Recently a story was posted about a problem with two Toyota 3rd members. A gentleman named ********* believed he recieved the wrong ratio and was very upset, as most people would be. The two 3rd members were received back at Randy's Ring & Pinion and turned out to be 5.29 ratios, the exact ratio Pat orderd.
Sometimes mistakes are made by consumers and by companies selling parts. Everyone's goal is to get the best deal and go "wheeling" but sometimes when problems arise consumers are asked to return parts for inspection. This is not fun for the company and especially not fun for the individual waiting to get his fresh set of bogger's dirty.
If a vehicle is built to be a daily driver, trail rig and ARCA competition rig it's normal for parts to break and problems to come up. When you believe you have recieved wrong parts, send them back. When parts break, send them back. This is the best way to work with your vendors.Even though you may have your rig down and may incur shipping costs your vendors will work with you. Keep receipts and a record of who you talked to for a clear line of communication and your problems will be solved faster.
Randy's Ring & Pinion welcomes and thanks every one for all their comments.
Paul Carey
Technical Advisor
Randy's Ring & Pinion

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: PISSED OFF CAMO ]

unbelievable. what a <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0">, all that and they were 5.29's all along?!?!?!?!? <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

So I think what you are saying is that we now have to mecilessly rip on this Pat person for not being able to figure out what gear ratio he had <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Hehe, this ought to be a good one... <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

Good GAWD!


Several of us told them all along to CHECK THE DIFFS!


What MORONS!!! What <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0"> !!!

<IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

The other side of the story. HMMM, makes you think <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I am sorry, but I gotta rip on them a LOT for this... <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">

If you are not bright enough to know what gears you are ordering, not bright enough to check you got what you ordered, and then aren't bright enough to KNOW WHAT YOU GOT once it is in...

YOU NEED TO FIND A NEW SPORT!!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0">

Oh, and I can;t wait to see all of you other <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0"> who were bashing Randy's over this...

Who are the <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0"> now????


BWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I was wondering how you can tell what size gears you're running without looking at them. Hey I have a question why did you guys not sell here in California until just recently? Just curious. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>I am sorry, but I gotta rip on them a LOT for this... <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">

If you are not bright enough to know what gears you are ordering, not bright enough to check you got what you ordered, and then aren't bright enough to KNOW WHAT YOU GOT once it is in...


YOU NEED TO FIND A NEW SPORT!!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

<IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> Ditto that David...........sounds like Plastic/Checkbook wheelers to me.LOL Dont get me wrong everone fawks up but please look at what you buy before you install people........ <IMG SRC="smilies/redface.gif" border="0">

I mean JEEEEEESSSSSUUUUUUUSSSSS!


We sat here & told you how to count the teeth to know! You had to pul lthem out to send them back, so wny not count teeth and save the shipping????

You people deserve every single extra dime you have to fork over for this... Definately stupid tax in the highest bracket <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

<IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> That is damn funny!!! Somebody can't count to 5!! <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

Ah, I think the tire turned 4 times but I'm not really sure there Clem....What do you think?? <IMG SRC="smilies/rasta.gif" border="0">

And all that shit talkin that went on.............LOL Nice way to brand a vendor.

Thanks Paul Carey to come on this board and give us the other side of the story!! it really clears things up

HAHAHAHA - cyberwheelers!!!!

Come AWN and respond!!!!! I need a good laugh!!!!


P.S. - Randy's R & P - give a big thanks to "mike" for me. I called and he was more than helpful!!!!

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: brector ]

While it amazes me to the point of disbelief that someone could mess up two different ways of checking the gear ratio in the vehicle, he did admit that he was not mechanically inclined one bit. No excuse though. But what bugs me more is that he is named by Sir Name in a public forum by a vendor, almost as if to make him look bad among his peers. While I don't condone the bashing of a company without a valid reason, I never expect to see a company indirectly bash back. Just not professional.

Just my POV

They sure tried to bash Randy's on this board and besides we all knew who he was talking about but they still shouldn't of named him.

Originally posted by Patman:
<STRONG>But what bugs me more is that he is named by Sir Name in a public forum by a vendor, almost as if to make him look bad among his peers. </STRONG>

Oh <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> not the best business practice, but IMHO very fitting <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Maybe that will teach cyver wheelers in the future to check themselves before they think they can come on the web and spout off about a company and get away with it.

Because of their ignorance, they caused THOUSANDS of readers to doubt the service and workmanship of Randy's. And that is something they cannot take back!

Again, I say they deserve to be publicly scolded for their attack on Randy's - and I pray every person who read that other thread reads this one so they don't go away thinking Randy's screwed up when it is painfully obvious they DID NOT <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0">

LOL, after all that...!!!

I think its good that Randy's came in to set the record straight and stand up for themselves (I didn't see the customer do it for them!). I don't really think that mentioning the customer by name was particularly uncalled for either.

