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randii

07-26-2002, 01:08 PM

You may get to camp a bit early, in which case I'll sit at your campfire and drink your beer... :flipoff2:

Or you might not... in which case I'll honk and wave as I drive by the State Trooper writing you a ticket, or mebbe pull off to the side of the road to loot the stuff you spilled all over the freeway when you lost control. :flipoff2:

Sure, there are times and places where it would be OK to hit a hundred with a fully-loaded tow, but a freeway where some grandma might yank in front of you ain't the place, IMHO. No matter how good your reaction times are, it takes a good long while to decelerate that much mass. No matter how good your karma is, bad things happen (blowout, deer jumps out, meteor strikes, aliens land...) and traveling WAY fast gobbles up your margin of error.

If you can see an empty road for miles ahead, and know that there's no way for other vehicles to get on -- then speed away -- but please do it with an enclosed trail so that you don't make the other four-wheelers look stupid in association.

Randii

AzWebMan

07-27-2002, 11:33 AM

I think Camo hit the nail on the head with his comment that there is a time and place for everything.

In traffic and around town, I'll be driving the same speed as all of the other traffic. Faster requires changing lanes alot, and that has a certain amount of risk that increases with the length of the vehicle you're changing lanes with. E.g., it is alot easier to safely change lanes on a motorcycle than it is driving a 36' motorhome towing an 18' trailer.

The open highway OTH, is a different situation. If there is alot of traffic, I am content to drive the same speed as everyone else. I'm not willing to risk my family's, someone else's family, or myself just to shave a few minutes off of my drive time.

If the traffic allows, I'll pull over into the passing lane to pass a slower vehicle, or group of vehicles. Under really light conditions, like heading across the Indian Reservation in N. Az it is hard to keep the speed down. My last time coming across there I was trying to stay fairly reasonable at 75mph -- 10mph over the limit. But with absolutely no traffic, a pefectly straight highway and no real scenery changes, I'd often look down to find that the speedo had creeped up to 90 or 95.

RedneckCadet

08-21-2003, 04:40 PM

I don't understand something.....why do some ppl take for granted everything they have and risk everything they have just to arrive at your destination a whooping 10 minutes earlier?

I mean it takes no more than 3 seconds for a deer to jump out in front of you...I garaun-damn-tee you that at 100, shit 75 mph your chances of getting out of that situation are slim to none. And the worst part about it is that you are endangering others lives. I dont wanna get a phone call from the hospital saying that my parents were killed b/c some idiot was pulling a loaded trailer and lost control and took out 4 cars with it. It is just stupid!! Why wouldn't you value your life more than that?? There is a lot to lose.

Actually, my dad was hospitalized for a few weeks back in the 70's b/c someone lost control of their trailer and took him out as they went careening down an embankment into oncoming traffic.

For Heavens sakes...please ya'll, use better judgement, let's not give political figures another reason to take away our passion...Four-Wheelin'

Just my .02 worth

-Jason-

gunracer1

08-21-2003, 05:30 PM

[rant on]aw fawk, i like to pull my trailer at 150mph with a cooler of beer in the front seat [cool one between my legs]while i am smoking a hooter. jesus, i have never seen so many people that like to jump on a band wagon. there is a time and place for everything, hell if it scares you so bad that someone pulled a trailer at a 100, how in the hell do you justify wheeling. you are liable to hurt yourself or someone else. better stay home in front of the computer with the door locked and the security system on. is the whole world turning into a bunch of "i know whats best for you" pussys[rant off]

jp junkie

08-21-2003, 05:37 PM

Geez, I thought this thread was long gone. Someone has a hell of a lot of time in their hands.:shaking:

KS Toy

08-21-2003, 05:47 PM

I think that those of you that are crying about speeding with a tow rig don't drive FORDS and can't go over speed limit:flipoff2:

[That should get shit started]

RedneckCadet

08-21-2003, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by KS Toy
I think that those of you that are crying about speeding with a tow rig don't drive FORDS and can't go over speed limit:flipoff2:

[That should get shit started]

I have owned nothing but FORDS and I pull a trailer every weekend to Tellico to do some krawlin':flipoff2:

Originally posted by jp junkie
Geez, I thought this thread was long gone. Someone has a hell of a lot of time in their hands.:shaking:

You came back to this thread:flipoff2:

DynamicallyUnstable

09-04-2003, 12:16 AM

I'm new to this thread but I know that when I went to Michigan to pick up my Jeep body, if I wasn't going at least 85-90 I was getting passed by Big Rigs! So, I kept it around 95-100. Time and place...
Go to the Hammers and see how long those damn deserted roads are when you are going 55-60mph!:flipoff2:
Time and place...

Seeing Red

09-04-2003, 07:59 AM

Well since this thread has been resurrected from the dead once again, I'll throw my $.02 in it.

90 MPH on a lonely desert or great plains hwy is VERY VERY different than running 90 mph on any given road east of the Mississippi. 90 with a trailer in the east is a death wish, while on some of the roads I've been on out west 90 traffic still felt slow! :eek:

GOAT1

09-04-2003, 08:21 AM

While we're on this topic, anyone ever get a speeding ticket specifically in Cali while towing and what were the consequences compared to a non-towing speeding ticket? Just curious

03tjmike

09-04-2003, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by GOAT1
While we're on this topic, anyone ever get a speeding ticket specifically in Cali while towing and what were the consequences compared to a non-towing speeding ticket? Just curious

Got one heading to the river the first of the year. The fat ass CHP was a complete dick about it. I was doing a whopping 63 mph coming down the hill on the 40 into needles. The cost for the ticket was like $150.00.

He tried to get me for 75, as he said he caught me further back from the west bound side coming up the hill further back. I told him there was no f'ing way my Tahoe is going to pull this 7,000# boat up the grade at 75 mph. He didn't like my attitude when i said that, so i gave him one of my mini chocolate hostess donuts. he started to slobber like one of Pavlov's dogs. Once he regained control of his bodily functions he wrote it up for the lesser speed. What a dick:flipoff2:

55 towing is a little slow. I think it should be at least 65.

