I'm thinking that it's possible that sometime in the next presidency, I may lose the ability to buy black rifles...or even rifles all together...

I have a trust fund...it's supposed to be for when I graduate(in 3 years) it has ~$60,000 in it... It's supposed to be a down payment on a house when I graduate.

I'm thinking I should take maybe $3000 out of it and put it into black rifles.

So what should I think about buying?

I have an AR and am building 3 ak's. I'm thinking Saiga 12, FAL with izzy furniture and SOCOM 16, and maybe an AR-10 lower and a few AR lowers as an investment(if there's anything left)?

What say you PBB?

If it were me, I would buy nothing but receivers. The rest of the parts can't be regulated.

Bingo!! What he said...

If it were me, I would buy nothing but receivers. The rest of the parts can't be regulated.

I'm not doing this as an investment.... I'm doing this as, I want to get a few guns that I think are bad ass before I can't get them anymore...

I'm mostly just asking if you guys think there are any other EBR's out there that I should look into maybe...

Receivers, agreed.

For me personally, I'd ask myself whether I was buying for "bling" or functionality/SHTF/firepower. There are a few rifles I'd like to have that I consider to basically be novelties or indulgences for me. There are a few more that are more practical. Still a few more I am considering because I think they will be the first to wind up on a list.

Mags and ammo are also a consideration of mine.

If it were me, I would buy nothing but receivers. The rest of the parts can't be regulated.
yet.

Receivers, agreed.

For me personally, I'd ask myself whether I was buying for "bling" or functionality/SHTF/firepower. There are a few rifles I'd like to have that I consider to basically be novelties or indulgences for me. There are a few more that are more practical. Still a few more I am considering because I think they will be the first to wind up on a list.

Mags and ammo are also a consideration of mine.

I understand what yall are saying for recievers...maybe I'll just see about getting a DSA reciever for a FAL and worry about getting Pete to build it later LOL...but I also worry about getting parts kits down the road for something like that... the AR-10 not as big of a deal getting parts later on... What about M14's...can you get just a stripped reciever for them? What about building them? I really know nothing about them...

The Saiga is mostly just for coolness factor... The other two are kind of a combo...

But honestly I plan on the AK's being my families go to SHTF weapons... I'll have 3 and my brother will have 1, so we'll be able to arm ourselves and 2 others with the same mags and ammo......

The best we can do is try to anticipate what route they'll take in attempting to disarm us. Receivers first is my best guess. Barring that, a back-door ammo restriction such as we saw attempted last summer, or more bans on hi-caps. Perhaps the best question would be "what can the president achieve unilaterally with the stroke of a pen?"

.50 Bmg. :)

If it were me, I would buy nothing but receivers. The rest of the parts can't be regulated.

Not to throw a match into the gas, BUT....


Yes they can.
Same way a mg sear IS a mg and the same way a baffle IS a silencer.

I thoink it would be very hard to do...but it is possible.

I think investing in AR, FAL, PTR, M14 receivers is a good idea.
AKs you can make from flat steel. Since its home made with no date or serial number recquired you can always say you made it in 2005 after the last ban.

This discussion is related to my Political SHTF fwiw :D

Perhaps the best question would be "what can the president achieve unilaterally with the stroke of a pen?"


Hmmm, just off the top of my head:
Invade another country, suspend state and local rule, tap phones, declare US citizens don't have the right to a quick and speedy trial, torture,...

They are called Executive Orders and have the force of law without being passed by Congress. And it takes a law passed by congress to over turn them, which the POTUS can still veto. Pretty scary stuff if you take the time to read them. Of course some are classified :(

Not to throw a match into the gas, BUT....


Yes they can.
Same way a mg sear IS a mg and the same way a baffle IS a silencer.

I thoink it would be very hard to do...but it is possible.

I think investing in AR, FAL, PTR, M14 receivers is a good idea.
AKs you can make from flat steel. Since its home made with no date or serial number recquired you can always say you made it in 2005 after the last ban.

