: Hydro ram-will this ram work?
maveric 08-11-2008, 09:01 AM I aquired a ram for free, and hope it will work. It is 6" stroke x 1 1/8". The cylinder is about 2".
Will it work with the stock Toy pump? Or do I need to use a 3/4" instead?
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Brian Ellinger 08-11-2008, 09:15 AM Yes, and poorly. Is going to be ~1.5" piston, but you say the rod is 1.125. Horrible balance, meaning strong turn one way and weak the other. The other issue is if you are running off the tie rod, low steer, you need an 8" ram. 6" will work on highsteer, as the tierod is closer to pivot of the steering, and therefore doesnt move as far.
maveric 08-11-2008, 09:41 AM It will have the old style Allpro cross-over. It will be ran to the drag-link. This is actually going on the Runner.
What do you mean by horrible balance? What factors contribute to it being weak one way, and strong the other?
Brian Ellinger 08-11-2008, 09:49 AM draglink?! No, to the tierod, unless you want to fold the draglink!
pressure is 1.5 dia on the extend, and 1.5 minus 1.125 dia on the retract. Not much surface area. Something 1.5 and say 3/4 rod would do better on retract.
maveric 08-11-2008, 10:09 AM OK... My bad. It will go to the tie-rod then. I didn't think it much mattered which link it went to, but now that I think about it, it makes sense to run to the tie-rod... It doesn't change planes with articulation.
See, that is what I love about this sight. It allows some of us to ask stupid-a$$ questions, and get an actual answer.
As for the pressure, are you saying that because the body of the ram is 2", then the piston is going to be about 1.5". Therefore, it's extension pressure is going to be pushing the 1.5" piston out, but on retract, it is pushing the surface area of the piston (1.5") minus the rod diameter (1.125"). Is this correct?
So I would need a rod half the diameter of the cylinder?
Brian Ellinger 08-11-2008, 10:36 AM As for the pressure, are you saying that because the body of the ram is 2", then the piston is going to be about 1.5". Therefore, it's extension pressure is going to be pushing the 1.5" piston out, but on retract, it is pushing the surface area of the piston (1.5") minus the rod diameter (1.125"). Is this correct?
So I would need a rod half the diameter of the cylinder?
No real number you want, but the closer the rod is to piston diameter the weaker the retract will be. Think of a hydro press, it just needs enough force to pull the piston back up, not to stretch something. For our application, we need good force both ways. FYI, my 2" has a 1 or 1.125 rod in it.
maveric 08-11-2008, 01:00 PM FYI, my 2" has a 1 or 1.125 rod in it.
Does that mean the one I have will work (as well as yours), but not the best? And I realize that your running a different PS pump, but do you think the toy pump will work? Remember this is for the wifes runner, so she is just looking for some turning assistance. It will also see minimal street use.
Brian Ellinger 08-11-2008, 01:57 PM Given that it should work, but I dont know how out of balance you will be. She may find she has faster steering one way than the other, and that one way is a lot easier to steer than another.
maveric 09-30-2008, 04:04 PM FYI, this ram did not work on the Runner. It was working slower than the steering box, so it is actually putting the box in a bind and creating extra pressure somewhere (not sure how or where) that keeps blowing the return lines. It works better without the ram than it did with it.
I will be going to the smaller ram.
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