Joe_W

09-04-2003, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by GOAT1
While we're on this topic, anyone ever get a speeding ticket specifically in Cali while towing and what were the consequences compared to a non-towing speeding ticket? Just curious

I got one for 78 in a 70 while flat towing the Samurai. I was not the fastest vehicle on the highway and the trooper mentioned "towing" a couple times so I'm sure it had something to do with it. This was in Texas

rusted

09-04-2003, 12:00 PM

I can see the time&place thing.

We need a link to the towing stories thread in here, maybe get that thread moved mods?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46436&perpage=25&pagenumber=4

Here's the link. Check 4 posts down for maybe one of the greatest PBB no-shit stories around.

Just something to add. Bad things can happen, and speed increases the damage and danger exponentially.

ScottFJ40

09-06-2003, 07:09 PM

You are a fucking idiot if you do 100 mph towing anything. Period. Anyone who thinks otherwise can suck my fucking dick.

The Jerk

09-06-2003, 07:24 PM

i just wish i had a tow rig that went over 65 mph up or down hill, jiMMy

EMIEVEL

09-07-2003, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by ScottFJ40
You are a fucking idiot if you do 100 mph towing anything. Period. Anyone who thinks otherwise can suck my fucking dick.

Ahm...don't you mean "lick your pussy?":D

CrazyHorse

09-07-2003, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by 03tjmike

55 towing is a little slow. I think it should be at least 65.
I've said the same for years... 55 in my truck with the trailer behind it is taching out the motor in 4th and raising the EGt's, or lugging it in 5th, and raising the EGT's, whereas I can do 60-65 all day long in 5th with no trouble...

drnut

09-08-2003, 07:51 AM

Sure there is a time a place for everything...

I was coming home from Fresno with 22re in the bed of my truck. I know the breaks on my 97 Dodge kinda suck so i was leaving plenty of room in front of me. Two trucks behind me there is a newer chevy 1500 loaded down with a trailer and 4 bikes, camping supplies and a bunch of stuff in the bed. Traffic is about 75+ on the 5 almost at the Grapevine. Then traffic almost stops. I see that the traffic is slowing and i slow down. The two cars behind be slow down and swearve to the right lane almost at the same time. The guy in the chevy is coming on extreally fast. I think he is about to plow into me and at the last second he swearves onto the dirt median next to the guard rail and comes to a stop PAST my truck. He ended up loosing 2 bikes and some gear off of the trailer. If this guy had not been speeding and he had been paying more attention than he would still have those 2 bikes to ride. I'm just damn glad he did'nt hit me. I would have to kick his ass after i got out of the hospital...

Its all fun and games untill some one looses a trailer...

Norm

09-08-2003, 12:02 PM

Your playing with fire towing over 65MPH with a trailer. I worked in a equipment rental yard for ten years and investigated several accidents involving company equipment and trailers. 90% of the accidents involved too much speed. In one case the driver was killed because he was driving to fast, hit a bump and lost control. Get a good stereo, kick-it in the right lane.

ScottFJ40

09-09-2003, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by EMIEVEL

Ahm...don't you mean "lick your pussy?":D If you like licking pole pussy, then bring it on. :flipoff2:

demonranger

09-09-2003, 08:22 AM

I'll bet all yall runnin' 85+ towing are the ones bitchin about gettin crappy fuel mileage

yah you go faster you have more time to wheel but if an extra hour (100 vs. 65 for 200 miles) is all your gonna get hell at 500 miles you only save 2.7 hours

hell take a trip (long as hell) Atlanta to Anchorage Alaska (been there drove that) 4504 miles according to mapquest estimated driving time 136.5 hours (have no clue where they drive that's only 32MPH but at real speeds 65 it will take 69.3 hours, 75 only 60 hours, 85 down to 53 hours and for 100mph you get only 45 hours plus at least 1 speeding ticket granted that's 2 days of driving cut off (65 v 100) but think about what kind of rpm you have to run to maintain your speed and the wear on your rig not to mention the fact that there is a trailer back there to catch any cross winds which can spin you sideways I've watched it happen driving across wyoming big rig runnin 90 ish with load of bricks on a flatbed wind whipped pushed the trailer sideways & he rolled hell it pushed the rv I was drving across 2 lanes (empty at the time) 4 am still you have to have a reasonable safety margin for yourself. Hell when you wheel and you are planning on rolling do you have a roll cage??? or wear a harness???? why not just strap a seat on the frame

MattS

09-09-2003, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by demonranger
I'll bet all yall runnin' 85+ towing are the ones bitchin about gettin crappy fuel mileage

yah you go faster you have more time to wheel but if an extra hour (100 vs. 65 for 200 miles) is all your gonna get hell at 500 miles you only save 2.7 hours

hell take a trip (long as hell) Atlanta to Anchorage Alaska (been there drove that) 4504 miles according to mapquest estimated driving time 136.5 hours (have no clue where they drive that's only 32MPH but at real speeds 65 it will take 69.3 hours, 75 only 60 hours, 85 down to 53 hours and for 100mph you get only 45 hours plus at least 1 speeding ticket granted that's 2 days of driving cut off (65 v 100) but think about what kind of rpm you have to run to maintain your speed and the wear on your rig not to mention the fact that there is a trailer back there to catch any cross winds which can spin you sideways I've watched it happen driving across wyoming big rig runnin 90 ish with load of bricks on a flatbed wind whipped pushed the trailer sideways & he rolled hell it pushed the rv I was drving across 2 lanes (empty at the time) 4 am still you have to have a reasonable safety margin for yourself. Hell when you wheel and you are planning on rolling do you have a roll cage??? or wear a harness???? why not just strap a seat on the frame

Find the L on your keyboard. Now look below it one row and a little to the right. See that little dot right there? It's called a PERIOD. It's right next to the ??? you seem to have already found. It's used to end a sentence. Try it out sometime. :flipoff2:

EMIEVEL

09-10-2003, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by ScottFJ40
If you like licking pole pussy, then bring it on. :flipoff2:
I've never heard of a "pole pussy". Is that what you call it after the sex change?:flipoff2: I think I've seen it on the net though. Man, you guys are strange!:D

Anyway, why get so bent on people speeding with trailers? Most of you that are bitching probably speed all the time when you aren't towing, is that different? Do you feel the speed limits are too slow for your driving capabilities? Of course you do! Some people are that confident while towing, so why be hypercritical?
Chris

