Back in May after racing the first 3 out of 5 races in a Tough Truck event in Virginia Beach's "Monsters on the Beach" I got fed up with losing to a 800 + or - HP Jeep built by a local Off-road shop owner and decided that before the last two races on Sunday I would swap on the 1.6 16 valve turbo parts that I have been accumulating over the previous year. Most of what I picked up came from junkyard s and similar sources including a 1990's Saab turbo, the intercooler from the same vehicle, oil lines, water hoses, down pipe, and that stuff along with some vacuum hoses, couplers, exhaust tubing, home-built exhaust manifold went into my 5 hour junkyard turbo project. I got back to the garage about 11pm Saturday night and had a bite to eat then went out and started working just before midnight knowing I had to make this stuff work by morning or I would not be able to race Sunday. I was working as fast as I could to get it done and took lots of "short cuts" since I did not have all of the parts necessary, but was determined to make this work. I did not have the weld-in bung for the oil return to the pan so I used a 9mm metric socket and welded her in (who ever uses the 9mm deep well anyway?). I did not have all the necessary 2 1/2" and 2 1/4" silicone couplers I needed for the air lines or the bling aluminum intake and intercooler piping so I used exhaust tubing and radiator hoses cut to fit. The exhaust on the Sammy was 2 1/4" and was sufficient for use with the turbo (2 1/2" would have been a little better), but I modified the downpipe I had to connect to the existing exhaust.

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By about 4am I had everything installed on the motor and just had to figure ut all the vacuum lines and install a Autometer boost gauge I had lying around so I got it all in and by about 4:30 was out taking a test drive! I brought tools with me to adjust the tiiming and ran up and down on a deserted road a few times making adjustments then realized I'd better get to sleep and so I turned in about 5am. After 3 1/2 hours of sleep I got up and loaded the trailer then got to the beach where the races would be held just in time to get into the gate before the cut off time.


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A friend an I ran the Sammy up and down the hard packed wet sand near the water line still adjusting the timing for optimum performance with it getting faster and faster with each adjustment and trying not to let it run too lean or detonate. We also found a few boost leaks and fixed them quickly before the race. I was running a set of 325/60/15 BFG All Terrains for the previous events and though that the wide all terrain tires were really a good choice ....until I hit the soft sand on the course....


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Now on the hard packed sand it was stupid fast, but in the soft sand it was a different story. It was sooo fast it would easily beat the average truck and Jeep guys, but I now had to be easy on it off the starting line, because unlike the day before it would now spin the tires sooo fast in the really soft sand it would barely move until you let off and the all terrains caught traction. A paddle type tire would have made a huge difference on this really soft sand course! Having to be easy on it was not really my driving style so the rest of the day I was unable to do any beter than 3rd place.....and that meant that the same Jeep continued to dominate EVERY race! ....Maybe next year I'll get him :smokin:

OK, so I was beat, but it was time to get this thing running even better so I worked on relocating the intercooler a little better and relocating the intake to the pass side front corner of the fenderwell to keep it out of the water and mud as well as a few as a few other upgrades.

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The fuel pump is the stock 1.6 16 valve model out of a Tracker tank installed in the Samurai tank and the blue circular thing is a Rising Rate Fuel Pressure Regulator (RRFPR) that increases the fuel pressure as the boost increases so that it supplys enough fuel. An APEXI SAFC air/fuel controller is in the near future for it to help optimize the power and make it run even better. A better blow off valve is also in the near future as the Egay piece of junk I have on there now is leaking and it's not even a few months old!
The best addition was an AEM UEGO wich uses a wideband O2 sensor read by the UEGO gauge that gives a digital readout of the precise Air/Fuel ratio. This allows you to tune the vehicle better and you will know whether it is runing too rich or too lean and dial it in a bit better. Both of these items have made a noticeable difference in tuning as I am no longer worried about running too lean and burning up a piston.

http://www.zuwharrie.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10154/turboa.jpg
The motor has approximately 30,000 miles on it and is a JDM (Japanese import motor) and has a 1995 intake manifold and accessories, wiring and computer to control it which are all stock. The Turbo and intercooler are junkyard Saab parts and have worked great with minimal if any turbo lag.......and yes that is a Ford Super Duty after market center cap with a K & N filter installed on it....works good!

http://www.zuwharrie.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10154/turbob.jpg


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The mud is from the last Mud Bog at Gravedigger's and TurboZuki got 1st place in the 4 & 6 Cylinder classes and here's a link to pic's and video:

http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,84833.0/all.html

As you can see from the pic, the Turbo gives it enough power to fly through the mud and even catch air in the mud pit....Way too much fun!

