I have been searching around for a week or so and cant decide what direction I should go with my samurai carb. The stock carb is a pos that likes to high idle forever, sputter, and then decide to all of a sudden run mint so it has to go. Other then the carb the motor seems tight so I dont really want to go the motor swap option

I know some of you have tried everything to pep up this lil motors so I if you were to do it again what direction would you go?

Specs:
1.6 8 valve
DT header
2" exhaust

6.5s
toy 4.10s
33's maybe 35s in the near future

Some options I have found

Samurai guy kit (I know he has been MIA so this probably isnt a option)
MYside HD carb kit (I was thinking the 44mm carb would be cool and the setup looks nice and simple)
stock efi but it would be nice to not have a computer
petroworks motorcycle carb kit

I will be going MYSide in the future. seems like everyone has great luck with that kit, and it is nice and simple.

Do the GSXR kit! Gekocycles has an amazing setup and can't wait to run it. A really cool and knowledgeable kat too!

search the geckocycles he had a few picks up from this kit. that is the way i would go. no computer, one carb for each cylinder so you can tune the hell out of it. and it should be fairly easy to set up the plumbing. not sure of the cost but it loks like what i would do when i step up to the 1.6 motor.

1.6 8v? Did the original owner swap a carb onto it? Are you sure its not the 1.3L?

I honestly would run the TBI setup. Its so simple and doesnt really fail unless you wash your vehicle. I have never had an issue with its reliability.

Nolan ran a 1.6 fuely in his samurai for about four or five trail runs. He would smoke 37" boggers with 5.29s and 4:1 t-case sitting at the lights. He loved it but wanted more power so he went with 22re.

He still can get wiring harness that has all the wires taped and marked for very,very install.

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efi was a thought but I like the nice simple carb setup with no computer etc... Reviews on the hd carb setup were better throttle response then efi but i have never seen one in person

plus its kinda cool to try something a little different :D

alebeda on bc4x4 has the setup on his 1.3L. It took alot of tuning from what I understand but is running good now.

alebeda on bc4x4 has the setup on his 1.3L. It took alot of tuning from what I understand but is running good now.

Sjx has a 1.6 16valve for sale that I might pick up. I can either do the Harley carb swap or just run the efi

i'd rather have the fuel injection/computer than any carb. if you want more power, you can put a 4.3L in there for prolly the same price as that 44mm myside kit.

i'd rather have the fuel injection/computer than any carb. if you want more power, you can put a 4.3L in there for prolly the same price as that 44mm myside kit.
true enough. Im running a 4.3 in my buggy but for some reason I want to keep a suzuki engine in here. I think ill try the efi before I do anything (it comes with the TT harness etc..)

Ever thought about a Redline / Weber carb ?
Kit # K600 for maintaining stock air filter assy. or kit # K601 with aftermarket chrome air filter. Your Bro's sponsor has access to these. PM me for more info. Here's a generic pic of a downdraft kit:
380602

They are about $390 when I searched the net. You get adapter plate, new linkage, gaskets, hardware, etc....

Super reliable brand new carb, but I'm unsure if this can pass Air Care......

Ever thought about a Redline / Weber carb ?
Kit # K600 for maintaining stock air filter assy. or kit # K601 with aftermarket chrome air filter. Your Bro's sponsor has access to these. PM me for more info. Here's a generic pic of a downdraft kit:
380602

They are about $390 when I searched the net. You get adapter plate, new linkage, gaskets, hardware, etc....

Super reliable brand new carb, but I'm unsure if this can pass Air Care......How finicky are they? Will it run on an angle?

Pretty easy to tune, no where near as finicky as the Aisin carb that comes factory on your Zook. As for running on an angle, I'm pretty sure most carbs will tend to starve the engine of fuel because the float loses it's position on incline or decline.

Pretty easy to tune, no where near as finicky as the Aisin carb that comes factory on your Zook. As for running on an angle, I'm pretty sure most carbs will tend to starve the engine of fuel because the float loses it's position on incline or decline.Thats why i was leaning towards the Harley or gsxr carbs. Im probably going to try the efi 16 valve and sell my 1.6 8 valve

why not run propane?

imo propane is just a pain in the ass for a DD. If it was trail only i would be consider it. Got propane makes a nice kit :)

stock FI is the way to go

Ive got the weber on mine and its a good setup with good power and throttle response but it does like to overflow fairly easilly. I still believe that the stock injection is superior and is one of the most simple fi setups there is

imo propane is just a pain in the ass for a DD. If it was trail only i would be consider it. Got propane makes a nice kit :)

Propane is easily the best thing I've done to my sammy. I'm running the same setup as you (1.6 8V) and used a propane kit I pieced together to replace a weber setup, Runs 10 times better at any angle. I know in GA you just have to get a LP Cert to run Propane, not sure how hard it is in Canada, but I bet it's worth it. I've got about $500 in my whole setup from piecing my parts together, and that includes 2 8 gallon tanks.

Up here where it gets cold in the winter, propane is a PITA. Our little Dihatsu shop carts have to sleep inside just so they start in the cold weather.

