Couple questions and concerns I have about upgrading my 96 PSD.

I bought this truck new and the only engine upgrades I've done to it so far are the exhaust 4" and replaced the down pipe, plus installed a K&N.

I'm in the market for performance mods now.

I'm seriously considering the Banks power system for several reasons.

1. They offer a complete kit, inter-cooler (none on the 96 PSD oem) turbo housing for better flow, chip, TRANSMISSION CHIP (very important to me) and all the necessary mounting hardware.

2. I could care less about burning my fawking tires off so a chip like that does not impress me at all, I just want to increase my towing power by about 100 HP and not damage or hurt my reliability what so ever.

3. No one has ever said what's so bad about the Banks system except get your wallet out:shaking: if it's a great reliable product that won't over stress my truck then I'll pay for that.

4. Who else offers all the components I need that will work together?

5. I don't want to go here for this part there for that part and piece shit together.

6. I have a friend that has this system on hie 96 PSD that has over 200K on it. he's never had any issues with it and has been very happy with the Banks performance mods over the years he's had it.

7. I've got other friends running stuff like the Edge and have had nothing but problems with them.

Any other solutions for a package out there as complete as the Banks? Why is the Banks not recommended compared to the others? What's so really bad about it? Hard data would be nice to back it up as well.

..........plus installed a K&N. GET RID OF THE K&N!!!! They don't belong on diesels.


1. They do offer a complete package. +1

2. 75hp at the wheels is the largest increase you will get with stock AA code injectors, period. THere is just no more fuel to burn after that.

3. THere really is nothing bad about BAnk's, except for the $$$ paid per HP gained.

4. www.performanceinjectionsystems.com

5. see #4

If you are more after towing power, a chip, intercooler and trans upgrades should be all you need. oh, AND GAUGES!!!! If EGT's are still a little high, concider a hybrid stock turbo. With compressor mods done you can add 30% more airflow.

Good Luck.

DP-Tuner.Com Just buy a chip from him. He knows what he's doing.

I have injectors from PIS aswell and a banks 1.0 housing. My truck is fast

The main thing is the intercooler. There are other ones out there besides banks. If you search thedieselstop.com or powrstrokenation.com you'll find info on them. I haven't been looking at the diesel stop lately.


:mr-t:

..........plus installed a K&N. GET RID OF THE K&N!!!! They don't belong on diesels.


1. They do offer a complete package. +1

2. 75hp at the wheels is the largest increase you will get with stock AA code injectors, period. THere is just no more fuel to burn after that.

3. THere really is nothing bad about BAnk's, except for the $$$ paid per HP gained.

4. www.performanceinjectionsystems.com

5. see #4

If you are more after towing power, a chip, intercooler and trans upgrades should be all you need. oh, AND GAUGES!!!! If EGT's are still a little high, concider a hybrid stock turbo. With compressor mods done you can add 30% more airflow.

Good Luck.

Gauges come in the Banks kit as well as a modded turbo housing. I don't want to change out the injectors if I don't need to. I'm really looking for about a 80+ HP gain but reliable.

What kind of auto trans upgrades are you talking about and by who's upgrade parts or programing?



DP-Tuner.Com Just buy a chip from him. He knows what he's doing.

I have injectors from PIS aswell and a banks 1.0 housing. My truck is fast

The main thing is the intercooler. There are other ones out there besides banks. If you search thedieselstop.com or powrstrokenation.com you'll find info on them. I haven't been looking at the diesel stop lately.


:mr-t:

Like I said above list a company that puts together a package kit, I don't want to have to piece this together from several different suppliers. I don't really know how buying from everyone would end up saving me money. If you added up all the parts in the Banks kit it'd probably come out around the same. Intercoolers aren't cheap from what I've found.

I don't have quite enough experience with tuning a diesel as far as using after market parts & mods goes.

If I change out my injectors, that will happen at a much later date. I just removed them last year and had them checked and cleaned - came back with a clean bill of health.

Step one.... Gauges.

www.itpdiesel.com has gauge packages, and will even send you paint to match the piller pod to your OBS color. I would get the Dipricol Optix gauges that match your factory gauges PERFECT! It comes in a nice kit all bundled with wire that is marked for it's location...