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The Samurai is completely street friendly and still gets 20+ MPG, but I choose to run the higher octane fuel with the turbo. None of the low-end torque/power has been lost and there is almost no noticeable turbo lag at all. The Turbo isn not even noticeable for daily driving unless you punch it to pass someone or really accelerate from a stop light. I have had it up to 100 MPH and it was still accelerating! I'd like to take it somewhere to test the maximum speed without fear of a wreckless driving ticket! So far other than the cost and time involved in swapping on a turbo I cannot say there are many negatives to this swap, but no matter what it has to be tuned properly otherwise you will create problems for yourself. It is FASTER THAN ANY OTHER SAMURAI I HAVE EVER DRIVEN! This turbo has a factory wastegate setting of 7 PSI and at 7 PSI ob boost the power estimate is well over 150 HP. I will take it to the dyno when I have time....hopefully sometime after GonZookin.

GOT QUESTIONS? I am sure I didn't cover everything..... Ask away and maybe we will end up with a "Turbo FAQ" or at least some decent info in a searchable thread.


Here's the disclaimer: I am not a turbo guru and just want to share the experiances I have had as well as the knowledge I have gained in building this Samurai.

Sean (Having too much Fun with TurboZuki!) DeVinney
AFTERMARKET4X4@cox.net
A big thanks to Projectphoto.com and kwfilms.com for the pic's!

Awesome job. Always ensured I checked your updates. some of your pics from the past are famous. you get some serious air man.

Awesome job.


As always...

We should start a "Help Sean kick the Jeep's A$$ fund" on here...

I think this is one of Sean Devinney's Samurais pictured in this Craigslist ad.

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/car/762431869.html

No no no..........the one on the left.:grinpimp:

WOW... what braceing do you have on your diffs??? that is some MASIVE air!!!

Maybe we can get your silhouette on a name brand shoe?

Even your midnight build with self-admitted rigging looks great overall. Off to the jy to find a turbo Volvo........

Nice job Sean! Do you run the stock sami tranny/tcase? What do you estimate you have into this project? I think it would be fun to do to my 8v.

Thanks

I may mave missed it but how many pounds of bost are you running?

I may have missed it but how many pounds of bost are you running?

I am running 7 PSI of boost on the T-25 Saab turbo, which is the factory setting for the waste gate. Yes, it's the stock transmission, stock T-case (4-1's in the near future!), stock Suzuki driveshafts front and rear other than the lengthened slip-yokes, 5.12 hybrid rear with spool, locked 5.12 front, and I run fully trussed front and rear axle housings and currently I have 35 X 10.50 Boggers on it. At the moment the suspension is actually Jeep CJ rears (looks like a 2" lifted YJ spring) all the way around in SPUA (Spring-Under Axle...for the newbies) configuration with the Trail Tough YJ kit w/missing-link front shackles that are pinned up for jumping. It actually has 6" tall shackles in the back.....yep there are no missing-links in the rear and I actually prefer to run it that way.

Here is a little jump over some cars at Gravedigger's last mud bog. They told me to take it easy and not to kill myself LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH0QoWx2YBc

I will see about getting better pic's of the Zuk when it stops raining out here.


Sean (need to change my signature!) DeVinney

So what exhaust manifold is the turbo mounted on? How complicated was this part of the install?

Rich

Sean needs his own reality TV series.

So what exhaust manifold is the turbo mounted on? How complicated was this part of the install?

