Here's an update on the super birfields for your rovers. Bobby said there is no problem fixing the bell and the inner cage etc... He will be able to give the same gaurantee as the toyota super birfields(Longfields) but will not be able to gaurantee the stub axle! If you have any questions call Bobby at 253-847-8254

just talked to bobby (real nice guy especially since I called him so late) and he said that there were several people that he had all ready done the heat treating and modifications for. So my question is anyone on this board running them? Does anybody know how dangerous would it be to run these and not upgrade the axles (stock axles)? I have an arb up front so I'm not putting constant stress on it, but I am guess when I go fully locked that it's going to stress those axles pretty well. Has anyone gotten stock axles cryoed? I'm basically being a cheap rover bastard as usual and looking for a cheap way to upgrade my front end before I grenade it. Any replied will as always be appreciated.

-ben

Originally posted by birfields
Here's an update on the super birfields for your rovers. Bobby said there is no problem fixing the bell and the inner cage etc... He will be able to give the same gaurantee as the toyota super birfields(Longfields) but will not be able to gaurantee the stub axle! If you have any questions call Bobby at 253-847-8254

What, exactly, is the guarantee and will it be the same cost?

Johnathan

the garentee from what I understand is you break one you get a new one but I haven't looked it up exactly. His website is www.longfieldsuperaxles.com SO I guess look for info there and the pricing is 115 a side. I think it's the same as the cruiser ones. I have now heard of two breaking but that is with over 1100 of them out here and the two that broke are on vehicles during erroc so I'm impressed to say the least and talking to the cruiser guys all of them are keeping the stock axles and they seem to hold up pretty well. So that might be my route for a little while at least until I get some money to upgrade so more stuff. I'll be sending off my cvs next week to Bobby for him to modify. I'll post pics ect when I get tham back

-ben

edit:
this is a quote from the website "All sales previous of 4-22-02 will carry the lifetime warranty. All other sales will go as follows: You break 1, you get one free, You break another, you pay half price. Additional breakage will not be warranted"

So we send him a pair of CV's and he treats and/or replaces some parts on them? I now have GBR "Extreme Duty" front inner axles and would rather not spend $500 a side for his new and improved CV's that don't come with a warranty. What Cv's fit the outer splines of these axles? Sounds like the "Super Birfields" are a much cheaper alternative.

Maybe I'll just give him a call. Typically what is his turnaround time for the CV's?

Sounds like Mr. Greg (GBR) has a little competition to worry about. :) To bad for him good for you...

--D

yeah looks like a viable option after getting the opinions of several different poeple running them on Land Cruisers. Turn around time he said you send him the cvs he modifies them and can send them out the next day. Not bad turn around time there. Yeah and you send him the cvs and he modifies those. I'm defiantely sending mine out early next week when I put my truck down for redesign. I always thought that GBR and SG prices were a little on the high side for their stuff and I still heard about people breaking them. I think this is going to be a much better option if you want to stay with rover stuff.

-ben

Now my next question. Which of the Rover CV's will work on an axle that is 1.20"/23-spline versus the 1.030" of the stock axle. Is this a FC101 or Salsbury or what. This is the CV I need for the GBR Axles. I think the axles will hold up great for now, just the CV might break. And well since GBR's CV's will cost me $500/side I could probably easily pick up some CV's that will work and send them off for reinforcement.

Any ideas on the CV's?

I just talked to Bobby also.

The warrantee and price is same as the Toys.
BUT does not include a free new CV but free treatment to your replacement CV. This is because he doesn't have any rover CV's.
Interesting point is he said the Toy and rover cv's(32 spline) have the same size balls and cages.

lwg,
the rover 23 spline/1.20 dia inner axle work with the 110 CV's.
Any rover CV can be modified by Bobby, so if you got some of the 110 CV from the UK you could then send them to Bobby.
Guessing total would be around $500 for the new CV's and then the treament from Bobby.
I'm in this same boat as i have the mac inner 23 spline axles and no CV's. I think I'm going to order some new ones from the UK as soon as i decide what will be the best option.

Will these "improved" CV's fit in the swivel housing without any modifications to the housing?

