I need to get off my butt and build the front suspension for my '67. I did some preliminary measurements the other night and the front end of the spring needs to be around 26-27". Digging around my shop the only springs I have laying around that fit the bill are rear waggies. They are 57" long 26" front and 31" rear lengths. The front length is perfect and they are so long I think they'd flex damn nice. I also think they can hold up the bulk of an IH. My concern is the overall length puts the rear slider box behind the body mount on the flat of the frame, in other words way back there, and I'm concerned that the 5" offset center pin could wind up pointing my pinion into the dirt on droop. What are you guys' thoughts? Thanks
Travis

I would have to say that they may be a tad too long for using on your Scout...Anything may be possible, but good luck with that. I have 44044's on my front. They are the waggy fronts with 2.5" of lift. They are 2" offset pin ...~46" overall. Here's a pic to show you how a 46" spring fits...and you want to go 57"?:eek:

Your Scout looks pretty cool. What seats are those? Going to the rear waggies is only 2 more inches up front over the 44044s, the rest is all in the back where I have plenty of room. I'm not to crazy about having the slider box on the flat of the frame though. They'll definately fit under the truck I just don't know if thats the best way to go. They do have one major advantage over the 44044s though... they're free. What are your inpressionsI
of the 44044s? Are you running an IH motor. I have a 345 and the only thing I'd replace it with is a 500 caddy so I have alot of iron to hold up. If I'm going to spend $$$ for springs they have to be more then good, they have to be great. How much lift over a spring over on stock springs do you guess the 44044s provide? Thanks I appreciate the info.
Travis

You've been registered here a month longer than me..don't you follow along :D

Seats: 2002 Celica

44044's: They are finally stating to flex...they were real stiff last year. I have a Chevu 305 in there..but ut us set way back so the weight is still near the center instead of hanging over the axle. I have no idea how much lift I've gained...but my 36's fit now..sorta:rolleyes: the 38's are going to be painful. I would save your pennies and put 44044's in the front and use the waggy rears for the rear.

I've been spending most of my time over on the Toyota board getting my '81 finished up. I got it all finished and took it wheeling once then the head cracked:mad:. So now I'm over here again trying to get that huge refigerator looking thing out of my shop and on the trail. I have 95% of the parts I just need to assemble the Scout. The front end is the only major hold up. I worry about spending $250 I don't have on 44044s only to have them sag out under the weight of the rock fridge. Also I can't tell from your pick but are you running your shackle up front or in back? I'd like to run mine in back as I'm sick of bending leaves but that can always be rearranged if I change my mind in the future. I have the rear waggies sitting around I might tack them in and see how they work. Looking at DRM's spring page the only thing thats the perfect length for me is Mazda. I'd have to get a lot of those little leaves to hold up my truck. If anyone has any junkyard ideas I'd love the hear them. Thanks
Travis

Originally posted by Overkiller
I've been spending most of my time over on the Toyota board getting my '81 finished up. I got it all finished and took it wheeling once then the head cracked:mad:. So now I'm over here again trying to get that huge refigerator looking thing out of my shop and on the trail. I have 95% of the parts I just need to assemble the Scout. The front end is the only major hold up. I worry about spending $250 I don't have on 44044s only to have them sag out under the weight of the rock fridge. Also I can't tell from your pick but are you running your shackle up front or in back? I'd like to run mine in back as I'm sick of bending leaves but that can always be rearranged if I change my mind in the future. I have the rear waggies sitting around I might tack them in and see how they work. Looking at DRM's spring page the only thing thats the perfect length for me is Mazda. I'd have to get a lot of those little leaves to hold up my truck. If anyone has any junkyard ideas I'd love the hear them. Thanks
Travis
That's the problem with that Yapanese stuff.... it's disposable. Crack a head and throw the whole damn thing away and start over on another project... :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Overkiller
I've been spending most of my time over on the Toyota board getting my '81 finished up. I got it all finished and took it wheeling once then the head cracked:mad:. So now I'm over here again trying to get that huge refigerator looking thing out of my shop and on the trail. I have 95% of the parts I just need to assemble the Scout. The front end is the only major hold up. I worry about spending $250 I don't have on 44044s only to have them sag out under the weight of the rock fridge. Also I can't tell from your pick but are you running your shackle up front or in back? I'd like to run mine in back as I'm sick of bending leaves but that can always be rearranged if I change my mind in the future. I have the rear waggies sitting around I might tack them in and see how they work. Looking at DRM's spring page the only thing thats the perfect length for me is Mazda. I'd have to get a lot of those little leaves to hold up my truck. If anyone has any junkyard ideas I'd love the hear them. Thanks
Travis

1st of all, sorry for all the typos before...my typing has gotten worse lately..I dunno

Anyway, I understand about not having any money to buy the springs...Why don't you fix the head on the Yota and then sell it so you can finish the Scout...(Or vis-versa, but I bet you'll be happier with the Scout when it's done) Remember, 44044's were designed to hold up a Wagoneer..I think a Scout might actually weigh less than one of those;) My Scout is Shackle-reversed, which is the main reason why I don't think that you can use the waggy rears in the front. the shackle would be sitting near the middle of the vehicle. You mentioned slider boxes. Were you thinking of using some sort of slider device instead of shackles? I know that Scott-Rockstomper made some and he stated that he had to keep greasing them all the time, sometimes on the trail, just to get them to work. I really don't know if that is the best solution.