Rich

The manifold is totally home built with 1/4 wall pipe weld "L"'s, the custom 1/2" thick flanges I sell, and the T-25 flange for the turbo mount. No one makes a turbo manifold set up for a 1.6 16 valve that I have ever found. The 1.3 8 valve, 1.6 8 valve, 1.3 16 valve GTI are totally different so they cannot be used. If there is an easier way than having a mamnifold custom made i'd love to find a shortcut. Here is one of the manifolds I had a place up in Canada build about a year ago for a VW turbo:

http://members.cox.net/suzukispecialists/turbovw16v.jpg

This is a log manifold, but the one I have on my Samurai is actually a semi-equal length manifold. For the lower boost I am making I don't think it makes a noticeable difference which is used. For the installation, well it was simple once I got the orientation of the turbo correct :D


Sean

sweet setup

sweet build thread. :grinpimp:

couple of questions.

do you think this would work well on a 1.3

what compression ratio is your motor

how much boost you running

thanks!

I am running 7 PSI of boost on the T-25 Saab turbo, which is the factory setting for the waste gate. Yes, it's the stock transmission, stock T-case (4-1's in the near future!), stock Suzuki driveshafts front and rear other than the lengthened slip-yokes, 5.12 hybrid rear with spool, locked 5.12 front, and I run fully trussed front and rear axle housings and currently I have 35 X 10.50 Boggers on it. At the moment the suspension is actually Jeep CJ rears (looks like a 2" lifted YJ spring) all the way around in SPUA (Spring-Under Axle...for the newbies) configuration with the Trail Tough YJ kit w/missing-link front shackles that are pinned up for jumping. It actually has 6" tall shackles in the back.....yep there are no missing-links in the rear and I actually prefer to run it that way.

Here is a little jump over some cars at Gravedigger's last mud bog. They told me to take it easy and not to kill myself LOL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH0QoWx2YBc

I will see about getting better pic's of the Zuk when it stops raining out here.


Sean (need to change my signature!) DeVinney

sweet build thread. :grinpimp:

couple of questions.

do you think this would work well on a 1.3

what compression ratio is your motor

how much boost you running

thanks!

:)

Any pictures of the intercooler?

[QUOTE=2slo4u;8515123]sweet build thread. :grinpimp:

do you think this would work well on a 1.3

what compression ratio is your motor

how much boost you running
[QUOTE]

A turbo can work on anything and I know a guy with a 4-wheeler that is turbocharged!!!!! The question is "is it worth the investment?' The cheap-a$$ DIY guys should expect to spend about $1000 on a good tuneable working setup buying junkyard and used parts. You can do an economical 1.6 8 valve carbed motor swap for under $1000 if you do it yourself and you get much more torque which is probably why most people spend the money to turbo the 1.3 8 valve.

Compression is stock and is approximately 9-1 ...the motor has never had any type of internal work done to it.

7 PSI of boost :smokin:


Sean

Awesome work. Dang you are fast at building stuff. That is some seriously good air in a Sami.

Nice job Sean.
This thread has me thinking about getting away from my propane setup and going back to pump gas.

I built a nice turbo set up for my honda. For a blow off valve I run a 1st gen DSM, easily the best jy bov, as good as any after market piece. I use a free program called UberData to write my fuel and timing maps.To me your project screams megasquirt. If you want to stick to the FMU and away from computer tuning I have seen people run them with an MSD BTM to pull timing as boost increases. An EGT guage is also a small investment in monitoring engine performance and keeping things "safe".

Here is an example of a FMU/BTM setup being utilized with some success. -> http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1426775

Cool project, good luck.

Nice job Sean.
This thread has me thinking about getting away from my propane setup and going back to pump gas.

I know a guy running a turbo with his propane. results were amazing and flat hauls butt.

I know a guy running a turbo with his propane. results were amazing and flat hauls butt.That would be a sweet setup.

Nice job Sean.
This thread has me thinking about getting away from my propane setup and going back to pump gas.

Keep the propane but set up the turbo on it.. got propane has great info and can get you what u need... propane with a turbo would kick ass as it is a higher octane.

how much have you cut your guards out & how much uptravel do you run?
im impressed that you can jump a spua rig on 35" boggers without bodylift etc!
any pics of the suspension setup/cut guards?

how much have you cut your guards out & how much uptravel do you run?
im impressed that you can jump a spua rig on 35" boggers without bodylift etc!
any pics of the suspension setup/cut guards?