Haole

09-10-2003, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by demonranger
hell take a trip (long as hell) Atlanta to Anchorage Alaska (been there drove that) 4504 miles according to mapquest estimated driving time 136.5 hours (have no clue where they drive that's only 32MPH but at real speeds 65 it will take 69.3 hours, 75 only 60 hours, 85 down to 53 hours and for 100mph you get only 45 hours plus at least 1 speeding ticket granted that's 2 days of driving cut off (65 v 100)

69.3-45=24.3=2 days:confused:

New math:confused:

ScottFJ40

09-10-2003, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by EMIEVEL

I've never heard of a "pole pussy". Is that what you call it after the sex change?:flipoff2: I think I've seen it on the net though. Man, you guys are strange!:D

Anyway, why get so bent on people speeding with trailers? Most of you that are bitching probably speed all the time when you aren't towing, is that different? Do you feel the speed limits are too slow for your driving capabilities? Of course you do! Some people are that confident while towing, so why be hypercritical?
Chris Because if you had a brain, you'd know that towing requires less speed for more stability. I could care less if you kill yourself doing it, but if you take my family out, you better be in jail, that's all I've got to say bout that.

And as for speeding without a trailer, I go maybe 5 mph over the speed limit. If I need to get somewhere earlier, I leave earlier, novel idea, huh?

When I was younger, I drove like an idiot too, speeding everywhere I went. No matter how good of a driver you percieve yourself to be, there will ALWAYS be factors beyond your control.

Anyway, end of lecture.

Jeepmangled87

09-10-2003, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by CJ Lagos

I only speed while towing if i have my gooseneck since it is much more stable than a tag a long. And only if I've been drinking.

:usa: :beer:

CJ

That whats its all about, towing drunk rules.:flipoff2:

gunracer1

09-10-2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by ScottFJ40
You are a fucking idiot if you do 100 mph towing anything. Period. Anyone who thinks otherwise can suck my fucking dick.
i am glad to see you are so open minded about it, take a drive out west and tow@ 60 and see how well you do. hell i tow at 70 all the fawkin time and still get passed. normaly don't don't go over 80. but i run a dually and have great trailer brakes. i don't do it with some light ass tow rig either.

CJ Lagos

09-10-2003, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Jeepmangled87

That whats its all about, towing drunk rules.:flipoff2:

The way I look at it the more I drink the more lines I see....so the better chance I have of staying between them!

ScottFJ40

09-10-2003, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by gunracer1

i am glad to see you are so open minded about it, take a drive out west and tow@ 60 and see how well you do. hell i tow at 70 all the fawkin time and still get passed. normaly don't don't go over 80. but i run a dually and have great trailer brakes. i don't do it with some light ass tow rig either. 70-80 isn't 100 mph. I think 100 mph is just quite ridiculous, and you won't change my mind at that. So what if people are passing you, does that hurt you in any way?

gunracer1

09-10-2003, 03:28 PM

no unless they blow some light weight tow rig off the road. hell i would feel better at 90 than 60 out west. if you have never driven west of ft.worth teaxs to cali you have no idea. when you can see for 5 plus miles and you are bored out of your skull. now if you are talking about maryland i can see your point of view.

ScottFJ40

09-10-2003, 06:53 PM

I'll give you that gunracer. I can definetly see going faster out west, and I have driven out west, twice, from coast to coast. I Still will never agree with 100 mph. I'd hate to hit a coyote or something that runs out in front of me, that could be disasterous.

badassjeepguy

09-13-2003, 01:41 PM

geeez.......... bunch of whiners..... i travel at the speed im comfortable at.... sometimes its 50, most of the time on restricted access roads ie interstates and turnpikes ill run 75-80 mph that cruise set at that speed..... every once in a while ill put her up to 100ish.....speed is dictated by the roads..... flat staight line on rt 70 across the U.S. i have no problem with winding her up tight. also if youve increased your speed just keep a further distance from vehicles in front of you, most rearend collisions occur due to people riding to close to the car in front of them.... keep your distance>

to me swerving in and out of traffic even if your doing the speed limit, is way more dangerous then traveling fast on the open road.

at whatever speed your doing, sleeping will hurt more people... that should be the new thread..... how long do you drive? do you stop if your knodding..... sleep is a big big problem, more than a few or more than several miles over the speed limit...

with that said, when i drive fast im more into the drive and it keeps me alert.... :D

flimmy

09-13-2003, 02:11 PM

bajg were is the pic of you and John doing 90+ towing.

badassjeepguy

09-13-2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by flimmy
bajg were is the pic of you and John doing 90+ towing.

i got a new puter and lost that pic..... it may be here some where in pirateland...

forbergler

04-03-2007, 02:23 PM

Just because you are not comfortable with it doesnt mean it isnt smart. I have and will continue to tow at high speeds. I am safer at 90 + towing than my grandma is at 55 in her car.

You're a complete idiot, and all those that agree with you are too. My colleagues and I refer to shitheads like you as "job security", and we will eventually scrape your carcass off the freeway. The only problem is that you fucktards take out someone else's family in the process. I don't care if you kill yourself, but I do have a problem with the decent people minding their own business that you kill as a result of your incredible stupidity.

IAFF Local 4317

BikerSC

04-03-2007, 02:30 PM

4 year old thread WTF???????

YellowSub1962

04-03-2007, 05:59 PM

You're a complete idiot, and all those that agree with you are too. My colleagues and I refer to shitheads like you as "job security", and we will eventually scrape your carcass off the freeway. The only problem is that you fucktards take out someone else's family in the process. I don't care if you kill yourself, but I do have a problem with the decent people minding their own business that you kill as a result of your incredible stupidity.

IAFF Local 4317

did you search for this thread or did it take you 3.5 years to type that reply? :flipoff2:

:usa:

Never Monday

04-03-2007, 06:04 PM

You're a complete idiot, and all those that agree with you are too. My colleagues and I refer to shitheads like you as "job security", and we will eventually scrape your carcass off the freeway. The only problem is that you fucktards take out someone else's family in the process. I don't care if you kill yourself, but I do have a problem with the decent people minding their own business that you kill as a result of your incredible stupidity.