Also what is the P/N for the D110 CV's? I looked at www.paddockspares.com and they list 2 D110 CV's. The first is
110 to axle 20L48865, the other is 110 frm axl 20L48866. The prices are 97 for the first and 125 for the second. This is in British Pounds of course.

yes they fit in with no modifications because he does not increase the size of the cvs

-ben

Originally posted by m016324
yes they fit in with no modifications because he does not increase the size of the cvs

-ben

actually he increases the length of the bell. Weather they fit is yet to be seen as they have not been trial fitted yet. I'm not saying they won't fit just it hasn't been confirmed.

Does anyone know of a good source in the states for early D110 CV's? Or is it just much cheaper to order them from the UK? I am starting to think that this is the route I want to take. I talked with Bill at GBR yesterday and he tells me his "Special" CV's won't be ready until mid-late August. This is too late for me. I want to get everything set-up and broke-in so to speak before the National Rally. Hopefully it won't just be broke.

I am thinking about just ordering 3 of the CV's from the UK so that I have a spare. Hell maybe I'll order 4 and won't worry about breaking anything.

The CV's you want are AEU2522's. There are two versions, genuine GKN and non-genuine. Price for GKN's will be in excess of 150 british pounds (not including shipping and duty). Non-genuines are about 70-80 pounds each from various sources.

Which to use? I recommend GKN's because of proven quality and longevity. Many mailorder places in the UK will say the non-genuines are just as good, but you never know who made them and to what standards.

Anything with a price below 100 pounds is definitely non-GKN unless they are used parts.

Blister

Thanks for the CV info. So does Paddock Spares have the best prices in the UK? This will be my first order from the UK and only have the Land Rover Mags as my guide (Scary). I have always heard on "other" boards that Paddock usually has the best prices and ships to the US quite frequently.

Also just to verify, the CV you mentioned will fit the ~1.20" outer spline of GBR's Extreme Duty axles. Bill tells me they are early type D110 CV's. Just want to verify before I have something shipped over here only to find out it is the wrong part.

Thanks for all the infor Blister!

Those are the correct CV's. They have the 23 spline cv ends. Make sure you order some of Bill's drive flanges, and the brass bushing that takes the place of the stub shaft roller bearings (he will know what you mean). You can get axles from Bill (MaxiDrive), or from Ashcroft (who also make 23/24 spline axles).

Be ready for the drive flanges to have a very tight fit on the ends of the outer axles. Mine were a bitch to put on, but have loosened up some with driving.

If you have trouble slipping on the flanges, let me know and I can walk you through how I did it.

BTW - let us know what price you get, and I may jump in with you on the order as well.

Blister

ps. Don't forget the cv's do not have an ABS ring either. And Bill at GBR may be able to give you a better price for the stock GKN AEU2522's then the imported price (plus shipping, duty, etc).

You will not be able to run alloy wheels with the 110 CV, as someone mentioned the stub shaft is longer than the stock one.

Johnathan

I am already running Steelies. I also could care less about the ABS ring. My ABS hasn't worked since my truck was drowned in the river. I really don't want it to work anyway. I'll call GBR and some of the UK companies tomorrow to get some prices. I'll report back with what I find in case anyone wants to order a few for themselves.

boby is wrong the toy and rover cage and balls are not the same size the rover ones are slighty smaller as is the star i have tried to put the toy cv guts in a rover cv and they would not fit. tried when i installed the toy diffs the 110cv's look like they might be the same but have not tried this yet.
Drew

So Drew, what are you saying? That the Toy CV's won't fit in the Rover. The D110 CV's will fit without the mod, what about with the mod? Also with the D110 I think you have to remove the bearing in the spindle and replace it with a bushing. Then it will most likely leak into the wheel bearings all the time. I don't know if this is good or bad.

i was only talking about the star cage and balls that the rover and toy's are not interchangable. as far far as fitting into the swivel ball i think that their is room for a bigger cv.

i think that for the early 110 cv you have to use the 110 spindle as well, that is what i am doing have not put it together yet so i am not sure what else needs to be done
Drew

hey did some post get removed? can't find some post from yesterday
Drew

Nope, you do not have to use the 110 spindles (actually called the stub axle). All you have to do is replace the inner needle bearing with a brass bushing and use GBR's drive flanges to use the AEU 2522's in the D90/Disco stub axles (spindles).