I hope somebody is <IMG SRC="smilies/redface.gif" border="0"> and learns a few things from all of this. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

I should not waste my time to reply to this, as we do not care what anyone of you on this board thinks.
We removed the third members as asked. Before sending the 3rd members back, we had a gear shop check the new 3rds and the old 3rds out, there was an obvious difference between the two sets and Randy's set did not appear to be what we had ordered..
While we had the Randy's gears in our vehicle, like I said before, it did not perform in the way that it should have with the 5:29's ( as it did before with the same drive train set up ). We have since then purchased our 3rd members from west coast Diff, and *POOF* the vehicle is now crawling as it did before any modifications, and when we did the same drive line turn test that Randy's had us do, but with our new gears, the drive line turned 5.29 turns, where randy's gears only turned the drive line 4.1 turns.
Beleive as you wish, we are happy now with our REAL 5:29.
As for Randy's, you have no right to post our REAL PERSONAL FIRST AND LAST NAME on a BB of over 5000 people. Big mistake on your guys part.

Originally posted by FoxxMotoGirl:
I should not waste my time to reply to this, as we do not care what anyone of you on this board thinks.

You cared enough to reply, and enough to start this crap when you obviously did not know whether you got the correct gears or not in the first place!

We removed the third members as asked. Before sending the 3rd members back, we had a gear shop check the new 3rds and the old 3rds out, there was an obvious difference between the two sets and Randy's set did not appear to be what we had ordered..

WHAT? "There was an obvious difference"?

If you had a gear shop check them out - then post EXACTLY what gear ratio then counted... I personally think this is a LIE - because if a "gear shop" checked them, they would tell you the ratio.

And of course there is a difference - you had stock gears, the diff's were 5.29's!

While we had the Randy's gears in our vehicle, like I said before, it did not perform in the way that it should have with the 5:29's ( as it did before with the same drive train set up ). We have since then purchased our 3rd members from west coast Diff, and *POOF* the vehicle is now crawling as it did before any modifications, and when we did the same drive line turn test that Randy's had us do, but with our new gears, the drive line turned 5.29 turns, where randy's gears only turned the drive line 4.1 turns.

But what did your "gear shop" count the teeth to be?????

Beleive as you wish, we are happy now with our REAL 5:29.
As for Randy's, you have no right to post our REAL PERSONAL FIRST AND LAST NAME on a BB of over 5000 people. Big mistake on your guys part.

No, the big mistake was you posting your unfounded accusations here int he first place to smear Randy's...


So clear it up for us - what gear ratio did your "gear shop" find in tRandy's diffs????

maybe the persoms real name should not have been posted but Randys has the right to defend its business and service. but they wanted to bash Randys in the open so Randys should reply in the open! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Oh my gawd, this is fawkin' beautiful <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> Thanks for sharing the other side of the story Paul, and I hope you read the entire slanderous post that started this whole mess.

FoxxMotoItWasntMyFaultGirl, there's nothing special about your name and afaik there's nothing wrong/illegal with posting it. BTW, take note of how he handled the situation... just facts and no slanderous comments (please review your previous posts for an example of slanderous comments).

"Randy's set did not appear to be what we had ordered" <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0"> What the hell is that supposed to mean??? Either you got what you ordered or you didn't. The only thing your posts have accomplished, IMO, is the tarnishing of your own integrity. Best of luck with your "real" gears.

PS
FoxxMotoImNotIgnorantGirl, I'll save you some time <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> From dictionary.com :

slan·der (slndr)
n. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: Eric Ruhl ]

Originally posted by FoxxMotoGirl:
<STRONG>I should not waste my time to reply to this, as we do not care what anyone of you on this board thinks.</STRONG>

You're right - you shouldn't. But like every other time you've gotten your panties in a bunch you decided to post a temper tantrum to all of us that don't care what you think.

Maybe next time you'll count to ten or something. <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

Paul

haha what a moron. I bet you feel like a real dumbass in front of 5000 members huh?

Although Randy's has stated their side of it, just as we have, none of you know the WHOLE ENTIRE STORY detail for detail. Most of you seem to post your rants when you are upset about parts, companies, etc, but when I do the same, I am wrong.
It is not your credit card being charged 1900$ AFTER you have sent a product back.
If you think that it is ok for Randy's to post our LAST NAME on a PUBLIC web page, then you are wrong.
As for calling us Cyber wheelers, hhmm when was the last time you went wheeling DRM? ( mud and fire roads excluded).

Oh my gawd!! What a bright spot in a couple of dark days!! Thanks for the laugh!! <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/roxy.gif" border="0">

Hahahahaha. I can't stop laughing about this now. FoxxMotoGirl, you put yourself in this predicament by starting this post quite some time ago. As for Paul posting your name, there was nothign wrong with that, because we all know who made the post a while back. There was no mention of your last name anyway. Pat is a common name, you came on here and posted away yourself admitting it was you. Next time you order something, make sure it is wha you ordered. when I got my 5.29's for my old toy, I amde sure it was the right R&P before I installed them. Whether or not it was the wrong R&P is still to be known. you say one thing, Paul says another. It was super cool of Paul to come here and address this issue as any proper business man would. You came here first and slandered the company with all sorts of accusations.