I put a set of 34X9 Swampers on my Zuk for the GonZookin Suzuki Event last week since I was not interested in rock-rashing my new Boggers. This is SPUA with the Trail Tough Missing-Link kit in the front and it uses Heep CJ 2 1/2" wide rear springs in the front (look just like the Wrangler YJ springs, but are a little stiffer and about 2" taller). I bought the Sammy with the fenderwells already cut out and so I welded new sheet metal in and the end result gave me enough clearance for the 35's ....even SPUA! The up travel is about 4 inches before it hits the bump stops and the down travel is not as good as it would be if I used a set of stock YJ springs since the CJ rears are a little stiffer. The trusses are a definite must have as I have bent MANY front and rear housings without them! This Zuk is built for Jumping and Tough Truck Racing......not rock crawling, but it did well the last weekend at GonZookin in the rocks so it may stay SPUA instead of SPOA........we'll see!


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HTH you figure out what you want to do....


Sean

I'd think SPUA would handle better in tough truck comps. Less body roll.

I just picked up my T28 for my 1.3 8v Turbo project. Gonna bench make it on another block before I tear out the engine thats in it.

hey i have an 88 tin top that im about to put a 16v 1.6 in would it be worth it to put this teho4 i have out of a mishibitchy in it im just gonna put it all together for a street driver im not even gonna lift it i want a sleeper til i get yotas and 36s :D

If you have to ask "Will XYZ turbo work?", you've probably not done enough reading on turbo's yet ;)

junkyardturbos.com (http://www.junkyardturbos.com/101_1.html)
turbomustangs.com Turbo Bible (http://www.turbomustangs.com/turbotech/main.htm)
Home Made Turbo (http://www.homemadeturbo.com/forum/index.php?topic=28135.0)
Team Swift (http://www.teamswift.net/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=f2861aefadd2a707932e3d87a9a47aa5)

And, did you mean DT04? If so, the team swift gus use it (http://www.teamswift.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15765).

Look to spend $1500 for a JY turbo setup (http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=113976.0) with including tooling & tuning.

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/16.gif

hey never mind any body want to buy a dt04 for 50 bucks

What's wrong with it?

nothing that i know of but i guess its really worth 75 to 100 bucks and ill ship on your dime all the hoses are still there and have the down pipe

You make a real good daily drive set-up and it give a clean look under the hood.Can you make a list of part you by in junkyard and in the market with price, it will be really appriciate.I plan to do someting like that.
p.s. Excuse my english, i'm a french guy from Quebec.
Tank you for your thread.

Dude, just read the thread. He pertty much lays all the parts out you need.

I am looking to put turbo on 1.6 8valve and I didn't find anyone do it allready.
I was reading a lot about turbo installs on engines not designed to have turbo and my main concern is how will all the ECM inputs work when pressure will be obtained instead of vacuum in the inlet manifold. How will that affect on MAP sensor (manifold air pressure sensor) and all the vacuum lines going to distributor and EGR valve....etc??? Also I am very suspicious how to increase fuel volume on TBI setup???
I am very interested in turbo setup on my zuk casue I'm doing allot of mud racing and hillclimbing on loose ground...mud...and snow and I am desperate for power and still want to keep it lightweight (no V8).
If anyone could help me solving my doubts about turbo.....thanks.

I am looking to put turbo on 1.6 8valve and I didn't find anyone do it allready.
I was reading a lot about turbo installs on engines not designed to have turbo and my main concern is how will all the ECM inputs work when pressure will be obtained instead of vacuum in the inlet manifold. How will that affect on MAP sensor (manifold air pressure sensor) and all the vacuum lines going to distributor and EGR valve....etc??? Also I am very suspicious how to increase fuel volume on TBI setup???
I am very interested in turbo setup on my zuk casue I'm doing allot of mud racing and hillclimbing on loose ground...mud...and snow and I am desperate for power and still want to keep it lightweight (no V8).
If anyone could help me solving my doubts about turbo.....thanks.

