My 96 350 4x4 460 4 in lift 36" truxus hasjust recently started shifting ultra hard in every gear no matter if I start out slow or stand on it from a start. Does anybody know anything about this or is this a common problem in this truck? I was wondering if it could be computer trouble. Thanx for any help

do u have any shuddering in over drive or third? could be the early signs of the lock up clutch failing. change the fluid ASAP and check to see the color and smell.

It's probaly the color of a wetback...and probaly smells like one too.

E40Ds will do that. then, you can dump 2K into a tranny. :laughing:

Plug your truck into the code scanner before you start guessing. Replace the filter and fluid in the pan, and torque converter. IRC, a hard shift means the trans is in limp home mode?

Plug your truck into the code scanner before you start guessing. Replace the filter and fluid in the pan, and torque converter. IRC, a hard shift means the trans is in limp home mode?

Thats the way my 5r55e was.

do u have any shuddering in over drive or third? could be the early signs of the lock up clutch failing. change the fluid ASAP and check to see the color and smell.

This happened to me and I was 800 miles from home. That was a fun trip home shaking the crap out of me.

Read this and see if it helps. G/L

http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122096&highlight=e4od

Read this and see if it helps. G/L

http://www.fullsizebronco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122096&highlight=e4od

Thanx for the link!! I`m getting converter clutch lock up error.

did you find out the problem? mines doin same, brand new trans

E40Ds will do that. then, you can dump 2K into a tranny. :laughing:

More like 3-4k if you want the trans to last more than 75k :homer:

i rebuilt mine for $800 W/ UPGRADES, shit, that means i'll only get 500 feet...

i rebuilt mine for $800 W/ UPGRADES, shit, that means i'll only get 500 feet...

Not with a quality torque converter you didnt.

sans conv...
hell even if i got a billet bowl double disc i'd only be up to $1250 :D

More like 3-4k if you want the trans to last more than 75k :homer:

gas vs diesel rears its ugly head here again. The required modifications to make the transmission to stand up to the torque of the diesel are different from the lowly power of the 460. In most cases all you need for a gas motor is simply good frictions & steels and a reasonable torque converter.

demonranger is right there is a big difference in building a diesel v/s gasser e4od. The $4000 price tag is very close to what an aftermarket high quality rebuild for a diesel application will cost including torque converter. The Ford upgrades are a joke compared to what the aftermarket companies have developed, not to mention the design flaws Ford never even addressed.
Hell a damn good multi disc diesel torque converter will run about $1250 alone. The gas engine version e4od I do not know what it would cost. The only gas engines I own are chain saws, and a weed trimmer. So maybe the $800 rebuild is what a gas e4od does cost but I doubt it, at least not a good rebuild. The full soft parts kit costs about that retail.

demonranger is right there is a big difference in building a diesel v/s gasser e4od. The $4000 price tag is very close to what an aftermarket high quality rebuild for a diesel application will cost including torque converter. The Ford upgrades are a joke compared to what the aftermarket companies have developed, not to mention the design flaws Ford never even addressed.
Hell a damn good multi disc diesel torque converter will run about $1250 alone. The gas engine version e4od I do not know what it would cost. The only gas engines I own are chain saws, and a weed trimmer. So maybe the $800 rebuild is what a gas e4od does cost but I doubt it, at least not a good rebuild. The full soft parts kit costs about that retail.

around here they start at 1400 for a basic rebuild on a E40D. But, they upgrade most parts on every E40D. You can easily get over 3500 into a trans without thinking.

i think the difference is you are paying someone else to do it for you, and paying full retail, there are not many differences in e4od parts internally, the upgrades i did to mine were 6 pinion front steel planet, hd sun shell drum, shift kit (hd2), rollerized, lube mods, new solenoid pack, updated center support w/roller bearing, and hd one way clutch,full rebuild other than that, i but my parts from the local trans warehouse and build my stuff myself, a billet bowl double disc torque convertor costs me $450, i believe the parts kit for the billet conv. they buy costs them about $250 or so, so if you are paying $1200 for a convertor like that, i am sure they will open the door for you to come in... aside from the front pump and some clutch pack diffs, e4od's are the same....

