OUCH!! lemme rephrase that.
I got a set of stock wag springs. the fronts are goin in the front. these rears look pretty nice, theyre a long, I'll have to relo some hangers and it should move the rear axle back some.
I notice the rears are soa w/ not much arch and the fronts are sua w/ some arch. looks like I'll lose about 2 " of lift in the rear.

Anyone try this?

Can't believe I beat everyone to it :)

Try a search, you'll find lots of info.

David

Whoa. Whoa. Wait a minute!

I was planning on using Wago springs all the way around but your saying if I got a set of Wago springs from like Superlift the rears are longer than the YJ hangers?

Can you use front Wago springs all the way around and now have to do that?

Old news. I had waggy fronts all the way around and decided to go with a longer spring. I slapped some new spring hangers on the frame and put some MJ rear springs on there. Didnt like that setup exactly and went with J-truck rears (same as F-150) The waggy rear would fit just as nice but they are just a little bit shorter I do believe.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
Old news. I had waggy fronts all the way around and decided to go with a longer spring. I slapped some new spring hangers on the frame and put some MJ rear springs on there. Didnt like that setup exactly and went with J-truck rears (same as F-150) The waggy rear would fit just as nice but they are just a little bit shorter I do believe.

Glad to see I'm not the only one temporarily tempting fate with the stock YJ cage :D

Originally posted by bigdude


Glad to see I'm not the only one temporarily tempting fate with the stock YJ cage :D


Yeah, well my cage guy has been really busy and we havent had the time to get it done yet. It is all drawn up and ready to be done its just a matter of time. It will be done this summer fo sho' :D

Hey Matt....so are you runnin F150 rears and waggy front? I got that set up sitting my yard, but I am concerned about height differences bewtween the 2.

My fronts are 44044 with MORE reversal. Rears are extended shakles in the stock location. The rear springs are almost totally flat. I left the spring untouched with the overload leaf and love them. I had to use a 1" block to bring the rear up a bit.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
My fronts are 44044 with MORE reversal. Rears are extended shakles in the stock location. The rear springs are almost totally flat. I left the spring untouched with the overload leaf and love them. I had to use a 1" block to bring the rear up a bit.

So if I am gonna use stock waggies and stock 150's you think they will be about even? Shit, will I even be able to cut enough for the 38's to fit? I can always add a few leaves off my FUBAR pro crap packs, but I was hoping to be a lazy ass and just slap it all in.

You may have to get the trusty old sawzall out. I could actually lower my jeep if i trimmed the rear of the tub more. Not sure exactly what I want to do right now. It is working perfectly so i probably wont screw with it. ;)

Yeah, I am definitely not afraid to cut it up, and I WANT to bring the heighth down. We will see :D

So to go full circle......has anybody actually used Waggy REARS?

right what keith said.

it looks like there is about 2" of height difference between the wag fronts and rears.

I had a friend of mine swap rears in the rear. After the swap he was having a bad WRAP problem (real bad). Plan on using some sort of anti-warp device.

Originally posted by PIG
I had a friend of mine swap rears in the rear. After the swap he was having a bad WRAP problem (real bad). Plan on using some sort of anti-warp device.

And where would one get a anti-warp device? :flipoff2:

Pssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh......Attention on deck......entering WARP SPRING phase 7......please evacuate all off road vehicles and wait for starfleet assistance :flipoff2:

Was your friend SOA? What was he runnin?

Originally posted by PIG
I had a friend of mine swap rears in the rear. After the swap he was having a bad WRAP problem (real bad). Plan on using some sort of anti-warp device.

and how did it flex? SOA?
did he relo hangers?

My rear springs dont wrap that bad at all. I dont have a wrap bar and at the moment dont intend on getting one. I also have a 4.0/auto so that helps a little. Seems like the manual guys have more spring wrap. The longer spring does contact the bottom of the frame on full stuff. Not a concern but the springs flex nicely.

Just a note on trimming. I run 44044s all the way around and trimmed my rear tub up to the top of the wheelwell. I could fit 42s if I wanted. You run those flat springs and sawzall for an afternoon you'll easily clear 38.5s

Originally posted by dmoulton
Can't believe I beat everyone to it :)

Try a search, you'll find lots of info.