IAFF Local 4317

That's a hell of a way for a firefighter to talk. Does your union know you speak like that in public?...

Signed
Retired EMTP

Never Monday

04-03-2007, 06:08 PM

First off...how many big rigs do you get blown off by on the highway? I see several a day over 90mph. Think, that's 25,000+ lbs at 90mph. Do I want to be putting along in the right lane at 55 mph when he crests a hill and turns me into the meat of a sandwitch?
I'll trailer 100lbs to 15,000 lbs AT THE SPEED OF THE CURRENT TRAFFIC.
Multiple studies have PROVEN the safest speed is at or slightly above the "flow" of traffic. The putt alongers are THE problem out there.

forbergler

04-03-2007, 07:52 PM

That's a hell of a way for a firefighter to talk. Does your union know you speak like that in public?...

Signed
Retired EMTP

Where did you work that you didn't hear firefighters talk like that? And that's mild for my union:flipoff2: .

forbergler

04-03-2007, 07:55 PM

did you search for this thread or did it take you 3.5 years to type that reply? :flipoff2:

:usa:

It's good to re-stir the pot now and again.:nuke:

thump93yj

04-04-2007, 09:17 AM

It's good to post pad now and again.:nuke:

fixed

Danger Ranger

04-04-2007, 09:29 AM

jesus this thread is OLD! :laughing:

ok towing at 55 sucks... whats probably the most dangerous is how just about every fucking asshat on the highway has to FLY around you, pop out behind you at the last minute at mach 9 while you try to move over for them :rolleyes: or cut you the fuck off to hit that off ramp 10 lanes to the right... arrrgh. :mad: I feel it's less headache to just go with the flow of traffic and keep as much distance in front of you as possible.

4Mogger

04-04-2007, 09:40 AM

I did over 85 across eastern colorado with my 4runner in tow-- this with a Tundra! It was fine but I noticed that I was getting 7 miles per gallon. Down from 13 mpg at 65 mph. So I slowed back down.
Unsafe? Sure. Life is unsafe. Stay in bed and you will be fine.

wanderer-RRORC

04-04-2007, 10:00 AM

4 year old thread WTF???????

:laughing:

no shit.....

I go with the flow...plain and simple...course im 43ft from bow to stern when hooked to the trailer..

oh..and I dont let my wife navigate....in the CAR that causes lane swerves and yelling...if Im lost in the truck...I pull off at a good ramp (downhill back onto the freeway) and look at the friggin map...:eek:

the_experience3006

04-05-2007, 12:02 AM

Any time over 100 mph or any other case (like 90 with a trailer) that might be deemed extremely reckless and dangerous and your license is gone for ATLEAST a year in Minnesota.

MattS

04-05-2007, 08:22 AM

Any time over 100 mph or any other case (like 90 with a trailer) that might be deemed extremely reckless and dangerous and your license is gone for ATLEAST a year in Minnesota.

Depending on who you get as a cop and then Judge in most states anything 20+ over the speed limit they can really throw the book at you. That being said, I'm sure glad they raised the speed limit in Iowa 7/1/05 and South Dakota to something reasonable. Leaving the 75 mph bliss of Nebraska to head clear across Iowa at 65 sucked. 75 is the sweet spot in my CTD. :smokin: And a 10 mph ticket in Iowa is almost $100 now. :shaking:

forbergler

04-05-2007, 10:11 AM

I lick my dog's ass for him.

Fixed. Looks like you're the one padding since you had no contribution whatsoever.
And all of you acting bent about a 4-year-old thread being re-kindled, you know you love it:flipoff2:
How many of you that tow at 75 or above do it with your children or other family aboard? Have you ever really thought about whether it's worth it? Do you know what it's like to lose a tire at that speed, or have you all been really really lucky so far. Have you ever pulled the lifeless body of a seven year old out of a car because someone else was in a hurry?
These days anyone can justify anything they want . You can tell yourself it's OK because of this or that. Hell one could justify murdering starving women and children all over the world because they're gonna die anyway, right? So keep wasting fuel and shaving a few minutes off your drive and keep telling yourself that it will never be you who kills someone else for your stupidity and selfishness. You haven't done it yet so you never will.

thump93yj

04-05-2007, 10:21 AM

I contribute plenty to this board.

Eat a bowl...

MattyB4x4

04-05-2007, 11:09 AM

exactly camo...time and place

I pull smokers...don't weigh more than 4k. I pull them about 85...not that big a deal. I drive at night...no cars on I-20 in the middle of Louisiana...

time and place for everything

BillyBronco

04-05-2007, 08:06 PM

Time and place. I got my trailer up to 98mph once. I wanted to get to 100mph but the egt's were too hot so I backed off. I had just turned around after I sat on a closed off interstate after about an hour due to a bad accident. There was nobody on the other side and I knew all the cops would be at the accident so I tried to hit 100mph and then go back down to 70mph but I almost made it. Now going 100mph for any distance I wouldn't trust my trailer tires at that speed let alone all of the other problems.
-Billy

EMIEVEL

04-06-2007, 12:39 AM

I had this truck and trailer around 108mph (whatever the cut-off is for the Dodge) a few times. I did 100mph as often as possible from SoCal to Daytona Beach,FL. (I only killed 3 people and they were all 7 year olds. I was gonna stop but I knew the firefighters would take care of it for me.)

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c138/EMIEVEL/jobs/Chrispics117.jpg

I was quite impressed at how stable it felt...way more stable than a Porsche GT3 at 190 mph... no joke. If it would have felt bad, I would've slowed down. I forgot how long it took me, but it wasn't too long (less than 48 hrs). The mileage was half of what it got on the way home (5mpg there, 10mpg home).

They asked how I got there so fast by myself and I just told them I didn't get passed for 2500 miles; they probably thought I was kidding. The space they rented for the week cost them close to $50K, so every day counted.

If you don't have enough confidence in your ability, or equipment, to tow a gooseneck at 100mph on a flat, straight, empty road, maybe you shouldn't be towing at all. Seriously.