"i think the difference is you are paying someone else to do it for you, and paying full retail," Gee you think?
Seriously FTG do you think comparing you building your trans and buying the parts wholesale, leaving out labor and torque converter costs is a fair comparison to tell someone who has to have the trans built and pays retail, labor, and for a torque converter?
Are you willing to build this guys trans complete R/R and including converter (which is what he will need to have done) for your stated $800?
The factory upgrade parts are nowhere near the quality of what is offered aftermarket. Ford doesn't care about how long the trans lasts as long as it is past the warranty. Ford does not stake their reputation on building quality trans parts. A professional trans builder and or parts supplier does. The builder I used only builds the e4od, 4r100, and 5r110, no other transmissions. Ford has in the past come to him for ideas on issues they were having.
Skill, tools, and knowledge wise I am very capable of building my own e4od, 4r100, or 5r11o. But I chose to have it built due to the parts used were far superior to what Ford offered and are not available from trans suppliers, they are proprietary to that builder. Plus considering his specialty he is far more knowledgeable that I am. When talking to someone else about them getting their trans rebuilt at least keep the comparisons apples to apples and not use wholesale prices, less labor, and less torque converter as a comparison.
There is so much to learn outside of what the dealers/Ford tell you. Yes they can be good places to get a start. But when it comes to thinking outside the box they have nothing to offer. They actually discourage it, which is truly a shame.

touch a nerve ??
my first post was clear that i built my own trans.
my second post added that was w/no conv. also indicating that convertors don't cost that much.
then u started talking all big about high dollar trannys....and assuming ford upgrades...
and how diesel trannies are far different than gas e4od's...
than i posted what i did, how i did it and what it cost..

look what you should realize and what was inferred here is that, mail order trannies w/warrantys or super high dollar "built" deals, generrally, have 100% markup to cover there own ass when it breaks, the same reason new cars cost what they do, the "warranty" is built into the price of the car... as svt posted, a realistic price for a e4od is approx $1400, and can go up from there , as far as ford goes, parts are supersceded to new parts as common failures are identified.. within stock confines...
everyone understands shops have to make money for their knowledge and time, and the aftermarket can and will produce parts to take the abuse we deal out ,but, guys, there is a HUGE markup in trans work,(probably the largest of all auto repairs) that what i was pointing out...

p.s. upgrade avatar to megan fox

Didn't touch a nerve at all. lol Maybe I was not PC enough but frankly I have no use for being PC. You sure inferred an awful lot, but in a written conversation all we have to go on is what is written not what is inferred. I merely said what I thought and didn't leave anything to infer. The comparison of retail to wholesale served no purpose but to confuse issues.
I do agree about the markup you spoke of, which reinforces my contention that using wholesale prices is not appropriate when who you are talking to pays retail.
I also agree there is a large price span depending on what you want or need. The trans in question is not known to be a cheap rebuild compared to non OD trannies.

demonranger is right there is a big difference in building a diesel v/s gasser e4od.

I keep forgetting that some people drive gasoline trucks.

poor bastards:flipoff2:


As for the $800 rebuild, I dont care how much the part cost, as you still have to figure in tools and labor into the equation, even doing it yourself.

Time is money. And most people dont have either to spare. I know I dont :shaking:

good points both, since this is pirate, where diy is the theme, it makes sense to me post opposing pov. hell, i dont shoot paint, so when that needs done, i pay for it. fwiw, the part prices i quoted aren't wholesale, just bought locally, from local people (support your community) who, because i buy from them and not the internet, treat me decent..
because i work on cars for a living, i do have a great deal of tools and equipment that i have bought all my life. i guess i take it for granted to fix it yourself...

i used to have a e4od (still do but it's sitting on the cherry picker:flipoff2:) the only things i have to add is that i've heard that led tail lights will cause it to go haywire. i never tried that but i did have one problem. i was always a hair under 2000 rpm at a gps verified 65 mph. there were times when i would notice that my rpms were up about 150 from normal at that speed and i found that there is some sort of doodah under the dash near the gas pedal. it was a flat connector with what looked like a block off plug in it to protect the pins:confused: it must have been some sort of chip inside it because if i pulled over and unplugged it then plugged it back in it would go back to normal. i don't know if the torque converter wasn't locking up or something was slipping or what. this was behind a 460. just my .02