hay uall i traded for a tubed out raider what can uall tell me about them spec wise

All I know about them is that they are Mitsubishi Monteros.
Travis..

All I know about them is that they are Mitsubishi Monteros.
Travis..

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I don't know a ton about them but they are Mitsus and don't really have anything in common with anything Dodge. You could be a little more specific and give us a little info about what you want to know about it...

Raiders are pretty rad, not many people like them though. Like a d-50 you can bolt a whole variety of good mitsu engines (gas or diesel) in there. You probably have the carburated 2.6L in it right now. Both 2L's, the carburated version, and the bouble over head cam, fuel injected, turbo 4g63 will bolt right in. They are found in eagle talons and the eclipse. Not all eclipse's came turbo'd. The mighty max 2.4L, I think it's the 4g56 or 63, will bolt right in. Not too mention that most of the parts from the 2.0 and the 2.4 are interchangable. If you like the 2.6 thats in there, but want a little more power. Find a starion/conquest 2.6 and swap it in there. It will be fuelinjected and turbo charged.Dont forget to grabb the intercooler. There are two diesel options. The 2.3L 4d55 and the later 4d56. People have swaped these engines fairly easy. The 4d55 is found in mid 80's power ram 50, mighty max, rangers, and early pajeros. The 4d56 are found mainy in later pajero's and montero's. The drive train sucks. Nobody makes anything after market for these vehicles. Only body lifts.
When I built my d-50, I divorce mounted some yota cases behind a two wheel drive d-50 tranny, and did a SAS. Thats what I would recomend to you if you want to seriously wheel this thing. When I get tired of my rig Im building a raider. If you need to know more check out 4x4wire.com, go to the mitsu section. Diesel swaps are in the mitsu diesel section. It would be cool to see someone build one of these.

thx it dose have teh 2.6 in it its for my son to wheel he is just 9 so its not going to be to hard core any way for now im leaving teh 31/10s on it till he learns more bout it ive seen that bout teh aftermarket thx again for the help

You probably have the carburated 2.6L in it right now. Both 2L's, the carburated version, and the bouble over head cam, fuel injected, turbo 4g63 will bolt right in. They are found in eagle talons and the eclipse. Not all eclipse's came turbo'd. The mighty max 2.4L, I think it's the 4g56 or 63, will bolt right in.

The 4g63 WILL NOT bolt in to a truck that has a 2.6L in it. My buddy did the swap on his truck and it is a lot more involved than you make it sound. It will however bolt to the transmission where some (maybe all? I've heard differing stories on this) 2.0L motors were.

The 2.4L 4g64 out of a later Mighty Max will bolt in where the 2.6L will because it has the bigger bellhousing bolt pattern that is more common among RWD applications where the DSM 4g63 has the smaller bellhousing bolt pattern that is more common to cars.

The first time my buddy did the swap he cut the bellhousing on the original 5 speed tranny and welded it back together. He did some more research after he welded it and found that it is made out of an alloy that is supposedly not weldable, but it held up fine for the 2 years that it was in there. The truck makes good power too so it isn't like it wasn't stressed. The automatic that is in there now is a whole different story which is also FAR from being a bolt in as well.

The 2.6L turbo from the Starion/Conquest would be as close to a bolt in as you can get. The biggest issue I have with this motor is the crappy EFI that is on this motor. If I were to ever consider using a 2.6L turbo motor I'd be going with a multi point intake and building my own EFI for it.

If I were going to do anything, I think I would try to stick a 6g72 twin turbo motor in one. Unfortunately, I think they are overpriced and refuse to pay what they want for one of the JDM motors, so until the price goes down to where I think it should be it isn't going to happen.

The TD motor would be an interesting option, but I've only ever seen one truck with one in it. I think it would be pretty hard to find parts for them in these parts at least.