Dimitri

Originally posted by FoxxMotoGirl:
<STRONG>If you think that it is ok for Randy's to post our LAST NAME on a PUBLIC web page, then you are wrong.</STRONG>

Can you prove malicious intent? Doubt it. The internet isn't as private as you apparantly think.

<STRONG>As for calling us Cyber wheelers, hhmm when was the last time you went wheeling DRM? ( mud and fire roads excluded).</STRONG>

http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/spit.gif Best thing you've said so far <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Dimitri, their last name was posted earlier but Camo removed it. Say, did you ever see the comedian with the sledgomatic? I can't think of his name right now <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: Eric Ruhl ]

I don't know about anyone else's dealings with Randy's other than my own and three other friends who happen to have participated in the sport for decades and been long time customers Randy's (two of which consistantly use Randy's products in their ARCA vehicles) . I ordered my gears, install kits, and lockers recently from Paul and couldnt be happier with ANY single part of my dealings with him and/or Randy's. Paul's an information dynamo, the parts were top quality & on my doorstep within the same week, and the price was better than I found ANYWHERE. I certainly feel for ANYONE who had a rough dealing with ANY vendor, but Randy's has certainly earned MY business indefinitely. Thanks Paul.

Originally posted by FoxxMotoGirl:
<STRONG>wheelers, hhmm when was the last time you went wheeling DRM? ( mud and fire roads excluded).</STRONG>

Awww.... the best defence you have for your lame story is to attack me now?

I have been wheeling more times in the last 8 years than you have honey, so don;t you worry about me and my off road travels <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">


So you gonna answer? What did your "gear person" say the ratio was?????????

I still smell a LIE

Originally posted by Eric Ruhl:
<STRONG> http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/uploads/spit.gif Best thing you've said so far <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

Dimitri, their last name was posted earlier but Camo removed it. Say, did you ever see the comedian with the sledgomatic? I can't think of his name right now <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0">

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: Eric Ruhl ]</STRONG>

Gallagher!!!! My favorite!!!!! <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Hi All

Just a quick word. We at OTT have dealt with Randy’s Ring I have Met and wheeled at the same events with Paul and had some great conversions with him. I have been through their shop and IMO they are a strait up, totally professional shop and Paul is just a really nice guy.

Rick

PAT, wasn't that a name of a character on SNL?? i believe it was a he-she or a she-he or something...wait i think it was a foxxmotogirl! that is right <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

I have bought precicely 2 sets of gears in my life and both sets came from Randy's.

I think comparing this "mistake" to the Redline deal is way off base, which is what was done.

Go Randy's!

Hell, if Tom at Sunray uses you, I'm sold!

I had a problem with Randy's R&P but they took care of it and made it rite to error is human to not know how to figure out your gear ratio is funny <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

I don't see why he couldn't post your name, you bashed their company by name...but what do I know <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

I've dealt with them before, and about to again, never had any problems

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: Codeman ]

It is nice to hear the other side of the story, and now we all can truely make a judgement for ourselves! The funny thing as I see it, when making the personal attacts, everything is fine. But when people receive the personal responce to their attact, they can't handle it!

I didn't see anything real out of order with the responce, and the responce to the responce would of been fine, w/o the threats and personal attacts.

Poeple must be willing to take what they give!

I still think if everyone on this board would just chill out then this kind of "slandering" and verbal abuse would not occur. When foxxymotogirl first posted about randy's and noone knew the other side of the story everyone bashed randy's. Now that everyone knows randy's side everyone bashed randy's. Now if foxxymotogirl comes back with "proof" that they were 4.10 gears shipped everyone will once agian bash randy's. Both sides of this argument has made critical (I said critical not drastic) mistakes and the people on this board have done nothing but escalate the argument. I thought we were supposed to be united as a country not singling out certain individuals and excluding them. Yes foxxymotogirl made some serious mistakes, and so has randy's. But that does not give you the right to violently attack eithier one of them.

I don't think you should WHINE about your name being posted. Its not like you didn't go out of your way to point out Randy's name and drag them thourgh the mud. Mistakes happen. Believe or not it is YOUR responsiblity to check and see they were right, and if not then send them back. It was damn nice of them to take them back. So suck it up <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

Looks like Randy's Ring and Pinion is vindicated. It is good to hear the other side of the story.

That would be the danger of not hearing both sides of the story. Good luck all at getting that straightened out.

Playing devils advocate, how do we know that Randy's is telling the truth?

After all, Foxmoto and company counted the rotations.

Randy's has a lot to lose.

