Has anyone seen the new "Power Wagon" prototype with the cummins?
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/dodge/0807dp_2007_dodge_ram_2500_power_wagon/dodge_cummins_diesel_engine.html
I would love to see how much fender they had to cut to fit those 40's:eek:

about this much....

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/3/web/279000-279999/279576_169_full.jpg :D

although I don't actually know, I can imagine it is quite a bit. The trucks have more fender that can be cut than the previous gen. It would definitely be cool to see how it sits. the 3" KORE kit must push the axle forward a bit or there is no way you could cleanly get the 40s to fit. Damn Chrysler making it harder to be unique

Yeah, your truck is what I thought about when I saw this. I wonder what the fender flares are made to fit. They clearly arn't made for the dodge since they cover part of the headlight on the side and still line up with the bumper after it was pushed forward. Also looks like the door was "clearanced to open around the flare. Still a badass setup. Maybe if this does makeit to production in some form, the aftermarket might step up with some bigger shafts for the frontend.

yah, they aren't dodge, probably a superduty. the lines match close enough that you could modify the cutouts to work if you had time and patience, and skill....

definitely cool to see the manufacturer doing it different than sky high piles of crap...

If they built it, I would buy one! Even if it came from the factory with 35's or 37's it is still a nice truck.

so whats special about the power wagon? it doesn't look any different than a regular 07 dodge to me, other than the lift and winch? diesel power mag had an article on it recently but it really didnt make sense.

so whats special about the power wagon? it doesn't look any different than a regular 07 dodge to me, other than the lift and winch? diesel power mag had an article on it recently but it really didnt make sense.


The Power Wagon is essentially a Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 QC SB or RCLB pickup truck equipped with an electronic disconnecting front sway bar, locking axles with 4.56 gears and 33" tires, and a 12,000 Lb winch from the factory. Just like the Rubicon edition of the Wrangler, it is a great choice for someone that wants to build a mild to medium trail rig. It is without a doubt the most capable 4x4 pickup truck ever produced. Buy one slap some 35" tires on it and drive the piss out of it, it comes with Chryslers "Lifetime" warranty.

The "Big" deal with the one in the magazine is it has a Cummins in it, the Cummins is not offered because the Intercooler takes up the same real estate as the Winch. Rumor has it the new Ram will be able to accomidate both.

If you want to build a more serious truck, you would be better off with a regular ram, as eventually you would end up replacing most of the stuff you paid extra for (Same goes for the Wrangler/Rubicon)

yah, they aren't dodge, probably a superduty. the lines match close enough that you could modify the cutouts to work if you had time and patience, and skill....

definitely cool to see the manufacturer doing it different than sky high piles of crap...

I would imagine that Chrysler Corp. has the means to whip up a set of custom fender flares:D

Actually the skunkworks guys don't get much funding to use for one off parts. They use pretty much whatever is off the shelf and readily available because because custom parts significantly increase the cost of these little projects due to design, and manufacturing costs. I agree that it looks like a typical Super Duty flare and definitely not made to fit a Dodge truck originally.

The Power Wagon is essentially a Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 QC SB or RCLB pickup truck equipped with an electronic disconnecting front sway bar, locking axles with 4.56 gears and 33" tires, and a 12,000 Lb winch from the factory. Just like the Rubicon edition of the Wrangler, it is a great choice for someone that wants to build a mild to medium trail rig. It is without a doubt the most capable 4x4 pickup truck ever produced. Buy one slap some 35" tires on it and drive the piss out of it, it comes with Chryslers "Lifetime" warranty.

The "Big" deal with the one in the magazine is it has a Cummins in it, the Cummins is not offered because the Intercooler takes up the same real estate as the Winch. Rumor has it the new Ram will be able to accomidate both.

If you want to build a more serious truck, you would be better off with a regular ram, as eventually you would end up replacing most of the stuff you paid extra for (Same goes for the Wrangler/Rubicon)

Ilike dodge and ll, but i dont think it is the most capable truck ever produced. I would go more with the Unimog. They are very well engeneered trucks that are very capable. As an example, the 404 weighs aprox 6300 pounds and will carry 4000 pounds. Now before you all say 4000 isnt alot anymore, it will carry that weight in extreme offroad conditions for the life of the vehicle. Dont think im bashing dodge I love Chrysler vehicles.

I don't think a a Unimog is even in the same class of vehicle. For one thing, it's not a light duty pickup, it was originally a farm tractor. I will also have to say that the Power Wagon is not the most capable 4x4 truck ever produced either. Mainly because they are a big lumbering SOB with no turning radius and poor visibility. All the gadgets are just more crap to go wrong. What kind of lazy POS needs a power disconnect swaybar?!? I really hate to say it, but the most capable 4x4 pickup would probably have to be the GM military M1028 CUCV.

I dont know about a cucv, the only thing they had going for them ws the detroit in the rear. Then it was only for military vehicles. Civilian trucks didnt have that.

The M1028 had a TracLoc in the front also.

That still doesnt change the fact that it was never offered on the civilian trucks :-)

Winch and swaybar disconnect give Power Wagon the win, and Cummins power would absolutely cement that position.

I can tell you've never actually DRIVEN a CUCV offroad, Elmo. :flipoff2: heheh just kidding, but seriously-- the 6.2, the shitty, tiny tires, big rear spring pack, and crappy seats make them kind of a handful.. like groping your fat cousin instead of the homecoming queen, you know?







not implying that you actually DO know-- but try to imagine. :D

Winch and swaybar disconnect give Power Wagon the win, and Cummins power would absolutely cement that position.

I can tell you've never actually DRIVEN a CUCV offroad, Elmo. :flipoff2: heheh just kidding, but seriously-- the 6.2, the shitty, tiny tires, big rear spring pack, and crappy seats make them kind of a handful.. like groping your fat cousin instead of the homecoming queen, you know?







not implying that you actually DO know-- but try to imagine. :D

HAHAHAHAH yea the 6.2 is a shitty motor.

I was thinking in terms of parts available. I have driven a M1028 on a farm, pulling logs and such, and while I hate GM, I had to admit it did a very good job and seemed to have adequate power though not a lot left on tap. I have also drive two of the Power Wagons when I worked at the dealership. One was bought by one of the salesmen and a good friend of mine. I have to say that I am less than impressed by the new Dodge trucks overall and I don't think slapping on lockers and a winch are going to make it that much capable considering the overall size of the truck and the design. It might be great for mud in a field but let me weld my rear 60 in my Ramcharger and I'll put it up against a Power Wagon in the woods any day. In the end, the total cost of my Ramcharger, the D60s and NP205 was about $2k, much, much less than the price of a PW. Also, my buddy traded the PW after owning it less than 6 months and bought a diesel and called the PW a "gutless pig".

I was thinking in terms of parts available. I have driven a M1028 on a farm, pulling logs and such, and while I hate GM, I had to admit it did a very good job and seemed to have adequate power though not a lot left on tap. I have also drive two of the Power Wagons when I worked at the dealership. One was bought by one of the salesmen and a good friend of mine. I have to say that I am less than impressed by the new Dodge trucks overall and I don't think slapping on lockers and a winch are going to make it that much capable considering the overall size of the truck and the design. It might be great for mud in a field but let me weld my rear 60 in my Ramcharger and I'll put it up against a Power Wagon in the woods any day. In the end, the total cost of my Ramcharger, the D60s and NP205 was about $2k, much, much less than the price of a PW. Also, my buddy traded the PW after owning it less than 6 months and bought a diesel and called the PW a "gutless pig".