Darrin aka: "WILDGOODY" over on the ZUKIWORLD forum (www.zukiworld.com) (http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php) put a turbo on a 1.6 8 valve with good success. I would send him a private message over there asking about his build up as an 8 valve is just a little different than the 16 valve as mine does not use a MAP sensor, just a MAF sensor. I am certain he can help you with your turbo setup :p


Sean

I would suggest doing some more google searches on turbos. There's a LOT of area to cover with vacuume lines, PCV & misc sensors. I believe wildgoody experimented with bigger injectors (nissan & ford) and other goodies. There is no "step by step" guide for turboing the Suzuki motor. The cloesest you're going to get is on turbo heavy foums like teamswift, turbomustang, junkyardturbo etc. Spend a lot of time reading and taking notes. I'm slowly planing a build myself, and will be adding to my thread for it as I learn more and more... but for now, we're pretty much on our own... unless you want to spend a few grand having someone make you a setup.

Sweet build! I actually started to gather parts ~3 months ago to build a similar engine hehe... I'll be using a mitsu 13g from a volvo 850/S70 with a built-in BOV.

I was planning on going megasquirt, to use bigger injectors without having to mess with the stock ecu. I understand the stock AFM output is current-based, instead of voltage based. This will not work with the apexi units (or any other aftermarket piggyback unit out there fyi...)

Another member here had a similar setup (jardamuth), and he had a custom made piggyback unit build to work with his setup. However, at ~$250 for the piggyback, I figured Id just use megasquirt and have a fully programmable ecu.

Also, my G16B has the newer style coil&igniter built-into-the distributor assy. This makes using a MSD BTM almost impossible, since it needs to be connected between the igniter and coil.

Anyway, quick question for you: you said you are running ~7psi of boost, with the stock injectors and stock FI system, except for less timing advance and the fuel press regulator, right? Any other changes youve made to run 7psi safely?

It also seems from your first post that you didnt had the press reg installed on the first few days, am I right? If so, you pretty much had everything stock except for the ign timing changed and @7psi. That'd be VERY impressive for a stock FI system to handle...

Sweet build! I actually started to gather parts ~3 months ago to build a similar engine hehe... I'll be using a mitsu 13g from a volvo 850/S70 with a built-in BOV.

I was planning on going megasquirt, to use bigger injectors without having to mess with the stock ecu. I understand the stock AFM output is current-based, instead of voltage based. This will not work with the apexi units (or any other aftermarket piggyback unit out there fyi...)

Another member here had a similar setup (jardamuth), and he had a custom made piggyback unit build to work with his setup. However, at ~$250 for the piggyback, I figured Id just use megasquirt and have a fully programmable ecu.
Also, my G16B has the newer style coil & igniter built-into-the distributor assy. This makes using a MSD BTM almost impossible, since it needs to be connected between the igniter and coil.

Anyway, quick question for you: you said you are running ~7psi of boost, with the stock injectors and stock FI system, except for less timing advance and the fuel press regulator, right? Any other changes youve made to run 7psi safely?

It also seems from your first post that you didnt had the press reg installed on the first few days, am I right? If so, you pretty much had everything stock except for the ign timing changed and @7psi. That'd be VERY impressive for a stock FI system to handle...

Sorry for bringing this back up after months, but I got a PM asking me to answer a few questions.

The coil and igniter in the distributor can actually be rewired for external components very easily.

That is correct.... I am running 7 psi with the stock computer, stock, wiring, stock injectors, & stock fuel system and ran it that way for the first few weeks with no issues. All I did at that time was to adjust the timing. I installed an AEM UEGO to meter the Air Fuel Ratio (AFR) and saw that it was leaning out at above 6 psi so I added the Rising Rate Fuel Pressure Regulator (RRFPR) for added protection. This made it run a little rich and instead of lean so it was safer at higher boost.

So yes, the stock motor and components can safely handle 5-6 PSI with no issues and I ran it really hard even before I installed the RRPFR and the AFR meter.

