To All Pirate Members

Rock Krawler Suspension is soon to be releasing a 4 inch and 5.5 inch suspension package designed to the stock modified class and RC Rocks Class 2 division. The system will feature our revolutionary independent three link front end design and a triangulated 4 link rear package. All lower control arms will be bent for high clearance and feature our new Monster Krawler Joints at the axle connections. The rear axle will be pushed back three inches to maximize the allowable wheel base for the class. We will provide new rear coil mounts with integrated adjustable bump stops and a pair of adjustable bump stops for the front as well. This system will be on display and functioning at the next WE Rock event at Rausch Creek, PA. Chris "Oz" Ozmun will be running the system in conjunction with a Gen Right Fuel Cell. Chris has been competing with our standard 5.5" X Factor Plus System for a while now! Chris actually drives his TJ to the Comps, pulls his windshield frame and top, then competes, put the windshield and top back on and drives home. He is a real testament to the improvements we have made in our products and a great person to work with.

Rock Krawler Suspension will also be giving major product discounts on this system for other Pirate 4x4 Members that want to compete in these classes in other areas around the U.S. We would prefer to get systems elsewhere through out the U.S. and not put other to compete directly with Oz at the Rausch Creek events. For those of you that would like further information please contact Rock Krawler Suspension directly.

Respectfully,

Rock Krawler Suspension

Here is a link to a complete system picture for all of those who are interested.

Same as described in this thread?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225659&highlight=rock+krawler+suspension

I run an RK setup, what is the problem with that? Got a good price, great install, and am very happy with it. I do not have a buggy, I have a Jeep. I have had an RE LA kit, this is better, much better. I had a Tera flex kit also, no comparison, RK hands down. Bad installation can cause bad problems. I got a prototype 10" stretch kit, that hopefully will be available to the general public soon. I do not know the guys at RK, but I am friends with a local shopowner who carries the line. I think there are 3 of these prototypes out there, and I know the other guy who runs it. He had the RK 5.5 LA kit before, and just did the rear half. In my opinion, and only MY opinion, best bang for the buck out there. I read through the other thread too.

Same as described in this thread?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225659&highlight=rock+krawler+suspension

lol @ bringing up 4 year old threads

lol @ bringing up 4 year old threads

Funny, I was thinking the same thing. Never fails, it is one of the reasons most people shy away from this board. Everyone thinks this is thier fawking soapbox to share thier long sad stories of failures past.

At least he has a yellow star now.

Will this kit stiil be of the high quality of the past. Should we expect tons of breakage and maybe even a death this time around.:flipoff2:

In!

Thanks for the chance...:D

Will this kit stiil be of the high quality of the past. Should we expect tons of breakage and maybe even a death this time around.:flipoff2:

Jeeeez! :flipoff2:

Funny, I was thinking the same thing. Never fails, it is one of the reasons most people shy away from this board. Everyone thinks this is thier fawking soapbox to share thier long sad stories of failures past.

"if we don't learn our history, we're doomed to repeat it"

"if we don't learn our history, we're doomed to repeat it"

You know, I absolutely agree, but it should not only work in the negative. For every negative post there is two or three loud mouths who jump in for no reason except because they are keyboard cowboys, and when someone posts something positive, they are shunned for speaking out against the obviously way hardcore grain. Each and everytime this happens it makes us all look like the fawking tards we are claiming not to be. Here is the thing. Sure there were problems, and they admit them and make every attempt to fix them, in person, on the phone or hell even here in the bowels of hell. Personally, I would never even log on to a site like this if I was a business to answer all the maligned attitude mongers this place hourds, but that is just me. If you don't like them, so be it, don't buy it. But stop spending all the time trying to prevent them from posting here. Seriously, a four year old thread? Can his problem be as bad as all that? I seriously doubt it. And if it was, I am sure it would have been resolved with a call to the right person. For all we know it could have been operator issue, or even god forbid a redneck install with 40 beer cans in the pile on a Friday night before the big run.

I have been running the RK 5.5 X factor long arm for several years now. I have approx. 25,000 plus miles on this kit with street time and hardcore trail and comp time. I have had zero issues other than the front lower contol arm joint loosening up once. It was Loctited and has not been an issue since. The first event of RCRocs last Nov. I competed, placed forth in my class (Class 2), wheeled the next day and drove to CT. from PA. for work on Monday. My jeep is stable, though not legal I can drive at 90mph on the highway with no issues. It is registered, inspected and street legal here in PA.

Like Rock Krawler said, I drive to the comps, pull my doors, top and windshield and compete. After the comp I put everything back on (top, doors, windshield) and drive an hour back home.

Rock Krawler like every other manufacturer has gone through an evolution in their suspension design and products. 3 link front, 4 link rear, and it works. I had my suspension installed by a professional shop that knows what they are doing. Like I said above, zero issues.

I am really looking forward to the comp system Rock Krawler will be installing on my jeep. The jeep works very well now, I can just imagine how well it will work once it is tweeked by the guys at Rock krawler. Thanks to Rock Krawler as well as my other sponsors...http://www.applehill4x4.com and http://www.solidaxle.com . Also Genright who will be providing a fuel cell for the jeep to work with the stretched comp suspension.

Shipping to 77566? :D I'd seriously like to run some comps at Spring Creek. I'd even drive my jeep the hour there just because. :D

I am really looking forward to the comp system Rock Krawler will be installing on my jeep. The jeep works very well now, I can just imagine how well it will work once it is tweeked by the guys at Rock krawler...


Chris,
Who is doing the install? Is it going to actually be done at the RK shop or by Steve at Custom Auto? I am interested in some pics when you are done. I have had similar success with my previous generation 2 kit from Rk, and have gone to the latest stretch kit and am in the middle of the install now...Best of luck, I am sure it will be as promised.

I have been running the RK 5.5 X factor long arm for several years now. I have approx. 25,000 plus miles on this kit with street time and hardcore trail and comp time. I have had zero issues other than the front lower contol arm joint loosening up once. It was Loctited and has not been an issue since. The first event of RCRocs last Nov. I competed, placed forth in my class (Class 2), wheeled the next day and drove to CT. from PA. for work on Monday. My jeep is stable, though not legal I can drive at 90mph on the highway with no issues. It is registered, inspected and street legal here in PA.

Like Rock Krawler said, I drive to the comps, pull my doors, top and windshield and compete. After the comp I put everything back on (top, doors, windshield) and drive an hour back home.

Rock Krawler like every other manufacturer has gone through an evolution in their suspension design and products. 3 link front, 4 link rear, and it works. I had my suspension installed by a professional shop that knows what they are doing. Like I said above, zero issues.

