3,4,5,6 Paved

[Never Monday]

A friend just got back from riding 4 wheelers up there. I haven't been since Spring Fling. anyway he's saying the 3,4, 5, 6 are basically paved with drainage culverts every 50 yards or so. So much so you could drive a Civic down them.
Is this true? I'm glad the water work is ongoing, but....

[s10er8]

Can anyone verify this?

[redman_30_06]

I just got back today from Tellico. Trail 4 and 5 have been worked on there are water breaks about every 30 yards and most of the obstacles have been filled in. We went up Guardrail and Helicopter pad they haven't changed a whole lot with the exception of more water breaks and sediment traps. Upper 2 is much easier now the rock that stuck out of the bank on the ledge has been pulled out and is now laying at the bottom of the ledge.

[novacayne75]

that sucks i havent been this year but i went to windrock and it was the same way i heard the same group attacked them but wernt as lucky since the land is private owned by a multi-million dollar mining corp.

[redman_30_06]

There was also a guy in the parking area handing out surveys. He was from the University of TN. According to the letter that is with it, it's for the FS.

[chris demartini]

What's fain's ford looking like? I hope that doesn't get mowed down to nothing, I've always had fun on it. I know there was always a lot of drainage work around the top of it.

[Never Monday]

What's fain's ford looking like? I hope that doesn't get mowed down to nothing, I've always had fun on it. I know there was always a lot of drainage work around the top of it.

that was "fixed" last year. You can't play on the wall anymore. There are plans for a 40 ton bridge.

[krawler00]

Trails are more moderate now. Only real fun trail now is schoolbus. It has gotten more rutted but it offers the best climb out there in my opinion. I can wheel in 2 wd almost everywhere but school, heli, and guardrail. Still fun and worth the drive!

[chris demartini]

Well in that case I'm glad I have gotten to spend as much time down there as I have because it doesn't sound like it's worth the 860 mile trip from NJ anymore.

:(

[rock-rod]

Well in that case I'm glad I have gotten to spend as much time down there as I have because it doesn't sound like it's worth the 860 mile trip from NJ anymore.

:(

and that's exactly what the FS needs to know.

They are costing the town $$

I know I won't be back and I let them know it.

[k9crazy]

Well in that case I'm glad I have gotten to spend as much time down there as I have because it doesn't sound like it's worth the 860 mile trip from NJ anymore.

:(

and that's exactly what the FS needs to know.

They are costing the town $$

I know I won't be back and I let them know it.

Well, then, TU and SELC and the FS (to a point) are getting exactly what they want. Remember, they do not want us there. If there is no demand for the use, there will be no Tellico. The more we piss and moan about things being paved and how Tellico sucks now, the farther away it slips from us. And if we tell them that we won't come back, then they win.

Remember, most of the work up there isn't done by the FS, but by volunteers with SFWDA. We do what we have to do to keep the area open. If that means some of the trails are easier, then so be it. At least there are still trails.

[Yota Up]

Need pics. Ya'll take pictures when you go out, right? Let's see it.

[rock-rod]

Well, then, TU and SELC and the FS (to a point) are getting exactly what they want. Remember, they do not want us there. If there is no demand for the use, there will be no Tellico. The more we piss and moan about things being paved and how Tellico sucks now, the farther away it slips from us. And if we tell them that we won't come back, then they win.

Remember, most of the work up there isn't done by the FS, but by volunteers with SFWDA. We do what we have to do to keep the area open. If that means some of the trails are easier, then so be it. At least there are still trails.

believe me, I am plenty versed on tellico and have spent a lot of time there as a volunteer working on the trails to keep them open. My first trip was in 1991 and my last was in 2004. I volunteered at least once a year when I lived on the east coast. I have since moved to CO so a trip to wheel out there is not in the near future for me (gas too expensive).

IMO, It's not up to just the wheelers to keep it open, but also the local economy that the wheelers support when we spend out money there. Gas, groceries, lodging, dining, parts, and other tourist areas (maggie valley, dollywood, Ashville, ect) all benefit from our incremental spending. If the local economy wants to keep that support, they need to step up as well and work with us. This was very much highlighted in my letters.

This isn't about having 'easier' trails, it's about having trails to ride on period.

I also know that money talks.

[redman_30_06]

Need pics. Ya'll take pictures when you go out, right? Let's see it.