Originally posted by FoxxMotoGirl:
<STRONG>I should not waste my time to reply to this, as we do not care what anyone of you on this board thinks.
We removed the third members as asked. Before sending the 3rd members back, we had a gear shop check the new 3rds and the old 3rds out, there was an obvious difference between the two sets and Randy's set did not appear to be what we had ordered..
While we had the Randy's gears in our vehicle, like I said before, it did not perform in the way that it should have with the 5:29's ( as it did before with the same drive train set up ). We have since then purchased our 3rd members from west coast Diff, and *POOF* the vehicle is now crawling as it did before any modifications, and when we did the same drive line turn test that Randy's had us do, but with our new gears, the drive line turned 5.29 turns, where randy's gears only turned the drive line 4.1 turns.
Beleive as you wish, we are happy now with our REAL 5:29.
As for Randy's, you have no right to post our REAL PERSONAL FIRST AND LAST NAME on a BB of over 5000 people. Big mistake on your guys part.</STRONG>

I have just one thing to say - if you fear your home address and everything posted here then don't bother being a member. If you have something to hide go hide and DO NOT play a part in this board!

All you had to do was look on the side of the ring gear or divide the pinion teeth number by the ring number - did you do that?
If not your word carries NO weight with me and YOU are the one that posted this so don't go blaming others when it backfires..

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: Brandon ]

Originally posted by Bob/CA:
[QB]Playing devils advocate, how do we know that Randy's is telling the truth?

After all, Foxmoto and company counted the rotations.[QB]

I have asked this repeatedly already - with NO ANSWER.

She claims their "gear shop" checked for them, but said "they looked different".

What gear shop gives that as an answer???

I will continue to call that a LIE intil she posts the exact ratio her "gear shop" said the diff's from Randy's was.

As far as Randy's lying - why??? What would it serve them to lie about this? they have more than enough sales elsewhere that they could ignore the pittiful dissenters here and never feel it in the wallet.

As I see it - they have exactly ZERO incentive to come on here and post anything but the truth...

Do you figure otherwise? I would love to see someone explain to me so I can understand just what incentive they have to come on here and lie <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>
As far as Randy's lying - why??? What would it serve them to lie about this? they have more than enough sales elsewhere that they could ignore the pittiful dissenters here and never feel it in the wallet.

As I see it - they have exactly ZERO incentive to come on here and post anything but the truth...

Do you figure otherwise? I would love to see someone explain to me so I can understand just what incentive they have to come on here and lie <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

I can. Money. They will lose money. After all, that's the bottom line.

Hell, Randy was cheating on his agreement with West Coast Diff, why wouldn't he try to save a few bucks. Not to mention face in front of all of the serious four wheelers in the west coast.

That makes sense to me.

This is an honest board - its a board that tell's it how it is- and keep's vendors honest like they should be - Randy's was making things right by postin up- nice to see vendor's taking notice of this board- Jess

Oh my God! DRM, what gives you the right to post your last name? <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> Very classy response!

Onetoncv, how do you know that they are making it right?

We assume, based on the fact that they came on here, but what did they have to lose?

bob there presence here shows concern on there part - as of making it right ,well that's for all the post ups to decide - and readers - i willfollw this post and see if they respond and take the time to debate this - after all they have to gian or loose with this -

Their presence may also be just CYA.

I don't know either party, but I am suprised how everyone assumed that Randy's is the one telling the truth.

Some of us may not be equipped to defend our position if you know what I mean. That doesn't mean that they were wrong.

I hear Ya- Jesse Barker Jaynes

Jesse, Tammy Jaynes
Paradise, CA 95969
Phone: 530-872-8368


So, maybe names aren't so good.

Bob - I understand your position, but I base my position on the FACTS as stated here so far.

Did you check out the thread that started all of this? if not, I highly suggest you do as it has great bearing on what is goin going here in this thread.

All of that I have read so far on both threads leads me to believe that FoxMoto either does not have a a clue, or she/they are flat out lying...

Personally I dont see any slander in the use of your name. If you read the post by Randys he is actally responding to her post in the first place in a completely professional articulate manner. He actually was trying to help her in her future dealings with any vendor. If he was so concerned with loosing business why(if my memory serves)did he tell her to send the parts back and go elsewhere? I believe that is in her post followed by her slandering his company. I have delt with them, recieved an order, and sent it back, which they paid for the shipping,simply because I went a different route on my project. I had already accepted the parts(and checked them for correctness)then shipped them back so I stand by RANDYS RING AND PINION!!!100% As far as the SNL reply GROW UP!!Thats how slander gets fed <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by Bob/CA:
<STRONG>Jesse, Tammy Jaynes
Paradise, CA 95969
Phone: 530-872-8368


So, maybe names aren't so good.</STRONG>

I hope you are reading right now cause this is a sinking ship and you are right behind Capt. Foxmoto. This is not what Randys did. I am sure this is not the direction randys intended this to go so why drag it out and beat it some more? You dont know the truth and I dont either so whats your point? We will never know so you disagree with some people BIG DEAL. Just ask if you want my ph # and address Ill post it but you gotta promise to come say HI

<IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

You guys are amazing.
I have already said I should not have posted my original post as I did, I would have deleted it, or edited it, but it was a locked topic.
DRM - you can call me a liar, PONYGIRL and whoever else, you can make fun of pats name, and everyone else can say how stupid I am.
We took the gears to a shop and were told they were 4:10 gears. Then, another person checked and they also came up with 4:10.
Just one question. Have all of you never made a mistake?
DRM - you who has been wheeling for some " 8 years ", that makes you an expert?
To those of you sending my private messages saying I am a dumb Bit@h, and I am a F--King moron and so on, grow up.
Like I said before, we or Randy's could post back and forth all night long, but concidering we are bitter with them, and they are bitter with us, it is never going to get solved, and everyone here who has to always down play someone, just because they made a mistake, give it up.
It is simple: unhappy consumer, unhappy vendor, it is a no win situation. They have thier gears back, we have 3rd members that we are completely happy with in the vehicle, end of story.

One more thing, as for our full name being posted, maybe you guys have no problem with it, but we do. Matter of opinion. Randy's could have reffered to the situation, like you guys said " everyone knows who posted the original topic " so why did they need to post personal information, wether it is a first or last name, address, phone number, ex.

i laugh! go GEARMAN or go HOME! jiMMy

Originally posted by FoxxMotoGirl:
<STRONG>Just one question. Have all of you never made a mistake?</STRONG>

Well I certainly can't speak for the others, but the fact that you made a mistake isn't what drew me into this entertaining thread(s). I make mistakes all the time and in the previous thread I related a situation where I made the EXACT same mistake you did. What drew me in was your refusal to accept responsibilty for your own actions and your own mistakes. We've been up and down that road enough already though. It's good to hear you admit you made a mistake, but I wonder if the mistake you're referring to is your failure to confirm your purchase or your decision to deal with Randy's?


<STRONG>To those of you sending my private messages saying I am a dumb Bit@h, and I am a F--King moron and so on, grow up.</STRONG>

Now that ain't cool. http://www.pirate4x4.com/ubb/icons/icon13.gif

<STRONG>One more thing, as for our full name being posted, maybe you guys have no problem with it, but we do. Matter of opinion.</STRONG> Hey, I think all of us would like the internet to be truly anonymous, but isn't. We (at least many of us) realize that, and you don't. Matter of fact. If you're just learning this fact and you're truly concerned about it, then perhaps you should consider refraining from using the internet until you better understand how it works and what information can be revealed without your knowledge or consent. Best of luck to ya.

<STRONG>Randy's could have reffered to the situation, like you guys said " everyone knows who posted the original topic " so why did they need to post personal information, wether it is a first or last name, address, phone number, ex.</STRONG>

They addressed you by your proper name. That's not rude or immoral, that's professional and I personally support it and appreciate it.

Bob, I personally believe Randy's because I don't see any financial gain in any deception in this case. If anything, IMO they'd have more to gain by owning up to any mistake. Look at Redline for example, their reputation was in the trash until Keith came on here and flat out admitted that he screwed up. Just like that he regained my respect (fwiw). Plus their response to the situation was orders of magnitude more professional than the smear story that Foxx initially told. That professionalism alone earns some of my respect.

Thanks to both sides though for a most entertaining thread(s) <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"> Glad it hear it's over. Maybe neither side is happy, but at least it's over <IMG SRC="smilies/beer.gif" border="0">

One more thing, as for our full name being posted, maybe you guys have no problem with it, but we do.

If you have to hide behind a fake name I don't want you here bu bye...

Hehehhehehehheh this Is So funny I Gone for 1 Day Away from the BB and This Is whats Up Come AAAwwwnnnnnnn you Suck and Now Just Swallowed You own Arse hhehehhehehe

Major Mistake Temper Temper you Better Take A chill Pill cause You are Looking foolish Now Save Some face and find A rock!!! hhehhehhehe gearman gearman!!!


oh yeah my Name Is Adam Jozefh Tobias No hiding here !!! <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/thefinger.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

oh yeah this Is what the Motion is <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> http://www.funkypages.com/butthead/butthead.jpg

my opinion and experience is randys

suck.. they sell a infurior product
ther customer servise has not got a clue
on how ther products are made or even
wher they are made. They are willing to lie
to sell products.

on ther side all acounts are that they do
know how to set up gears....

ok yes I can back it up

I bought fj 40 gears from them
they were machined whith a .250 deep half moon grove in the pinion directly after the spline.
Basicaly the shop that made the pinion
probubly used this as clearance in order
to rotate the pinion when milling the spline.
I would guess that they milled in words
rotated shaft then milled out wards.
the prefered method would be mill in words
then out then rotate.