David



you "beat everyone to it" cuz it was a valid question, there is lottsa talk on waggy fronts but NOT rears.

Originally posted by dmoulton
Can't believe I beat everyone to it

Try a search, you'll find lots of info.

David

Newbie love me post. If he can do a search flame post in less that 9/100 of a second he thinks you will love, and respect him.

I am used to being hated, and disregarded by now.

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Bonestripper


Newbie love me post. If he can do a search flame post in less that 9/100 of a second he thinks you will love, and respect him.

I am used to being hated, and disregarded by now.

:flipoff2:

Are you still talking?
:flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude
Just a note on trimming. I run 44044s all the way around and trimmed my rear tub up to the top of the wheelwell. I could fit 42s if I wanted. You run those flat springs and sawzall for an afternoon you'll easily clear 38.5s

Artent 44044's a 2 inch lift spring though? These are stockers

Originally posted by Keith Strong


Artent 44044's a 2 inch lift spring though? These are stockers

yep and stocks give you 2" so a 44044 shouold be 4" on a yj as I understand it, anyone?

"Newbie love me post. If he can do a search flame post in less that 9/100 of a second he thinks you will love, and respect him. "

Yeah, that was what I was going for :rolleyes:
Thought I read quite a bit about the springs on both ends in my searches, maybe not, but I'm not here to impress anybody, and it looks like it worked :)

:flipoff2:

David

I've got FSJ Cherokee rear packs in the rear(I beleive they are the same as the Waggy's). Moved the hanger foreward 2 inches, and ended up with about 2 inches reareward on the axle(Dana 44 dif just kisses the gas tank skidplate on full compression). The springs are much longer in the rear half, so they stick out past the frame a good 6 inches. I used the stock shackle mount for an 'L' shaped shackle that rests against a bumpstop on the underside of the bumper. I then mounted the stock length shackles off that. I removed the overload form the packs and they sit flat SOA. Very soft and tons of wrap, but am adding a traction bar so no prob there. Still under construction so not real world results yet.

Originally posted by dmoulton
Thought I read quite a bit about the springs on both ends in my searches, maybe not

wag FRONTS are poular to run at BOTH the front AND rear on yj's cuz they increase your wheelbase by about 4", no one seems to be interested in the rears much. I like the looks of em, there long, 7 leaf pack. I think they will flex up good, If i can figure out how to deal w/ the 2" in height difference, that may be why no one is using them, easier to just get another set of fronts for the rear.

Originally posted by Flip1YJ
I've got FSJ Cherokee rear packs in the rear(I beleive they are the same as the Waggy'. he springs are much longer in the rear half,

does not sound the same, these have centered pins (no offset).

Ok, Rockslut... Sow how long are the F150 springs and where is the centering pin? The gears are turnin:rasta:

I havent measured them....but the F150's I got are super long. Probly 2 inches longer on the short side and at least 6 on the long side :grinpimp: I plan to run the long side forward and move my gas tank up into the tub. :beer:

Originally posted by Flip1YJ
I've got FSJ Cherokee rear packs in the rear(I beleive they are the same as the Waggy's). Moved the hanger foreward 2 inches, and ended up with about 2 inches reareward on the axle(Dana 44 dif just kisses the gas tank skidplate on full compression). The springs are much longer in the rear half, so they stick out past the frame a good 6 inches. I used the stock shackle mount for an 'L' shaped shackle that rests against a bumpstop on the underside of the bumper. I then mounted the stock length shackles off that. I removed the overload form the packs and they sit flat SOA. Very soft and tons of wrap, but am adding a traction bar so no prob there. Still under construction so not real world results yet.

Got Pics? ;)

Originally posted by Keith Strong
I havent measured them....but the F150's I got are super long. Probly 2 inches longer on the short side and at least 6 on the long side :grinpimp: I plan to run the long side forward and move my gas tank up into the tub. :beer:

So, Your going to fab up a hanger 6" in front of the old ones, and it will still put the axle back 2":smokin: Let us know how it turns out, sounds good to me:D :D

Originally posted by kidwired


and how did it flex? SOA?
did he relo hangers?