You may have to pull the inner axle seal out (mine were already out) to fit them so you will wash the wheel bearing with swivel grease (which is a good thing in my opinion). Just make sure you have a good seal on the flange (I use a thin bead of Right Stuff, not the paper OEM gasket).

Been there and done that, so I know it can be done.

Blister

ps. Here is all the parts you will need for the conversion:
2 AEU 2522 early 110 23 spline CV's
2 23/24 spline axles (from Ashcroft or GBR)
2 Drive flanges specifically for the 110 CV's
2 Brass bushings (avail. from GBR - not sure the part number)

Gentlemen:
I have made several purchases from Mansfield Motors with great success. Good prices and acceptable quality parts.

I was pleased to see that one poster commented about removing the stub axle seal to bathe the wheel bearings in swivel grease as this is something I had considered as an improvement to the front end. Has anyone had any prbolems with swivel oil migrating past the drive flange cap? Maybe this is the excuse I need to buy the GBR HD flanges with the screw-on caps!

Paul
'95 Disco
Maybe a Defender for the wife too, soon :D

the 110 stub axles have a seal in them to keep the swivel grease in the swivel ball. is their a problem with using these stub axles that i have not run into yet?

Drew

Just that you have to buy them (unless you already have them), and I am not sure they are of the correct dimensions needed to use the GBR Flanges. Are they the same "length" as the D90/Disco stub axles?

As far as the oil seal goes - so what! I have run without an outer axle oil seal front for more than 3 years without a problem. My wheel bearings have really enjoyed the bath. I had originally pulled the seal to use early RR 32 spline CV's in my D90 (cuz the oil seal surface was larger in diameter on the RR CV's).

Blister

Bill:
I hope I didn't offend you with my question about the oil migration (I am a newbie!).

Are you running 90 wt. in your swivels (and wheel bearings), or have you gone with the Corn Head Grease (one-shot grease)?

I'm currently using 90 wt in my swivels, but am considering going to the grease when I pull the stub axle seals out.

Paul
'95 Disco

So anyone try these out yet? Do they fit. I really want to know if I should try these or not.

Originally posted by Blister

ps. Here is all the parts you will need for the conversion:
2 AEU 2522 early 110 23 spline CV's
2 23/24 spline axles (from Ashcroft or GBR)
2 Drive flanges specifically for the 110 CV's
2 Brass bushings (avail. from GBR - not sure the part number)

So I'm probably going to do this very soon (this weekend). My question is this: Bill at GBR is supposedly out until Monday. I need these Brass Bushings that replace the needle bearings and oil seal in the stock stub axle.

What are they and who else would have them? Are they a Series Land Rover part? Are they off of a Salsbury front axle?

I wanna know. I kinda need to know.

Not sure if the brass bushy is a "real" part, or one Bill supplies himself. There was no part number on it, when sourced from Bill. What did you do about the drive flanges? Unless you got the maxidrive flanges from Bill or otherwise, you will need the 110 flangles, longer flange bolts, and the 110 thicker hub (it is about 1/2" thicker) and of course the longer flange plastic cap. If you try to use the D90 hub the cv will stick out of the flange way too far. You do not need the whole hub assembly that includes the disc brake, just the part from the surface of the disc brake out.

As far as oil seal goes, not sure on that one either - although you don't really need it anyway, as discussed earlier.

Blister

Blister,
Do you by chance have 2 of these bushings that you aren't using currently? Bill Davis is out of them and told me to contact Maxi-Drive in Australia and have them overnight them to me. This could be expensive.

Just looking for options.

Nope, sure don't have them (although I should keep some on hand). I do have the ones in my stub axles on the truck right now, and if I had not just serviced the whole front end and filled with new stuff, I would pull the stubs and send them to ya. Sorry.

Blister

Blister,
I was just in a panic to get these parts. I called GBR and he only had 1. He had me call Maxi-Drive and have some shipped Fed-Ex. They did and they should arrive at my house this Saturday.