You want junkyard ideas: I originally put on factory 7 leaf waggy's on the front. They were not the HD ones that some people have. I also trimmed my fenders. All this and I tried to run 36's...bad idea. So, maybe you can put on factory springs and run 33's or something. Keep in mind though, I set mine up for the stock (Worn out) springs and then put on the 44044's. Well, it turns out that the factory springs were so flat that when I put on the 44044's the shackle went from angling back to standing straight up...I tried to wheel it for a while like this but the 44044's never sagged to the length that I needed. Which is part of the reason why I redid my from mounts this past winter. So, make sure that you figure in some difference in springs before you weld everything up. Or you can do what I did nd make a bolt on buggy on the front just so I can drill a couple holes in the buggy springs and then move my shackle if need be. (Which I may have to). I'm not saying that 44044's are the best spring out there, just that they are offset and it seems that you are looking for this. There are probably others that will work as well.

Good luck,
-SD

Ok ok, lay off my Yoda:flipoff2: I like my truck. Anyway I was planning on wheeling the Toyota until I finish up my Scout, then wheel the Scout while I swapped the Supra motor I have laying around into my truck. Then decide which one I liked better and sell the other. Anywho wrench in the works but the Scout will still come out and play. Almost everything I need is laying on the shop floor I just need to rebuild the tcase and put her back together. The first step is the front suspension, the truck is sitting on jack stands with the front suspension torched off while I decide on springs. The mounts are all made I just need to know where to weld them on. If go with the rear Waggies up front the slider box (sprint car style not like Scotts) will be back almost to the tcase mount. That's way far. I've been thinking of maybe running some Chevy front lift springs. I've seen some K5s that cross up really nice. Then again my buddy just grabbed some springs from the pile and threw them on his 800b. I swear they are Toyota lift springs but he says they worked great. My buddy ran some I'm running 3/4 ton chevy axles so I don't think 33s are an option with a 14 bolt. I'm hoping for 36s maybe 38s. Why weren't you happy with the stock waggies? Too soft? Too low? :beer:for you Scout Dude you're being very helpful. Thanks
Travis

Junk Yard ideas?
That would be most of my truck. Keep in mind I have not had it on the street (not finished). But heres what I did with my Scout II.

I installed new mounts for my 54" long springs on the front. Source - 1968 Ford 1/2 ton 2wd pick up rear springs. Very flexy.
I put 1986 Full Size Bronco rear springs in the back but positioned them under the frame. Sits a little taller in the rear but that's ok.

Good luck
Ritch

Originally posted by nwmud


I installed new mounts for my 54" long springs on the front. Source - 1968 Ford 1/2 ton 2wd pick up rear springs.

Those are the springs that I plan to put in the back of mine....


Overkiller: The stock Non-Heavy duty waggy springs were way to soft and also were a little too low.

I have thought about using Yota springs...but I don't think that the springs would live for very long under a heavy Scout

I have Pro-Comp 51413's in the front of my Scout. $55 each, less than 1/2 price of the RS44044's. They are 4" lift springs for Wranglers. Plenty of room for the 36's, and they hold up to the weight of the 472 just fine. They settled about 1" the first trip, and have been holding steady for over a year since then. Wrangler springs are about 1.5" shorter than Wagoneer springs, with a centered spring pin. With the shape of the 80/800 frame you can't run a very long spring without the rear end of the spring being way lower than the front end. When the spring is tilted back like that, it shoves your tire into the firewall when its stuffed, and makes it harder to clear the tires.

These springs flex great, and are a good, cheap alternative to the 44044's.

Originally posted by Ben W
I have Pro-Comp 51413's in the front of my Scout. $55 each, less than 1/2 price of the RS44044's. They are 4" lift springs for Wranglers. Plenty of room for the 36's, and they hold up to the weight of the 472 just fine. They settled about 1" the first trip, and have been holding steady for over a year since then. Wrangler springs are about 1.5" shorter than Wagoneer springs, with a centered spring pin. With the shape of the 80/800 frame you can't run a very long spring without the rear end of the spring being way lower than the front end. When the spring is tilted back like that, it shoves your tire into the firewall when its stuffed, and makes it harder to clear the tires.

These springs flex great, and are a good, cheap alternative to the 44044's.

Hey Ben,

I am wondering if the Pro Craps come with bushings...also, how is the flex on them? If you have a free moment, could you put a tape on them and let me know what length they settled at on your Scout. I am thinking about pushing my axle back just a bit and was looking at Wranglers as a possible option. Also, Could you measure from the frame to the ground so I can figure out if my Scout would fit in the garage with the same springs?

Tia,
Joel

geesh you're asking alot. :D I'll try to get some measurements tonight.

They don't come with bushings, but you can buy an 8 pack of 1.5" O.D. poly bushings for less than $20.

Lots of good ideas. Anyone have any thoughts on 73-89 Chevy front lift springs? I've seen pics of Tuff Country springs that looked pretty inpressive.