This discussion is related to my Political SHTF fwiw :D

How much are M14 type receivers?



So for everyone else, this election obviously is important for gun rights. But we've still got a while before A) they are in office and B) a while before that bill can go through the house, senate, and then to el presidente. Oh, and most democrats realize that another AW ban will kill them. And we also have a SC decision that might say ANY gun is legal to own, in any state, and with any trigger group. It's unlikely, but possible. So while it is a good idea o stock up now (who doesn't need more guns :evil: ), quit being so damn paranoid (unless you want to buy me a gun :D )

How much are M14 type receivers?



So for everyone else, this election obviously is important for gun rights. But we've still got a while before A) they are in office and B) a while before that bill can go through the house, senate, and then to el presidente. Oh, and most democrats realize that another AW ban will kill them. And we also have a SC decision that might say ANY gun is legal to own, in any state, and with any trigger group. It's unlikely, but possible. So while it is a good idea o stock up now (who doesn't need more guns :evil: ), quit being so damn paranoid (unless you want to buy me a gun :D )

shhh

I still have stuff I am trying to sell.

shhh

I still have stuff I am trying to sell.

:D So whats an M14 receiver cost? And what will you toss in for free? :flipoff2:

shhh

I still have stuff I am trying to sell.

ever finish up a certain lower and package with a certain pistol?

ever finish up a certain lower and package with a certain pistol?

You bought a pistol? :rainbow: :flipoff2: Bring it up here so I can shoot it.

You bought a pistol? :rainbow: :flipoff2: Bring it up here so I can shoot it.

I'm waiting on a call from my FFL in another day or so. Then more ammo will be needed...in both .223 and 45acp if you know what I mean.:flipoff2:

there are a few local boys who strongly believe that either Clinton or Obama will win and guns will become endangered...therefore, they are already stocking up on receivers and parts sets.
Here is a SMALL list of what I KNOW they have already stored away:
1500 AR lowers
375 FAL uppers
1500 AK flats
1200 AK parts sets
1000 AR parts sets
500 FAL parts sets
6000 AR30rd mags
2500 FAL20 rd mags
4000 AK 30rd mags
well over 500,000rd of various calibers of ammo
most of this is stored in 3 seperate underground vaults that also contain MREs, bottled water, manually operated equip(vises, presses, etc) and BDUs and MOPP stuff...


I know, they are a bit looney, but they are young and have lots of moolah. These are the guys who bought all the .308 I recently advertised here. I have also sold them well over 500 CASES of 12 ga slugs over the last 4 months.

there are a few local boys who strongly believe that either Clinton or Obama will win and guns will become endangered...therefore, they are already stocking up on receivers and parts sets.
Here is a SMALL list of what I KNOW they have already stored away:
1500 AR lowers
375 FAL uppers
1500 AK flats
1200 AK parts sets
1000 AR parts sets
500 FAL parts sets
6000 AR30rd mags
2500 FAL20 rd mags
4000 AK 30rd mags
well over 500,000rd of various calibers of ammo
most of this is stored in 3 seperate underground vaults that also contain MREs, bottled water, manually operated equip(vises, presses, etc) and BDUs and MOPP stuff...


I know, they are a bit looney, but they are young and have lots of moolah.

Seriously now...would it hurt them to fucking share?:eek:

there are a few local boys who strongly believe that either Clinton or Obama will win and guns will become endangered...therefore, they are already stocking up on receivers and parts sets.
Here is a SMALL list of what I KNOW they have already stored away:
1500 AR lowers
375 FAL uppers
1500 AK flats
1200 AK parts sets
1000 AR parts sets
500 FAL parts sets
6000 AR30rd mags
2500 FAL20 rd mags
4000 AK 30rd mags
well over 500,000rd of various calibers of ammo
most of this is stored in 3 seperate underground vaults that also contain MREs, bottled water, manually operated equip(vises, presses, etc) and BDUs and MOPP stuff...


