RCAA and CalROCS announced Saturday night at the awards ceremony in Cedar City, that they have formed a sanctioning body that will combine/rewrite/create for the benefit of the drivers, rules and points scoring systems.

RCAA (Ranch Pratt) will conduct the National Championships as it does now.

CalROCS (Rich Klein) will conduct a western regional championship schedule.

Rocket City Rock Crawlers 4x4 Club (Hugh Greene) will conduct the south eastern regional championship schedule.

Other regions will be announced shortly.

Rich Klein
CalROCS

Unification... refinement... combined resources... Good stuff :cool2:

Please see that I edited the orginal.

Rich

So when are these changes going to take affect :confused:

Sometime soon, before the start of the next seasons sign ups.

Please remember that Rome was not built in a day.

Rich

:smokin:

:beer:

Sounds sweet :beer:- the sooner the better with the rules though. I am trying to figure out how to get a rig in next years comps and want to make sure I will fit the rules ..... :D

Please contact "trailkeeper" and "jeepinchad" on this board. They are the ERoCC organizers and don't need to be left out of this in case they miss the post

Good job:beer:

Bigdude,

Thanks for thinking of ERoCC. I spoke with Rich several weeks ago and Darrel from our organization spoke with Ranch last week. We are awaiting more details on what this sanctioning body will do and how it will operate. Especially in terms of how it will involve drivers and organizers of multiple events. An announcement is great, but there are a whole lot of details to iron out for this to work, like Rich said.

Tim

Originally posted by TrailKeeper
Bigdude,

Thanks for thinking of ERoCC. I spoke with Rich several weeks ago and Darrel from our organization spoke with Ranch last week. We are awaiting more details on what this sanctioning body will do and how it will operate. Especially in terms of how it will involve drivers and organizers of multiple events. An announcement is great, but there are a whole lot of details to iron out for this to work, like Rich said.

Tim

This sanctioning body, will be comprised of members who join and conduct events within "a region", vehicle classifications, safety rules and schedules will be first on the agenda. Drivers will always be allowed to participate anywhere they wish, Organizers "members" will be encouraged to hold more than one event, with regions coming together for a big title event to end the year.

And yeas there are many details to still work out.

Rich

So Rich, does this mean the class structures and rules will be the same across the board?

That is the plan, as far as those within the sanctioning body, at least. There will be some existing promoters that believe that they can do whatever they want or wish and will do so, power to them. I and a few others, are looking past the differences and trying to come up with what we believe will help the sport grow, we may be wrong, but we will try.

Please have patience while we develope this concept.

Rich

ps....I hope this made sense.

Rich,

Do you think drivers and/or teams should be organizing an association for the purpose of insurance? The one thing that troubles me is the fact the drivers are doing this without insurance. This may give us the ability to pool for a limited liability program like what we use in offroad racing.

With events being sanctioned by an organization like you and Ranch, with industry standards for safety and rules, we are more likely to get a program we can all afford.

Any ideas you have on this?

thanks,

tony k

Originally posted by TONY K
Rich,

Do you think drivers and/or teams should be organizing an association for the purpose of insurance? The one thing that troubles me is the fact the drivers are doing this without insurance. This may give us the ability to pool for a limited liability program like what we use in offroad racing.

With events being sanctioned by an organization like you and Ranch, with industry standards for safety and rules, we are more likely to get a program we can all afford.

Any ideas you have on this?

thanks,

tony k



Tony, My insurance guy has been working on this since before the Victorville event. I know of at least 30 teams that will sign up when and or if we can get it done.

Rich

I'm ready....The big problem seems to be finding someone to underwrite a program in California. This state has great insurance laws unless you are an insurance company.

Please let me know how it goes.

thanks again,

tony k

What ever you guys come up with I sure it will be cool, you guys put on a good show. Make sure that I can get the Zuk back in the stock Mod class...:flipoff2:

NHRA, PRCA, NASCAR, KART, and now, rockcrawling will finally get it's own nationaly know acronym! When will we get to purchase the officially licensed memorabilia?:D

Originally posted by FYRMAN
NHRA, PRCA, NASCAR, KART, and now, rockcrawling will finally get it's own nationaly know acronym! When will we get to purchase the officially licensed memorabilia?:D

:D :D :D soon :D :D :D

Cool!!! Rich again as I've said I'll be happy to help with drivers committee. It's nice to see some unification. Does this mean that Rcca is going to have a stock mod class?

Originally posted by Steve N
Cool!!! Rich again as I've said I'll be happy to help with drivers committee. It's nice to see some unification. Does this mean that Rcca is going to have a stock mod class?

Steve, Jeff Mello is heading up the drivers committee, please talk to him about the committee.