Yup. Articulated pretty good. Here is the best pic I have. Notice that the rear hangar is just behind the skid plate. Those fawkers are long.
http://www.polyperformance.com/pig8.jpg

If I remember correctly, Monkeyboy is running on cherokee rears.
Something like 53" long?
In his words, "flexy as a gymnast in her prime."
Hey RS Matt, are you running buggies with that?

Originally posted by PIG
[B]Yup. Articulated pretty good. Here is the best pic I have. Notice that the rear hangar is just behind the skid plate. Those fawkers are long.

Does that move the rear axle forward?

Originally posted by Scott Maiden


So, Your going to fab up a hanger 6" in front of the old ones, and it will still put the axle back 2":smokin: Let us know how it turns out, sounds good to me:D :D

Noooooooooo :flipoff2: Extend the frame out back and incorporate a new rear bumper, rack, etc. Silly Fab Service and I are gonna have a beer drinkin weekend ;)

Originally posted by kidwired


Does that move the rear axle forward?

I don't think so. It looks to be in the same place.

hey keith, the front wag springs I got are 6 leaf. what are yours?

No buggy leaf on the rear. I used the factory shackle mount. I left my axle kicked back 2" like the front waggy springs did. My shackle mount is right behind the skid plate also. In this pick you can roughly see my front mount and rear shackle angle.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
No buggy leaf on the rear. I used the factory shackle mount. I left my axle kicked back 2" like the front waggy springs did. My shackle mount is right behind the skid plate also. In this pick you can roughly see my front mount and rear shackle angle.

proof positive that scoutdude really DOES drive a JEEP!!
I don't see the shackle.

Originally posted by Keith Strong


Artent 44044's a 2 inch lift spring though? These are stockers

Yeah so Take ~2" out of the lift and that would mean ~4" out of tire diameter. Clearance for 42's minus 4 = clearance for 38s. get it :D

Originally posted by bigdude


Yeah so Take ~2" out of the lift and that would mean ~4" out of tire diameter. Clearance for 42's minus 4 = clearance for 38s. get it :D

Got it ;)

Hey Matt....so you mounted your Fords short side forward? What is your gas tank clearance like with the 70? Any issues or things to consider? I can tdecide for sure which way I wanna go. :beer:

They are 7 leaf Kid. ;)

I mounted mine long side forward. I am not running rear shocks right not (long story) and i have only barely touched the gas tank a few times when i drop straight off something and bounce. Once i have rear shocks i highly doubt I would touch the tank.

Aggro- look very hard for the shackle. I would put a red circle around it but I dont have photo editor here at work.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
I mounted mine long side forward. I am not running rear shocks right not (long story) and i have only barely touched the gas tank a few times when i drop straight off something and bounce. Once i have rear shocks i highly doubt I would touch the tank.

Aggro- look very hard for the shackle. I would put a red circle around it but I dont have photo editor here at work.

KICK ASS! So you can run long side forward on the STOCK mount without killin the tank? Sweet. I am gonna start bolting mine up tonight.....I can extend the rear hangers with my buggies.

Oh, and I haven't run rear shocks since you had your 4runner :laughing: ;)

I run the long side forward and use the stock REAR shackle mount not the front spring mount. I just welded on new ones and cut off the old ones. Easy. Just pick up some weld on mounts from Foothill or something.

Originally posted by The Rockslut
I run the long side forward and use the stock REAR shackle mount not the front spring mount. I just welded on new ones and cut off the old ones. Easy. Just pick up some weld on mounts from Foothill or something.

Oh :( That wont give me the wheel base I am lookin for. Back to Fuel cell ;)

Originally posted by Aggro


proof positive that scoutdude really DOES drive a JEEP!!


That's a photochop!:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Scout Dude


That's a photochop!:flipoff2:


You wish! :D

Those IH guys are just like kids. You raise them correct and show them how to do things right. As soon as they are on their own they screw their lives up and buy an IH. Go figure! Was I a bad parent or something:confused: :flipoff2:

Rockslut,Which 150s are you using 3 or 4 leave?What about using 150s in front with the long to the rear?Any one done this?Thanks Blazin