The Dodge Raider is indeed made by Mistubishi. The 2.6L make 109HP at 5300(ish) rpm. I run 33's on my Raider, all stock. The gears are 4.625:1. Crawl range somewhere around 30:1. For additional info, look up the Mitsubishi Board on 4x4wire.com. :D

The Dodge Raider is indeed made by Mistubishi. The 2.6L make 109HP at 5300(ish) rpm. I run 33's on my Raider, all stock. The gears are 4.625:1. Crawl range somewhere around 30:1. For additional info, look up the Mitsubishi Board on 4x4wire.com. :D

thx so mine should have 4.62s in the axles what kind of tcase ill be running 33s on mine too as soon as i find a set of 36 tsl for my yota

thx it dose have teh 2.6 in it its for my son to wheel he is just 9 so its not going to be to hard core any way for now im leaving teh 31/10s on it till he learns more bout it ive seen that bout teh aftermarket thx again for the help

you bought your nine year old a car?:eek:

The 4g63 WILL NOT bolt in to a truck that has a 2.6L in it. My buddy did the swap on his truck and it is a lot more involved than you make it sound. It will however bolt to the transmission where some (maybe all? I've heard differing stories on this) 2.0L motors were.

The 2.4L 4g64 out of a later Mighty Max will bolt in where the 2.6L will because it has the bigger bellhousing bolt pattern that is more common among RWD applications where the DSM 4g63 has the smaller bellhousing bolt pattern that is more common to cars.

The first time my buddy did the swap he cut the bellhousing on the original 5 speed tranny and welded it back together. He did some more research after he welded it and found that it is made out of an alloy that is supposedly not weldable, but it held up fine for the 2 years that it was in there. The truck makes good power too so it isn't like it wasn't stressed. The automatic that is in there now is a whole different story which is also FAR from being a bolt in as well.

The 2.6L turbo from the Starion/Conquest would be as close to a bolt in as you can get. The biggest issue I have with this motor is the crappy EFI that is on this motor. If I were to ever consider using a 2.6L turbo motor I'd be going with a multi point intake and building my own EFI for it.

If I were going to do anything, I think I would try to stick a 6g72 twin turbo motor in one. Unfortunately, I think they are overpriced and refuse to pay what they want for one of the JDM motors, so until the price goes down to where I think it should be it isn't going to happen.

The TD motor would be an interesting option, but I've only ever seen one truck with one in it. I think it would be pretty hard to find parts for them in these parts at least.


Yeah. The Plymouth Arrow came with a single cam, carburated 2.0L. The D-50/Powerram 50, both came with 2.6L's. The Mighty Max came with the 2.4L. All these trucks are the same thing. Same exact body styles. Some had single head lights others had two, but all the engine and tranny mounts are the same, even with the raider. Same 2.6L. Your friend probably should have got a tranny from the Arrow and bolted it in. Sounds like it worked fine though.

The starion 2.6 has some issues with the efi, I agree. But there is a mitsu 4dr sedan that was sold in australia that had a 2.6 with a upgraded fuel system that bolts straight on.

I was wondering what a 6g72 is. Is that a 3000gt engine? I dont know, its hard to beat a 2.4L, de-stroked with a 2.L crank and turbo head, that can turn 9000rpms and crank out 400hp reliably on a stock bottom end. While handling 40lbs of boost, on pump gas.

Yeah. The Plymouth Arrow came with a single cam, carburated 2.0L. The D-50/Powerram 50, both came with 2.6L's. The Mighty Max came with the 2.4L. All these trucks are the same thing. Same exact body styles. Some had single head lights others had two, but all the engine and tranny mounts are the same, even with the raider. Same 2.6L. Your friend probably should have got a tranny from the Arrow and bolted it in. Sounds like it worked fine though.


The motor mounts are NOT all the same either. They had to be relocated as well. One block was wider than the other one IIRC. The 2.0L mounts might work, but I'm not 100% sure on that either. There were some differences between different 4g63s as well. Also, FWIW he has a Mighty Max and it came with a 2.6L. It depends on the year. You could also get some with a 6g72 in them.