ok that covers the infurior product part
dont belive me ? buy a set of precishion
gears then compare them to a set that
randys sold. note (4.10 ratio )


the rest is only my experience I
talked to them over 5 times they
told me at first that all fj gears were made
by the same company this was wrong,

After some reserch I did find out that
most if not all raw stock or the blank
part that is made at a foundry.
ie the raw material before it is machined
is made by the same company in italy
or india.

you think randys would know this not a chance,
not at least untell I told them,


belive what you want but I know the truth.


ps as I said before this is only my opinion
and maybe randys has discontinued ther adds saying they are the best, maybe they now sell a better product maybe they now train ther
customer servise peopple better.

boy thats a lot of maybes.

ps if you can prove that I lied then I
will gladly post my adress and full name
other wise I would aprichiate it if it
wasnt posted thank you

Does Randy's actually "Make" gears? I have gotten 2 different kinds of gears both times I have used them.

I have a problem believing they actually produce the gears they sell, and if that is the case, how can you say their gears suck?

Just wondering. <IMG SRC="smilies/csmile.gif" border="0">

Yo, Foxy ...
Your second biggest gripe beyond getting the "wrong gears' was that Randy's wouldn't refund you for the $500 you spent installing them.
That WAS an unreasonable demand (as I stated earlier) and Randy's was savy enough not to buy into it. I am sure they have 'been there-done that' many times before and rightfully wanted to see and confirm your claims for themselves.
Your turning point occured when you did have them installed, as pointed out to you by many here.
Randy's was willing to 'take the hit' even after that point and they were professional enough to offer to take their merchandise back ... even in their used condition.
Lady, you 'screwed the pooch' at every step in this fiasco and Randy's on the other hand made every effort to resolve your "problem" in a reasonable, forthright, and honest manner.
So now, instead of hiding your face in shame, here you come again. This time with lame whimperings ... Ugh!

<IMG SRC="smilies/crybaby2.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/clown.gif" border="0">

WHERE IS YOUR APPOLOGY? <IMG SRC="smilies/pissed.gif" border="0">
Without one, you further shame yourself.

After re-reading the posts I have an opinion.

Foxx stated after the gears were installed they did not act like a 5.29 ratio would and more like a 4.10 which is a huge difference. She had two shops check them and they turned out to be 4.10. 5.29 and 4.10 are totally night and day and she stated after getting another set of 5.29 installed it acted fine.

My opinion has changed. I think Randy's Ring and Pinion is lying. They have a lot to loose, this board is viewed by millions and what people read they believe. Rather than Foxx there is no one to dispute the arguement so they have open fire to say whatever they want. I think this whole thing is <IMG SRC="smilies/rainbow.gif" border="0">

Originally posted by FoxxMotoGirl:
<STRONG>To those of you sending my private messages saying I am a dumb Bit@h, and I am a F--King moron and so on, grow up.
</STRONG>

Well, since you brought me into this, I'd like to comment on this particular quote. I have two pms in my box from YOU calling ME a dumb bitch. So if you think you have the right to do that to me, then everyone else on this board has their right to form an opinion of YOU and let you know how they feel.

So like you were saying..."grow up"

how do you know the shop didn't just turn the idle down to make it seem like it is going slower?

Originally posted by FoxxMotoGirl:
<STRONG>Have all of you never made a mistake?
</STRONG>

I make mistakes all the time - then I post pictures so everyone else can laugh with me. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

<STRONG>
One more thing, as for our full name being posted, maybe you guys have no problem with it, but we do. Matter of opinion.</STRONG>

If you're not willing to say something when your identity is known, then you shouldn't say it when you're hiding behind a pseudoname.

Just like folks emailing you about being a dumb b*tch. Would they tell that to your face? or are they hiding behind an email address?

Besides.. I get ten e-mails a day from some moron with "Find out anything about anyone" SPAM for finding out more information than I ever wanted to know about anyone on the Internet.

Not that I haven't been doing that since before this spammer bought his email list.. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">

[ 09-14-2001: Message edited by: tsm1mt ]

Originally posted by Brandon Daniel Miller:
<STRONG>how do you know the shop didn't just turn the idle down to make it seem like it is going slower?
&
If you have to hide behind a fake name I don't want you here bu bye...</STRONG>

Damn it, then you guys would know me! i am thinking of changeing my name to Brandon, and causeing some havok!

LOL on the idle as well, maybe the parking brake was put on slightly as well

I also had problems with Randy's awhile back and posted here asking for help OR other people that had similar experiences. The responses were less than friendly and my resolution post was deleted by a moderator.

Even though everything was resolved and my bogus charges were refunded, I now know that the their customer service sucks ass and I am not the only one having problems.

shop elsewhere.

I have no reason to believe that Paul was lying. I have personally delt with him several times as has many of the local shops I frequent. While there may have been problems, they have always been fixed in a proper manor.

FoxMoto: When people are dissatisfied with a company, they bash it by name.
My question, why shouldn't they be able to mention that persons name that IS doing the bashing?