Step two.... Intake. GET RID OF THE K&N!!!!!! Build your own intake like the Tymer intake. NAPA #6637 and a hose clamp. TAke out the factory airbox and putthe new "Tymer" intake in place. Done For about $50 and just as good as all the factory boxes.

Step Three... Exhaust. you're done with that!!! The downpipe on the OBS is the killer.

Step Four... Call DP-Tuner http://www.dp-tuner.com/ and have a F-5 Chip made for YOUR!!!! Truck! Not a silly box from banks that has no idea about what mods YOUR!!!! Truck has! He will custom write the tunes for your rig.

Now yo ucan start upgradeing other stufff...


Find a factory 6.0 intercooler and purchase it... I have seen some for around $200 used and they are a great upgrade for even the PSD, but would be Perfect for your OBS!!!


Take your time and do it correct, Blowing a bunch of money on a "Kit" from banks is Mickey Mouse. If you want to do it correct then this is the way to go in my mind.

As far as your turbo goes, I would do the mods and see if you get any Turbo Surge. Then decide on a housing for it.

I hear you on the kit deal, as the parts are designed to work together, and you'll have one source to call for technical help if needed. And, since you won't need the exhaust, you'll save some money. The only downside about Banks is the cost, as they are proud of their stuff. But, the intercooler is designed to fit your rig, not a 6.0L. And the whole setup is at your door in one shot, no guess work or waiting for different companies to send out stuff.

Does the Banks kit come with a new air filter setup? Not just the drop in replacement. Last I looked, it didn't. I'd go with an AFE Dry Flow 7 intake, on top of the Banks parts. The Tymar intake, IMO, is hokey. Sure it's simple and cheap, but it's simple and cheap. It looks like uncle Zeke came over and hooked you up :shaking:. Plus, you'll always be changing the filter. With the AFE, just shake it out, wash it, let it dry and put it back in.

I'm in the same boat as you. My 97' is all stock, except for AutoMeter Trans, Pyro and Boost guages, and I don't want a bunch of different parts to reach the same goal. Banks tests all their components and offer real world numbers for every one. They might be expensive, but they have been doing business for a while longer than the "me too" companies that popped up when diesels got cool. My .0002 cents.

Another vote to remove the K&N!

Another vote to remove the K&N!

GET RID OF THE K&N!!!! They don't belong on diesels.


Step two.... Intake. GET RID OF THE K&N!!!!!!

Can someone elaborate on this?? I'm a newb to diesels and this is the first I've heard not to run a K&N on them. Why OK for gassers but not diesels? :confused:

Can someone elaborate on this?? I'm a newb to diesels and this is the first I've heard not to run a K&N on them. Why OK for gassers but not diesels? :confused:
K&Ns have oil on them, nasty dirty oil on your turbo compressor and in your engine isn't good thing. There are problems with using them on gassers too, usually fouling MAFs. I wouldn't run a K&N on anything I own if it was given to me.

Banks tests all their components and offer real world numbers for every one. They might be expensive, but they have been doing business for a while longer than the "me too" companies that popped up when diesels got cool. My .0002 cents.


All the guys winning drags, and tractor pulls, and races are running banks then right?

:shaking:

All the guys winning drags, and tractor pulls, and races are running banks then right?

:shaking:

I was refering to dyno tests in a controlled enviornment and "real world" tests, like towing a monster trailer down the interstate or long term mileage/performance testing.

And yes, you are right. Banks has the FIA certified, world's fastest diesel powered truck, their Dodge Dakota "Sidewinder", that went 217.306 mph in a two way flying mile. AND, the twin-turbo, Duramax(also called Sidewinder)drag racing truck that went 7.89 @173.51 mph in Las Vegas. This makes the Banks truck the quickest and fastest diesel powered drag truck in the world. And don't forget the parts they made to bring lowly engines, like the 6.9 Navistar, 6.2/6.5 GM and 80's smog gas engines, alive and work for their owners.