You can tell me how dumb it was, but I'm a trained professional so fuck off. (Unless you're a cool dude and I like you, then it's ok!) :)

CHRIS

wanderer-RRORC

04-06-2007, 07:28 AM

You can tell me how dumb it was, but I'm a trained professional so fuck off. (Unless you're a cool dude and I like you, then it's ok!) :)

CHRIS

yea..but you have a lead foot...or aluminum...or whatever its made out of..:D

I've had mine about 90...empty...no biggie..what about the people that tow them at 45 on the expressways in the fastlane...those guys are more of a danger..:(

SeaBass44

04-06-2007, 09:36 AM

You can tell me how dumb it was, but I'm a trained professional so fuck off. (Unless you're a cool dude and I like you, then it's ok!) :)

CHRIS

just where do they train you to tow at 100+ on public roads? do you have a special 100+ endorsement on your license????????:shaking: :laughing: :laughing:

forbergler

04-06-2007, 12:55 PM

You guys should form a "100+, I tow super fast!!!" club, then those of us that are too chicken can worship you like the heroes you are. Keep bragging, it makes you look so cool.

EMIEVEL

04-06-2007, 01:26 PM

Well, 99% of the time, I'm driving the speed limit to save fuel and my equipment...and if you read the towing section much, I'm always preaching about driving slow. Slower is safer, no doubt, but every once in a while I gotta let the big dog eat.

Forbergler, where is that quote from (about the two bullets)? LOL

Seabass, I tried that line (trained professional) on a cop in WA after he pulled me over for 100+ (I was in a car). He told me how unsafe it was to drive that fast, I told him he made it twice as dangerous, he said he was trained, I pulled out my racing license and said I had more training! HAHAHAHAHAHA...that was big ticket. Me and my crew guys from the team thought it was pretty funny, but the cop didn't think so. At least he was cool enough not to arrest me.

SeaBass44

04-06-2007, 01:57 PM

KWTMECH

04-06-2007, 02:00 PM

:laughing:

I pull off at a good ramp (downhill back onto the freeway) and look at the friggin map...:eek:

Map? What's a map :)

DHONDAGOD

04-06-2007, 04:46 PM

I did 100mph as often as possible from SoCal to Daytona Beach,FL. (I only killed 3 people and they were all 7 year olds. I was gonna stop but I knew the firefighters would take care of it for me.)

CHRIS

Ok. I know its a 4-year old thread and Im one who does not speed with my trailer in tow. When I pull out of home with the rig Ive started my vacation and the drive is part of that.... I try to enjoy the ride, company and scenery...

Now that being said.... Chris's quote above is responsible for a soda coated keyboard:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: THAT was funny right there, I dont care who you are..... :laughing:

Chris:cool2:

wanderer-RRORC

04-06-2007, 05:56 PM

pulled out my racing license and said I had more training! HAHAHAHAHAHA...that was big ticket. Me and my crew guys from the team thought it was pretty funny, but the cop didn't think so. At least he was cool enough not to arrest me.

I had a buddy actually get OUT of a ticket because he had his NHRA licence...130+ on a streetbike..(about 15yrs ago when cops were cooler..no offence Bubba)

gunracer1

04-08-2007, 01:14 PM

damn now this is a old thread. and i still speed and i have only killed 10 or 15 childer over the last 5 years since i posted on here. but the good news was 2 were mine so i just made more to replace them. but with fuel like it is i find myself going abit slower.

wheelin66bronco

04-08-2007, 06:36 PM

While we're on this topic, anyone ever get a speeding ticket specifically in Cali while towing and what were the consequences compared to a non-towing speeding ticket? Just curious

My wife got one near Salinas last year going 60 (max of 55 for trailers). Semi's were passing her at over 70 when she got pulled over. $150 ticket One more thing I hate about California.

forbergler

04-09-2007, 05:59 PM

[QUOTE=EMIEVEL;6669099]where is that quote from (about the two bullets)? LOL[QUOTE]

The Last Boyscout

forbergler

04-09-2007, 06:01 PM

My wife got one near Salinas last year going 60 (max of 55 for trailers). Semi's were passing her at over 70 when she got pulled over. $150 ticket One more thing I hate about California.

If you have a CDL you're screwed now because the law changed and you are no longer allowed to do traffic school, even if it's in your personal, non/commercial vehicle.:(

4LOWx2

04-17-2007, 05:10 PM

If anyone cares I have driven the Alaskan HWY on several occasions and you will routinely see fully loaded gas/propane/ cargo rigs exceeding 80-90MPH, especially on those long stretches through Canada, or just past Whitehorse.

The difference is they are doing it on the ALCAN not the 405 in Los Angeles.

If there is a remote chance you need your brakes anytime in the near future you have no business winding up your diesel to those speeds. You wanna go fast? Go get a sports car asshole.

(not directed towards anyone in particular, just my rant)

LazyDog

04-18-2007, 12:30 PM

We just went from boston to moab round trip. According to the gps, I hit 98MPH in the middle of nowhere Kansas. I was surprised to see I was moving that fast. There's 300 miles of nothing between Burlington, CO to Salina, KS. Gawd that's a boring flat stretch of interstate.

SeaBass44

04-18-2007, 01:50 PM

There's 300 miles of nothing between Burlington, CO to Salina, KS. Gawd that's a boring flat stretch of interstate.
:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

05-04-2007, 04:38 PM

I would agree that 55 in Ca feels slow. I have towed down to the hammers from the bay (sharing duties) four times now in a few different vehicles. I have found that 65 was comfortable for me when I was driving and I started to feel sketchy at 70+ when I would wander/correct, so I kept it at about 65 most of the way. My buddy would drive at 70-75 and I would be all over the "oh shit handles", especially when he would hit a slight downhill and get up to 80. At 80 he had me yelling in his ear. Most of these trips we were towing 7k lbs behind a Denali, once with a 2004 F250 crew cab.

I think that experience and knowladge plays a big part in this towing equation. People knowing when to hit the brakes and how fast they can take turns etc. Unfortunatly anyone with a DL can get behind the wheel and start towing and that is the reason for the 55mph IMO. I would prefer a special licence requirement for towing at 65 for sure.

Here is a pic of the vehicle/trailer we were hauling.