We discussed using a 2.0L 5 speed tranny, but none were easily available and there was debate over the strength of those transmissions anyway (He did the swap almost 5 years ago now so info about those trannys may be more available now). It really makes no difference at this point anyway as there is an automatic in there now, which is the only way that turbo cars should be set up anyway. :grinpimp:

you bought your nine year old a car?:eek:

yes i did but there's a catch he has been drive my yota for bout a year now on and off round the house and on trail rides i had promised him 1 buy his 10th bday it just worked out that he got it early but he has to has a rider me or him mom for now any way he has drove my yota all over the obstacle course in Harlan and done really good teh way i see it is get him started now before he get to old to trach how to drive its easer now that when hes is 16

For the record I had a 1976 Plymouth Arrow that came form the factory with a 2.6 and a 5 spd. The Fire Arrow had 4 wheel disc brakes too.

yes i did but there's a catch he has been drive my yota for bout a year now on and off round the house and on trail rides i had promised him 1 buy his 10th bday it just worked out that he got it early but he has to has a rider me or him mom for now any way he has drove my yota all over the obstacle course in Harlan and done really good teh way i see it is get him started now before he get to old to trach how to drive its easer now that when hes is 16

Great job! My dad taught my brother and me how to drive the forklift at his work when we were 7 or 8. We used to go to work with him on saturdays to drive it. When you learn young, driving (or anything) becomes second nature.
Travis..

the worst drivers I know started learning in a fullsize car at 15-18+. the best I know have been driving garden tractors, snowmobiles, ATVs and full size cars starting as young as 6. I was steering the tractor from my dad's knees when I was 5, started doing it on my own at 7-8....

the worst drivers I know started learning in a fullsize car at 15-18+. the best I know have been driving garden tractors, snowmobiles, ATVs and full size cars starting as young as 6. I was steering the tractor from my dad's knees when I was 5, started doing it on my own at 7-8....

So What's your excuse then:flipoff2:

The t-case has high gears, like 1.77:1 or so. There is a 2.85:1 kit from MrBishi in Australia on the Outerlimits board. There are also 5.29 axle gears. Lloyd, on the 4x4wire board is running 35's, 5.29's and all on his 90 Montero 2-door.

I bought 5.29 gears for my V6 Mighty Max pickup from a guy in Japan. The factory four spider limited slip can be set up pretty tight and is very strong. A limited slip from a four cylinder rear axle will fit the V6 front axle. The limited slip from the back of a Starion will fit the front axle in a four cylinder truck.

For the record I had a 1976 Plymouth Arrow that came form the factory with a 2.6 and a 5 spd. The Fire Arrow had 4 wheel disc brakes too. I used the running gear from a 83 challenger in the 48 crosley project ive been working on , its a 2.6 with a chrysler 904 and disc brakes on the rear also..

Hi, I have a 1987 Dodge Raider with a 4 cyl. engine. I bought it with a blown head gasket. It had been rebuilt twice by the former owner who loved it, but did not feel like going for #3. I had the top end rebuilt, and it did not last long before blowing the head gasket. It was pretty wimpy and got pretty bad mileage as well. So now I'm trying to decide what to do with my Raider... should I get a replacement head and put a Weber carb (with it's adapter kit for the Raider) on it and try to improve this engine... or is there a better engine that you think I should put in it? I would like a few more horses if possible, since I think it is the wimpiest vehicle I've ever driven. It has an automatic transmission. My 88 Dodge Raider, also a 4 cyl has a manual tranny and can get up and go, that one is much more fun to drive. Thanks for any info ~ Selena

Selena,

The difference between the driver's seat feel of the automatic versus stick is quite noticeable, huh? There are some guys who run the turbo setup from the Conquest and Starion cars, warmed up to over 200 HP. You could check into that, and the auto is preferred for durability in the turbo case. I will PM you some other sites to visit.

Russell

Selena did you replace the head or just have it fixed? If it has jet valves the head can be cracked around those and cause repeated problems. The steel jet valves hold heat longer than the aluminum head and when the engine cools it cracks the head. Even the jet valve eliminators are not foolproof. Chrysler mini vans used the 2.6 Mitsu engine with no jet valves and Fuel Injection. If you can find an old one of those heads you will be in good shape. What ever you do make sure to have the head resurfaced before you install it and buy a quality head gasket. Lots of good info in the minvan section in Allpar on this.

hay uall i traded for a tubed out raider what can uall tell me about them spec wise

I have one i need to sell, thought you might know someone that might be interested.

So you decided to quote a post from over two years ago from a member that hasn't been active in almost a year? Pay attention.