I'm fully aware of other companies, like TS performance, Bully Dog, Edge, DR performance.........., who make(in theory) quality products, but they make their own, special niche parts within the whole truck. The author of the thread wanted drawbacks for a whole kit for his truck, and they were listed.
Now, you can get an intake from here, a chip from there, a converter from here.....but that's not what he wanted. It could be cheaper to piece meal the whole thing, but the completeness and simpleness of the Banks kit is what he was looking for.

All the guys winning drags, and tractor pulls, and races are running banks then right?

:shaking:

As I stated above, I don't give a rats ass about who out performs who. I'm not building a hot rod diesel that I take to the strip on the weekends knowhatImean? You haven't said anything about upgrading my trans either. I'm not interested in hacking a 6.0 intercooler on my rig either - I want the right parts period.

I've heard not to run a K&N and I was going to ask why not - answered above... Thanks.

K&Ns have oil on them, nasty dirty oil on your turbo compressor and in your engine isn't good thing. There are problems with using them on gassers too, usually fouling MAFs. I wouldn't run a K&N on anything I own if it was given to me.



You are a dumbass in the truest sense of the word. The fact that is an oiled filter doesn't mean jack shit. What do you think the AFE filter media is? How do you think that the factory crank case vent is setup? All those oil vapors go right back into the intake to get burned off. The minute amount of oil from the K&N won't do anything. The issue with gas trucks getting the MAF gummed up is correct though.

The problem with K&N is that it uses a gauze media for filtering. If you hold it up to the light you'll see many small pin holes which let dirt through. On a naturally aspriated engine the intake veocities aren't high enough to force dirt past the filter, but on a turbo charged application they are. Running an K&N for a prolonged period of time on a diesel is almost a guaranteed dusted engine.

Ok, I see he wants a "kit"

I Just have a hard time paying double the money for shit that is going to do less then what I can put togeather.



Don't forget to put your banks sticker under the powerstroke badge when your done!!! That should add some power!! :flipoff2:

Report back with what you do, I am wondering about the intercooler install.

world's fastest diesel powered truck,


Oh, and that is easy when your the only people running in the "TRUCK" class!

ANd the silly drag truck I have watched blow up twice now. Just google that turd and I am sure you can find some Ka Boom videos.

Ok, I see he wants a "kit"

I Just have a hard time paying double the money for shit that is going to do less then what I can put togeather.



Don't forget to put your banks sticker under the powerstroke badge when your done!!! That should add some power!! :flipoff2:

Report back with what you do, I am wondering about the intercooler install.

Oh, and that is easy when your the only people running in the "TRUCK" class!

ANd the silly drag truck I have watched blow up twice now. Just google that turd and I am sure you can find some Ka Boom videos.

You are without a doubt a complete dumbass:shaking:

I stated in the beginning I want a complete kit or did you just see "Banks" and get all butt hurt?

I don't stick any vendor decals on my DD or my Rockcrawler that advertises their company name unless they pay me for that.

If you think I will be paying double the money for a Banks kit then prove me wrong. And I mean ALL the components that are offered in their kit that work together. I will not hack crap into my rig i.e. 6.0 intercooler.

If the 6.0 intercooler was so great, why are people upgrading them?

What's wrong with the Banks intercooler install? This system in my friends 96 PSD looks like it belonged there and he never mentioned anything pissy about installing it?

Why are you such a Banks hater? Usually people defend the pioneers of after market quality products... meh

You haven't answered any of my questions about a tranny programmer that works with your pieced together parts.

I know several people who blow their PSD's up one 7.3 and two 6.0's. They all ran pieced together parts (NOT BANKS) and over stressed their engines. If this is your gig then more power to you.

Next time you post in this thread put together an intelligent response - I'm looking for tech not your asshaterey get it.

so it seems your already set on the banks kit, so buy the god damn "kit" and put it on then.

just come buy my truck. Old body style Ford, custom 2001 intercooler, Beans injectors, beans electronic fuel system, Tony Wildman chip, etc.

http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/trucks/56817-1994-powerstroke-5-speed-7000-upgrades-rebuilds.html

Banks tests all their components and offer real world numbers for every one. They might be expensive, but they have been doing business for a while longer than the "me too" companies that popped up when diesels got cool. My .0002 cents.