If some one was talking crap about me and it wasn't true, I would DEFINATELY metion that person's name!!!

My apologies, this is not meant to pi$$ anyone off. Just my Opinion.

You know - this is what still bothers me.

I know Toyota's pretty well - and I know that there is a BIG.. no, HUGE difference in driving a truck with 4.10's and 5.29's - especially on the road.

She claims they were "not sure" and that they really only noticed when the truck "crawled" different off road.

I can tell you without a doubt that you could tell the difference in gears as soon as you let the clutch out to pull it out of the garage!

Nope, the story still just doesn't fit....

only in america...

I bought fj 40 gears from them
they were machined whith a .250 deep half moon grove in the pinion directly after the spline.
Basicaly the shop that made the pinion
probubly used this as clearance in order
to rotate the pinion when milling the spline.


This may be a perfectly acceptable way to make them. the "half moon" as you call it is a neck down intended to relieve stress at its greatest concentration, the end of the splines. WE went round an' round this one in relation to axles - and the conclusion seemed to be that it was a matter of application (max fatigue life, or max resistance to large one-time momentary overload stress) as to whether it was the best way to go or not, but you may find that it was done on purpose for a good reason.

Now - i haven't seen it - so I can't be sure, and as you say - it may have been poor workmanship - but I doubt it.

I also don't think Randy's machines pinions???

Originally posted by David Raymond Moore: PROUD AMERICAN:
<STRONG>You know - this is what still bothers me.

I know Toyota's pretty well - and I know that there is a BIG.. no, HUGE difference in driving a truck with 4.10's and 5.29's - especially on the road.

She claims they were "not sure" and that they really only noticed when the truck "crawled" different off road.

I can tell you without a doubt that you could tell the difference in gears as soon as you let the clutch out to pull it out of the garage!

Nope, the story still just doesn't fit....</STRONG>

ggeeesssssshhhhh!
Yes we noticed a diffrence when we first drove the truck, we noticed the diffrence driving up our steep driveway. The day the truck was returned home, we left to go wheeling, on a trail about, oh, about 2 miles from home. The combination of driving on the road, and then wheeling the truck, we begain to wonder about the gears.
We tested the truck agenst another truck that is set up the exact same ( as far as trans cases and having 5:29, same tires). there was a diffrence.
We called Randy's talked to a cool guy about it for a while, he asked us to do a drive line turn test. We did that, no complaints. The man told us the front drive line should turn 5.29 times with one full tire turn. It turned a little over 4 times.
Yes I did ask for 500 dollars, I already said in the other post i should not have, but I did.
Randy's kept us waiting almost a full week, telling us they would put together a new set of 3rd members, call us monday so they could send them out overnite. Monday they called having changed their minds saying we had until friday to send our 3rd members back and to go somewhere else.
We were pissed yes, we lost a whole week of time waiting for them to change their minds.
We took the third members out of the truck, and took them to two diffrent places, both places said that they were not 5:29.
We had problems with UPS for a week before they would take two boxes that were neatly packed and labeled to return to Randy's. It has been well over a week since Randy's received the boxex.
They called us saying the had sent us 5:29, and they would not refund our credit card. We told them, you have the gears back, we want our money back.
Well to this point in time, we still have 1900$ on our credit card they refuse to refund. We have stopped payment on the card and are trying to dispute the charges, but should not have to. They have their parts, we should get our money back.
The new third members from West Coast compared to the 3rds from Randy's looked like two complete diffrent things.
With the new gears in the truck, we again did the drive line test Randy's told us to do, and what do you know, the front driveline turned 5.29 times. Truck does wonders on the trail, and now can be driven up the driveway with no problem.
Randy's says the gears the sent were stamped 5:29, thats fine, so do the ones we replaced them with.
We know that the first set were not right, no matter what Randy's says. If they were the 5:29 they were saposed to be, why is there such a diffrence in performance between theres and the gears from West Coast?

[ 09-14-2001: Message edited by: FoxxMotoGirl ]

go drive a truck with 4.10's and the same size tires and see if you change your mind

Originally posted by FoxxMotoGirl:
<STRONG>ggeeesssssshhhhh!
Yes we noticed a diffrence when we first drove the truck, we noticed the diffrence driving up our steep driveway.
</STRONG>

So did you notice a difference from stock to the Randy's gears? Is that what you're saying?

<STRONG>
We tested the truck agenst another truck that is set up the exact same ( as far as trans cases and having 5:29, same tires). there was a diffrence.
</STRONG>

Same motor, same idle speed, same engine condition?

My rig crawls MUCH better with a V8 than it did with a 4cyl with NO other changes. :-)

<STRONG>
We were pissed yes, we lost a whole week of time waiting for them to change their minds.
</STRONG>

A whole week! WOW! I'm going to have to call TriCountyGear and have a chat about the 2+ MONTHS it took just to get a steering arm from them...