How does parts available make the CUCV MORE capable stock than a Power Wagon? I was able to Drive a prototype Power Wagon at Moab when Mopar had a team testing them back in 04. I met the engineers and test drivers in the pool at the Gonzo Inn, and we went out wheeling the next day, Those Power Wagons Impressed me to say the least. We did Golden Spike and a few other trails, I actually swapped vehicles with one of the engineers for about an hour.

I'd like to see any other stock truck do what the Power Wagon is capable of. The CUCV please, talk about a gutless wonder, yeah it had good axles, but after that it had nothing, beyond the fact that it WAS NEVER AVALABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

With the sway bar disconnected the Power Wagon is VERY flexy. Why is an electronic disconnect? So the Chrysler engineers can make sure its connected on the highway, so some dipshit doesent drive around with it disconnected and Sue Chrysler when the wreck, bottom line.

The Engineers wanted to add the Cummins, but the winch Vs. Intercooler was a problem they could not address. If They wanted to move the winch out, they would have had to re crash test the truck with the new bumper etc.. it was not worth it, bottom line.

Comparing your Ramcharger to a new truck on a cost basis is assnine. I too will have less money in my 99 Ram 2500 V-10, After I Lock it front and rear, with lock out hubs, a non CAD 60 and D 80 rear with 4.56 gears and 37" tires on a Carli Suspension than the cost of a new Power Wagon
but it is comparing apples to oranges.

Don't get me wrong, I've owned 2 Ramchargers and a Trailduster, but I'd like to see a Ramcharger tow 10,000 Lbs, or cruise quietly all day at 80 MPH, and be able to wheel as well as a Power Wagon.



Especially a 318 Powered one :flipoff2:

Ilike dodge and ll, but i dont think it is the most capable truck ever produced. I would go more with the Unimog. They are very well engeneered trucks that are very capable. As an example, the 404 weighs aprox 6300 pounds and will carry 4000 pounds. Now before you all say 4000 isnt alot anymore, it will carry that weight in extreme offroad conditions for the life of the vehicle. Dont think im bashing dodge I love Chrysler vehicles.

That is why I said Pickup truck, The Unimog is a beast, but its no pickup truck.

How does parts available make the CUCV MORE capable stock than a Power Wagon? I was able to Drive a prototype Power Wagon at Moab when Mopar had a team testing them back in 04. I met the engineers and test drivers in the pool at the Gonzo Inn, and we went out wheeling the next day, Those Power Wagons Impressed me to say the least. We did Golden Spike and a few other trails, I actually swapped vehicles with one of the engineers for about an hour.

I'd like to see any other stock truck do what the Power Wagon is capable of. The CUCV please, talk about a gutless wonder, yeah it had good axles, but after that it had nothing, beyond the fact that it WAS NEVER AVALABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

With the sway bar disconnected the Power Wagon is VERY flexy. Why is an electronic disconnect? So the Chrysler engineers can make sure its connected on the highway, so some dip shit doesn't drive around with it disconnected and Sue Chrysler when the wreck, bottom line.

The Engineers wanted to add the Cummins, but the winch Vs. Intercooler was a problem they could not address. If They wanted to move the winch out, they would have had to re crash test the truck with the new bumper etc.. it was not worth it, bottom line.

Comparing your Ramcharger to a new truck on a cost basis is asinine. I too will have less money in my 99 Ram 2500 V-10, After I Lock it front and rear, with lock out hubs, a non CAD 60 and D 80 rear with 4.56 gears and 37" tires on a Carli Suspension than the cost of a new Power Wagon
but it is comparing apples to oranges.

Don't get me wrong, I've owned 2 Ramchargers and a Trailduster, but I'd like to see a Ramcharger tow 10,000 Lbs, or cruise quietly all day at 80 MPH, and be able to wheel as well as a Power Wagon.



Especially a 318 Powered one :flipoff2:

My point is that the Power Wagon is nothing special, is over priced and is just more crap to break. An older truck, like a CUCV or my Ramcharger can be a much better truck for less because it has a better base. You never specified that it had to be a truck available to the public and the CUCV has, in my opinion, better axles and lockers than the Power Wagon and can be bought now for less than $5k. Couple that with being able to run a 6.2L on bio diesel and it looks even better. I could care less what a Power Wagon has on it or what it can do. For almost $50k, I can have a buggy built that will put a truck to shame. The bottom line is, sure the Power Wagon might be a capable vehicle for the first few months, then you break some expensive part and have to tow it to the dealer and argue about it being replaced under warranty or if it was abuse and you have to foot the considerable bill for it. Meanwhile I can break all kinds of stuff and afford to have the spare parts on hand to fix it on the trail with hand tools and not have to worry about not having any computer diagnostics around.

Personally, if we are going to just talk pickups, I'd much rather have my old '74 W100 than a new 2500 Dodge, PW or not. They built real trucks in '74 even the half tons with real front wheel bearings, large lug pattern, solid front D44, dependable and long lasting leaf spring suspension, 8 3/4 rear axle with available sure grip, NP435,NP445 or 727 transmissions, and divorced NP205 transfer case. Beef where you need it and no electronic BS to let you down.

As for the Cummins not being in the PW, the factory reps also said that the lockers will not hold up to the torque of the CTD.

And if it were not for the short wheelbase, I would have no problem towing 10k lbs with my Ramcharger. Fuck the new Chrysler, I don't need their overpriced, under built, piss poor quality bullshit. Oh, and I corrected your spelling. :flipoff2:

My point is that the Power Wagon is nothing special, is over priced and is just more crap to break. An older truck, like a CUCV or my Ramcharger can be a much better truck for less because it has a better base. You never specified that it had to be a truck available to the public and the CUCV has, in my opinion, better axles and lockers than the Power Wagon and can be bought now for less than $5k. Couple that with being able to run a 6.2L on bio diesel and it looks even better. I could care less what a Power Wagon has on it or what it can do. For almost $50k, I can have a buggy built that will put a truck to shame. The bottom line is, sure the Power Wagon might be a capable vehicle for the first few months, then you break some expensive part and have to tow it to the dealer and argue about it being replaced under warranty or if it was abuse and you have to foot the considerable bill for it. Meanwhile I can break all kinds of stuff and afford to have the spare parts on hand to fix it on the trail with hand tools and not have to worry about not having any computer diagnostics around.

Personally, if we are going to just talk pickups, I'd much rather have my old '74 W100 than a new 2500 Dodge, PW or not. They built real trucks in '74 even the half tons with real front wheel bearings, large lug pattern, solid front D44, dependable and long lasting leaf spring suspension, 8 3/4 rear axle with available sure grip, NP435,NP445 or 727 transmissions, and divorced NP205 transfer case. Beef where you need it and no electronic BS to let you down.

As for the Cummins not being in the PW, the factory reps also said that the lockers will not hold up to the torque of the CTD.