I didn't even take a camera with me.:(

The survey that they gave me has a section to break down all the money you spent within 25 miles of the trails. It also asks if you will be visiting less becaues of the trail closures. I would really like to know who this survey is going to benefit.

[chris demartini]

Well, then, TU and SELC and the FS (to a point) are getting exactly what they want. Remember, they do not want us there. If there is no demand for the use, there will be no Tellico. The more we piss and moan about things being paved and how Tellico sucks now, the farther away it slips from us. And if we tell them that we won't come back, then they win.

Remember, most of the work up there isn't done by the FS, but by volunteers with SFWDA. We do what we have to do to keep the area open. If that means some of the trails are easier, then so be it. At least there are still trails.

What do you suggest? Come down anyway? That's fine if you're local, but at $5/gal it will cost me about $720 in diesel just to go to the Cabins and back. That doesn't count fuel for my rig, grocieries, Rib Country (damn do I spend a lot there) or lodging at the Cabins. I fully support the SFWDA and their fight and will gladly donate some $, but I simply can't justify the trip anymore if all the good trails are shut down and the rest can be done in 2WD.

[jbdbloh7]

What do you suggest? Come down anyway? That's fine if you're local, but at $5/gal it will cost me about $720 in diesel just to go to the Cabins and back. That doesn't count fuel for my rig, grocieries, Rib Country (damn do I spend a lot there) or lodging at the Cabins. I fully support the SFWDA and their fight and will gladly donate some $, but I simply can't justify the trip anymore if all the good trails are shut down and the rest can be done in 2WD.

I second that. I have made the trip every year for the last five and was fortunate to run last summer before they really modified things. I live in southern Massachusetts and will not likely make the Dixie Run this year because of the cost/benefit. Shameful, as I have some great local friends that I love to visit, but we four wheeled and now they are all buying motorcyles since the wheeling seems to be going away. Steve C sold his place at the right time in my estimation, he must have read the writting on the wall...

[k9crazy]

What do you suggest? Come down anyway? That's fine if you're local, but at $5/gal it will cost me about $720 in diesel just to go to the Cabins and back. That doesn't count fuel for my rig, grocieries, Rib Country (damn do I spend a lot there) or lodging at the Cabins. I fully support the SFWDA and their fight and will gladly donate some $, but I simply can't justify the trip anymore if all the good trails are shut down and the rest can be done in 2WD.

I hear ya. I know it's expensive, and for you it doesn't make much sense. But for those that can make it, please don't write it off yet.

[krawler00]

How is the lawsuit coming? Hope something positive comes out of it!!

[s10er8]

I have one question about the whole process of maintenance. If the entire trail was nothing but rock there would be nothing for them to complain about as long as we stay on the trail

So what gives? If anything I say let nature run it's course until it's pure rock.

[KiGrind]

I have one question about the whole process of maintenance. If there are bare rocks on the trail, why cover them up with dirt? If the entire trail was nothing but rock there would be nothing for them to complain about as long as we stay on the trail

So what gives? Why is dirt hauled into the trail after people are already crying about erosion? If anything I say let nature run it's course until it's pure rock.



How long was the trail exposed before they added dirt? I only took a simple geology class in high school, but something tells me it would be impossible in the Appalachians mountains to get pure rock without pavement.

[s10er8]

If anything dig out on the uphill side of it to stop the water instead of covering it up with dirt.


I was just asking, what makes them flatten the trails? Does the FS make them do it?

[s10er8]

I said that a long time ago

rock=doesnt wash away

Make every trail rock LOL

[Cochese]

Just to add some input...
I am not sure when the ATV's were up there but I went to Tellico the weekend of 4/12/08 and this is what I noticed.

Trail 6 was closed for maintanence.

Trail 5 was basically paved (large packed gravel) all the way to the intersection with 4. Shame, a few years ago this had some good spots shortly after the water crossing (now bridge).

Trail 4 was pretty much the same as it always has been. Rocky with minor rock obstacles. BTW, I did notice that large boulders are now on the top of the "wall" at Fain's Ford during a night ride. That used to be a fun place to eat lunch/play before heading over to slickrock.

Trail 3 was pretty much the same as it always has been. Never really had anything on it. The only time I go on this one is when we go up schoolbus and down pinch rock. I regret it every time and tell myself that turning around and going down schoolbus is WAY shorter.....and it is.