TheRamChargerMan

05-04-2007, 07:42 PM

I'm amazed, and not in a good way, at how many people here have no apparent regard for life or property.

You think speeding (which is against the law by the way) is worth saving some time, or money (in the case of the guy who cliams to have done 108 in a dodge with a huge trailer, and oh yeah, claims to be a professional), no matter what the cost.

So what is more important ? Your life or time & money ??

1) if caught speeding at 108, your cdl would be gone for life....period.

2) you must be rich to afford the fuel at those speeds

3) are you so damn arrogant to think that at that speed, you would be able to avoid death if a tire blew out, either on the truck OR the trailer ?

4) or that you would have been able to avoid the small animal that may runout in front of you

5) or the bird that may fly in your path and hit your windshield ?

6) or that your trailer brakes will actually work when you need to stop from those speeds in an emergency

Wow, I need to worship you, cuz you must be perfect.

If you were to injure or kill anyone I am related to or care about as a result of your assinine arrogance concerning your driving abilities, I would ensure that you would have no peace for the remainder or your life, how ever long that may or may not be.

Driving at the speeds you guys claim to drive with a trailer in tow, is not confidence, it is blatant arrogance.

It's very much like putting 1 live bullet in a clip of blanks, putting the clip in a gun, and pointing it at a crowd of people, and pulling the trigger many times, with your confidence being that you know which 'bullet' is real, and when to stop pulling the trigger. If your right, then MAYBE it will be fine, but if your wrong, someone is dead.

Someone mentioned rockcrawling as not being safe either. Well, at least when doing that, I don't have traffic or other people I can injure to worry about, I'm only risking my own life, not anyone else's like you do when you speed with a trailer in tow.

Ya know what, speeding when towing is just stupid. Do what ya want...Darwin will take care of you sooner or later. I just hope you don't kill an innocent person in the mean time.

camo

05-04-2007, 08:28 PM

TheRamChargerMan

05-04-2007, 08:41 PM

Dude chill.... in case you have never crossed the Mojave desert there is 100's of miles of open road where you can litterly go for an hour with seeing another car. straight line roads over the horizon. if you wanna travel those at 55 mph go right ahead. i'll travel as fast as I feel safe.

I am also amazed that some peopel can't determine what is safe or unsafe for themselfs and need a goverment to tell them what is or is not ok.

not all of these posts are about the desert.....

and according to your 2nd statement, since I don't need a drivers license to feel safe driving, why do I need one ??

What I feel safe doing, and what I will do, are not always the same thing.

BTW, I never go over 65 mph when towing, no matter what the speed limit is.....for safety and for fuel economy.

nate379

05-04-2007, 09:21 PM

Whether I'm towing or not, I normally drive the speed limit within 5mph.

In some states, you are supposed to follow the truck speed if your pulling a trailer. I know Wyoming is like that.

flaash

05-05-2007, 01:45 AM

You think speeding (which is against the law by the way) is worth saving some time, or money (in the case of the guy who cliams to have done 108 in a dodge with a huge trailer, and oh yeah, claims to be a professional), no matter what the cost.

So what is more important ? Your life or time & money ??

1) if caught speeding at 108, your cdl would be gone for life....period.

2) you must be rich to afford the fuel at those speeds

4) or that you would have been able to avoid the small animal that may runout in front of you

5) or the bird that may fly in your path and hit your windshield ?

It's very much like putting 1 live bullet in a clip of blanks, putting the clip in a gun, and pointing it at a crowd of people, and pulling the trigger many times, with your confidence being that you know which 'bullet' is real, and when to stop pulling the trigger. If your right, then MAYBE it will be fine, but if your wrong, someone is dead.

one who cares if it is against the law is it your money that has to pay the ticket

two its my money that pays for the fuel and speeding does not use that much extra so what do you care

three i dont have a cdl so who gives a fuck

four fuckno i would never swerve at any speed to avoid a small animal or bird or even a large animal fuck them they are dead swerving is never a good idea.

and the gun thing is the dumbest fucking example i have heard yet you dont like what you are reading here then get out nobody cares if you like speeding or not!:flipoff2:

TheRamChargerMan

05-05-2007, 06:25 AM

one who cares if it is against the law is it your money that has to pay the ticket

two its my money that pays for the fuel and speeding does not use that much extra so what do you care

three i dont have a cdl so who gives a fuck

four fuckno i would never swerve at any speed to avoid a small animal or bird or even a large animal fuck them they are dead swerving is never a good idea.

and the gun thing is the dumbest fucking example i have heard yet you dont like what you are reading here then get out nobody cares if you like speeding or not!:flipoff2:

1) laws are there to protect everyone, not just the idiot breaking them. You think you are in control, but when you wreck, you may kill someone who wasn't breaking the law

2) On the cost of fuel not being that much more, I have to say BS. My rig gets pretty good mpg for it's size & weight, but the fatser I go, the lower the mpg drops, and it doesn't drop slowly either.

3) the cdl statement was made for the guy who claims to have done 108 with a big trailer, and says he is a professional driver, as well as several who claim to have cdl's as some excuse to be able to drive faster safely. Last time I checked, the cdl test doesn't cover driving faster than the speed limit

4) the point was, if any of those things happen, swerve or not, you are gonna be in deep shit as a result

and if you think the example is dumb, maybe you need to think about the responsibilites of driving a 10,000 lb plus rig at speeds over 70 mph because you THINK you will always be in control. You in fact, will be trying to control over 100 x the amount of energy that can be imparted on another person or vehicle when in a tow rig vs a bullet, and the sheer size means the chance of injuring someone else is probably 1,000,000 x greater.

And lastly, last time I checked, I don't have to agree with the topic to be able to post in it....:flipoff2:

Trailer Guy

05-05-2007, 09:42 AM

Wow, this thread is alive and well. Ok, let's see....

TheRamChargerMan, not that you are wrong, because you're not. You are 100% right. But it is like arguing about drinking and driving. You can talk for days about the subject, but later that day someone that was just talking about it is going to be guilty of it.

It is NOT ok to haul ass with a trailer. But, so I don't get flamed in major ways, I am just as guilty as the next guy for hauling ass with a trailer. Yeah, I know it is wrong, but there are times that I do it. And if you are going to speed with a trailer, or speed at all for that matter, then I agree with CAMO, "there is a time and a place for everything." I don't speed when there is traffic. And I don't haul serious ass if there is anyone if front of me at all, going or coming.