I am really looking forward to the comp system Rock Krawler will be installing on my jeep. The jeep works very well now, I can just imagine how well it will work once it is tweeked by the guys at Rock krawler. Thanks to Rock Krawler as well as my other sponsors...http://www.applehill4x4.com and http://www.solidaxle.com . Also Genright who will be providing a fuel cell for the jeep to work with the stretched comp suspension.

Getting an honest opinion about a product by someone who is sponsored by the manufacturer.....sweet :rolleyes:

Getting an honest opinion about a product by someone who is sponsored by the manufacturer.....sweet :rolleyes:

Truth be known....Oz just picked up the RK sponsorship within the last 2 weeks. He has been running their kit for a lot longer then that and it works!!
I know RK has had a bad rep in the past....but it looks to me like they have come a long way.

Oz Congrats on the new sponsorship and good luck w/ the new suspension and fuel cell. :smokin:

New kit looks pimp guys!

I just installed a RK 5.5" kit on one of my vehicles and the kit is super nice. It rides great on the road and performs flawlessly on the trail. RK has taken the time to work out all the previous bugs and problems with old kits. If you are truly concerned about the product, call and talk to someone at RK or visit them at any event they are at. They really know what they are talking about and have designed some killer products.

For all that are interested in sponsorship programs for this product please contact Rock Krawler Suspension Directly. We will post the retail price for the system on our site soon, but sponsorship programs are available. We would just like to spread it out across the country.

For those on this board who want to talk about the past, that is fine, continue to do so, but it has nothing to do with the present, the future or the foundation of this post!

i would actually like to know more about your steering system? any pics of it? i dont see where the draglink mounts. and do you have to ream the nuckles to flip the tie rod?

To set the record straight the company changed hands once in 2003! Since then, it has been all the same owners. The last we checked we have never been involved in any legal matters for any product related issues. In fact that would be a matter of public record and easy to prove so the urban legend is over!

RockJeep92504 and any other nay sayers. We are going to speak a little pirate 4x4 here. We have made it public what we are doing and the competition kit that we will be offering. You know it will be out there. Bring your own vehicle and come and compete against us. Run what ya brung! At the last RCRocks comp at RC we had at least four rigs running our products with no issues.

Lets Have Some Fun! :)

Rock Krawler Suspension

Best long-arm kits on the market, click here (http://www.claytonoffroad.com/)

We are also concidering including in the system heavy duty lower control arm mounts as well as a rear Currie Anti-Rock sway bar package. What do you all think?

We will be offering custom upper control arms front and rear at no charge for folks that have non standard axles or non OE axles. This will be a requirement for customers not using the OEM style front upper diff mount assembly.

We are also concidering including in the system heavy duty lower control arm mounts as well as a rear Currie Anti-Rock sway bar package. What do you all think?

A well designed suspension shouldn't need a sway bar band-aid.
Consider coil-overs.

Unfortunately coil overs are not allowed in this class. If you plan on running coil overs you may as well build a full buggy to be competitive. If you look at how the rules and classes are laid out, that kills people. It would be nice if the rules would allow for coil overs for YJ and CJ owners so they could be competitive with TJ Owners.

Unfortunately coil overs are not allowed in this class. If you plan on running coil overs you may as well build a full buggy to be competitive. If you look at how the rules and classes are laid out, that kills people. It would be nice if the rules would allow for coil overs for YJ and CJ owners so they could be competitive with TJ Owners.

really.....

when did this change happen?

You guys who bash RK are bashing them based on products from years ago. I know several people who have been running their stuff for several years now, and it has held up to serious abuse and it is one of the best performing kits out there.

Best long-arm kits on the market, click here (http://www.claytonoffroad.com/)

That company listed does not offer a kit that stretches the wheelbase for this class. No comparison here. But thanks.


Never Monday, here's the rules...

http://www.rcrocs.com/comp/class.php#2

You guys who bash RK are bashing them based on products from years ago. I know several people who have been running their stuff for several years now, and it has held up to serious abuse and it is one of the best performing kits out there.

not bashing at all, I'm interested in the system. I'm just wondering why it's not optimized to the rules. It just seems like a bolt on version of Gen-Rights stuff.

That company listed does not offer a kit that stretches the wheelbase for this class. No comparison here. But thanks.


Never Monday, here's the rules...

http://www.rcrocs.com/comp/class.php#2

Claytons kit can easily strech the WB. All depends on where the brackets go.

Those arn't WE Rocks rules. There on the WE Rock site at werocklive.com
No where in the mod stock rules have I read that CO's are not legal. It just takes work to make them work. What RK has designed will be a good system. I like to see more info on it.

Never Monday

The class we are most interested in is the class that is most practical for the common everyday wheeler looking to compete. In the old Neuroc/Uroc rules that was the stock modified class. This class allowed long arm systems and allowed you to keep the wheel base within three inches of the factory wheel base. This is also pretty much a full featured vehicle. This class also carries across to many sanctioning organizations for Rock Crawling.

Once you go coil over all bets are off and you are in the modified class or higher which really only has to be a stock frame. From there the sky is the limits. This is really not practical for the common person looking to wheel in our opinion. The rules have basically been this way for a long time now.

It certainly is not a rendition of Gen Right's stuff at all. Our system is integrated into a nice clean skid plate mounting system that assures people they will have the proper instant centers right out of the box. Gen Right's kit or Poly's kit certainly is more of a Fab Kit. Serious knowledge of instant centers/roll centers is required in order to make that system perform well. That system does not come with an integrated skid plate design or anything like that either. We are putting out an integrated system that is designed to operate at an optimum for this class. It will almost be more of a "spec class" type system. We actually wish other companies would join in. Then you could really compare how systems work side by side in real world applications and the consumers would really benefit from it. We invite all the aftermarket manufacturer's to jump in and form a "Spec Class" based on the Class 2 rules. That would absolutely be awesome!

You are also correct that if you wanted to locate the brackets rearward a few inches then Clayton Offroad's system would also qualify perfectly for this class. They are more than welcome to hop in for some fun.

Never Monday

The class we are most interested in is the class that is most practical for the common everyday wheeler looking to compete. In the old Neuroc/Uroc rules that was the stock modified class. This class allowed long arm systems and allowed you to keep the wheel base within three inches of the factory wheel base. This is also pretty much a full featured vehicle. This class also carries across to many sanctioning organizations for Rock Crawling.

under the current WE Rock rules (the ones we have to build to) coil overs are legal.
Are you going to make your system available in partial kits so we choose our own springing medium? or will we have to run the "complete system"

Where's Lil' Rich??