Banks was NOT the first in diesel performance. By many standards Banks IS a "me too" company.

Their real world numbers are inherently skewed for marketing to people who don't want to do their own research or their own math.

Gale Banks is an arrogant Asshole! His race team is the only redeeming part of his business, and that's just the guys that work on the team, not the owner or even the engineers.

I have had a lot of experience with the Banks engineers and sales staff, and very little of it was good.

The OP sounds like he has his mind set on Banks. Buy Banks if that's what you want. You can get more, for less elsewhere. If you live near a shop that specialized in diesel performance, not just truck performance and bolt on crap, I would recommend going there. Just because you don't want to roast the tires does not mean you don't need a performance shop.

Companies libke ITP diesel, Diesel Innovations, DP-Tuner, Wide Open Diesel, Elite Diesel, Black Widow Diesel, and the Diesel Site are all smaller shops that STILL spend time on developing and supporting products for the 7.3L powerstroke. Banks gave up on the 7.3L a while ago.

The lead engineer, and several sales people from Banks told me directly that the 7.3L is a dead platform and as such they will not be putting anymore time or money into any products for it. They also suggested that I really needed to sell my F350 and buy a brand new chevy or GMC with a duramax. One of the idiot sales people then proceeded to offer to put me on the list to test new products. When I asked him if or when they would develop new products for the 7.3L he said they have no plans to ever do so, or even to update existing products.


So why would you want to support a company that does not support your vehicle, or even feel it warrants any development money. The 7.3L is not dead, there is a lot going on right now for it.

If you really want to support that arrogant ass go ahead, I would recommend you find a REAL performance diesel shop and talk to them. I have talked to the OWNERS of Diesell Innovations, ITP diesel DP-Tuner, Black Widow Diesel and The Diesel Site. When was the last time anyone but the press talked to Gale?

It's your money, spend it as you want.

If you don't want the best - buy Banks.

If you want everything from the same company - buy Banks.

If you just want to write a check at your local RV center or aftermarket truck shop and do nothing - buy Banks.

If you want to join the Banks Club - buy Banks.

If you want a package designed for YOUR truck to do what YOU want, find a REAL diesel performance shop and go talk to them.

It's your money. It's your truck. It's obvious you already believe the hype and lies surrounding this OH SO emotional topic of Gale Banks as the diesel performance leader, innovator, and God. :shaking:

whats the deal this Banks obsession:laughing:
on every diesel forum I've went on there's some people that hate the guy like he raped their dog and others that want to suck his cawk.
whats the deal ? i don't get it.:shaking:



sorry about the thread hijack Landslide, this always bugged me and i never got a straight answer anywhere.

whats the deal this Banks obsession:laughing:
on every diesel forum I've went on there's some people that hate the guy like he raped their dog and others that want to suck his cawk.
whats the deal ? i don't get it.:shaking:



sorry about the thread hijack Landslide, this always bugged me and i never got a straight answer anywhere.

Gale Banks has NOT been a friendly neighbor in the performance aftermarket community. I have heard a lot of stories, and have personal experience, of the arrogance, incompetence and dishonesty of not only him, but his son, and his sales and engineering staff. I refuse to provide the man support, and will continue to offer an alternative to anyone and everyone interested.

You can get more for less, from a companies that care about you and the performance aftermarket.

Sent you a PM. I have a 6.0 stroke intercooler I'll sell you. Losing my psd in divorce so I don't need the extra mods.

Gale Banks has NOT been a friendly neighbor in the performance aftermarket community. I have heard a lot of stories, and have personal experience, of the arrogance, incompetence and dishonesty of not only him, but his son, and his sales and engineering staff. I refuse to provide the man support, and will continue to offer an alternative to anyone and everyone interested.

You can get more for less, from a companies that care about you and the performance aftermarket.

I'm by no means a "Banks" lover just don't understand why no one else that supposedly supports the 7.3 offers a complete kit. This is really the only reason I was leaning towards the Banks kit.

