The Marines have us scared right now, but I don't think they're the largest threat.

'Alternative Energy' is the new buzzword that's lookin to hurt us. There are currently plans in action for windmills and solar arrays (way bigger than the ones at Kramer Junction) to go into JV. Right now it looks like the farthest East they're lookin to go is around Camp Rock Road, but that's still bad. Looks like the BLM is selling land to private enterprises:mad3:

Basicly looks like BLM might be selling off OUR public recreation lands for private profit.

I'f the BLM is selling off land for private use I wonder what the price would be on the Heartwell Hills? Mabye the only way to be sure the Hammers stay open is to turn them into a private park. I wouldn't be overly happy about it but L would rather pay to go to the hammers than not go at all.

so... i hear those wind mills kill flocks of protected birds:evil:

The wind energy project in Johnson Valley is in the Fry Mountains.

You guys provided a lot of good information in December that has determined the proposed wind energy project in the Fry Mountains will not impact 4x4 recreation routes. The proposed project has one tower that is close to Crowbar.

However, there are significant impacts to other OHV opportunity from the proposed wind farm.

Overall, the project is also within the bounds of the area wanted by the Marines.

So, the wind farm is not a "bigger threat" as the Marine proposal would take precedence over the energy project.

Now, please keep in mind that there are many energy projects propsoed that will have a significant impact of recreation opportunities.

From my discussions with developers of several projects, they are WILLING to work with recreation interests.

We have a number of challenges to recreation opportunities. All challenges need to be looked at and addressed with there cumulative impact.

Remember the phrase "cumulative impact". A single project may not have an adverse impact on recreation activities. However, several projects can have a significant adverse impact if they are all considered in the broad scope.

Now, please keep in mind that there are many energy projects propsoed that will have a significant impact of recreation opportunities.


Remember the phrase "cumulative impact". A single project may not have an adverse impact on recreation activities. However, several projects can have a significant adverse impact if they are all considered in the broad scope.

Exactly, we are not so much worried about these "Alternative Energy" projects affecting Rock Crawling BUT:

1. the BLM is currently looking at ALOT of proposals.

2. We need to look at the entire Johnson Valley off highway vehicle recreational area, not just the Hammers.