Getting an honest opinion about a product by someone who is sponsored by the manufacturer.....sweet :rolleyes:

My jeep was built by Apple Hill 4x4 and not sponsored in anyway in the last several years. All the coin came out of my pocket. I have posted before about my positive experiances with my current Rock Krawler lift.. Kyle (owner of Badlands Offroad Park and former owner of Paragon Adventure Park) is someone who is familure with my jeep. I've been running the system well before this year and Kyle can attest to that. No issues. Apple Hill 4x4 was kind enough to sponsor me for the RCRoc's Series at Rausch Creek this year. Rock Krawler was at the 2nd comp and somehow between Apple Hill 4x4 and Rock Krawler this idea of putting this new kit on my jeep came about, it's that simple. I wheel quite regularily at Rausch Creek and theres a lot of people that can attest to how well the jeep does set up as it is....I can't wait to run the comp system. It's gonna kickass ! :D

A well designed suspension shouldn't need a sway bar band-aid.
Consider coil-overs.
that's pretty funny. some of the best rigs run sway bars. but what would shannon campbell know?

really.....

when did this change happen?

Not sure, but if you read the Stock Mod rules look at 4.20, that basically says the vehicle must be supported by coils independant of other items like shocks...I read that to say no coilovers on Stock Mod which Class 2 at RCRoc's parallels....

In RCRoc's, anyone running coilovers is not able to run in Class 2, they must run Class 3 or higher.

Not sure, but if you read the Stock Mod rules look at 4.20, that basically says the vehicle must be supported by coils independant of other items like shocks...I read that to say no coilovers on Stock Mod which Class 2 at RCRoc's parallels....

In RCRoc's, anyone running coilovers is not able to run in Class 2, they must run Class 3 or higher.

Lil and I have about 2 hrs in questions and answers about my CO suspension for SM. His last take was if the body and frame arn't cut to install them they are legal.
I was told 4.20 was written to stop people from putting in a 40 in/lb tender coil then going through the body with an air shock. If I pull the springs off of my CO's they have enough rate to maintain ride height.

Again, I'm not knocking the advancement in the RK system. It's nice to see others stepping up and supporting a class everyone thought was on it's death bed.

Truth be known....Oz just picked up the RK sponsorship within the last 2 weeks. He has been running their kit for a lot longer then that and it works!!
I know RK has had a bad rep in the past....but it looks to me like they have come a long way.

Oz Congrats on the new sponsorship and good luck w/ the new suspension and fuel cell. :smokin:

Thank you ! Chuck is another person who is familure with my jeep. He has seen it wheeling since we used to go to Paragon. No sponsorship until like Chuck said, it literally happened a week or 2 ago...and I've been running Rock Krawlers suspension long before that... :flipoff2:

Lil and I have about 2 hrs in questions and answers about my CO suspension for SM. His last take was if the body and frame arn't cut to install them they are legal.
I was told 4.20 was written to stop people from putting in a 40 in/lb tender coil then going through the body with an air shock. If I pull the springs off of my CO's they have enough rate to maintain ride height.

Again, I'm not knocking the advancement in the RK system. It's nice to see others stepping up and supporting a class everyone thought was on it's death bed.

I gotta tell ya, RCRoc's is a grass roots kinda comp looking to get guy's/gals to step up to organizations like WEROCK, and based on the turnout of both competitors and fans...I think it's working !

I gotta tell ya, RCRoc's is a grass roots kinda comp looking to get guy's/gals to step up to organizations like WEROCK, and based on the turnout of both competitors and fans...I think it's working !

no argument there. Since WE Rock is the sanctioning body. Everybody has to get on their rule book.

Chris,
Who is doing the install? Is it going to actually be done at the RK shop or by Steve at Custom Auto? I am interested in some pics when you are done. I have had similar success with my previous generation 2 kit from Rk, and have gone to the latest stretch kit and am in the middle of the install now...Best of luck, I am sure it will be as promised.

Build will be done at Rock krawlers shop. :smokin:

I'm sure they will post pic's.....

Yeah, RockKrawler Susp., while I commend you for your kit, and getting it out in comp, you are wrong about the coilover rule. I know, we run airshocks all the way around on our stock mod rig. Is your rig running in the WERock Roush Creek event in August? Hope to see yall there, and good luck.

I'll toss my .02 in here. I'm not sponsored by RK at all, I've paid for everything I have picked up from RK. I'm running the stretch setup right now and honestly for the "less than buggy" crowd I'd put my rig up against anyone running Clayton or anything else for that matter. We wheel our junk every weekend out here in the AZ rocks and wheel it pretty hard considering. I've never had any breakage, with or without the stretch. I ran the X-Factor for a year and a half before I did the coil stretch. Since I've done the stretch my rig climbs better than it ever has. It's more stable now than it was before also. Oh, and before you ask, yeah myself and my friends have installed every piece of it ourselves. I have never paid anyone to install parts on my rig.

Yeah, there might have been some issues way in the past and RK's current ownership has done more than their fair share of picking up the slack in that department.

I'd feel comfortable putting my TJ in any comp and running it in this class.

Yeah, RockKrawler Susp., while I commend you for your kit, and getting it out in comp, you are wrong about the coilover rule. I know, we run airshocks all the way around on our stock mod rig. Is your rig running in the WERock Roush Creek event in August? Hope to see yall there, and good luck.

In the link to the rules posted above, this is in the class 2 section:

"Suspension must be of a type as used by factory (no air shocks, air bag or coil over suspension unless factory). "

Its not out of the WERock rules on the WERock site, but the rules in the class they built the suspension for in RCRocks. Best I can tell any way. I don't know anything about RCRocks though, only WERock.

I think it's great that manufacturers are making kits to be used in comp. - it helps the sport grow.

It certainly is not a rendition of Gen Right's stuff at all. Our system is integrated into a nice clean skid plate mounting system that assures people they will have the proper instant centers right out of the box. Gen Right's kit or Poly's kit certainly is more of a Fab Kit. Serious knowledge of instant centers/roll centers is required in order to make that system perform well. That system does not come with an integrated skid plate design or anything like that either. We are putting out an integrated system that is designed to operate at an optimum for this class. It will almost be more of a "spec class" type system. We actually wish other companies would join in. Then you could really compare how systems work side by side in real world applications and the consumers would really benefit from it. We invite all the aftermarket manufacturer's to jump in and form a "Spec Class" based on the Class 2 rules. That would absolutely be awesome!


isnt gen rights kit bassically made by poly?

In the link to the rules posted above, this is in the class 2 section:

"Suspension must be of a type as used by factory (no air shocks, air bag or coil over suspension unless factory). "

Its not out of the WERock rules on the WERock site, but the rules in the class they built the suspension for in RCRocks. Best I can tell any way. I don't know anything about RCRocks though, only WERock.