As far as RCAA adding a Mod Stock Class, I would not expect to see that happen. Mod Stock will be left for the regions to put together, with a championship in each region and an overall championship event held somewhere. As far as the western region CalROCS will be attempting to hold up to 10 events next season, but not as a series in the same context as this first season was, More like a group of quailifers or select small series within the framework of the 10 events. Say you want to run for a series championship, then you'll sign up for at least four of the events, ones that are located closer to your home base. We will have it all worked out before the Sept. finals at Donner Ski Ranch.

Rich

Rich

Originally posted by Big Rich
There will be some existing promoters that believe that they can do whatever they want or wish and will do so, power to them. I and a few others, are looking past the differences and trying to come up with what we believe will help the sport grow, we may be wrong, but we will try.

Really nothing wrong with either approach IMO, as long as everyone keeps an open mind. On the one hand, it's really good that some groups want to get together to standardize things like rules, etc. And it's especially good that they want to cooperate in terms of promoting each others events. But, having some outside groups keep their individuality isn't all bad, either.

I know from my mud racing perspective, I get calls every now & then from folks who want to know if it's okay to copy my rules for their group. Okay? Shoot, I encourage that. But, I'm still doing some things that nobody else wants to (like the bogs), and I'm not giving that up for any reason.

And with that in mind, I think it would be a shame if the rock-crawling groups that now have 3 classes were to drop one so they could conform to the groups that have just 2 classes, or even 1. Rather, I think it would be nice if all groups could agree on what all 3 classes should be, and then the individual groups could decide how many of those classes they want for their particular events.

That make sense?

TEX

Originally posted by TEX

But, having some outside groups keep their individuality isn't all bad, either.
But, I'm still doing some things that nobody else wants to (like the bogs), and I'm not giving that up for any reason.
And with that in mind, I think it would be a shame if the rock-crawling groups that now have 3 classes were to drop one so they could conform to the groups that have just 2 classes, or even 1. Rather, I think it would be nice if all groups could agree on what all 3 classes should be, and then the individual groups could decide how many of those classes they want for their particular events.
That make sense?
TEX

Makes perfect sense....I would never drop any classes, infact we're discussing opening one more. With everyone getting into the promotional end of the comp's, we are spreading the competitors out thinly. There is just not enough guys willing to step up to the plate in the big games, so if we do regionals, we hope to remove some of the excuses and get them to come out and try. If they like it, hopefully they will grow with the sport.
RCAA or example will continue to run their events as single class events, but we, the regional events will offer more classes and try to attract a larger overall group with smaller numbers in each class.

That make sense?

Rich

Originally posted by Big Rich

RCAA or example will continue to run their events as single class events, but we, the regional events will offer more classes and try to attract a larger overall group with smaller numbers in each class.

That make sense?

Rich

Yup. Kind of what we do in mud racing. When NMRO comes to Missouri, it's heavy on the top end with practically zero local involvement. The small-time, local events on the other hand, have little going on in the upper classes, but overall have way more machines participating. And my "regional" races are somewhere in between - decent involvement from both locals and traveling "pros".

TEX

I also think you may be onto something with some extra "in-betweener" classes. For example, if one group is using 2 classes & another group is using 3 classes, the group with 2 classes might not be able to just use 2 out of 3.

For example, if this were mud & one group were to cut the classes at say :

1) up to 33" tires
2) up to 38.5" tires
3) up to 44" tires

The group that only has two classes might want to have classes like this:

1) up to 35" tires
2) up to 44" tires

So, between the 2 groups, you have 4 different classes. And you guys, being a relatively new sport, have the opportunity to develop these classes (however many of them you'd need) in a coordinated way, so that any class called "Legends" would be the same, or at least almost the same, no matter where a competitor went.

TEX

and NWRCA?

Originally posted by Brandon
and NWRCA?

I think that the NWRCA as it was known in the past is probably gone.

CalROCS, with the help of the Washington natives is activitly seeking locations for regional events. I hope to make a trip up north shortly, to check out possible sites.

Rich

Originally posted by Big Rich


I think that the NWRCA as it was known in the past is probably gone.

CalROCS, with the help of the Washington natives is activitly seeking locations for regional events. I hope to make a trip up north shortly, to check out possible sites.

Rich

:eek: Cool beans!

Originally posted by FYRMAN
NHRA, PRCA, NASCAR, KART, and now, rockcrawling will finally get it's own nationaly know acronym! When will we get to purchase the officially licensed memorabilia?:D

I'm just waiting to pick up my Ertl Diecast of the shaffers offroad sammi, and the Lance Clifford, and Mike Shaffer action figures. :flipoff2:

Dallas

Just catching up on some old posts. Doesn't the UROC Series already do this regional event, national event thing?