I have an '86 Sammy with a 1.6 in it. I bought a 34/34 Weber and it seems like a lot of carb for the engine. It was running very rich at first, but some tweeking and adjusting the choke made it better, but mileage is bad. My odometer is off because of the 32" tires, but it seems like I run a lot of gas through it. At full throttle like up a long hill on the road, the engine can't use all the gas dumped into it so it just goes out the back. If I had to do it again (I would if I had the money) I would find an injector or TB set up. No float issues, no rich/lean, no choke problems, and it's made for THAT application.


Dan

Sjx has a 1.6 16valve for sale that I might pick up. I can either do the Harley carb swap or just run the efi

If you get a 16v, you can use a manifoild from swift 1.6 16v that is TBI. It would be easy adapting a harley carb or a propane setup to this. only problem is to get timing advance. Or you can make an intake for gsxr carbs, it is really simple. As for the other setups, getting timing advance is the hard part. I just made a dist.housing from some scrap metal so I could use the 1.3 dist.

So going to a 16v doesnt reduce your options. I`ve had weber and TBI before, and gsxr`s was an upgrade

If you get a 16v, you can use a manifoild from swift 1.6 16v that is TBI. It would be easy adapting a harley carb or a propane setup to this. only problem is to get timing advance. Or you can make an intake for gsxr carbs, it is really simple. As for the other setups, getting timing advance is the hard part. I just made a dist.housing from some scrap metal so I could use the 1.3 dist.

So going to a 16v doesnt reduce your options. I`ve had weber and TBI before, and gsxr`s was an upgradethe gsxr setup looks :smokin:
Im going to try the stock efi on the 16 valve and see if we are happy. The guy I am getting the motor off loved it in his sammy

16V has nice high RPM Torque and HP, but low RPM torque sucks compared to the 8V 1.6L. The Gecko system rocks as far as I can tell. Constant velocity carbs are great for feeding the engine the proper fuel air mixture and the engine will draw what it needs. You don't wash the cylinder walls down with a propperly jetted CV carburator.

Multi-point injection is the way to go if you get the 16V 1.6L engine. Running the 16V and EFI, you need to be sure your header has a place for the 02 sensor. (I assume you're running a header with a 2 inch exhaust) better still, just keep the exhaust manifold that the 16V comes with.

Ya it looks like im going to sell the DT header from the 8 valve and run the stock mani from the 16 valve. This truck will be more of a DD/mild trail rig so the the higher end of the motor should be what i need. The 6.5's should make up for it on trails :smokin:

some of the toy's i wheel with are the older 22r and are running the webber carb. they run it back wards to held with the flooding. they work well but i think the gsxr kit is the way to go. side draft will work up side down if it needs to.

side draft will work up side down if it needs to.

it's a good idea to turn your engine off if it is upside down.

I just took my sami out for the first time, if I even hit a bump my engine would flood. I have a webber carb. I got lucky, and a guy that wheels where I was at a lot has two samurai's and is a mechanic. I asked him for a recomendation and he said to go with a stock carb. Then he took his 98% stock samurai stait up a hill that was fairly steep. The 2% non stock part of this setup is that he was running it as a daily driver with a hydrogen hybrid kit that he made himself. I'm probably going to run the same setup on my spoa on 32s with 5.13 gears in the diffs and see how it works...

What do you guys think about that?

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I just took my sami out for the first time, if I even hit a bump my engine would flood. I have a webber carb. I got lucky, and a guy that wheels where I was at a lot has two samurai's and is a mechanic. I asked him for a recomendation and he said to go with a stock carb. Then he took his 98% stock samurai stait up a hill that was fairly steep. The 2% non stock part of this setup is that he was running it as a daily driver with a hydrogen hybrid kit that he made himself. I'm probably going to run the same setup on my spoa on 32s with 5.13 gears in the diffs and see how it works...

What do you guys think about that?

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Does that stuff really work?

I would say yes. I have done a ton of research on it and I know that about 10 years ago someone drove from la to ny with something like 20 gallons of water. Dude died of food poisoning like 5 days later... any way, he said he is getting about 40 mph and that the kit is giving him about 10 more hp. I'm going to try it most likely.

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the second law of thermodynamics applies... in the case of electrolysis of water, which is then combusted back to water, the net gibbs free energy is positive. that means it is not spontaneous, and requires energy input.

being an isentropic process, it is possible to lean the HC fuel mixture, then use the excess heat generated as an external source to change the enthalpy of the system. i still don't think there is enough energy there to propel a car beyond the energy potential of the actual hydrocarbon fuel. running a car on water is against the laws that govern our universe.

yes what you said is 100% true. But... I'm not trying to run the sami completely off of hydrogen. I am going to supplement the fuel by using the energy off of the altenator to create hydrogen. Feed in hydrogen along with the gas to use less gas. On top of that hydrogen by nature has less friction than gas as well, freeing up more horse power. It also helps in the combustion process as well. It works, I have seen it on multiple zukes, both of which went from about 20mpg gallon to 30 mpg, I even saw a sami that was getting 50 mpg.

With that said. That wasn't what I was asking for peoples thoughts on. I wanted to know peoples thoughts on going from a webber carb back to a stock carb for off road reliability purposes.

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