There is the problem.
If their going to market this as a Stock-Mod suspension system. Then it should meet the Stock-Mod rules. Yes the kit meets the minimums and, would do the intended job. It's lacking to maximize the rules. Maximizing the rules and engineering to win is part of the fun of competition in any motor sport.
If the kit were made available as sub kits or pieces like Clayton or RE does. Then we could customize it to our benefit within the rules. Otherwise I see it as an excellent alternative for the weld on 3/4 link stuff out there.

Rock Krawler, a few post ago you asked for opinions. I've said mine. Have a nice day.

isnt gen rights kit bassically made by poly?
That's the way I understand it.

The system will be able to be broken down to a long arm upgrade for those desiring to do so. Our track bar geometry and corrections relies on the factory Geometry which is great for guys running OE style 44 fronts. Once people deviate from that with high steer setups and things of that nature custom track bar geometry will be required.

It is great to see all the buggies and Pro's out there, however the back bone of the off road community is the grass roots guys. These are the guys we are trying to help out.

YJ_and_Corey Please do not PM us unless you have something usefull to add to the conversation. We copied your PM below. We are glad you like Clayton's products. I am sure Adam and Clayton appreciate it. If you feel so confident, put your money where your PM is. Show up and compete!





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i don't wheel a Jeep... don't even really like them. but i can say i wheel with two guys that thrash the newest and latest from RK and have gone through most of the generations of the RK line over the years. they both could be considered local test pilots for RK in my mind.

their jeep junk doesn't break suspension components... period. never have i witnessed anything RK break. The stuff may be heavier than i would personally run, but it is no doubt solid.

and... no matter what suspension is going into a grass-roots comp rig, it will always be the better driver with a little luck that will take the win... :smokin: that is what it is all about. now a company is stepping up and offering a specific kit so the masses can get into competition with their daily driver. maybe this will move a little focus off the few public trails in the Northeast we have left.... time for a round of applause.

There is the problem.
If their going to market this as a Stock-Mod suspension system. Then it should meet the Stock-Mod rules. Yes the kit meets the minimums and, would do the intended job. It's lacking to maximize the rules. Maximizing the rules and engineering to win is part of the fun of competition in any motor sport.
If the kit were made available as sub kits or pieces like Clayton or RE does. Then we could customize it to our benefit within the rules. Otherwise I see it as an excellent alternative for the weld on 3/4 link stuff out there.

Rock Krawler, a few post ago you asked for opinions. I've said mine. Have a nice day.


That's the way I understand it.

I see what your saying and its definitely not all that it could be for WERock, but it is for the class that it was designed for in RCRocks. Maybe they could work something out for a WERock legal kit that pushes the kit even farther. Hell, they offer coil overs in some of their other kits. Who knows, I'm sure they'd work with people to provide what they needed/wanted.

hey I think the idea is great. I am part of RCrocs and its processes. We design the rules for grass roots and people who still have a vehicle that they drive or still care about. A kit that is designed to still be street legal and friendly plus give an advantage in the grass roots competitions is a great idea. I feel this style of competition is needed to keep interest in the sport and provide a stepping stone. We all started somewhere. For a manufacter to put kits in for these types of competitors is great. It shows they are still appreciated and it is a target market competition. I saw first hand the rock krawler of old and those who know who I am know what I mean. I was around when they first started making kits and I was there for some of the first prototypes. I have seen their new stuff and think it is great. I even know the owner of a vehicle they have now for tests and couldn't say anything better about what they are doing. RK keep up the good work. There are still some out here who appreciate what you do.


Oh and by the way I do not have any affiliation nor do they have any part or sponsership towards my vehicles.

that's pretty funny. some of the best rigs run sway bars. but what would shannon campbell know?


No shit....lol

Unfortunately coil overs are not allowed in this class. If you plan on running coil overs you may as well build a full buggy to be competitive. If you look at how the rules and classes are laid out, that kills people. It would be nice if the rules would allow for coil overs for YJ and CJ owners so they could be competitive with TJ Owners.

Ditto. I was bumped to compete against the unlimiteds due to having coilovers. Kinda sucks considering I'm running 36" tires. The last comp they did separate the unlimited class into class 4 but the tire size for class 3 remained 37" and up. I've gotten over the problems I've had with RK kits. it has been a few years ( had the kit just before they switched to the belly pan design). I had issues I wish were handled better but with the staffing changes that reportedly happened I hope things go better. I am a little concerned about the prebent control arms though.

YJ_and_Corey Please do not PM us unless you have something usefull to add to the conversation. We copied your PM below. We are glad you like Clayton's products. I am sure Adam and Clayton appreciate it. If you feel so confident, put your money where your PM is. Show up and compete!





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He isn't wrong...

#408 Class II (tied for first in the series)

I run a Clayton kit, and i'll never swap for anything else.

Bborder and Corey,
give the guy a chance. He's helping to build a class that almost lost it's National Championship event.
Let him bring his system in good faith. if it's junk, that will be proven quickly. If it's good, then it will build competition and bring more people to the events.

The guy in second for that class has RK system. With a max tire of 37 wouldn't you want to offer a 3" kit also, just my 2 cents

Bborder and Corey,
give the guy a chance. He's helping to build a class that almost lost it's National Championship event.
Let him bring his system in good faith. if it's junk, that will be proven quickly. If it's good, then it will build competition and bring more people to the events.


I don't think i am not giving him a chance, he merely stated that if corey thinks clayton is so good, to come compete with it. I merely stepped in and said i already am, i'm not saying either which way with RK suspension, i'm not much a fan from what i've seen, but thats my own opinion.

And i'm stretched about 1.5" and i really don't think it much an advantage, the courses are designed very tight, and the cherokee's which have longer stock wheelbases have been having trouble in the turns. My opinion, run a triangulated 4 link, drop the sway bars and run suspension winches.

I'll toss my .02 in here. I'm not sponsored by RK at all, I've paid for everything I have picked up from RK. I'm running the stretch setup right now and honestly for the "less than buggy" crowd I'd put my rig up against anyone running Clayton or anything else for that matter. We wheel our junk every weekend out here in the AZ rocks and wheel it pretty hard considering. I've never had any breakage, with or without the stretch. I ran the X-Factor for a year and a half before I did the coil stretch. Since I've done the stretch my rig climbs better than it ever has. It's more stable now than it was before also. Oh, and before you ask, yeah myself and my friends have installed every piece of it ourselves. I have never paid anyone to install parts on my rig.

Yeah, there might have been some issues way in the past and RK's current ownership has done more than their fair share of picking up the slack in that department.

I'd feel comfortable putting my TJ in any comp and running it in this class.