And let's get past all the manly bull shit. The fact is, we (as in men, in general) will do the stupid things like hauling ass with a trailer just for the thrill and to say that we got somewhere a little quicker than the next guy. It really has nothing to do with anything else. Would the world come to an end if we did the speed limit? NO, but we speed for the thrill and yes it is stupid, but hell, even I'm guilty of it. Hell, no one is perfect. If you are totally safe pulling a trailer, I bet you are probably unsafe doing something else. People are going to speed, it is the nature of the beast. The only thing that I would ask, is that they pay attention and only do it when others aren't around so their lives are the only ones in danger.

Simple fact, TacomaJoe95 and myself just went from Redding to the Benders Jambo is exactly 12 hrs. That is hauling ass, let me tell you. We left Redding at 7pm after work and pulled onto the lake bed at 7am the next morning. Traveling all night, there where little to no cars and we moved down the highway is a hurry. I'm not saying what we did was right, it's not, but if I head down there next weekend for some reason, I'm betting that I'll do it again. But, when traffic starts up, our speed quickly drops. It's called being responsible, to a degree.

05-07-2007, 10:21 AM

BTW, I never go over 65 mph when towing, no matter what the speed limit is.....for safety and for fuel economy.

Not sure what the speed limit is where you are but it is 55 here in Ca when towing a trailer. Do you feel safe at 65? If so, would you still tow at 55 when in Ca because "it is the law"?

Just curious because I break the law when I tow at 65 but I feel safe doing so and I don't always believe "the law" is the right rule to live by. This of course is a whole other topic, I am sure we can discuss that in another thread. Everone has their own idea of safe as well as their own values, and some just follow "the law". Sorry to get off topic.

TheRamChargerMan

05-07-2007, 02:22 PM

If so, would you still tow at 55 when in Ca because "it is the law"?

yes. I will do the speed limit up to 65 mph.

So, if the speed limit is 70, I am doing 65, if the speed limit is 55, I am doing 55.

On my truck, ~ every 5 mph more is 1 mpg less. Normally, I get there in the same amount of time, because I stop for fuel less.

I also plan my trips so I have plenty of time...or at least try to.

You may not agree with the law, but when it's you against the law (ie speeding), you will lose. My money is too hard to come by to risk losing it that way.

05-07-2007, 02:29 PM

yes. I will do the speed limit up to 65 mph.

So, if the speed limit is 70, I am doing 65, if the speed limit is 55, I am doing 55.

On my truck, ~ every 5 mph more is 1 mpg less. Normally, I get there in the same amount of time, because I stop for fuel less.

I also plan my trips so I have plenty of time...or at least try to.

You may not agree with the law, but when it's you against the law (ie speeding), you will lose. My money is too hard to come by to risk losing it that way.

Cool, I was just wondering. It seems that most people in this thread so far seem to think 65 is a safe speed to be towing (including you), which I would agree if you have some skill and experience. Unfortunatly the law says 55 but in this case I say "fawk em".

There are not too many people that follow the law to the letter, more power to you.

JW

TheRamChargerMan

05-07-2007, 02:49 PM

I ain't gonna sit here and say I always follow the speed limit when driving a vehicle, but if I am towing, I do.

Normally, when I am towing, what is behind me usually weighs 2x what I am driving

EMIEVEL

05-08-2007, 03:53 AM

QUOTE=TheRamChargerMan;6766322]I'm amazed, and not in a good way, at how many people here have no apparent regard for life or property.
I'm amazed, and not in a good way, at how many people have no apparent regard for the English language. So there.

You think speeding (which is against the law by the way) is worth saving some time, or money (in the case of the guy who cliams to have done 108 in a dodge with a huge trailer, and oh yeah, claims to be a professional), no matter what the cost.
My claims happen to be true, but I don't blame you for not believing everything you read on the internet.

So what is more important ? Your life or time & money ??
Money? Nah, but I try to keep the other two options in balance.

1) if caught speeding at 108, your cdl would be gone for life....period.
What CDL...question mark?

2) you must be rich to afford the fuel at those speeds
I just save money elsewhere so I can waste it on fuel.

3) are you so damn arrogant to think that at that speed, you would be able to avoid death if a tire blew out, either on the truck OR the trailer ?
Yes :), because I have had plenty of blow outs and you'd have to be an idiot or really depressed to let one kill you, unless you drive an Explorer.

4) or that you would have been able to avoid the small animal that may runout in front of you
Why try to avoid any animal? That might cause an accident.

5) or the bird that may fly in your path and hit your windshield ?
You watch too much TV.

6) or that your trailer brakes will actually work when you need to stop from those speeds in an emergency
The brakes will work just as well as they do at the speed limit, but it will take more time to stop, duh. It doesn't take a professional to figure that one out.

Wow, I need to worship you, cuz you must be perfect.
Thanks! (It's people like you who boost my ego)

If you were to injure or kill anyone I am related to or care about as a result of your assinine arrogance concerning your driving abilities, I would ensure that you would have no peace for the remainder or your life, how ever long that may or may not be.
Luckily for me (I guess), my driving abilities are far superior than all of your relatives and friends, and I will avoid any and all dumbass moves they may make, even if I'm going the speed limit. How's that for arrogance? :flipoff2:

Driving at the speeds you guys claim to drive with a trailer in tow, is not confidence, it is blatant arrogance.
How could you possibly know that Dr. Phil?

It's very much like putting 1 live bullet in a clip of blanks, putting the clip in a gun, and pointing it at a crowd of people, and pulling the trigger many times, with your confidence being that you know which 'bullet' is real, and when to stop pulling the trigger. If your right, then MAYBE it will be fine, but if your wrong, someone is dead.
Hahahaha, what a terrible example! That actually sounds safer than speeding with a trailer! At least in that situation, I would count the number of blank bullets I put in the CLIP after the live one. From there, it's a pretty simple math problem that even a non professional could figure out.