And if it were not for the short wheelbase, I would have no problem towing 10k lbs with my Ramcharger. Fuck the new Chrysler, I don't need their overpriced, under built, piss poor quality bullshit. Oh, and I corrected your spelling. :flipoff2:

Half the reason the drivetrains were so bulletproof was the early smog motors were so castrated they could not pull a sick whore off a piss pot. Counting My ramchargers ans Trailduster, Ive owned 8 71 to 93 Dodge Trucks, Yes they were good trucks, but they were far from perfect, flexy un boxed frames, ther shittiest wiring I've ever dealt with ( out of the 8 I've owned, 4 have had electrical fires, crappy Amp gauges, and HVAC blower motor switches and wiring)floors and rockers that rusted out driving past the salt display at the supermarket, the club cabs were a joke, The front shock mounts always broke,and IMHO from the mid 70s until the Magnums they were sloths, even the 440s were pigs perfromance wise. Yeah they would run forever, and had good axles, but they were NOT the end all be all.

If you really want to talk about a Real Pick up, the WM 300 is where its at according to my Dad, none of those new fangled Disc brakes, Power Brakes or Power Steering, No Smog Crap and a Simple Flat head 6 that would out pull those new fangled V-8s, Who needs electronic ignition and multiple barrell carbs a Carter B&B and single points, you could repair it with a screwdriver and a rock. Pish Pish that new 70's crap:shaking:

True, the original WM series Power Wagons were definitely cool but they are hard to find inexpensive parts for these days. I hope to get one, or at least an M37, eventually. Oh, and I don't think all the old Dodge trucks were great. I specifically despise the 9 1/4 in anything and the small bolt pattern hubs and the bearings used on the front of the 75-80 full time models are ridiculous. The drivetrain in my '74 put up with my warmed over 383 quite nicely though.

True, the original WM series Power Wagons were definitely cool but they are hard to find inexpensive parts for these days. I hope to get one, or at least an M37, eventually. Oh, and I don't think all the old Dodge trucks were great. I specifically despise the 9 1/4 in anything and the small bolt pattern hubs and the bearings used on the front of the 75-80 full time models are ridiculous. The drivetrain in my '74 put up with my warmed over 383 quite nicely though.

Actually the 9.25 is strong. THe only crappy part was the c-clip. Are you one of those guys who thinks older is better? You have alot of catching up to do. Yea the new vehicles have alot of electronics but i guarentee there are far more new vehicles on the road still with 100 200 300 thousand miles on them than older trucks. Get passed the old myth about new vehicles. To go along with your last stament I am stll going to say Unimogs are far superior to most vehicles built.

Trust me, after working at the the dealership as a Parts Advisor and seeing all the new stuff come back month after month, I will avoid the new stuff like the plague. I honestly can't understand why people are so happy about what Dodge is doing these days. Some of the interiors, while comfortable, are not laid out very well, and the new IFS systems have got to be a kick in the face to anyone who wants a real truck. Sure, they have better engines and they even seemed to have cured most of the auto trans issues but at what cost? $100 transducers that have to be replaced like candy? These things have gotten so complicated that Mopar doesn't even trust most of the dealers out there to be able to efficiently and reliably repair them. They have all become vehicles full of throw away assemblies. I can rebuild my NP435 on the side of the trail with the proper parts and a few gear pullers, can the same be said for a Getrag 6 speed? I think the durability of the NP435 has been proven considering it was manufactured from 1964-1997 and there are probably millions of them on the road today.

So I don't think "new" is always better. The horrible issues I had with my '05 SRT-4 and '06 Liberty Renegade are enough evidence that Chrysler is more interested in getting my money than making a reliable product. Both vehicles had major issues with many complaints on record by various owners and yet Chrysler chose to ignore them and continue building vehicles with these issues and blame the owners. Ask any SRT-4 owner how much they hate the transmission, or any 6 speed Liberty owner how the ESP system works for them. I can be reasonably sure that my NP435, NP205 and D60s will probably be around for another 30 years or so at least. I don't even want to think about what issues the newer Dodges will have after they have been on the road 30 years. The aluminum control arms alone would make me afraid to drive on the interstate.

Ask around. If Dodge built a no BS truck with solid axles, leaf suspension, normal A/C system, decent comfortable interior, no anti-lock brakes, no ESP, no speed sensitive whatchawhosis or other nonessential gadgetry and priced it below $27k, how many people would buy it? For years Chrysler said they would not produce a modern version of an old body style like the 'Cuda that Mopar enthusiasts clamored for and yet now look at all the buzz about the new Challenger. I'm not saying that all the old stuff was bad, obviously the body could have used better drainage and weather striping but it's not like the newer models have survived the test of time well either. Check out many older (94-01) Rams on the coats or East and Northern areas of the US and look at the door, rocker and wheelwell rust. Sure, they make it past Mopar's 10 year perforation warranty but in 10 years your $40k truck's newer version will cost $70k and your old, rusty, inoperable gadget freakshow of a truck will be worth about $5k.

Oh and on the Unimog bit, again a very well engineered vehicle, but with it's limitations. Mainly gearing in the old versions and price in the new ones. But again, out of all the Unimogs in the world, how many are older ex-military trucks built in the 60s and 70s and how many are newer models?

Also, I've broken several 9.25 axles and dealt with it's roving pinion preload problems long enough. I will no longer own an truck with one in it. My current Ramcharger got driven about 3 miles home on it's 9.25 and never left the driveway until the D60s were in.

If Dodge sold a diesel, solid-axle truck for under $30k, I'd buy it. :flipoff2:

Look, the facts are that NO manufacturer is making a "real truck" anymore. Dodge comes closest with the straight-axle rams, but they're ALL overpriced. The diesel Power Wagon is a legitimate offering with some real off-road capabilities-- but yeah, it's a huge truck that costs lots of money. So what? If someone wants a warrantied, brand-new, reasonably capable truck, that's a good choice. What else is there out there? An H3? Rubicon? That J8 concept would be sweet... as would the Rescue, but alas!

That said, I could build 3 or 4 older trucks for the price, so I'm out. :D

Trust me, after working at the the dealership as a Parts Advisor and seeing all the new stuff come back month after month, I will avoid the new stuff like the plague. I honestly can't understand why people are so happy about what Dodge is doing these days. Some of the interiors, while comfortable, are not laid out very well, and the new IFS systems have got to be a kick in the face to anyone who wants a real truck. Sure, they have better engines and they even seemed to have cured most of the auto trans issues but at what cost? $100 transducers that have to be replaced like candy? These things have gotten so complicated that Mopar doesn't even trust most of the dealers out there to be able to efficiently and reliably repair them. They have all become vehicles full of throw away assemblies. I can rebuild my NP435 on the side of the trail with the proper parts and a few gear pullers, can the same be said for a Getrag 6 speed? I think the durability of the NP435 has been proven considering it was manufactured from 1964-1997 and there are probably millions of them on the road today.

So I don't think "new" is always better. The horrible issues I had with my '05 SRT-4 and '06 Liberty Renegade are enough evidence that Chrysler is more interested in getting my money than making a reliable product. Both vehicles had major issues with many complaints on record by various owners and yet Chrysler chose to ignore them and continue building vehicles with these issues and blame the owners. Ask any SRT-4 owner how much they hate the transmission, or any 6 speed Liberty owner how the ESP system works for them. I can be reasonably sure that my NP435, NP205 and D60s will probably be around for another 30 years or so at least. I don't even want to think about what issues the newer Dodges will have after they have been on the road 30 years. The aluminum control arms alone would make me afraid to drive on the interstate.