I am just glad I got mine before you, so I could show you how to drive.......:flipoff2:

I am just glad I got mine before you, so I could show you how to drive.......:flipoff2:

When did you learn?:flipoff2:

When did you learn?:flipoff2:

His daughter taught him!:flipoff2:

I don't think i am not giving him a chance, he merely stated that if corey thinks clayton is so good, to come compete with it. I merely stepped in and said i already am, i'm not saying either which way with RK suspension, i'm not much a fan from what i've seen, but thats my own opinion.

And i'm stretched about 1.5" and i really don't think it much an advantage, the courses are designed very tight, and the cherokee's which have longer stock wheelbases have been having trouble in the turns. My opinion, run a triangulated 4 link, drop the sway bars and run suspension winches.

clayton fans go bark in a new thread.

lets see some rk jeeps in action and their builds

Border 24 Currently on the RCRocks website you are listed in 6th place, not first! It is a long season so maybe there is hope for you yet.

I have personally seen the newest offering of RK and Clayton's kits side by side and in my opinion there is not much of a comparison. The RK kit is a much better design and certainly looks much better when installed in Jeep. Clayton's kits look they belong in a beater or some piece of farm equipment. In particular on the Clayton kits I really like the locate bracket with tape measure and weld here option. That is really sweet. If my John Deere needed a suspension system Clayton would be my guy.

Just look at the basics of the two kits. RK in general runs an independent three link front end and triangulate 4 link rear. This is in general the suspension design used by most high end comp rigs. Clayton runs a clone of the RE radius arm front end - no winner there!

rockdw22 We will be offering the same kit at 4" of lift as well. The problem is to run at 3 to 4 inches of lift versus 5.5" usually requires flattie front fenders and things of that nature which may or may not be street legal for those who care about their rig and its potential street usage. Ask all of those who got pulled over in Moab this past year. Those tickets are alot of fun. If it is strictly a Comp rig then the 3 to 4 inch lift will be perfect.


To All - We did not come here to have a debate about who is better in suspension. We came to make an announcement and clear up any misconceptions in the rumor mill on Pirate. Please start a new thread if that is what you want to debate and remember there are alot of other suspension companies out there than the two being mentioned in this post. It always seems to come down to these two on line which is wierd in its vary nature, but it is what it is. We will be running that kit at the next We Rock event and that is how it is.

Claytons kit can easily strech the WB. All depends on where the brackets go.


A well designed suspension shouldn't need a sway bar band-aid.
Consider coil-overs.

i laughed at these two posts. are your serious right now?:laughing::laughing:

Border 24 Currently on the RCRocks website you are listed in 6th place, not first! It is a long season so maybe there is hope for you yet.

I have personally seen the newest offering of RK and Clayton's kits side by side and in my opinion there is not much of a comparison. The RK kit is a much better design and certainly looks much better when installed in Jeep. Clayton's kits look they belong in a beater or some piece of farm equipment. In particular on the Clayton kits I really like the locate bracket with tape measure and weld here option. That is really sweet. If my John Deere needed a suspension system Clayton would be my guy.

Just look at the basics of the two kits. RK in general runs an independent three link front end and triangulate 4 link rear. This is in general the suspension design used by most high end comp rigs. Clayton runs a clone of the RE radius arm front end - no winner there!

http://photos.imageevent.com/tealj/rcrocs61408/STANDINGS.pdf

read the SERIES standings, not the first event standings... :shaking:

2 down, 1 event to go, tied for first with team #222.

i laughed at these two posts. are your serious right now?:laughing::laughing:

If you don't get it, I can't explain it to you.

I'm just a redneck from the south. We don't know notthin about sett'en up cars.

http://photos.imageevent.com/tealj/rcrocs61408/STANDINGS.pdf

read the SERIES standings, not the first event standings... :shaking:

2 down, 1 event to go, tied for first with team #222.

congrats, see you in September.

To All - We did not come here to have a debate about who is better in suspension. We came to make an announcement and clear up any misconceptions in the rumor mill on Pirate. Please start a new thread if that is what you want to debate and remember there are alot of other suspension companies out there than the two being mentioned in this post. It always seems to come down to these two on line which is wierd in its vary nature, but it is what it is. We will be running that kit at the next We Rock event and that is how it is.

their is another spot on the forum for this. but since this is here how about some tech! like some real world rigs runnin your stuff

Mean Green

What would you like to know? Feel free to ask away on the tech side. I think most people on pirate already understand independent three links and triangulated 4 links really well, the benefits and drawbacks of each. As far as people running our products we believe there are plenty of them in this thread you could ask. Anything in particular you are looking for?

Rock Krawler Suspension

clayton fans are the shit

lets not see some rk jeeps in action and their builds



clayton all the way for me, i will admit i use to hate clayton but then the more i saw it and how reliable their shit is i went with it. I love my tj kit on my yj and i wont buy anything other than clayton.

If you don't get it, I can't explain it to you.

I'm just a redneck from the south. We don't know notthin about sett'en up cars.

i guess you can't. keep thinking that buddy :laughing:

I have personally seen the newest offering of RK and Clayton's kits side by side and in my opinion there is not much of a comparison. The RK kit is a much better design and certainly looks much better when installed in Jeep. Clayton's kits look they belong in a beater or some piece of farm equipment. In particular on the Clayton kits I really like the locate bracket with tape measure and weld here option. That is really sweet. If my John Deere needed a suspension system Clayton would be my guy.


You my friend, are fucked.

You my friend, are fucked.

dear redneck piece of sh*t,

i think he summed up the clayton "kit" quite well.

the end.

dear redneck piece of sh*t,

i think he summed up the clayton "kit" quite well.

the end.

are you drunk? you're not making any sense.

i have no prob with either clayton or RK. i just want to see some RK rigs doin their thing. post some comp pics and what all has been done to them maybe say their record in competin

dear redneck piece of sh*t,

i think he summed up the clayton "kit" quite well.

the end.

I'm not a redneck, I'm a Horseman from the steppes of Russia.

He stated - that in his opinion, Clayton kits "look" farmer built - or hack.

I don't give a shit how they look, their stuff just doesn't break - and if you've been in this game for more than a year or two - you start to get sick of breaking. I've built my own suspension on rigs in the past - but for the money I'll just run their stretch "kits" and spend my extra time not spent fabricating hanging out with my hot wife.

Besides - as stated before, they will allow you to buy any piece of their gear you want - off any kit, if you figure it will work for your application. And yes, it's all weld on. So I guess if you aren't comfortable welding (newbie) Clayton isn't for you.

Besides - you are 21. Which means you actually don't know shit about fuck.

