OK, I think i got it figured out, take at look at the pic below and tell me what you think.

I want to keep the eye of the shackle about middle of the frame, or most likely in the bottom 1/4 of the frame. Just to reduce funky spring angle. This design is very similar to jIMMy's design, just a little higher on the frame. :D Whatcha think?

I am also looking at taking about 2 inches of suspension height out of it, compared to the way it sat before. The belly of the cruiser will be flat, completely, with a plate for a belly pan. Wheelbase should be in the 100 to 103 range, and for now the 44 and 12 bolt will go in with the 15/35 swampers, until I can afford to set up the dana 60/70 combo the way I want them (ARB's, 5:38's, disc brakes)

Why are you outboarding?

The farther out you are the less flex? I can see if there is problem with the springs hitting the FJ-60 axle, but is it a problem with the D44?

Originally posted by wngrog
Why are you outboarding?

The farther out you are the less flex? I can see if there is problem with the springs hitting the FJ-60 axle, but is it a problem with the D44?

I don't really want to cut into the housing on the 44. And I figure if I have to cut into a 44 then cutting into a 60 would be worse. Right??

Did you outboard your springs? Did you shorten the long side of the axle? Details man...:D:D:D Thanks

Originally posted by GloNDark


I don't really want to cut into the housing on the 44. And I figure if I have to cut into a 44 then cutting into a 60 would be worse. Right??

Did you outboard your springs? Did you shorten the long side of the axle? Details man...:D:D:D Thanks

Dude, you would be MUCH better off finding a "Hell for Long" D44 axle and just hacking off the long side and having a new axle made....you want Warn's and CTM's anyway, right?

Mine was all custom, 9" D60 hybrid...new tubes, etc..

Originally posted by wngrog


Dude, you would be MUCH better off finding a "Hell for Long" D44 axle and just hacking off the long side and having a new axle made....you want Warn's and CTM's anyway, right?

Mine was all custom, 9" D60 hybrid...new tubes, etc..

I am shooting for complete junkard parts. And yeah I could cut the front down and still get away with a junkard long side axle in the front. But in the rear I would be screwed. I ain't got the cash to carry spare custom axles in for the rear. :( So it's all gotta be pic-n-pul spares. :D

Gotcha.....still think you are better off not outboarding....

Originally posted by wngrog
Gotcha.....still think you are better off not outboarding....

yeah me too!! I am picking up the 60 this weekend, so once i get that I may change my plan....and get into the pumpkin a little. :D

I think that an aspect of the outboarding/non-outboarding equasion not considered is, that if you are outboarding to put wider axles in you will not loose that much flex. Yes, there is less flex with wider spaced springs, however, you will get more flex with the added leverage of wider axles. Will one aspect offset the other? Probably not. The net result is possibly less flex than keeping the springs inboard, but what the heck - flex is wildly over-rated anyhow:rasta:

dude ~ outboarding sprins is cheaper and u dont lose much of anything, cutting an axel down to fit = money plus shafts plus your not fully wide anymore, h ehe,

as for your idea it looks good something i might do to mine to help with pinion angle but be sure to keep the shackle far enough from teh frame when it twists over it doesnt rub the frame! jiMMy

I was thinking along the same lines as Krusty.

My springs will be like 3.5 inches wider, (If I remember correctly) but the axle is going to end up being like 11 inches wider. Will it offset it complete?? Probably not...Only time will tell.

Glo: There's probably some mathematical formulea of ratios that you could figure it out. Given your numbers, my gut reaction is that there will be no difference. And anyway, as JiMMy said (and he is the epimome of knowledge and good taste) you dont have to keep buying custom axles, and it is easier. KK

Originally posted by KrustyKruiser
Glo: There's probably some mathematical formulea of ratios that you could figure it out. Given your numbers, my gut reaction is that there will be no difference. And anyway, as JiMMy said (and he is the epimome of knowledge and good taste) you dont have to keep buying custom axles, and it is easier. KK

Cheap, plentiful axles, Hell I won't know what to do with myself....hahaha

Originally posted by GloNDark


Cheap, plentiful axles, Hell I won't know what to do with myself....hahaha

You are gonna need a good supply of axle shaft with those CTM joints! It's like SpaceGhost with his Longfields - now he is twisting-up inner axles! If it aint one thing, it's another!

Originally posted by KrustyKruiser


You are gonna need a good supply of axle shaft with those CTM joints! It's like SpaceGhost with his Longfields - now he is twisting-up inner axles! If it aint one thing, it's another!

will CTM's work with a stock shaft? My buddy told me the other day they wouldn't work. And well I haven't really looked into it yet. I got a little ways to go before then.

I am not sure how it will actually flex, but I sure do like the stance of the narrowed D60 in my truggy project. The springs are not outboarded. The long side was shortened 4.5" to yield a WMS width of 64.5" With 10" wheels having a 3.5" backspacing and 15" wide tires, the total width is 82.5" I personally would not want to be any wider, but I think this is a personal preference issue.

Originally posted by KrustyKruiser
I think that an aspect of the outboarding/non-outboarding equasion not considered is, that if you are outboarding to put wider axles in you will not loose that much flex. Yes, there is less flex with wider spaced springs, however, you will get more flex with the added leverage of wider axles. Will one aspect offset the other? Probably not. The net result is possibly less flex than keeping the springs inboard, but what the heck - flex is wildly over-rated anyhow:rasta:

No it's not....
:flipoff2:

Personally I am going to try my best to not inboard the 60 front that I have coming for my cruiser. So notching the housig is the best idea IMHO. And Yes I am going to strengthen the hell out of it.
Glo, look into a bronco (or possibly scout) long side. I think it will allow you to narrow your current housing to an acceptable width and you will still have junkyard axles and narrow spring pads.