<STRONG>
We took the third members out of the truck, and took them to two diffrent places, both places said that they were not 5:29.
</STRONG>

Did I hear you paid $500 to have the 3rd members installed, but you took them out yourself? Really, how hard can it be to put a removeable 3rd member in/out?

<STRONG>
With the new gears in the truck, we again did the drive line test Randy's told us to do, and what do you know, the front driveline turned 5.29 times.
</STRONG>
You can count that accurately that you know it only turned 5.29 times? I'm impressed!

<STRONG>
Truck does wonders on the trail, and now can be driven up the driveway with no problem.
</STRONG>

Must a Toy Thing needin' new gears to go up a driveway.. LOL

I think that both parties are probably not as innocent as they would like us to think, but at least RR&P are showing some maturity.

-Hayraker

Originally posted by DRM:
<STRONG>I mean JEEEEEESSSSSUUUUUUUSSSSS!


We sat here & told you how to count the teeth to know! You had to pul lthem out to send them back, so wny not count teeth and save the shipping????

You people deserve every single extra dime you have to fork over for this... Definately stupid tax in the highest bracket <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
I find that so unbelivable, fawk I mean WTF count as we all told you. Shit you had them out, Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Originally posted by Flatty:
<STRONG>
Dimitri Gerasim Andruha
2320 Cecilia Ave
San Francisco, CA 94116</STRONG>

Good, now that I know who you are and where you live, I am going to come by after my class, find you and kill you! <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> muhaaahaaa! <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/laughing.gif" border="0">

Bring it on Ballcrusher, hell I am only a few blocks away from SF state, but once you kill me, you will have to deal with the girlfriend, and I can't even handle her

Dimitri

I am sory if I made it sound as if randys
machines there ring and pinion gears.

I belive I did state that they did not
know who does machine ther gears.

ok from what they told me
they buy large quantitys of gears from
a whole saler and then repackage them
whith ther own brand name.
dont belive this? Go to ther web site and
you can see them repackageing throw out
bearings.

my opinion is that they buy the chepest
parts and gears available. and resell for
a healthy profit.

but then again it is only my opinion
hey some one might want infurior products.


ps I notice that dina trac sells the
most exspensive product available
but you dont see peopple complaining
about any thing except a little grumbleing
about the price.

this tels me that if you are good you
can charge what you want it is the posers
that need to change.

ps good try on saying the half moon cut is
a benefit. it made me smile wow!!!now I am laughing.
ps your coment reminds me of a true story about some one who sold
the golden state brige they convinced a salvage company that it was going to come down and agreed to take a bribe in exchange
for the company getting the contract to
demolish the brige.
some peopple will fall for any thing.
ps might not be a true story???
after all a story is a fable and a fable is a lie

I guess it depends on what your defenition of is is.

Originally posted by Adam Ant:
<STRONG>oh yeah this Is what the Motion is <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0"> http://www.funkypages.com/butthead/butthead.jpg </STRONG>

OMG!!! That is soooo funny...sorry, but this is getting more and more entertaining. <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/bounce2.gif" border="0">

ps good try on saying the half moon cut is
a benefit. it made me smile wow!!!now I am laughing

WTF does "good try" mean you fool??

I was trying to help you, by educating you, about matters of FACT, for no benefit to myself. I'm not affiliated with anyone.

You're laughing at me for trying to help you? Well, my semi-literate friend I shall then laugh at you!

PS - Try reading something or at least listening to people who know more than you.

I would like to point out that just as they posted they were not 5.29s and then Paul at Randy's posted that they were 5.29s. This argument has now swayed both ways basically on he said she said evidence. No one but the 2 parties have actually seen the gear sets and they are both trying to save face. I say there isn't enough info to form an opinion either way. <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> I am not siding with anyone I'm just saying that no one has provided any hard evidence at all for either side.

Foxy.....you've learned a lesson here....shake it off and go wheeling...no body should take this stuff personal....it's called communication and it's a beautiful thing.
Remember......A sad day go's by if you don't learn something... <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

Actually none of you know the truth so, none of you should be able to comment on who is right or wrong.

If the consumer felt like they were ripped off they should have went to the Better Business Bureau. They should have also gotten written documentation from the gearshop that inspected the difs. $1900 is a lot of money.

Every one of you also have the ability to check out Randy's for complaints. Personally.......I WOULD buy from Randy's if I needed something from them. BUT, That doesn't mean that the consumer is lying. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

I bought a "complete" kit from Randy's and it showed less pinion bearings and cups, shims, packaging material and seal. I made do and did not call to whine however, the "kit" I got from West Coast Diff had all of the above, gears from the same manufactuer, same price and no silly ass "Yukon Gear" sticker.I'm not the type to call and whine, I simply tote my business elsewhere, needless to say, WCD will get my gear orders from now on. <IMG SRC="smilies/usa.gif" border="0">