I am certain that with the right tuning this could be even faster! If you get to the point where you have a Megasquirt setup ready for the 1.6 16 valve motor just let me know....I'd love to test one out!


Sean (Pulling all this TURBO stuff out and selling it! ..Making room for the new 2.3 Liter!) DeVinney

just so you know, there is a company in quebec that makes a turbo manifold for the 16valve, but they dont list a phone number, and im not sure if they speak good english
turbinetech.ca
i think

just so you know, there is a company in quebec that makes a turbo manifold for the 16valve, but they dont list a phone number, and im not sure if they speak good english
turbinetech.ca
i think

Jess speaks English just fine - 418-674-9191

http://www.abusivemotorsports.com/rob/Turbo03.jpg

Jess speaks English just fine - 418-674-9191

http://www.abusivemotorsports.com/rob/Turbo03.jpg



Did you buy that? I see they sell the manifold, turbo etc... for the kick but not a complete kit

oh, sweet, they didnt have a phone number on their site last time i was on it
one day......compound charged 16valve MUAHAHAHAHAHA:rolleyes::rolleyes:

not even sure why i would do that, but it look menacing
id like to just buy that manifold and only use it as a normal exhaust manifold, they are "pretty"

For anyone considering this avenue of forced induction there's a GREAT and I mean literal Bible of turbo's by Corky Bell taught from the beginner level called "Maximum Boost". Go get it and learn, what you think is right is likely wrong by the way too.... Just some food for thought, this is how I put a Dodge Omni Turbo into the low 10's in the 1/4 for less then 3 grand....

Hope this helps

Will any of those mani's fit a GT motor that's in a Sammy? You know I'm in the market for an exhaust mani to hold my T25 that I pulled from my mazdaspeed Protege. My plan is to rebuild the T25 with guts from a GT28RS!! I just need a damn Mani that doesn'y cost as much as my motor!!!

Here are some 1.6 8 valve pic's of a Turbine Tech setup:

http://members.cox.net/suzukispecialists/turbo8vsetup1.jpg

http://members.cox.net/suzukispecialists/turbo8vsetup2.jpg

They do good work.

Sean

Perfect timing! I've just started to build my turbo vitara last week . Too bad, I wasn't sure the stock ecu was able to handle boost, so I started by installing a megasquirt.

I have it running on the MS2 right now. Cold starts are rough and during warmup it hesitates a bit. When engine gets warm it is ok (not perfect). I found a stock ecu connector, so I built a small harness that interfaces the stock ecu harness to the MS2 db-37 connector. (ie stock harness is untouched!)

I installed suzuki baleno (esteem?, J18 engine) red injectors. They flow ~270cc/min compared to the stock INP-470 170cc/min g16b injectors. The car runs like crap with the new injectors and stock ecu (no kidding!), so it's only running w/ the MS2 now.

I also installed the intercooler in front of the water radiator (no A/C on my car).

I just got back from the shop, they welded my log-type manifold.

pics and progress report to follow....

Perfect timing! I've just started to build my turbo vitara last week . Too bad, I wasn't sure the stock ecu was able to handle boost, so I started by installing a megasquirt.

I have it running on the MS2 right now. Cold starts are rough and during warmup it hesitates a bit. When engine gets warm it is ok (not perfect). I found a stock ecu connector, so I built a small harness that interfaces the stock ecu harness to the MS2 db-37 connector. (ie stock harness is untouched!)

I installed suzuki baleno (esteem?, J18 engine) red injectors. They flow ~270cc/min compared to the stock INP-470 170cc/min g16b injectors. The car runs like crap with the new injectors and stock ecu (no kidding!), so it's only running w/ the MS2 now.

I also installed the intercooler in front of the water radiator (no A/C on my car).

I just got back from the shop, they welded my log-type manifold.

pics and progress report to follow....

Definitely post some pic's and details on the MS2 you are using. Mine still needs some tuning.

Sean

Cool to see some turbo projects going on in here:grinpimp: Yours looks damn good. I just dropped in and I see these threads about turbos so Im naturally attracted to see whay you all are doing. Keep it up