Vertical Mill - what in this pile goes with the machine?

[Murph]

I'm picking up a Fray h/v mill (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=695230&highlight=fray) tomorrow, and there's a cart of stuff that sits between the mill and an old Hendey lathe. Is there anything in these pics that belongs to the mill? Is the quill supposed to seem "empty"? It's got the splines on the outside, and there appears to be nothing in the middle. The drawbar wrench is what I'm most interested in.

The last pic - the one of the stuff in the cardboard box is what I've already have with me.


Andy

[Realsquash]

I believe that the stuff in the top of that cart is all for a lathe. Chuck jaws, chuck key, tailstock centers, cutting tools and holders, looks like a multiple adjustable carriage stop, all lathe stuff. The bottom of the cart is raw material, which should always be thrown in :)

Andy

[Wicked_S10]

The bottom of the cart, left to rear right corner looks to be a draw bar. Looks like a long as bolt with a weird head. Lower right corner of the same picture is a boring bar head, likely for the mill as well.

The third picture, top of the box are a row of collets, could be for the lathe or mill. Bellow them is a shell mill arbor with a weldon shank, presumably for a mill, and a EM holder and a loose EM of some sort, again, probably for the mill. All of the cutters and the two long pieces with tapers on the end are likely for a horizontal mill. The saws and large cutters can be used in a big vertical mill, but the arbors there indicate that they are for a horizontal. Right front corner of the box is a bullnose center for a lathe.

I agree that the stuff in the top of the car all appears to go with a lathe of some sort. I would just try to get as much as they will let go, and clean up and sell off what you cannot use...

Later,
Jason

[Wicked_S10]

I just saw your original post with a picture of the machine. That hole in the column of the machine is likely for horizontal milling, in which case, it is likely that the long arbors and other cutters are for this machine. There should be a support arm that is not in your pictures. It supports the outboard end of the arbor when it is placed in the horizontal milling spindle.

*edit* and the collets are probably for it as well, as the tool holder in the spindle looks like a collet chuck of some sort.

[jnutter]

Looks like there is a collet holder with a B&S or MT shank in the top picture, lower left. See if it fits either spindle, or if there's female threads in the end for a draw bar. If it fits, grab it and anything else with that taper. That might be some kind of lathe center, but I don't see a tang on it.

Did you buy the Hendey too?

My advice is to buy both and take everything :)

[Murph]

I just saw your original post with a picture of the machine. That hole in the column of the machine is likely for horizontal milling, in which case, it is likely that the long arbors and other cutters are for this machine. There should be a support arm that is not in your pictures. It supports the outboard end of the arbor when it is placed in the horizontal milling spindle.

*edit* and the collets are probably for it as well, as the tool holder in the spindle looks like a collet chuck of some sort.


In the second pic of that other thread, look at the back left of the turret, you can see part of a triangle. That's the support for the horizontal arbor, that's why I grabbed the parts I did. Turns out the machine's not a 2MT, but NMTB30.

I'm going to see what else I can grab tomorrow, but don't know how much I'll be able.

That long bolt looks way too big to fit down the center of the quill. Again, one more thing to check tomorrow.


Looks like there is a collet holder with a B&S or MT shank in the top picture, lower left. See if it fits either spindle, or if there's female threads in the end for a draw bar. If it fits, grab it and anything else with that taper. That might be some kind of lathe center, but I don't see a tang on it.


I'll see about that stuff, but I'm not holding my breath.



Did you buy the Hendey too?

My advice is to buy both and take everything :)

How comfy is your couch? :confused: If I get the lathe too, there's no fawkin way my wife wouldn't kick me out :laughing: I just checked CL, and the listing is gone. They were getting rid of this mill, a Hendey 14xsomething lathe and a Bickford radial drill.


When I finally get it home, I'll take more pics of the machine itself. The horizontal quill needs to be looked at, when it's powered up, I can stop it by hand. I'm hoping the belt is shot.