Gotta love this Global Economy thing!

New 1-ton CV's should be here Saturday as well. I found a Spicer unit in the UK for 128 pounds ~ $198 each. Drive flanges ran about $30 each. I ended up ordering from Bearmach. They seem to have treated me right, we'll see when the order finally arrives.

Originally posted by lwg
Blister,
I was just in a panic to get these parts. I called GBR and he only had 1. He had me call Maxi-Drive and have some shipped Fed-Ex. They did and they should arrive at my house this Saturday.

Gotta love this Global Economy thing!

New 1-ton CV's should be here Saturday as well. I found a Spicer unit in the UK for 128 pounds ~ $198 each. Drive flanges ran about $30 each. I ended up ordering from Bearmach. They seem to have treated me right, we'll see when the order finally arrives.

for stuff like this, Ashcrofts is pretty good. cheap price too, cheaper than Bearmach, the CV's are about £130 UKP and the drive flanges about £15 UKP.... now that you've ordered yours! :flipoff2:

Ashcrofts are a bit sketchy about sending direct to the US, but there are ways around this, mail me PM if you need help on it. (my rates are cheap!!) ;)

Jamie

Originally posted by Jamie Austin


for stuff like this, Ashcrofts is pretty good. cheap price too, cheaper than Bearmach, the CV's are about £130 UKP and the drive flanges about £15 UKP.... now that you've ordered yours! :flipoff2:

Ashcrofts are a bit sketchy about sending direct to the US, but there are ways around this, mail me PM if you need help on it. (my rates are cheap!!) ;)

Jamie


I paid 128 UKP for the CV's and I think 17 UKP for the drive flanges. You are correct about Ashcroft being hesitant about shipping to the US. East Coast Rovers is their NA distributor. Ashcroft would encourage you to buy from East Coast Rovers. And well, the 1-ton CV's from them run $680 Us Dollars for the pair and $135 pair for the drive flanges.

You DO have the 110 hubs then, if you are going with the stock 110 drive flanges? If you don't, the CV's will stick out of the flanges over a 1/2" too far (even though the flanges are thicker). By 110 hubs, I mean the part that has the wheel studs on it, and it bolts to the disc brake to form the whole hub. The regular D90/Disco/RR hub is 1/2" thinner than the early 110 hub that those CV's fit inside.

I made the mistake of buying all the parts you mention, then figureing out with Jamie's help that I would have to use Bill's Maxidrive drive flanges (which compensate for the CV sticking out further), or get some early 110 hubs.

Hope this helps,

Blister

Fortunately I got this one covered. I ordered the Early style drive flanges that are made for the AEU2522 CV joint. I also ordered the spacers and spring rings that accompany the 1-ton CV and axle set. Don't know if I need them, but for a few bucks I figured I would try and cover all my bases. I even got the rubber cap for the drive flanges coming over.

Just hope everything fits as planned. Bill Davis tells me that since I have a '90 w/abs that I will not need to machine the spindle. According to him I have everything I need now. We'l see. I will literally be putting the truck back together the night before I leave for the Rally. If everything fits then that means I can wheel hard and not really worry about breaking things with the 35's.

Now I'm just playing the waiting game. Bushings are supposed to be here Monday at 10:30a from Australia and the CV 's and other stuff is supposed to be delivered Saturday.:)

Larry

10:30am MONDAY, WTF I thought they were supposed to be delivered tomorrow. I quess Fed EX planes are not as fast as the plane from the UK. I sure hope for your sake this dream you have come up with at the last minute works out for you.

I also am assuming that my presence will be required at the Grubbs residence Monday to make sure you get this back together correctly :flipoff2:

Later fawker

Hey,

If you guys don't get those drive flanges in time, I can have a pair fed-exed down from Portland that are mine.

Dunno if this helps or not but I thought I'd try....

Originally posted by Serious One
Hey,

If you guys don't get those drive flanges in time, I can have a pair fed-exed down from Portland that are mine.

Dunno if this helps or not but I thought I'd try....


Thanks, I appreciate it. Hopefully if won't come to this. My backup plan is to just use stock defender axles and CV's. Probably will break them, but oh well!