I needed good info about why Banks seems to be a love/hate thing with people - and by no means am I dedicated to them. I want the info on why or why not I should use them and who offered something kit wise similar.

I have a local diesel aftermarket shop here and he has done work on a few rigs of people I know. One of these guys is always taking his rig (7.3) back for repairs - pretty much a turn off for me.

However - you fellas have got me in the mood to see about parting it together but to be honest I have no idea how to match all the components to make it all work together right.

Now, who can tell me about my trans programing mods? Who offers a plug and go system for it? this is still one of the main reasons I'm leaning towards the Banks kit.

How do you know what turbo housing to use?

Banks offers kits because they can make more money on them selling the whole "complete system" concept.

If you are looking to piece together a system call one of the companies I posted earlier. You can call and talk to these guys and they will put together a "kit" that will do exactly what you want, not what Gale thinks you want. Having access to multiple vendors gives you the flexibility to actually customize a system to YOUR needs, not buy a compromise that may give you some of what you want, but not all of what you want. I would suggest you call all of them. In most cases you may actually talk to the owner :eek:. Also go over to the powerstroke nation (http://www.powerstrokenation.com) and ask there.

http://www.blackwidowdiesel.com
http://www.itpdiesel.com
http://www.dieselinnovations.com
http://www.dieselsite.com

Now, who can tell me about my trans programing mods? Who offers a plug and go system for it? this is still one of the main reasons I'm leaning towards the Banks kit.


The Banks thingy is NOT programming. Go to those vendors and they will hook you up with REAL transmission programming, in the ECU.

A fucking landslide of Truth!!!


Read it and learn ya asshat! I am trying to help you out, but you are more worried about having BANKS! in your PSD. If you would check out some of the links I posted as well as what others threw in you will find what you are looking for.

Did you install a Full-Traction "kit" on your Rock Crawler? :rolleyes:

However - you fellas have got me in the mood to see about parting it together but to be honest I have no idea how to match all the components to make it all work together right.

Now, who can tell me about my trans programing mods? Who offers a plug and go system for it? this is still one of the main reasons I'm leaning towards the Banks kit.

How do you know what turbo housing to use?

All you need to do to your trans would be a Shift kit, and possibly a Converter down the road. Jody at DP-Tuner will modify the tables in his tuning for YOUR TRUCK depending on the power levels, altitude, and how you are going to use it. This will control TC Lockup, and line pressure as well as other shit I know nothing about.

Thats the great thing about Custom tunes, they protect the trans and other system where the Edge/Banks just mods for unknown truck configs.

Go to www.powerstrokenation.com and start reading. You will end up with a truck that will tow the shit out of anything and do it two times better then a BAnks rig.

And I am sure you can do it for less as well!!

I had to put a Wicked Wheel in my turbo to cure surge after my mods. Your Early OBS already has this wheel in it as far as I know. I am guessing you don't need to touch your turbo at all.

So Remove that from the price of things, and it is a huge savings.

A fucking landslide of Truth!!!


Read it and learn ya asshat! I am trying to help you out, but you are more worried about having BANKS! in your PSD. If you would check out some of the links I posted as well as what others threw in you will find what you are looking for.

Did you install a Full-Traction "kit" on your Rock Crawler? :rolleyes:

Well... as a mater of fact ya! I installed an "Easy" button on the dash:flipoff2:

Did Gale bend you over once or what? It's almost like plugging you into a wall socket when you talk about them. Chill out some OK.

You were giving me crap about installing the Banks intercooler but instead recommend installing a 6.0 OEM that no doubt is going to require mods and fabricating to stuff under my hood - wasn't even designed for the 90's body style.

I am VERY particular about my PSD, I've owned it since I ordered it new in 96 - it has around 105K on it and I plan on driving it until its done - hopefully that'll be 15 years plus from now (fingers crossed)

I will search the links out and talk to my local shop some.

Thanks

All you need to do to your trans would be a Shift kit, and possibly a Converter down the road. Jody at DP-Tuner will modify the tables in his tuning for YOUR TRUCK depending on the power levels, altitude, and how you are going to use it. This will control TC Lockup, and line pressure as well as other shit I know nothing about.