Ask around. If Dodge built a no BS truck with solid axles, leaf suspension, normal A/C system, decent comfortable interior, no anti-lock brakes, no ESP, no speed sensitive whatchawhosis or other nonessential gadgetry and priced it below $27k, how many people would buy it? For years Chrysler said they would not produce a modern version of an old body style like the 'Cuda that Mopar enthusiasts clamored for and yet now look at all the buzz about the new Challenger. I'm not saying that all the old stuff was bad, obviously the body could have used better drainage and weather striping but it's not like the newer models have survived the test of time well either. Check out many older (94-01) Rams on the coats or East and Northern areas of the US and look at the door, rocker and wheelwell rust. Sure, they make it past Mopar's 10 year perforation warranty but in 10 years your $40k truck's newer version will cost $70k and your old, rusty, inoperable gadget freakshow of a truck will be worth about $5k.

Oh and on the Unimog bit, again a very well engineered vehicle, but with it's limitations. Mainly gearing in the old versions and price in the new ones. But again, out of all the Unimogs in the world, how many are older ex-military trucks built in the 60s and 70s and how many are newer models?

Also, I've broken several 9.25 axles and dealt with it's roving pinion preload problems long enough. I will no longer own an truck with one in it. My current Ramcharger got driven about 3 miles home on it's 9.25 and never left the driveway until the D60s were in.

Blah Blah Blah, everyone claims to ahve worked at a dealer and they claim this and that. Of course youre gonig to see more chrysler products coming in for work at a Chrysler Dealer. Go to a Ford or GM or even Toyota and youre going to see a majority of whatever dealer it is. Im in Iraq and we have 06, 07 chevy trucks here. I promsie everysingle truck is the biggest piece of crap. One truck that was assigned to us for use on the FOB had 15,000 kilometers and the thing wouldnt start, the doors were sagging, the interioir rattled, the front end was wore out. I know the Suburban trucks over here that are used for escort's are wore out within 3,000 miles. I do believe chrysler makes a better product then people like to admit.

As far as what model unimogs have I seen around the world. I see a good deal of both actually. Some areas r[refer one style over the next. Mainly because of the price.

I think you misunderstood me. I don't think any new truck, regardless of manufacturer is worth the money or as good as my old Dodge trucks. And yes, I did work at a dealership until recently as both a Mopar Parts Advisor and Parts Manager also. It's a ridiculous and thankless job.

I will also have to say new, is not better.
Sorry when you can take a dead stock '80 short bed dodge and throw 33's on it and kick the crap out of all new trucks, and older chebys and fords with 35's-37's, all for $400, you've found something :smokin:

I will also have to say new, is not better.
Sorry when you can take a dead stock '80 short bed dodge and throw 33's on it and kick the crap out of all new trucks, and older chebys and fords with 35's-37's, all for $400, you've found something :smokin:

yea it takes alittle more than just throwing 33's on a truck. try again:shaking:

I think you misunderstood me. I don't think any new truck, regardless of manufacturer is worth the money or as good as my old Dodge trucks. And yes, I did work at a dealership until recently as both a Mopar Parts Advisor and Parts Manager also. It's a ridiculous and thankless job.

You amuse me. I was a Parts Advisor for Koller Dodge ~15 years ago, I still have friends that work there as both Parts counter guys and mechanics, They all tell me they have much less warranty work in the last 5 or so years, and that on the whole, the product is much improved. You are complaining about 100 dollar sensors? How much do you think it costs to make them, when the UAW workers are making 40 + an hour, and the engineers that design them are all making 100K + a year. I also had to laugh about your SRT comment, I have a 2005 SRT-4 ACR with about 40K miles on it 38K miles of that with a Ported Stage 3 with toys, Thermal R&D turbo back, AIS FMIC, blah blah etc... That car has made over 50 11 second passes on Drag Radials, My wife and I both autocross it 10 or so times a year, and the ONLY repairs I have made to the car is brake pads, rotors, and tires. And the repairs were really my fault, I took the tires out on the road course at the 2006 SRT nats in Topeka, and the brakes were toasted at the AutoBahn Country Club on a hot lap day. Mind you this car is daily driven by my wife, and is still on the original clutch, not to mention trans.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x205/murfman_photo/ACR1.jpg

If you really think a 1974 W150 is a better truck than a new Power Wagon, I really pity you.

Sorry but you may have gotten lucky with your trans but mine was a pile of crap. It would lock you out of gear if you shifted too fast and is known for breaking. They changed it trying to correct it in '04 and still didn't make a huge improvement. One of the engineers told me that they dropped the transmission from the Caliber in favor of a Getrag due to all the issues with the NVG transmission. Mine was rebuilt twice and I was granted a 7/70 warranty on the transmission alone to try and placate me. Later, the Mopar Tech Rep called me wanting to know what mods I made to my SRT-4 to make it shift better because he said that out of all the one's he'd looked at, mine was the best so far and they were looking for a fix still. All I had done was put Boogar Bushings on the cables and use the short throw shifter. This was after I got fed up and traded the SRT off on a Liberty Renegade which was the worst vehicle I have ever owned.

Say what you want, you are entitled to your opinion as much as I, but I disagree with you. Maybe if I made more money, I would see a new truck as a reasonable expense and be happy with the BS that comes with them, but every dollar I have is precious to me and I don't throw them away.

http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/8628/srt10019ck.jpg

That new PowerWagon is baddass, enough said. I could never afford one but that doesnt mean it aint worth a shit. Anyone know if the rumor I heard about the factory equipping these trucks with the KORE kits is true? :D

yea it takes alittle more than just throwing 33's on a truck. try again:shaking:

No, it doesn't. :shaking:
I've had guys with big blocks and lockers wheel with me in my little DD. They had nothing on me.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/mopar_big_block/whitetruck.jpg
You'd be surprised how well these little old Dodges do.

No, it doesn't. :shaking:
I've had guys with big blocks and lockers wheel with me in my little DD. They had nothing on me.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/mopar_big_block/whitetruck.jpg
You'd be surprised how well these little old Dodges do.

and ill bet you think a posi is better than a LSD. Go smoke more crack:smokin:

No, it doesn't. :shaking:
I've had guys with big blocks and lockers wheel with me in my little DD. They had nothing on me.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/mopar_big_block/whitetruck.jpg
You'd be surprised how well these little old Dodges do.
I'll walk all over that with my midget block and lockers :flipoff2:

I take it you two have never wheeled a 70s model Dodge? Also, there is no "posi" in a Mopar. Such use of the word is forbidden.

I take it you two have never wheeled a 70s model Dodge? Also, there is no "posi" in a Mopar. Such use of the word is forbidden.

They must not know the dominance they carry lol.

And exactly on the posi lol. Sure-grip, people come one.

and ill bet you think a posi is better than a LSD. Go smoke more crack:smokin:
What? Go back to Cheby land where all talk big, but prove nothing.:flipoff2:

I'll walk all over that with my midget block and lockers :flipoff2:

Bring it:flipoff2:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/mopar_big_block/DADSNEWTRUCKLOLCAMO.jpg
(My other truck)

Oh and both trucks are 45 minutes away from you. Go test your theory:D

I said walk all over your DD, not your wheeler. The new power wagons are damn capable rigs, it's foolish to even suggest you DD has anything on them, because it doesn't. I agree about new trucks being a waste of money however and would rather own an older one and take all the money saved to build it up with.

