'm not entirely sure I understand everything in your post correctly, but I would say that they seem to penalize rigs that are wider by laying out the cones for a narrower track. I'm not sure why this is, I've often wondered about it...... it seems to me that if they laid out the cones wide enough so that something with full width axles could make it through, then EVERYONE would be able to make their rigs cheaper by just using full width axles (instead of having to cut them down), wouldn't that make it easier for everyone to compete?? Seems like right now if you want to compete and have reliable axles, you have to narrow 60s or whatever, and that does get expensive..... just a thought.

Originally posted by frankie fountain
put the cons where you wont theme if you do it to hurt wider machines then ill just dig out the course or we can get along.thats up to you. are you peaple pregadist about widht are you worid that a four wheel steer machine will spank your ass whats with the points for rear steer?lets give points for lockers or what about points for narrow width or make up whatever you like .2 wheel peel diger out till you will have to have 44''or back off and be fair.shoop- has a bad ass rig but ,are you laying course out for his machine.?any body on my side?they will most likly not let me register or fail my rig now but wtf do i care .does this piss you of then good i did what i wonted to do.:flipoff2:

:crybaby: :crybaby2: :crybaby: :crybaby2: :crybaby: :crybaby2: :crybaby:

Originally posted by frankie fountain
then i'll put in 2 wheel drive, and dig it out so bad that anyone behinde me will have to have 44"s.

I read it 4 times and finally figured out what you are saying.



First off- How the fuck do you think you can rut up SOLID ROCK :shaking:



Secondly- If you do make some ruts in soft ground with your 44's, your so fucking wide everyone can drive in between them jackass :laughing: :laughing:



Big deal about having 4 wheel steer. There was a fellow in the first comp with it, about as wide as you also, rolling on 48s. Yeah he ended up rolling and wasn't doing very well in the points anyway :flipoff2:


You set up gates to make competitors drive through ROUGH areas with skill. If you can make the gates 20 feet wide and not allow a bypass to the tough stuff, then you do. The thing is you make them 10 ft everywhere for wide-widetrack vehicles, then the narrower guys squeeze right around all the tough stuff and get fewer points anyways. Full width axles do not have a problem in these courses. However, I'm full-width with 3.5" BS on 10" rims and my Jeep barely pushes 84". Anything over 90" is just obscenely wide and you can't set cones to accomodate them or you run into what I described earlier with the narrower rigs.



Keep crying frankie :crybaby: We'll all be laughing though when your whining ass isn't on top. So make sure you save a few tears for the competiton also:flipoff2:

Hey, I've got a better idea.................Have everyone run a stock open dif rig. Then everyone could compete. We could have all the events in mall parking lots all over the nationNOT! :rolleyes:

The bottoms line is if you want to play you need to adhere to the rules not try to change them to what will fit your rig the best. As far as trying to make the comp rigs cheaper to build, come awn, nothing about this sport it cheap. If you don't have the money then stay home and just talk about how good you would have been :rolleyes:

Originally posted by bigdude


I read it 4 times and finally figured out what you are saying.



First off- How the fuck do you think you can rut up SOLID ROCK :shaking:



Secondly- If you do make some ruts in soft ground with your 44's, your so fucking wide everyone can drive in between them jackass :laughing: :laughing:



Big deal about having 4 wheel steer. There was a fellow in the first comp with it, about as wide as you also, rolling on 48s. Yeah he ended up rolling and wasn't doing very well in the points anyway :flipoff2:


You set up gates to make competitors drive through ROUGH areas with skill. If you can make the gates 20 feet wide and not allow a bypass to the tough stuff, then you do. The thing is you make them 10 ft everywhere for wide-widetrack vehicles, then the narrower guys squeeze right around all the tough stuff and get fewer points anyways. Full width axles do not have a problem in these courses. However, I'm full-width with 3.5" BS on 10" rims and my Jeep barely pushes 84". Anything over 90" is just obscenely wide and you can't set cones to accomodate them or you run into what I described earlier with the narrower rigs.