[KiGrind]

I should have my new transmission installed within two weeks, should I waste the money on a new front drive shaft? Glad I got to ride so much growing up with my dad, and driving it for the first time during last years Dixie run. Pretty sad. Can't wait to see how the lawsuit turns out.

[mjhoward]

On May 10,08 I made my first trip to tellico from the NC side and there was 9 of us total. We went down 4 and had fun but then it got boring on 6 and 3. We had mostly barely over stock jeeps with 2 bigger ones. I had a cj5 with 33's, 3" lift and locker in front and posi in rear. We had a bone stock cj7 with shackles and 33 all terrains that had little issues and a TJ with 2" lift and 31 bfg at's with lockers front and rear that had no issues other than dragging a lot.
No one pulled cable until School Bus when on of the bigger guys went up and rolled coming down ( 1 tons and 38's). We had a good trip overall. The worst I can say about tellico is what I saw was stock to moderate then -oh holly hell bad with little moderate-rough if you wanted to. I was bored most of the day but take into count that we didnt hit but a 1/4 of it. Trail 6 was as pathetically as easy as 3. 4 was the best overall trail that I saw and we hit 5 as well.

[s10er8]

Trail 4 is friggin' awesome on 33's

[Skerb]

On May 10,08 I made my first trip to tellico from the NC side and there was 9 of us total. We went down 4 and had fun but then it got boring on 6 and 3. We had mostly barely over stock jeeps with 2 bigger ones. I had a cj5 with 33's, 3" lift and locker in front and posi in rear. We had a bone stock cj7 with shackles and 33 all terrains that had little issues and a TJ with 2" lift and 31 bfg at's with lockers front and rear that had no issues other than dragging a lot.
No one pulled cable until School Bus when on of the bigger guys went up and rolled coming down ( 1 tons and 38's). We had a good trip overall. The worst I can say about tellico is what I saw was stock to moderate then -oh holly hell bad with little moderate-rough if you wanted to. I was bored most of the day but take into count that we didnt hit but a 1/4 of it. Trail 6 was as pathetically as easy as 3. 4 was the best overall trail that I saw and we hit 5 as well.

just add water:smokin:

[Skerb]

just got back from tellico this weekend, like was said earlier the rock on upper 2 has fallen in which was still fun but they paved the back side of the trail...after the ledges goign up you could honestly take a stock liberty on the trail. 5 is the same way. Guardrail and helipad were fun as was schoolbus...i just hope this wasnt my last trip before some of them are closed forever....

here are some pics for reference:

upper 2
http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v282/232/24/1113660251/n1113660251_30507151_382.jpg

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v282/232/24/1113660251/n1113660251_30507144_7841.jpg

heli pad
http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v282/232/24/1113660251/n1113660251_30507192_5666.jpg

guardrail
http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v282/232/24/1113660251/n1113660251_30507186_3468.jpg

[6gun]

I'm kinda a newbie at the rockcrawling thing but I have been fourwheeling since infancy (trail riding, backwoods exploring, etc.) Last year I had the opportunity to drive thru trail 1 in my bone stock Suzuki Sidekick 4dr. it was a blast! Tuesday July 1st I ran trail 4&6 in my 95 Wrangler 3.5lift and 33 Cooper ST no lockers. I say it was alot of fun, you CANNOT run that trail in civic or very many newer stock vehicles that I know of (aside from wranglers or maybe FJ cruisers). I hope we can keep as much of the trail system open as possible, so that we can preserve the less hardcore for people like me. I did meet the young man from UT at the fee station and I will be mailing back his survey. I also talked with a Ranger working on the sediment monitoring stations and his remark was the sediment collecting basins will go a long way toward keeping trails open. Sorry for the long post but I'm southern you Know how we talk.

[floridazj]

we all just got back last weekend and got to see the trails...

-can't play on the wall at fains ford--they have some huge boulders at the top of it.

-trail 5 IS paved with gravel. I was going about 20mph on it in blinding rain. It can be used as a good cut through for saving time though.

-trail 6 has been worked on, but I couldn't see much. I huge monsoon hit when we were on this. I did it in 2 wheel on 36s b/c my dana 30 was limping. haven't torn into it to see what the pop was...

-trail 4 has also been worked on. did this 2 wheel also.

-->Just a side note. We got to see the sediment traps working in person. Or might I say lack of working. They were overflowing and not doing a damn thing. There needs to be more of them for this idea to work. Also, there needs to be a secondary sediment pool for each of the current pools to control overflow when it occurs.