I take it you two have never wheeled a 70s model Dodge? Also, there is no "posi" in a Mopar. Such use of the word is forbidden.

All posi is, is the GM name for there LSD. I know the difference. Yea i have wheeled in a 70's model. its good but its not going to beat trucks with lockers.

What? Go back to Cheby land where all talk big, but prove nothing.:flipoff2:



Bring it:flipoff2:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/mopar_big_block/DADSNEWTRUCKLOLCAMO.jpg
(My other truck)

Oh and both trucks are 45 minutes away from you. Go test your theory:D

you schmuck i dont like chevys. Whoever said I did?

I said walk all over your DD, not your wheeler. The new power wagons are damn capable rigs, it's foolish to even suggest you DD has anything on them, because it doesn't. I agree about new trucks being a waste of money however and would rather own an older one and take all the money saved to build it up with.

lol We'll see if they are the same if they go into production.
Oh and my DD doesn't have lockers in it but it does have the factory limited slip in the rear that, about 90% of the time, keeps them both spinning. So I got 3 wheel drive :flipoff2:

you schmuck i dont like chevys. Whoever said I did?

Nobody, I just know it bugs me when people say I like 'em. lol:D

lol We'll see if they are the same if they go into production.
Oh and my DD doesn't have lockers in it but it does have the factory limited slip in the rear that, about 90% of the time, keeps them both spinning. So I got 3 wheel drive :flipoff2:


Nobody, I just know it bugs me when people say I like 'em. lol:D

u need to check out lockers. that lsd is not on the same plain as lockers.

and i never said you liked gm or posi units

I'm pretty sure most of us here are well aware of what lockers are and what they can do. Still, all else being equal, I firmly believe that an old Dodge leaf sprung, solid axle truck is stronger and more capable offroad. No pain in the ass links to wear out and hang down and get their brackets ripped off, 1 tons are real 1 tons with kingpins and cone bearings, etc etc. Yes the new trucks have their advantages on the street but until I see people building buggies with antilock brakes, power leather seats, power disconnect swaybars, and airbag restraint systems, I will continue to be quite secure in my knowledge that my old trucks, that have much more in common with real off road vehicles, are better.

I'm pretty sure most of us here are well aware of what lockers are and what they can do. Still, all else being equal, I firmly believe that an old Dodge leaf sprung, solid axle truck is stronger and more capable offroad. No pain in the ass links to wear out and hang down and get their brackets ripped off, 1 tons are real 1 tons with kingpins and cone bearings, etc etc. Yes the new trucks have their advantages on the street but until I see people building buggies with antilock brakes, power leather seats, power disconnect swaybars, and airbag restraint systems, I will continue to be quite secure in my knowledge that my old trucks, that have much more in common with real off road vehicles, are better.

I dont know some people are stuck in the old days. So are you saying that your 1-ton with leaf springs is stronger and better han (here I go again) my unimog with coil springs? The funny thing is military vehicles are moving to coil springs. And once again I guarantee you will see more modern vehicles on the road with 100,000+ miles.

I dont know some people are stuck in the old days. So are you saying that your 1-ton with leaf springs is stronger and better han (here I go again) my unimog with coil springs? The funny thing is military vehicles are moving to coil springs. And once again I guarantee you will see more modern vehicles on the road with 100,000+ miles.

Are you comparing the articulation capability of the two?

I have these on my Camo truck:
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/mopar_big_block/Orbiteye.jpg

They allow up to 45* of flex.

And yes I know about lockers jeez. My truck is dead stock and I mean to keep it that way. It does just fine right now.
Anyways. Why spend the money on a locker when A: It's already spinning both tires, and B: you can break crap much more easier with a locker, because there isn't that "give" of a lsd.
I've got a spool in the front, and a Richmond locker in my camo truck anyways.

The Power Wagon is essentially a Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 QC SB or RCLB pickup truck equipped with an electronic disconnecting front sway bar, locking axles with 4.56 gears and 33" tires, and a 12,000 Lb winch from the factory. Just like the Rubicon edition of the Wrangler, it is a great choice for someone that wants to build a mild to medium trail rig. It is without a doubt the most capable 4x4 pickup truck ever produced. Buy one slap some 35" tires on it and drive the piss out of it, it comes with Chryslers "Lifetime" warranty.

The "Big" deal with the one in the magazine is it has a Cummins in it, the Cummins is not offered because the Intercooler takes up the same real estate as the Winch. Rumor has it the new Ram will be able to accomidate both.

If you want to build a more serious truck, you would be better off with a regular ram, as eventually you would end up replacing most of the stuff you paid extra for (Same goes for the Wrangler/Rubicon)

Winch and swaybar disconnect give Power Wagon the win, and Cummins power would absolutely cement that position.


My point is that the Power Wagon is nothing special, [snip]. I could care less what a Power Wagon has on it or what it can do. For almost $50k, I can have a buggy built that will put a truck to shame. The bottom line is, sure the Power Wagon might be a capable vehicle for the first few months, then you break some expensive part and have to tow it to the dealer and argue about it being replaced under warranty or if it was abuse and you have to foot the considerable bill for it. Meanwhile I can break all kinds of stuff and afford to have the spare parts on hand to fix it on the trail with hand tools and not have to worry about not having any computer diagnostics around.
[snip]
As for the Cummins not being in the PW, the factory reps also said that the lockers will not hold up to the torque of the CTD.


How did this turn into a pissing contest on my truck is better, or my SRT4 is a piece of crap? blah, blah blah?

I have an '05 PW and wish I could have gotten it with a CTD, but I'd rather have the lockers, winch, swaybar, 4.56 gears. There is not (yet) that much support for the AAM axles, aftermarket lockers, etc so that makes building a comparable new truck not a feasable option.

A PW with the Cummins would be awesome. (maybe there is a CTD swap for me a few years down the road :evil:)But I agree, the front locker won't like the extra weight and TQ.

Elwenil, the PW is nothing special? What other civilian factory offered full size truck came/comes with locking differentials, 12K winch, etc? It's not made to be a rockkrawlin buggy, it's never going to fit on a narrow trail, but it makes a hell of a DD :evil: any other OEM's "offroad package" is a joke, Z-71, FX4, TRD, a few stickers, stiffer shocks, and a plastic skid plate. As far as breaking it, that's the choice you make with any new truck.

Ah you've pointed out something that I will never get. Trucks with offroad packages. They come with stiffer suspension. What sense does that make? You buy a truck that is supposed to be "better" offroad, yet it comes with even worse suspension than stock!
Or people will go buy one with the tow package so it does have stiffer suspension because they think it's better offroad.
Sometimes I wonder what goes through peoples heads lol

Elwenil, the PW is nothing special? What other civilian factory offered full size truck came/comes with locking differentials, 12K winch, etc? It's not made to be a rockkrawlin buggy, it's never going to fit on a narrow trail, but it makes a hell of a DD :evil: any other OEM's "offroad package" is a joke, Z-71, FX4, TRD, a few stickers, stiffer shocks, and a plastic skid plate. As far as breaking it, that's the choice you make with any new truck.