Keep crying frankie :crybaby: We'll all be laughing though when your whining ass isn't on top. So make sure you save a few tears for the competiton also:flipoff2: what the fk do you know about rocks swomp boy.hey jackass theres dirt at some of the rock obsticals .the cone layer said he was going to fk me on cone laying.so what if narrow has a advantage its there advantage if cones are a little wider or make a class for real world trail machines.so go fk your self jackass. thiswas all friendly in the beggining but dumbass's have an opinion to so i heard you so shut up.

Originally posted by bigdude
You set up gates to make competitors drive through ROUGH areas with skill. If you can make the gates 20 feet wide and not allow a bypass to the tough stuff, then you do. The thing is you make them 10 ft everywhere for wide-widetrack vehicles, then the narrower guys squeeze right around all the tough stuff and get fewer points anyways. Full width axles do not have a problem in these courses. However, I'm full-width with 3.5" BS on 10" rims and my Jeep barely pushes 84". Anything over 90" is just obscenely wide and you can't set cones to accomodate them or you run into what I described earlier with the narrower rigs.


That makes sense, now that you've pointed it out - make it wide enough for full widths and you are in essence giving the narrower vehicles an edge.

That's too bad, it would be cheaper if you didn't need custom axles, and this might possibly be an impediment to more people coming out.

I realize what you're saying, I've been a competitor in many types of motor sports, I know what it takes, and I agree that you have to build to what the rules are. BUT the reason why a lot of these points come out is simply because the post itself poses the question: why are more people not coming out? In other words, most people in this thread (frankie notwithstanding) are just trying to answer on topic, that's all. So cost could be one of those factors keeping eastern competitors away. Saying 'if you can't afford it, don't come' is fine, as long as you are not actually trying to solve a lack of competitors problem. If you are trying to solve a lack of competitors problem, then saying, in essense, 'you're reasons for coming are not valid' doesn't really solve that problem, does it?

Originally posted by ChadLloyd

That's too bad, it would be cheaper if you didn't need custom axles, and this might possibly be an impediment to more people coming out.



Are you saying you'd need narrowed axles to be competitive? What about just running narrow tires, on narrow rims, with lots of backspacing? For example, a 38.5X11 TSL on 15X15 rims with 2.5" of BS compared to say 38.5X11 Boggers on 16X7 rims with 4.5" of BS. You'd have about the same diffy clearance with both setups. But, your rig would be about 1.5 FEET narrower overall on the narrower tire/rim setup. Granted, my examples were at the extreme opposite end of the spectrum, but you get the picture.

As for the cost involved, well that's why they have different classes. Kind of like with mud racing. You wanna run 44" tires and open headers? Well, don't complain about the guys in your class with 2,800 lb Jeeps with 632" Roller Motors. Wanna be competitive with your "stock" truck? Drop down to the "street" class.

TEX

the distance the gates are hve been this way from the get..... you build a vehicle to suit the needs of comp.... they arent building gates to hurt wide, they have always had them that wide.....lots of :crybaby2: out there...... just fawkin wheel

Originally posted by frankie fountain
what the fk do you know about rocks swomp boy.

Well my team is #106 and we are 5th in ERoCC series points. Sounds like you should :insert foot in mouth: jackass :flipoff2:


I was having fun, then you got your panties in a bunch

:scrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:

Bunchless panties aisle 3

:scrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:

Partners wife is due any day now so I'm spotting in Legends for another guy this event. We'll see you in the finals, if you qualify :laughing:

Hey Frankie
Don't pay any attention to those guys they're always like that, they're not singling you out.
Toploader4x4 is a buddy of mine and he has rockwells with a 91" width and a 120" wheelbase without rear steering.
He is 8th in points right now.
I say bring your truck and show 'em how to do it.

Originally posted by 350Samurai
Toploader4x4 is a buddy of mine and he has rockwells with a 91" width and a 120" wheelbase without rear steering.
He is 8th in points right now.