Mean Green

Currently in RCRocks 325-Knoll,Gregg (S) Adrenaline O.R. is in second place and has one of our 5.5" kits in his rig. Chris Ozmun is in sixth place and Archie Varone is in ninth. Both Gregg and Chris are running X Factor Kits that are over two years old and Archie is running a Gen II kit that is over three years old. Archie has competed with his rig for over three years straight. For those of you that know Archie he is a great guy and a class act at the Comps. His placing does not reflect his heart in the sport. He usually ends up on his lid more than once at an event. He is a testament to the journeymen of this sport! Chris started competing last year. He is the only guy we know of that actually drives his rig to the comps and then drives home. We do not really know Gregg but, wish him the best of luck! He represents Jeff of Adrenaline Offroad. There are a few others as well, but we do not know them at all.

We will put our current products up against anyone else's products any place any time. That is what we are doing. Our products structure, fit and finish and durability are unquestionable and that is being proven with this kit designed just for grass roots Comp guys. It really does not very from our standard products at all other than it offers a three inch stretch. That is it.

For those of you that support us on this thread, that is great, but please do not bash Clayton Offroad. For those of you that support Clayton, that is great, but don't bash RK. That is not the purpose or point of this thread at all! If that is what you want to do then find a new thread please! It is time to grow up and move on.


Respectfully,

Rock Krawler Suspension

really.....

when did this change happen?

BwahAhahahaa.....

I know you have Oz's jeep.........any updates?

Just went up there yesterday evening.....:smokin:

Any particular reason why a 'bolt on' suspension kit is in the 'hardcore tech' area? :flipoff2: :shaking:

so is the rear truss any stronger now? it looks like the same old thin design that i bent to crap..other then that i think it is a good kit for the money.
i also like the new skid plate.good luck with the new kit, hope things have changed.

Besides - you are 21. Which means you actually don't know shit about fuck.

Srsly?

Just went up there yesterday evening.....:smokin:

I knew that...just bumping this thread back up.

I'm not a redneck, I'm a Horseman from the steppes of Russia.

He stated - that in his opinion, Clayton kits "look" farmer built - or hack.

I don't give a shit how they look, their stuff just doesn't break - and if you've been in this game for more than a year or two - you start to get sick of breaking. I've built my own suspension on rigs in the past - but for the money I'll just run their stretch "kits" and spend my extra time not spent fabricating hanging out with my hot wife.

Besides - as stated before, they will allow you to buy any piece of their gear you want - off any kit, if you figure it will work for your application. And yes, it's all weld on. So I guess if you aren't comfortable welding (newbie) Clayton isn't for you.

Besides - you are 21. Which means you actually don't know shit about fuck.


ive learned to ignore this hick, he makes dumbass comments in alot of threads...


I DEMAND RESPECT
just for you man :flipoff2:

ive learned to ignore this hick, he makes dumbass comments in alot of threads...

Big words from a guy with a stock TJ. Funny thing about the internet - even newbies like you with stock rigs can command respect somewhere.

Fawk

In your world do hicks have masters degrees? Just wondering.

Fawk off.

Yes. I work at a john deere dealer and 3 people that work there have masters. And one of them is a tech. and they are hicks. Education is a big deal but it isn't everything. And doesn't help you to be any less of a retard

Big words from a guy with a stock TJ. Funny thing about the internet - even newbies like you with stock rigs can command respect somewhere.

Fawk

the dumbass comments you make arnt about anything technical. its just your personality that has sucked from what i see. no offence, i just want to be clear.

you have seen a stock tj before right?


P.S. ill fix my post so you dont look stoopid


















Back to the tech?

Any particular reason why a 'bolt on' suspension kit is in the 'hardcore tech' area? :flipoff2: :shaking:

It is not a bolt on kit.

RK Susp., you may want to delete this thread and start over and just report the stupid posts as they come in instead of dignifying them with responses so the Mods can delete them. You guys are coming to the table with a product to support regional comps--that is rad and should be commended. I have seen Oz beat the daylights out of his rig--he may be a horrible driver, but his suspension seems to work well.:p

For the record, I am a converted Clayton fan. The square arms used to make me cringe when I saw them, but their KISS build technique made a believer out of me and the BEEF they build with earns respect. And for anyone that cannot use a tape measure maybe you should not be concerned with anything but bolt-on trinkets...:shaking:

Lastly, in case Bboarder247 has not mentioned, the other rig he is tied with is running a Clayton Hard Arm kit, too, and intends to spank the rest of the field in September. Bring it, sukkas! :flipoff2:

Quoted from Zachv "I have seen Oz beat the daylights out of his rig--he may be a horrible driver, but his suspension seems to work well."

Why Thank you Zach ! :D

I thought you would see that pretty quick. I was trying to get you mad so you would get it awn in September. That darn Varone character is not doing much for the RK team so you need to step it up.:flipoff2:

Archie should let his daughter drive.:grinpimp:

I thought you would see that pretty quick. I was trying to get you mad so you would get it awn in September. That darn Varone character is not doing much for the RK team so you need to step it up.:flipoff2:

Archie should let his daughter drive.:grinpimp:

Hey Zach.......:flipoff2: LOL.........so ya saw me at the mall the other day.

Well...you have had Oz's jeep for a week now......any progress?

To All

Thank you for following the thread! Oz's Jeep is just about finished. We are almost finished with the final specs of the kit and the component list. One of the items we will certainly be adding is our new Heavy Duty control arm mounts for the front and rear. Our cradle tie in plates will be standard items as they are in all of our kits now. We also recommend the use of Currrie Anti Rock Sway Bars for the rear. We will not supply rear sway bar links in the kit since the OEM units hang down way too much for this type of enviroment. We are also going to provide a new weld in cross member since the OEM Cross member where the shocks went will need to be removed for clearance purposes.

We would also like to thank Gen Right for stepping up and suppliing one of their awesome gas tanks for Oz's Jeep as well.

Respectfully,

Rock Krawler

pictures?

It is not a bolt on kit.


No, but it's definately a Kit by a well known Suspension manufacturer. Had this been a Skyjacker/Superlift/<insert suspension company name here>, you'd have been crying 'where's the tech'?

Closed, moved to newbie where it will be reopened.

Rock Krawler Sus .... nice setup, looks promising and way to step up for folks that are competing. A far cry from the rep your company had years ago. Kudos to you! :beer:

After competing in two RcRoc's events this year, Rock krawler Suspension decided they wanted to design a 3" stretch suspension for guys mainly in the grass roots comps like RRocks and RCRoc's. Since I already had the X factor Plus 5.5 Kit, they decided my jeep was the candidate for design and installation of this first stretched suspension geared toward the guys running Class 2. After talking to RK I decided to go ahead and let them tweek my jeep.