I agree that the PW is a better "offroad package" than the rest of the crap out there. It's a nice setup for someone who works on a farm or something, but with it's hardly equipped to deal with a lot of off road challenges. Washouts, forestry roads, mud, sure. But with it's breakover angle I doubt it would make it over most of the water breaks around here. People have gotten so hung on the idea that you "need" lockers and all this extra crap to wheel. I remember when I didn't have lockers and couldn't afford all this extra stuff and I had a great time. My little '74 W100 that I bob'd would follow right along behind heavily modified Jeeps and so forth. No, I couldn't climb up on rocks the size of my truck, but the trail didn't require that to make it through and I seriously doubt that a PW would do any better with it's approach, breakover and departure angles.

Also, lockers are nothing new. They have been around for 50 years or more. Do you know what the inspiration for the new PW was? It's not a truck version of the Rubicon. It's a throwback to the WM series Power Wagon, where the name originated. It was available from the factory with lockers and a winch and swaybars were not even heard of on trucks back then. And it was a real locker, a predecessor of the popular Detroit and a real PTO winch, not some electric crap sourced overseas and crammed under a truck to justify the name.

Here's a real truck:
http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/7913121951_dg_power_wagon__mid.jpg

And here's the concept truck from a few years back that started the whole Power Wagon revival:
http://dodgeram.org/rides/power_wagon/P_Wagon_front.jpg


That was deemed as "an overkill statement" by Chrysler with it's Cat engine but that was pretty much what the original PW was. I'd love to see how many of the current PW are still around in 50 years. Oh, and as far as mileage, my '84 Ramcharger had 280k when I got it and on it's 2nd engine, but still going strong. 280k on a new truck and the whole suspension would probably have to be replaced.

lol We'll see if they are the same if they go into production.
Oh and my DD doesn't have lockers in it but it does have the factory limited slip in the rear that, about 90% of the time, keeps them both spinning. So I got 3 wheel drive

Except for the10% of the time you Really need them:flipoff2::flipoff2:

I'm pretty sure most of us here are well aware of what lockers are and what they can do. Still, all else being equal, I firmly believe that an old Dodge leaf sprung, solid axle truck is stronger and more capable offroad. No pain in the ass links to wear out and hang down and get their brackets ripped off, 1 tons are real 1 tons with kingpins and cone bearings, etc etc. Yes the new trucks have their advantages on the street but until I see people building buggies with antilock brakes, power leather seats, power disconnect swaybars, and airbag restraint systems, I will continue to be quite secure in my knowledge that my old trucks, that have much more in common with real off road vehicles, are better.

Well I dont understand why making a vehicle a vehicle safer and more comfortable is a bad thing. Things like anti lock brakes and air bags and disconnecting sway bars are federally mandated, they are NOT an option for the factory, your fellow countrymen MAKE them install them. As for Unit bearings have a bad reputation, but I have had 2 diffrerent trucks go over 150K miles on the factory Unit bearings with no failures, so what exactly is better? I do have a couple of spindles from a 92 Ram 350 chassis cab what spun wheel bearings and damaged the spindles beyond repai, guess what bearings, seals, races and spindles cost more than unit bearings.

The suspension links hang down no lower on a Newer Dodge than the leaf springs did on the older ones. I have broken main lefs on leaf spring trucks on the trail, than god for an on board welder.

Have you ever driven your truck on a RTI ramp? If so I'd like to know how it fared, I know that None of my Factory stock pre ram Dodges, with there generous 2" of up travel before hitting the bump stops, could hold a candle to a new Power Wagon, with the sway bar connected, let alone disconnected.

Funny I dont see to many Rock buggies with Carburators, leaf springs and limited slip rear axles and open fronts either so your POS actually has less in common with a "Real" off road rig than a new Power Wagon

I agree that the PW is a better "offroad package" than the rest of the crap out there. It's a nice setup for someone who works on a farm or something, but with it's hardly equipped to deal with a lot of off road challenges. Washouts, forestry roads, mud, sure. But with it's breakover angle I doubt it would make it over most of the water breaks around here. People have gotten so hung on the idea that you "need" lockers and all this extra crap to wheel. I remember when I didn't have lockers and couldn't afford all this extra stuff and I had a great time. My little '74 W100 that I bob'd would follow right along behind heavily modified Jeeps and so forth. No, I couldn't climb up on rocks the size of my truck, but the trail didn't require that to make it through and I seriously doubt that a PW would do any better with it's approach, breakover and departure angles.

Also, lockers are nothing new. They have been around for 50 years or more. Do you know what the inspiration for the new PW was? It's not a truck version of the Rubicon. It's a throwback to the WM series Power Wagon, where the name originated. It was available from the factory with lockers and a winch and swaybars were not even heard of on trucks back then. And it was a real locker, a predecessor of the popular Detroit and a real PTO winch, not some electric crap sourced overseas and crammed under a truck to justify the name.

Here's a real truck:
http://wwwsg.daimlerchrysler.com/GMS/CONTENT/IMAGES/7913121951_dg_power_wagon__mid.jpg

And here's the concept truck from a few years back that started the whole Power Wagon revival:
http://dodgeram.org/rides/power_wagon/P_Wagon_front.jpg


That was deemed as "an overkill statement" by Chrysler with it's Cat engine but that was pretty much what the original PW was. I'd love to see how many of the current PW are still around in 50 years. Oh, and as far as mileage, my '84 Ramcharger had 280k when I got it and on it's 2nd engine, but still going strong. 280k on a new truck and the whole suspension would probably have to be replaced.

Have you ever driven an early Power Wagon? They are definately cool, but they SUCK off road, they have no traction aids, no wheel travel, and no articulation, the rear springs are so stiff, most came without rear shocks. They are fine for an oil field, or for limited use on a farm, but if you want to use one as a recreational Off road rig your best bet would be to swap the body onto a new PW rolling Chassis.

Yes I have driven an old Power Wagon off road and even worse, an M715 which has not suspension movement worth mentioning. They do very well offroad, you just have to drive them differently.

Also, RTI ramps are a joke and have next to nothing to do with offroad performance potential. I could build a vehicle that would do wonders on a RTI ramp that wouldn't have enough ground pressure to get traction. Plus I don't think anyone can say that they have had more trouble out of a leaf spring setup then they have wheeling a stock Dodge link setup. Sheet metal links and brackets are worthless compared to solid plate or cast mounts for leaf springs.

But anyway, I am done with this thread. I am never going to convince you guys that the new trucks are the garbage I believe them to be and you will never, ever, ever get me to understand why you would ever trust them.

I wasn't too impressed on the rocks with my PW, though mainly due to the stupid front bumper (would be nice to be a little more durable). Also the rockrails are sweet - sucks that they discontinued them - would have made playing on the rocks a little less worrysome.

I do love my PW - its a good multipurpose rig. I use mine for daily driving, towing, and mild offroading - I will addmit nothing extreme with mine. Once I get some of it paid off, I am sure I'll be hitting the trails more with it. Another plus, well in some ways is the lifetime warranty on the drivetrain. Though this don't help when it breaks on the trails - lol.