Andy

[Wicked_S10]

In the second pic of that other thread, look at the back left of the turret, you can see part of a triangle. That's the support for the horizontal arbor, that's why I grabbed the parts I did. Turns out the machine's not a 2MT, but NMTB30.

Yup, I see it now.

NMTB30 can be a bit of a bastard. Definitely get those collets, they will be expensive to replace, and it is likely going to be your best option for tool holding for a while since the collet chuck appears to be in the spindle. 30 taper is still widely available, but it is quite a bit more expensive than some tapers. I just went through this buying tooling for my BP CNC with a 30 taper spindle.

NMTB30 can also be a quick change variant that takes no draw bar, so it is possible that the machine truly does not have a draw bar. If there is a collar holding the chuck into the spindle, it is likely one of the QC variants. My mills spindles is not even drilled through for a draw bar.

Later,
Jason

[Wicked_S10]

The last pic - the one of the stuff in the cardboard box is what I've already have with me.


Doh! I need to learn to read. I guess I can quit telling you to get that stuff!

[Murph]

NMTB30 can also be a quick change variant that takes no draw bar, so it is possible that the machine truly does not have a draw bar. If there is a collar holding the chuck into the spindle, it is likely one of the QC variants. My mills spindles is not even drilled through for a draw bar.

Later,
Jason


There's a collet and EM in the machine, and it looks to be setup just like my 1/2" router - there are threads visible, then the EM inside a collet, and a threaded collar holding that. So I'm probably not going to find a DB or DB wrench...Cool....

Doh! I need to learn to read. I guess I can quit telling you to get that stuff!

:laughing: :flipoff2:


There look to be three collets missing from the set, but one's in the machine and the other two I left sitting on the lathe...:shaking: So the set is really complete. But in all honesty, unless I find I have real talent at this, the collets are probably all I'm going to need/use. I do want to get a drill chuck for the machine, but that's all I can see a need for now. From what I've found, just about every size EM (at least what I can see myself using) is available in shank sizes of 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 or 1"


Andy

[jayhahn]

Hi Andy, decided I better join so I can post Fray stuff also.
Jason it sounds like you are refferring to the Cat 30 style taper. These were not offered by Fray and to machine the spindle to accept this style would be redundant in my estimation.

[Murph]

Hi Andy, decided I better join so I can post Fray stuff also.
Jason it sounds like you are refferring to the Cat 30 style taper. These were not offered by Fray and to machine the spindle to accept this style would be redundant in my estimation.

Jay -

The Pirate salute... :flipoff2: :laughing:


I should have the machine in my posession in about 4 hours <crossing fingers> and will post pics of the quill and vertical spindle.


Andy

edit - forgot to post this...Thanks Jay!

[Murph]

:grinpimp:

More pics later, I have to get the junk off the driveway and back into the garage :(

[Murph]

Found the drawbar for the horizontal arbors, as well as a crack in the horizontal arbor support...

The quill in relation to a pencil, and what is currently in the quil.

Oh, and it turns out the vertical motor is 1.5 HP. not 1.


Andy

[Murph]

Yup, I see it now.

NMTB30 can be a bit of a bastard. Definitely get those collets, they will be expensive to replace, and it is likely going to be your best option for tool holding for a while since the collet chuck appears to be in the spindle. 30 taper is still widely available, but it is quite a bit more expensive than some tapers. I just went through this buying tooling for my BP CNC with a 30 taper spindle.

NMTB30 can also be a quick change variant that takes no draw bar, so it is possible that the machine truly does not have a draw bar. If there is a collar holding the chuck into the spindle, it is likely one of the QC variants. My mills spindles is not even drilled through for a draw bar.

Later,
Jason


No QC stuff here...Spent an hour and made up a drawbar wrench and bam, look what popped out of the spindle. Defintely NMTB30.

And thanks for the pics of the RPC!

Andy