First, I already had the brackets welded in in the center of the jeep that the transfer case skid is bolted to, the front would remain the same, the rear would be stretched 3". RK did install all new arms with the fixed end at the frame attachment area.

Below is a pic of the bracket on one side of the jeep that is welded on as an attachment point for the long arms. Notice the smooth transition at the mounting point from the transfer case skid area to the arms. No brackets hanging down here....

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0582.jpg

This is a pic of the end used now at the frame mounting point for the long arms, this keeps the arms from rotating side to side.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0572-1.jpg

A pic of a complete arm with the fixed bushing end and krawler joint on the other end.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0570.jpg

All my arms were changed from the older style with joints on both end to this style where applicable.

Since this kit is aimed toward the competitor, there are quite a few differences from a bolt on kit. New lower heavy duty control arm brackets with an integrated skid for the arm are welded on after the old brackets are cut off...

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0595.jpg

Notice the shock mount location on the side of the bracket, out boarding the shocks on the front axle to help stability in off camber. Since I am running Solids Axle Industries D60's front and rear, with hydro assist in the front, all the mounts are custom. Brackets that Solid put on for the contol arms were cut off with the plasma and new Rock Krawler mount was welded on, shock mounts were then evaluated and moved/welded to the location you see in the pick. This allows me to go from 13" BBCS to their 15" BBCS, giving me almost 4" of additional droop in the front, while still having adequate uptravel.

As long as we are talking shocks, new weld in bump stops that are adjustable to accommodate changes in springs/shocks/tires etc. are part of the kit. In the back the stock location spring bucket is cut off the frame and a new mount with the welded in bumpstop moved back on the frame to accomadate the stretch is installed.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0565.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0569.jpg

Here you can see the relocated spring/bumpstop.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0594.jpg

We would like to thank Oz for his help and wish him the best of luck with his comps and keeping his jeep streetable. We would also like to thank Gen Right for their tank/skid combination and Solid Axle for all their support! This kit is not a simple bolt in system and requieres trimming of the rear fenders to push the axle back as well as changing the gas tank out to a Gen Right style tank or a fuel cell.

The final system image will be posted soon.

We did alot of simple changes and or updates to his kit. We out boarded the front and rear shocks as much as possible to improve off camber ability. We added tabs to the rear of cradle so Oz can put axle limiting straps in the rear. He has a suck down winch mount on the front. Just basic common sense items. His wheel base is now at 97" which keeps this system perfectly legal for class two rigs. You may also notice we have larger joints at the axle connections with longer shanks for greater adjustabiliy.

Good Luck to all the competitors!

Rock Krawler Suspension

Shouldn't this just get added on to the last commercial that got moved?
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=693911&page=4

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

You are correct. This should be attached to the other thread! Is there anyway to move this stuff over?

Rock Krawler

You are correct. This should be attached to the other thread! Is there anyway to move this stuff over?

Rock Krawler

Since I've already moved the previous thread, and I'm not mod of the non-hardcore forum, my hands are tied.

I will move this over to the other forum, and notify Mo to merge the two.

Thanks, and have a nice day.

His wheel base is now at 97" which keeps this system perfectly legal for class two rigs.
Rock Krawler Suspension

I wouldn't bring it to the ASN that way.

From this thread
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676560&highlight=wheelbase


Wheel Base Specifications
OEM Type inches
Jeep:
CJ2a 80
DJ3 80
DJ5 & 6 100
CJ5 83.5
CJ6 to 71' 101
CJ6 72 up 104
CJ7 & YJ 93.4
CJ8 103
TJ std 93.4 + 3" = 96.4" not 97"
TJ lwb 103.4
JK 2dr 95.4
JK 4dr 116

To correct our last statement, Oz's wheel base is slightly inside of 97"! Right where it should be. We apologize for rounding off for the simplicity of conversation. There is still plenty of adjustment left as well since the new lower axle joints have a much longer shank than our older units.

We apologize for stating it is exactly 97". We were simply rounding for the point of converation. It is right where it should be. That is not a huge advantage from the factory wheel base and in some instances could be a hinderance. But for the most part it will give him a little more stability on the verts!

We apologize for stating it is exactly 97". We were simply rounding for the point of converation. It is right where it should be. That is not a huge advantage from the factory wheel base and in some instances could be a hinderance. But for the most part it will give him a little more stability on the verts!

no problem. It doesn't mater if it's an advantage or not. It is in violation of the rules for SM and could be a point of protest.

edit
just trying to help keep things on a level field.
p.s.
I'm bringing my Clayton equipped junk to play too.

In the pictures Oz posted. Is this part of the kit?
http://i339.photobucket.com/albums/n442/kd4yor/oznotch.jpg?t=1217286945

No, that F250 shock tower was done earlier. Also realize it has to go for WEROCK events after this season....I already discussed this with Big Rich. BTW, what gave you the inpression I was going to the All Stock Nationals ? I am actually trying to get ready to run the event at RC, not sure if I will make it or not.........I am having a lot of fun running RcRoc's....also, while I have a daily driver, this rig is built to be street legal here in PA and is run on the street quite often. It is not strictly a comp vehicle trailered to comps....

No, that F250 shock tower was done earlier. Also realize it has to go for WEROCK events after this season....I already discussed this with Big Rich. BTW, what gave you the inpression I was going to the All Stock Nationals ? I am actually trying to get ready to run the event at RC, not sure if I will make it or not.........I am having a lot of fun running RcRoc's....

cool, been there with that fight.
I got the idea you were trying for the ASN from this post


RK Susp., you may want to delete this thread and start over and just report the stupid posts as they come in instead of dignifying them with responses so the Mods can delete them. You guys are coming to the table with a product to support regional comps--that is rad and should be commended. I have seen Oz beat the daylights out of his rig--he may be a horrible driver, but his suspension seems to work well.

For the record, I am a converted Clayton fan. The square arms used to make me cringe when I saw them, but their KISS build technique made a believer out of me and the BEEF they build with earns respect. And for anyone that cannot use a tape measure maybe you should not be concerned with anything but bolt-on trinkets...

Lastly, in case Bboarder247 has not mentioned, the other rig he is tied with is running a Clayton Hard Arm kit, too, and intends to spank the rest of the field in September. Bring it, sukkas!

The last RcRocs comp in which I'm running is Sept. 13th....I am trying to get ready to run WEROCK Stock Mod this coming weekend at Rausch Creek, but with the tweeks to my jeep I need a longer front shock, and my preferred choice is on national back order.