Someone mentioned rockcrawling as not being safe either. Well, at least when doing that, I don't have traffic or other people I can injure to worry about, I'm only risking my own life, not anyone else's like you do when you speed with a trailer in tow.
Wrong, you are risking the lives of innocent bystanders when you wheel, unless you wheel alone. What if you happened to roll off one of those infamous VA rocks and hit your head on the cage knocking yourself out? You could possibly land back on all fours while your brainless foot (don't get mad, you're still unconcious :p ) has the thottle wide open and you run over all of your slower friends (not picking on people from VA) and accidentally kill some of them. Yeah, it could happen. Maybe you should start worrying about your own actions before you try to save the world from others.

Ya know what, speeding when towing is just stupid. Do what ya want...Darwin will take care of you sooner or later. I just hope you don't kill an innocent person in the mean time.[/QUOTE]
Darwin = Easter Bunny...don't want to get 'taken care of' by either of them. However, if I have a choice, a Playboy Bunny is real and more my style when I want that kind of service.

:laughing: :laughing:

Chris

TheRamChargerMan

05-08-2007, 07:22 AM

LazyDog

05-08-2007, 08:04 AM

enough rpm for 108MPH? :laughing:

a stock dodge with 3.73 gears will go a lot faster than 108 :)

LazyDog

05-08-2007, 08:06 AM

Dude chill.... in case you have never crossed the I am also amazed that some peopel can't determine what is safe or unsafe for themselfs and need a goverment to tell them what is or is not ok.

never under estimate the intelligence of people.

TheRamChargerMan

05-08-2007, 08:47 AM

enough rpm for 108MPH? :laughing:

a stock dodge with 3.73 gears will go a lot faster than 108 :)

a stock dodge with a ctd maxes out at about 3200-3300 rpm (starts defueling, hence no more power)

with stock tire size (~30") and 3.73 gears, that come to 95 mph if everything else is perfect.

if it is modified to do 4000 rpm, which is quite extensive to do, it theoretically could reach 119 mph

Now, a gasser is a different story, as they can turn more rpm

EMIEVEL

05-08-2007, 10:15 AM

WOW....I must worship you..you are so much better then I

And what the heck is wrong with the english language ??

BTW, I rarely watch TV, and I HAVE had birds fly up and hit my windshield.....more than once.

And I said 'claims' because if your engine is stock and a ctd (an assumption), you would be hard pressed to get enough rpm out of the engine for that speed.

I counted six errors in this quote alone, plus one in your sig. I'm sure I missed a couple. I wouldn't be so picky if you had not come off sounding like such a little whiney cocksucker.

108 is approximately what the guage said when the engine started cutting out. That speedo could be off, but that is all I have to guage my speed. In your calculation, what ratio did you use for 6th gear?

Chris

TheRamChargerMan

05-08-2007, 11:17 AM

Well, I must be an illiterate engineer, as I see nothing wrong with the quote, unless you are talking about the ....... & ' ' things.

I used .75 (real ratio is .73), for ease of calculations. Stock tires are closer to 28.5" tall then the 30" tall I used in my calculations.

And I know about the error in my sig...too lazy to fix it right now

And for the rest of this...little whiney cocksucker eh ?

Well, it seems to me everyone was posting there thoughts on the issue, so I followed suit. Maybe you just took more offense to it than normal.

And since you seem to be practicing your english teaching skills, there are 5 mistakes in your post.......................

Hey, I fixed it for ya........

and good for you, you used the correct spelling of gauge/gage

ramv

05-08-2007, 11:33 AM

1) if caught speeding at 108, your cdl would be gone for life....period.

2) you must be rich to afford the fuel at those speeds

3) are you so damn arrogant to think that at that speed, you would be able to avoid death if a tire blew out, either on the truck OR the trailer ?

4) or that you would have been able to avoid the small animal that may runout in front of you

5) or the bird that may fly in your path and hit your windshield ?

6) or that your trailer brakes will actually work when you need to stop from those speeds in an emergency

I will qualify this by saying I almost always travel at the speed limit empty or towing.

Your information is flawed.

1) Show me that law. I know several people who have CDLs and tickets for 100+.

2) Time is money, how can you judge the economy of other people's time vs that of other people's vehicles?

3) What makes a blow out at any speed safe or unsafe? I have lost trailer tires and truck tires at speed and just easing around town. The only time it was more then just easing over to the shoulder was losing a famed Firestone ATX on an ice road at 25 mph....

4) Have you ever taken any training? Don't swerve. How is that different at 100, 65, or 30?

5) Once again, what difference does the speed make? I have had an owl take out a fender and a windshield at 40. Would I and my passenger have died if I was going 60? Seems unlikely.

6) Why would they not work at 100? What emergency can you stop for with a trailer at 65? It takes longer. Riding somebodys bumper at 65 is far more unsafe then being 200 yards back at 100.

This is about personal responsibility. Like I said I travel at or below the speed limit, but I have seen more near wrecks and wrecks with people, cops, and truckers travelling at lower speeds then higher.

TheRamChargerMan

05-08-2007, 11:46 AM

1) The laws have currently changed, and the consequences of breaking them are more severe on a cdl carrying individual, ar at least that is what DOT told me when I was looking into getting a cdl.

2) Again, on most vehicles, above about 65 mph, the returns gained by saving time are not as great as the expense of driving that fast.

3) Well, if you're doing 80-100 mph, and lose a front tire, the forces generated by that will be much greater than at lower speeds. It will be much harder to control. Simple physics.

4) Yes, I have had training. And yes, it is generally best not to swerve, but the human reaction to such an unexpected event is to naturally swerve away. This would be even more so at such an increased speed. And as said above, hitting such an animal at higher speeds involves much greater forces, and much more strength to control.

5) Again, simple physics. If the owl hits the windshield at 35 mph, it may bounce off, or only crack it. But if that same owl hits it at say 80 mph, it will possibily come thru the windshield, but at the least, it will shatter the windshield and make it very hard to see.

6) The increased stopping distance gives much more time and better odds that they will fade and/or fail, or lock up completely.

I agree, you see more wrecks/near wrecks at lower speeds, but the ones I have seen are either someone towing who has no right to be driving, let alone towing, or people who ARE speeding not judging the distance./speed to the slower drivers correctly.