I read through most of the posts - was it also covered that the PW has a softer suspension then a stock 2500 series ram? The one minor downfall to this is the amount of weight you can haul in the bed. Does ride much smoother then my 1500 series Gen II ram ever did. There has been a lot of talk that 08 could be the last year for the PW, I know the local dealers can't even build an 09 on their websites. Also rumors of the 1500 series diesel potential to be installed, if they keep the PW. I am on the fence if it was offered with the diesel, maybe if it was the 5.9, cause the few things I have heard about the 6.7 haven't been great.

Have you ever driven your truck on a RTI ramp? If so I'd like to know how it fared, I know that None of my Factory stock pre ram Dodges, with there generous 2" of up travel before hitting the bump stops, could hold a candle to a new Power Wagon, with the sway bar connected, let alone disconnected.

Funny I dont see to many Rock buggies with Carburators, leaf springs and limited slip rear axles and open fronts either so your POS actually has less in common with a "Real" off road rig than a new Power Wagon

I don't see a big difference at all. Do you?
Where is this two inches of up travel you so highly talk about?
How can I not "hold a candle" next to that? I don't have to press a button for it to do that AND my truck rides better than a fucking Cadillac.
PLUS costs $36,000 less.
YES it has a carb. on it, and YES I can run up to 45* angles no prob.
NO I don't have lockers but I still spin 3 tires ALL the time.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/mopar_big_block/pwagon6.jpg
$36,000 for the above truck.
$450 for the truck below.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii183/mopar_big_block/OnHondaalltheway.jpg

And yes their are many leaf sprung buggies out there. In fact, there is a topic on them in the general 4x4 forum.

You have to have more money than sense if you wanna buy a new PW to wheel rather than an old one.

You have to have more money than sense if you wanna buy a new PW to wheel rather than an old one.

Most people don't want to drive some old POS! It's nice to have a new, comfortable, off-road capable, tow rig to get to the trail with. I love mine... :flipoff2:

Most people don't want to drive some old POS! It's nice to have a new, comfortable, off-road capable, tow rig to get to the trail with. I love mine... :flipoff2:

What I meant by that comment was people who buy the truck just for wheeling.
Are you seriously gonna take a brand new truck and tear it up?
You won't follow me through half the trails I go through just because you're not gonna want to scratch you truck.

But anyway, I am done with this thread. I am never going to convince you guys that the new trucks are the garbage I believe them to be and you will never, ever, ever get me to understand why you would ever trust them.

I agree with you 100%. If the new trucks 2nd gen and 3rd are so good why are people constantly having breakage problems with downsized axle shafts, the dreaded 46-47rh/re's and 231/241's, even the hd version behind the cummins. I mean this for trucks that actually get used other than just on the street. The cad sucks, even the new one piece shaft they started running in 02 is crap because it is so severely necked down. Unit bearing have their pluses but id rather have a king pin 60 with locking hubs and I can run high steer...cant do that with a ball joint dodge 60 right now. Trackbar sucks and will always be a problem. Lukes link works good for now for me but Im def switching over to a thuren bar. You would definitely be able to get a custom set of leaves to flex better and for cheaper with less problems than with the coil 4 link on rams.
I'd have a better platform to build off of from a first gen that I have with my 2nd gen.

I agree with you 100%. If the new trucks 2nd gen and 3rd are so good why are people constantly having breakage problems with downsized axle shafts, the dreaded 46-47rh/re's and 231/241's, even the hd version behind the cummins. I mean this for trucks that actually get used other than just on the street. The cad sucks, even the new one piece shaft they started running in 02 is crap because it is so severely necked down. Unit bearing have their pluses but id rather have a king pin 60 with locking hubs and I can run high steer...cant do that with a ball joint dodge 60 right now. Trackbar sucks and will always be a problem. Lukes link works good for now for me but Im def switching over to a thuren bar. You would definitely be able to get a custom set of leaves to flex better and for cheaper with less problems than with the coil 4 link on rams.
I'd have a better platform to build off of from a first gen that I have with my 2nd gen.

Umm, maybe you should crawl under a Powerwagon sometime. :shaking: They don't have a 231 or 241 they have a 271. There's no cad D60 under there either it's all AAM, 37spl, 10.5" rear end. On top of all that you can still get a 6spd manual transmission that holds its own behind the Cummins. I also love the factory 4-link front, leaf spring rear suspension on the Powerwagon. I soaks up the bumps and flexes better that any other stock truck I've seen and it's a 3/4 ton. ;)

What I meant by that comment was people who buy the truck just for wheeling.
Are you seriously gonna take a brand new truck and tear it up?
You won't follow me through half the trails I go through just because you're not gonna want to scratch you truck.

You'd be surprised the places I've had my Powerwagon. I can live with a few scratches, it's a truck.

True, it's no buggy, but it'll hold its own in most ruff terrain and still tow your junk home in comfort. :flipoff2:

On top of all that you can still get a 6spd manual transmission that holds its own behind the Cummins.

I know I said I was done with this thread but I really have to step in to dispute this statement. The 6 speed Hemi in the Power Wagon will not, even with a tailwind, hold it's own with a CTD. As a matter of fact, the 6 speed can't hold it's own against a Hemi automatic because everyone knows Chrysler has different tuning for the manual transmission models to try and protect the drivetrain.

Yeah, cause it's junk...:laughing:

Ain't it all?

Ok, that last statement about the M715 having wheel travel just cemented you in the "I have no idea what I'm talking about" category. Unless you modified the spring packs, have the worlds weakest M715 springs, or your yourself weight in at around 1k lbs, there is no way any M715 could be considered flexible. Tac, are you seeing this?

Edit, ok the forum appears to be fucked since this post was made after the one below it.

I know I said I was done with this thread but I really have to step in to dispute this statement. The 6 speed Hemi in the Power Wagon will not, even with a tailwind, hold it's own with a CTD. As a matter of fact, the 6 speed can't hold it's own against a Hemi automatic because everyone knows Chrysler has different tuning for the manual transmission models to try and protect the drivetrain.

Do they teach reading comprehension in Va? The OP was stating that the 6 speed trans holds up BEHIND the cummins, not that the Hemi can out pull the Cummins.

As to the M 715 Comment, the M715 suspension is WORLDS better than the old PW, how do I know? I built one with a mild 440hp2, 727 Auto trans, detroit Lockers and 38" x 11.00 x 16 Boggers on the stock suspension, it had at least twice the wheel travel my dads PW had.

As to buying a new vehicle to wheel, My TJ was at the Badlands on the Pink trail with 280 Miles on the odometer, and I had it Wheeling in Moab with less than 2500 miles on it, not bad considering it is a 1300 mile plus trip one way to get there.

Wow this thread went from a simple question to a real pissing match!
Murfman, your probably right, a regular diesel ram with add ons could be built cheaper. I think I can handle manual sway bar disconnects.
It does look nice though.

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damn, i thought i clicked on Pirate but ended up at dodge truck world some how.:shaking:

damn, i thought i clicked on Pirate but ended up at dodge truck world some how.:shaking:
Get out of the DODGE FORUMthen fucktard:shaking:

Can someone get more stupid?

That's like asking why we talk about wheeling on this website, or why people always talk about chevys on the CHEVY FORUM.