Not trying to talk smack but if you look at the top 4 guys they are really the only ones who deserve any credit. They are the only ones who've done BOTH events and finished high. The rest are really just in the top ten because they've done both events and the high placing new comers to the last event need this next one to move up (because it's a second score in the series). I'll give our team a little credit because we've finished 5th and 10th :flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


Not trying to talk smack but if you look at the top 4 guys they are really the only ones who deserve any credit. They are the only ones who've done BOTH events and finished high. The rest are really just in the top ten because they've done both events and the high placing new comers to the last event need this next one to move up (because it's a second score in the series). I'll give our team a little credit because we've finished 5th and 10th :flipoff2:

Are you guys gonna bring your team out west to compete sometime?

The narrowest gate set at ERoCC is 112".

I think that is the widest gate you will find at any of the established competitions.

After the first event we heard some complaints that the cones were too tight and that we were making up for an easy course by making the cones tight. So at our June event we made the cones wider and the obstacles longer and more difficult. Guess what happened? The scores of the best two drivers WENT DOWN. Just what we figured. If you move the gates wider, it makes it much easier for the standard sized vehicles to maneuver.(which is what Big Dude said) If we make them too wide we wind up with 10 finishers with 0 points tied for first. There have been other events that have had that problem - too many competitors tied for first with identical scores on all the obstacles. That's what you get when the gates are too wide. You also wind up with people that have big pocketbooks who can't drive winning the event because they can afford to have the biggest vehicle.

This sport originated from trail riding and was meant to test both the engineering of a vehicle and the drivers skill. If you make the course a straight line with 20 feet between the cones, you don't test a driver's skill - you only test how large a vehicle's tires are and how big the engine is.

This is rock crawling. The courses should be full of turns and twists and off-cambers and the only way to make that happen is to define a course with cones. If you want to drive straight up a hill, go to Gravelrama.

Originally posted by bigdude


Well my team is #106 and we are 5th in ERoCC series points. Sounds like you should :insert foot in mouth: jackass :flipoff2:


I was having fun, then you got your panties in a bunch

:scrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:

Bunchless panties aisle 3

:scrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:

Partners wife is due any day now so I'm spotting in Legends for another guy this event. We'll see you in the finals, if you qualify :laughing: how long do i have to leave my foot in my mouth?hey im sorry for the foul mouth i get panties in a wode to easy im going to quit bitchin and wheel the hell out of my rige.hey gate keeper i wood never try to realy dig out cours thats just my hot head talking can you widen the gates a little just kiding .the domanation we where speaking of is just in our aria this is what we mean by domanation peaple who know me understand i will do whatever it takes to get the job done.if the gates make my machine less likly to win then this makes me work harder to win.hey 2.5ton sammy thanks for your support if i pist any body off i ment it at the time,but i have cooled down and now i do not mean it . i am not here to make enemies but friends so IM SORRY.;) wish us luke sounds like were gona need it.

Originally posted by frankie fountain
SNIP.the cone layer said he was going to fk me on cone laying.END SNIP

hahahaha... did someone read a different post than I did? I don't remember saying I was gonna put the purple headed warrior to you. Lighten up before the event, will ya'. We are here having fun. I was just saying that someone who talks domination just gives Sweet D and I that much more incentive to build a tougher course. Besides, our goal isn't to screw you... our goal this go around is to get Ken Shupe above 40 points for the competition. :D

Originally posted by frankie fountain
how long do i have to leave my foot in my mouth?hey im sorry for the foul mouth i get panties in a wode to easy im going to quit bitchin and wheel the hell out of my rige.hey gate keeper i wood never try to realy dig out cours thats just my hot head talking can you widen the gates a little just kiding .the domanation we where speaking of is just in our aria this is what we mean by domanation peaple who know me understand i will do whatever it takes to get the job done.if the gates make my machine less likly to win then this makes me work harder to win.hey 2.5ton sammy thanks for your support if i pist any body off i ment it at the time,but i have cooled down and now i do not mean it . i am not here to make enemies but friends so IM SORRY.;) wish us luke sounds like were gona need it.

I can feel the love already. It's all good.

