Hello Everyone;

I was wondering, and I know that this could be a flame, but I do need some help, so keep your answers respectable. I'm 15, and I can drive in December, so I was wondering, what is the best type of 4x4 vehicle for me? It would absolutely have to be a manual/standard trannny, and a stick for the T-case. Just so you guys know: Dad swears by Dodge; I love how the Jeep Wrangler looks, I like how the Jeep is renowned for performance off-road; I like the reliability of the Toyota Pickup. No offence to anyone, but I hate Ford. So, if you all could try to help this newbie, I'd be much appreciative. FYI: I want a 4x4 that can be modified immensely (lifted, tired, lighted galore, though no chrome it sucks!). And remember, money is of the essence, I don't have much, and don't make much to add!

Sorry about the length, but I had to get my point across.

PS: I like the idea of a computer help forum, I'd be the first one there to try to lend a hand.

Rick

Well being strapped for cash and wanting something that is gonna live i say a 84-85 Toy pickup.

4cyl YJ would be nice too but the axles suck.

TOYOTA = LONG LASTING DURABLE, EXPENIVE PARTS

JEEP = FUN, NOT SO LONG LASTING, CHEAP PARTS

FORD = CHEAP PARTS

CHEVY = UH, DONT GO THERE

SAMURI = FUN, TONS PARTS, FAIRLY INEXPENSIVE

SCOUT = UGLY AS HELL

DODGE = BIG WASTE


I SAY LOOK FOR AN EARLY 80'S TOYO PU

what scoutdude said. i would look into a straight axled toyota pickup (pre-86). they have got to be one of the toughest little machines and easy as all hell to modify.

email me, id like to chat with you about this topic some more.

adam@pirate4x4.com

good luck!

An older toy truck is a good RELIABLE idea. Get one with the 22R, great motor. An '85 would be ideal, solid axle and fuel injection.

Jeeps are ok to. YJs are easily modified. I hate the grille, but they have fully boxed galvanized frames and tubs. Solid axles. Leaf springs.

Scouts are VERY cheap. It's not too rare to see a V8 Scout with decent axles and body for $1000. They're just REALLY old.

Samurais are also VERY inexpensive. Light. Easy to haul around. Fuel injected. Great upgrades available also. Rollover hazard, but what isn't.

Landcruisers, SWEET but very expensive. EVERYTHING is expensive with them.

I know many will disagree, but if I were looking, I'd stay away from full size rigs (Blazers, Broncos (EBs are also expensive), Wagoneers, etc.).

Good luck. ~dso

You can't beat a Samurai for a beginner vehicle. They are tough as nails, cheap to buy and to build.
You can get as many parts for them as you can a jeep.
And if you tear it up, just throw it away and get another one:)
Check these out: www.petroworks.com
www.calmini.com

I was thinking Sami as i read through your post.
They are pretty good off-road with minor mods, and it should be easy to find an older one that might be a little beat up, but will definitely be cheap.

What part of Ontario are you in?

after a recent trip to tellico i would have to agree that if i were starting out, i would go with a sammy. psf4x4 gave that little beotch of his hell and it kept going. find a set of dana 44's for it with lower gears and have fun.

ROFLMAO :nuke:

Originally posted by Scout Dude


And this coming from a guy who drives this::rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Ok guys: So far what I've gathered is No full sizers (no problem there, I don't like their Miles Per Gallon anyways). No chevys, and I live in Southern Ontario, Near London.

Rick

it depends on what kind of $$$ you can swing. if you don't have much but enough i would start wiht an old 2wd 3/4ton and use it as your tow rig. then buy a sami to be your toy. i have found running sami's for less than $1k so you could have a rig to tow with and drive daily and you could go out and bash the little sami and not have to worry about getting to school on monday:p

Well seeing how you hate FORD..... i say go with the cheepest junk out there

sami

Welcome to 4wheeling. I have to say the sami is the best bang for the buck in stock form. Parts are everywhere. I would try to find one fuel injected. Toyotas are great but parts are hard to find and expensive. Keep it simple and save your money for those big tires and buy a used winch, dosent have to be a big one just 6000lbs. Good luck!
Dan

Like the others said earlier, go for a Sammy
Perfect beginner vehicles, cheap and tough as hell. I've seen Sammy doing things I'd dare to do in a full size tank.

Originally posted by richwurm
and I live in Southern Ontario, Near London.

Rick Hey, a local guy! I know of a few Sammi's and older Toy's that are for sale in the area. Email me if you want some more info.

Tass

Originally posted by Tass
Hey, a local guy! I know of a few Sammi's and older Toy's that are for sale in the area. Email me if you want some more info.

Tass

Maybe we'll have a Southern Ontario Pirate trail there eh Tass??? :D :D :D

get an early bronco... perfect size... very easily upgradable... top comes off... just a great truck

I don't want to beat it to death, but the Sami's horsepower and torque don't seem to be a whole lot...and more information? From what I've seen its 83 hp@3600 RPM or something like that...

RIck

Tass: What's your e-mail address?

Originally posted by richwurm
I don't want to beat it to death, but the Sami's horsepower and torque don't seem to be a whole lot...and more information? From what I've seen its 83 hp@3600 RPM or something like that...

RIck

Tass: What's your e-mail address?


Samis suck in the HP department, there´s no denying that. However, with the right gears, even the stock motor and tranny can supply more than enough torque for most every application. And a quick and cheap swap to a 1.6 out of a Vitara will give a tremendous boost in performance...

Solid axle yotas are reliable and are extremely easy to modify.
They can be found for around $1000 or even cheaper

Originally posted by joes75bronco
get an early bronco... perfect size... very easily upgradable... top comes off... just a great truck

Awsome truck... but for a 15 year old? I think its gonna geta litle expensive.

Toyota all the way. really easy to find the parts you want and they are pretty cheap. I bought my Toyota pickup when i was 16 but i made the mistake of buying a 79. Why you ask? 20R and 4 speed. Get a 84-85 pickup. Some times you can find pretty good wheelers in the for sale section for cheap. I saw a 89 toyota soild axle with coils in front for like $3200. Well good luck.

Tass: What's your e-mail address?
Hit the e-mail button under his post.