Thats the great thing about Custom tunes, they protect the trans and other system where the Edge/Banks just mods for unknown truck configs.

Go to www.powerstokenation.com and start reading. You will end up with a truck that will tow the shit out of anything and do it two times better then a BAnks rig.

And I am sure you can do it for less as well!!

I had to put a Wicked Wheel in my turbo to cure surge after my mods. Your Early OBS already has this wheel in it as far as I know. I am guessing you don't need to touch your turbo at all.

So Remove that from the price of things, and it is a huge savings.

That's what I was wanting to know about the trans - thanks.

How can you tell when driving your rig the turbo needs mods or not?

I'm also planning on removing the warm up valve/butterfly in the turbo housing - what's your thoughts on that?

BTW - your linky is bad.

Bah silly link!!

You will know you need turbo mods when towing a load (sometimes it will do it in a hot chip setting) and you will hear a Wish Wish Wish sound from the turbo instead of a nice turbo sing song.. :D

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/True-Turbo-Compressor_163406.htm

The EBPV I have decided to leave in the truck, we get cold here in the winter, and it does make a difference for me warming up the truck. If I was in a place that had 40deg weather as the coolest I would ever see, I would delete it. It is a major source of oil leaks and the seals are a pain in the ass to replace.

Another one for ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evGFfuhUaRM

You were giving me crap about installing the Banks intercooler but instead recommend installing a 6.0 OEM that no doubt is going to require mods and fabricating to stuff under my hood - wasn't even designed for the 90's body style.

The banks kit is still going to require you to relocate the AC condensor, cut the grill supports and drill holes in the support for whatever cheesy mounts they send you, no different from any custom instal.

Here is my 7.3L IC instal. A 6.0L would install almost EXACTLY the same, but I came across this 7.3L IC for pretty cheap.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v625/billbridge/94%20PSD/intercooler/


The EBPV I have decided to leave in the truck, we get cold here in the winter, and it does make a difference for me warming up the truck. If I was in a place that had 40deg weather as the coolest I would ever see, I would delete it. It is a major source of oil leaks and the seals are a pain in the ass to replace.

I have mine deleted. I start the truck up unplugged at temps to about -10F, sometimes a little cooler, but not much. Takes a bit longer to warm up and smokes more, but it is worth it. The only reason to leave one in is if you wired it as an exhaust brake.

This reaks more of Towing tech then "Ford" tech.

The EBPV I have decided to leave in the truck, we get cold here in the winter, and it does make a difference for me warming up the truck. If I was in a place that had 40deg weather as the coolest I would ever see, I would delete it. It is a major source of oil leaks and the seals are a pain in the ass to replace.

I live in Northern Colorado where it gets down to -20 sometimes, I had my EBPV removed from my 96 for 3 years with no issues, the high idle switch on my TS 6position chip made up for it. It was worth the extra air flow (lower egt's).
Remember this too if noone else has mentioned it. Don't do the turbo wheel they will try and sell you, it is nothing over stock (I know, I bought one). It was an upgrade on the 99+ trucks but not on the 94.5-97's. The turbo housing is a well worth it mod though, either .84 for stock injectors and 1.0 for bigger injectors if I remember correctly.
Oh, and I'm not a banks fan either. Way overpriced for what it is. You will do way better piecing it together. Banks has their place, but its not in my truck.

Whelp, Banks here I come.

I did some research on their stuff and compared to other products out there.
this is the direction I'm going.

First I'm prepping the truck for additional mods when I can afford them.
The first products I've ordered are the Banks IC system. I can't see anyone else offering anything that compares to it.

Second thing was the AFE stage II 7 layer with precleaner.

Third item is three Autometer Phantom gauges - Pyro, boost, and tranny temp with pillar mounting.

I'll install the gauges first and see how things are, then install the IC and AFE.

When money allows next will be a DP-tuner and possibly a 1.0 housing.

I'm also looking at tranny mods as well - VB upgrades and better torque converter.

Make sense?