Jee I wonder why?:shaking:

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Umm that is my point, the M-715 suspension does NOT flex, but it is still 10 times better than a WM-300 Guess reading Comprehension is > you :flipoff2: You and Elweenienil are quite the comedy pair, did they base the movie Dumb and Dumber on your lives? Or just Joe Dirt?:flipoff2::flipoff2:

Get out of the DODGE FORUMthen fucktard:shaking:

Can someone get more stupid?

That's like asking why we talk about wheeling on this website, or why people always talk about chevys on the CHEVY FORUM.

Jee I wonder why?:shaking:


listen you stupid cum guzzling shit stabbing newb.
drivel like this thread is whats fucking up this web site.
how about you and your boo-foo buddys go back to dodge talk and whine about whats better, some ghey ass $40K yuppiefied soccer mom drivin glorified mini van or your beat down worthless full time, tiny bearing, crappy interior rust bucket. :smokin:

listen you stupid cum guzzling shit stabbing newb.
drivel like this thread is whats fucking up this web site.
how about you and your boo-foo buddys go back to dodge talk and whine about whats better, some ghey ass $40K yuppiefied soccer mom drivin glorified mini van or your beat down worthless full time, tiny bearing, crappy interior rust bucket. :smokin:

Newb?
hahaha. Are you the type of person that beats his wife so you can feel like a big man?:shaking:

Aren't I in the Dodge Forum?
Do you see a soccer moms minivan?
I don't see any rust. Do you?
Tiny bearings. In what. My stock DD? It's stock.....Duh
You can stop making stuff up now.

Go back to holding your mommys hand newb:flipoff2:

First off I'm a chevy guy, not ford not dodge......but how is a PW that much better then lets say a F250 (with skids, winch, locking diffs, and some better tires) and they both have the same wheel base. I personally would rather have a pw cause they are sweet. O I forgot....crawling under and taking the sway bar off.

Newb?
hahaha. Are you the type of person that beats his wife so you can feel like a big man?:shaking:

Aren't I in the Dodge Forum?
Do you see a soccer moms minivan?
I don't see any rust. Do you?
Tiny bearings. In what. My stock DD? It's stock.....Duh
You can stop making stuff up now.

Go back to holding your mommys hand newb:flipoff2:

If we're going to open some more broad generalizations, it would seem you are one of the biggest edouches with all his cute little pent up anger to attempt to argue the point you are arguing in this particular thread.

In case you can't wrap your peabrain around it, bassdude was talking about the fact that this thread has turned into one of the most rainbow colored threads on here, complete with inane insults and third party shit talking paired with so much hearsay my HEAD IS GOING TO FUCKING EXPLODE.

Someone casually point me in the direction of the nearest biohazard dumpster, so I can toss this aborted fetus of a thread in it. :shaking:

I sincerely apoligize guys, I had no idea that this thread would go this direction.:shaking:

You opened a thread on the "new" Pirate4X4, what did you expect?(sarcasm)

MADDOG

I dont know what the "old" Pirate was like, but i think i'd like it better. This bullshit gets old pretty damn fast.

The new power wagons are sweet, cummins-powered would rock. Thanks for those pics.

If you dont think its a truck for you, dont buy it and STFU :mr-t: :shaking:

If you dont think its a truck for you, dont buy it and STFU :mr-t: :shaking:

It's a discussion assholes, you tend to get differing opinions. How about this, if you don't like the discussion, then don't stick your big ass in here and read it. :flipoff2:

It's a discussion assholes, you tend to get differing opinions. How about this, if you don't like the discussion, then don't stick your big ass in here and read it. :flipoff2:

Its a discussion about the new power wagon, not about Mogs vs Power Wagons.....:flipoff2:

First off I'm a chevy guy, not ford not dodge......but how is a PW that much better then lets say a F250 (with skids, winch, locking diffs, and some better tires) and they both have the same wheel base. I personally would rather have a pw cause they are sweet. O I forgot....crawling under and taking the sway bar off.

The big hype about the PW's is that it is a factory equipped off roader, that is more capable than most 4x4's that the other manufacturers have to offer. Ford (not yet) doesn't offer the same options that the Power Wagon comes standard. It is like buying a Rubi. Yes it is factory capable, but can you build one better... Yes. Same thing about the PW, you can drive away and hit some trails with self-recovery and still be a fullsize 3/4 ton truck with a big V8 that Americans love. IMO, the PW is the best mixture you can get from any manufacturer that offers a package for work/play, but not the best in neither

The new power wagons are sweet, cummins-powered would rock.



check out a Petersons 4wheel mag from a couple of months ago. they had some stuff in there about Dodge trying out a prototype Cummings PW with a 3 inch lift and 35s at Moab(IIRC). i cant remember what month that was now....

I'll admit that I like the new look and all the cushy stuff would be nice, but from my experience the CTD is just a bit too heavy for soft terrain. It works fine on rocks, but lighter would be nicer sometimes. That being said, this is my 92 CTD "Power Wagon". This is on 33's which have now been changed to 35" BFG KM2's. Sure bigger would be nice, but this is my daily driver which has gone on 3500 miles of roadtrip in the last month. Lots cheaper and still fun. With the G360 5 speed it just idles up some pretty decent stuff.
http://www.citlink.net/~minor/DodgeTruck/Flex.jpg

Rear D70 Detroit 3.54's (too tall), front D60 open :( ,no swaybar to disconnect:rolleyes:

nice truck!

looks like you could use a set of rocksliders to help out with that frame twist you got going on there though.....

Its a discussion about the new power wagon, not about Mogs vs Power Wagons.....:flipoff2:

He wasn't the one who mentioned Unimogs.

Its a discussion about the new power wagon, not about Mogs vs Power Wagons.....:flipoff2:

its a discussion and I can brig anything i want to the table:flipoff2:

check out a Petersons 4wheel mag from a couple of months ago. they had some stuff in there about Dodge trying out a prototype Cummings PW with a 3 inch lift and 35s at Moab(IIRC). i cant remember what month that was now....


Dude, did u even read what this fucking thread is about?:shaking:

Or even the title, lmfao...

Dude, did u even read what this fucking thread is about?:shaking:

apparently i need to learn to use my smileys more to indicate sarcasm as well as a plethera of other emotions. :D

this is when im laughing = :laughing:

this is when im feeling like a black actor with a catch phrase from the 80s = :mr-t:

and this is sarcasm (or so it says) = :rolleyes:

Back to the flares and fender trimming. Does anyone have any more pics of this truck which show the rear contour of the front flares and how they fit around the leading edge of the front doors? Also, and pics of what they did to the inner fenders?

Thanks,
Jon D.

This thread is pretty dam funny:laughing:! My guess would be that most of the negative comments are from people who haven't had a chance to use the new generation of Power Wagons. Will it out wheel a purpose built rig? No. But thats not what it was designed for. It will without question out wheel any other pickup right off the showroom floor! I do know that last summer when I drove from Az to Alaska pulling a trailer it wasn't to hard to choose between my rock buggy and my P.W. We would find a place to camp and unhook the trailer and could explore places that a stock truck wouldn't of had a prayer in making. Not to mention the 12k miles we drove were nice and comfy. Now if you want to talk about gas mileage I might be willing to bash on it some.:(

You will be able to buy the PW's used pretty soon. The BLM and Border Patrol are using them now. When they auction them off, buy one, eliminate the electric disconnect sway bar and install a diesel! May not be as cheap as 450 dollars, but a lot less than new.