Ok, finally time to update more on the build. I have the PSC Crusher Corners with 6" flare, because of where they bolt to the body, the inner part of the flare and the outer part of the wheel well it mounts to must be cut out for tire clearance....
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0566.jpg

Next on the list is the rear truss. The kit includes the weld in rear cradle (rear truss) and tie in plate. Since I'm running Solid D60's, this took a custom cradle and tie in plate made up by Rock krawler and tied into the top of the rear diff.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0563-1.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0594.jpg

The rear upper arms mount to the weld in rear cradle. The stretch is done on the rear with longer arms, so the stock fuel tank must go....In it's place donated by Genright (www.genright.com) is the RK COMP TJ/LJ Gas tank. This allows plenty of room for the axle to be moved back. The tank actually gives you the ability to stretch a Wrangler to over 103". You get the ability to move a D60 rear axle 8" in a wrangler. The tank also mounts without cutting the frame, allows the function of factory fuel sensors. For more info on this tank...http://www.genright.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=GST2006

Here's some pics of the tank being installed in my jeep.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0577.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0580.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0585.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0592.jpg

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0581.jpg

that fuel cell is a freakin rock anchor.....................sweet design:shaking:. if i were you id mount that bitch in the back behind the seats.:flipoff2:

Oz, you can borrow the Bilstein 16" travel shocks I have on my YJ for the comp this weekend if you need them. They are coil-over bodies without the springs on them. Shoot me a message if I can help.
Good luck.

BTW, backyard wrenchers, not everyone wants a cell in their Jeep and the Gen Right units give more clearance than stock and with the skid plate as beefy as it is rock just slide right over. Also, I am not sure, but in-vehicle cells may not be allowed in the class he is building for.

Pre stretch....

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/ozcagefinal003.jpg

With 3" Rock Krawler stretch...

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f268/Sahara01/DSCN0601-1.jpg

Oz, you can borrow the Bilstein 16" travel shocks I have on my YJ for the comp this weekend if you need them. They are coil-over bodies without the springs on them. Shoot me a message if I can help.
Good luck.

BTW, backyard wrenchers, not everyone wants a cell in their Jeep and the Gen Right units give more clearance than stock and with the skid plate as beefy as it is rock just slide right over. Also, I am not sure, but in-vehicle cells may not be allowed in the class he is building for.

PM sent...:D

Oz, you can borrow the Bilstein 16" travel shocks I have on my YJ for the comp this weekend if you need them. They are coil-over bodies without the springs on them. Shoot me a message if I can help.
Good luck.

BTW, backyard wrenchers, not everyone wants a cell in their Jeep and the Gen Right units give more clearance than stock and with the skid plate as beefy as it is rock just slide right over. Also, I am not sure, but in-vehicle cells may not be allowed in the class he is building for.



cells are allowed, and im just saying that if he is trying to build a comp truck id try move as much stuff out of the way to get as much advantage as possible.

We agree with the fuel cell, but that would make Oz's jeep so it is not street legal! Some day I am sure it will get there and he can simply move the Gen Right tank up into the bed of the TJ.

Its nice to see the Rock Krawler kits being used at the comps, i was more then happy with mine when I ran the first RcRocks event!

I think its worth mentioning (its its come up a LOT in the ASN threads) that your shock mounts are not legal in WeRock. Notching the frame will not pass tech, but since your only running this one event, it shouldn't matter. But if you want to run the ASN's, you'll need to change them.

I am running just this one event for now and have discussed everything with Big Rich.

Currently 7th place in Stock Mod after the 1st day.

Well, Rock Krawler installed the stretch suspension 2 weeks ago, last week the rig spent the week at Apple Hill 4x4 getting final preparations in hopes to meet tech requirements for WEROCK. The owner of Apple Hill and I finished bolting in my 5 pt. harness at 5pm Friday, I made it to the Ramada in time to register for Stock Mod class, was tech'd by Little Rich and drove home that evening. Drove down to Rausch Creek Saturday and competed, stored the rig in a sea container for the evening. Sunday went down to the park, pulled the rig out, ran for gas at the local gas station and came back to the park and competed. made the shootout and placed 6th in Stock Mod for the event.

Put the top, windshield and doors back on the jeep, aired up the tires and drove home.

Rock Krawlers Stretch Suspension is absolutely kick ass ! :flipoff2:

My rig performed very well at WEROCK. I actually was amazed for a 5000# rig running the courses how well it climbed and did in the off camber. I'm running Nitto Mud Terrains and the thing stuck like glue on the off camber stuff. I think the suspension that Rock Krawler is putting into the Comp Stretch kit is seriously kickass. I was able to climb like never before and like you guys know WEROCK puts you through some pretty hairy lines on their courses. Off camber the rig performed way better than it ever has, just friggin amazing. Only issue I had all weekend was ripping apart the rear diff breather line. I'd really like to see this on a rig lightened up for comp, I think they definately have a winning product here....

I also wanted to thank my buddy Chuck MacLellan of SOR4X4 for driving me up to Albany to pickup my rig and helping me get back and forth to Apple Hill. Never could have made this event without him carting my ass around :grinpimp:

Yeah, RockKrawler Susp., while I commend you for your kit, and getting it out in comp, you are wrong about the coilover rule. I know, we run airshocks all the way around on our stock mod rig. Is your rig running in the WERock Roush Creek event in August? Hope to see yall there, and good luck.

I was there. I was a high as 3rd place at one time on Sunday. Finished 6th in Stock Mod. 1st Pro event. :flipoff2:

last time i checked we gave you alot of bad reviews

last time i checked we gave you alot of bad reviews

Huh ? What are you talking about....gave me bad reviews, when and where ?

Congrats Oz

Congrats Oz


Thanks bro....gotta tell ya that was the most fun I've had in a long time. :D

Bump for a kickass suspension ! :flipoff2:

To All Pirate Members

We have finnally released our much antipated Competition kits for Class 2 competitors. We have the lift heights set at both 4" and 5.5". We are the only manufacturer offering a full two year warranty on all hard parts for Competition use and we have a contigency program set up for RC ROCKS which we will also honor for WE Rock competitors and WE Rock Competitions. We are open to cross promotional proposals for these great systems as well. The Competition Systems can be purchased in ala carte fashion to meet your needs. The wheel base is stretched to 3" to maximize what the rules will allow for Class 2 Competitors.

Here is a link to the 4" System -

http://www.rockkrawler.com/pages/catalog/index.php?r_itemID=30

Here is a link to the 5.5" System -

http://www.rockkrawler.com/pages/catalog/index.php?r_itemID=29

If anyone has any questions please let us know......

Respectfully,

Rock Krawler

To All Competitors

We are looking forward to a great 2009 Season. We wish you all the best! Remember to have fun out there.

Rock Krawler