Originally posted by jeepinchad

Besides, our goal isn't to screw you... our goal this go around is to get Ken Shupe above 40 points for the competition. :D

Based on that logic: The NBA shoulda raised the basket then when Wilt the Stilt was in the game. On the other hand Nascar gives the other competitors some help.

I think I know what you meant, but to read it, well..................

Hey Chad and Tim, I heard the revised rules were sent to some via e-mail, please point us lowly "Legends" guys to them.

See ya there,

Sounds like Frankies going to be a fun guy to get drunk with at the tech inspection. :D

Give him a 12 pack then start ripping on his rig :D He'll be running laps around the parking lot cursing up a storm :laughing:

Originally posted by SpaceGhost


Based on that logic: The NBA shoulda raised the basket then when Wilt the Stilt was in the game. On the other hand Nascar gives the other competitors some help.

I think I know what you meant, but to read it, well..................

Hey Chad and Tim, I heard the revised rules were sent to some via e-mail, please point us lowly "Legends" guys to them.

See ya there,

The rules were mailed to everyone on Monday, so you should get them soon.

Originally posted by TrailKeeper


The rules were mailed to everyone on Monday, so you should get them soon.

Thanks Tim, I misunderstood the source to say e-mailed. Just as you stated they were in my mailbox!

Thanks,

our goal this go around is to get Ken Shupe above 40 points for the competition
I bet if we take his front driveshaft out we can accomplish that!! :flipoff2: ;) (maybe)

Originally posted by bigdude
Sounds like Frankies going to be a fun guy to get drunk with at the tech inspection. :D

Give him a 12 pack then start ripping on his rig :D He'll be running laps around the parking lot cursing up a storm :laughing: 12 pack hell just 2 will do.hey i woud like to ask aquestion can i show up and pay or do you have to preregister?its sorta late to mail a check. please tell me i will be good :flipoff2:oops i ment ;) hell give me three i think i can handle anotherone hey i have another question can i have one more:smokin: hell im startin to feel the love.

Originally posted by SpaceGhost


Based on that logic: The NBA shoulda raised the basket then when Wilt the Stilt was in the game.

There actually was a rule change brought about because of Wilt. He had a 100% free throw percentage as a freshman in college. At that time, you did not have to LAND behind the foul line on freethrows, you just had to SHOOT from behind the line. Wilt could take off from behind the line & dunk :eek:

TEX

There was another rule that was also instated because of Wilt. It used to be legal on an inbounds play to throw the ball over the back of the backboard. Well, with Wilt, they'd throw it over the top of the backboard, and Wilt would jump up and "guide" it into the hoop. Shortly after, the imaginary out of bounds plane above the back of the backboard was instituted.:zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

Originally posted by frankie fountain
hey i woud like to ask aquestion can i show up and pay or do you have to preregister?its sorta late to mail a check.

I would like to know the same thing. I still need to finish mine, so I want to make sure I can enter if I get done with it.

Mike C

Originally posted by snobrder


I would like to know the same thing. I still need to finish mine, so I want to make sure I can enter if I get done with it.

Mike C

You can pre-register and pay with a credit card online, which will guarantee your spot.

If you don't want to use a credit card you can mail your check today or tomorrow and I will get it in time.

Frankie, I have your pre-registration so send your check in and I will get it in time, no problem. If you want to pay with a credit card, let me know and I will send you an e-mail with a link you can follow to pay with a credit card.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks!
Tim

Is the drivers meeting on Friday??? If so, can I have someone stand in for me? I may not be getting there till around 10pm on Friday.

Mike C

Originally posted by snobrder
Is the drivers meeting on Friday??? If so, can I have someone stand in for me? I may not be getting there till around 10pm on Friday.

Mike C

The driver's meeting is Friday at 6:30PM, after the tech inspection, which is from 3PM to 6PM. That's Eastern Daylight Savings Time.

Someone can stand in for you at the driver's meeting, but your vehicle needs to be tech'd. If you don't get your vehicle checked out on Friday, you will be tech'd on Saturday morning after the competition has started, which means you may have to use breakdown time, or miss a few obstacles. You are not allowed on the course until you are fully paid, tech'd, and have all of your paperwork complete.

Tim