I know, they are a bit looney, but they are young and have lots of moolah.

Holy fucking christ on a pogo stick! :eek::eek::eek:

there are a few local boys who strongly believe that either Clinton or Obama will win and guns will become endangered...therefore, they are already stocking up on receivers and parts sets.
Here is a SMALL list of what I KNOW they have already stored away:

I know, they are a bit looney, but they are young and have lots of moolah.

Holy crap!:eek:

:tinfoil hat: you think you want to edit that list out? "They" may be watching...

there are a few local boys who strongly believe that either Clinton or Obama will win and guns will become endangered...therefore, they are already stocking up on receivers and parts sets.
Here is a SMALL list of what I KNOW they have already stored away:
1500 AR lowers
375 FAL uppers
1500 AK flats
1200 AK parts sets
1000 AR parts sets
500 FAL parts sets
6000 AR30rd mags
2500 FAL20 rd mags
4000 AK 30rd mags
well over 500,000rd of various calibers of ammo
most of this is stored in 3 seperate underground vaults that also contain MREs, bottled water, manually operated equip(vises, presses, etc) and BDUs and MOPP stuff...


I know, they are a bit looney, but they are young and have lots of moolah.

That is nuts. I can't even imagine the paranoia that would cause someone to think that stockpiling all that is a good idea.

"they" can watch all they want, nothing illegal has transpired.


they are constantly buying mags and ammo and haven't stopped for a while...


I did point out to them that the first AW Ban made it illegal to BUILD a prohibited weapon after the ban date, even if the registered section was made and purchased before the ban went into effect. If there is another ban, I am sure that will be in there as well. The BATFE learned that lesson back in 1985 when FA was banned...SWD was stamping out "flats" with serial numbers and had paperwork showing they were to become FA MG...only flew for about 75,000 pieces...that is why there are so many M11 FA out there.

That is nuts. I can't even imagine the paranoia that would cause someone to think that stockpiling all that is a good idea.

Hmmm, buy guns that will likely be outlawed after an election that has already been determined behind closed doors, or put money in the bank earning 1% interest, when we had double digit inflation in the last year. Guns are great investments, and the worse things get, the more valuable they are.

Dont forget about our candidates stances on micro stamping of ammo and confiscation. Oddly enough, of the 3, Obama is the only one of the 3 who voted no to the bill making confiscation legal at the federal level. (no, I do not know the details of the bill) Many states, SC and TN come to mind, are batting a statelevel microstamp law around.

Face facts guys, our government WANTS us disarmed and even if the SCOTUS rules in our favor on the second does not stop them from finding loopholes.

As a side note, according to Hillary, LEO's are 100% in favor of a total ban and confiscation of "assault weapons". What sucks is she is convinced handguns are assault weapons. (ok, so maybe sucks is a bad choice of words) This is the same woman who refers to the old AWB as the "common sense gun law". :laughing:

I get the funny feeling we are going to be a police state in the next 4 years.

I'm really sorry to chuckle at this, but I have to laugh everytime I read a thread that gets on this topic. Everyone in Canada seems to think the the US has such free gun rights and that everybody is armed and can do whatever they want.

When it seems that the reality is that in Canada I can get a gun and ammo easier, and the only hastle we get is registration at time of purchase.

I get the funny feeling we are going to be a police state in the next 4 years.


Next four?

You forget how many people learned from the mistake of having an end date on the AWB.
The next one wont have an end date, and I believe if it gets passed will be much tighter written. Basically "if a rifle can be configured to take over 5 rounds of ammo, its not for hunting thus must be an AW" I see the NRA rolling over and saying "yeah nothing wrong with that"

Phase 1, out law new manufacture.
Pahse 2, require registration of exisiting ie. AW are now NFA items.
Phase 3, change the NFA tax to 2000$ per transfer