military vehicles to be bannd in WI & 2.5 questions

[JoshTurner]

Im just thinking on getting a Duce....Can someone list places to buy them from..Even private parties...

Also pros & cons to having them?

I want one to go camping with,everyday driving around town,& to pull my car trailer with my wheeling truck on it...


& now the Banning thing...While searching for info in these I ran across this...

http://discussions-neighborhoods.ebay.com/topic/Military-Discussions/Military-Vehicles-Banned/1300032225

Post up & dont worry about hijacks....Maybe even post pix of your ride...

[Elwenil]

There are tons of pros and cons of owning one. You best bet is to jump over to SteelSoldiers.com and read up in the Deuce section a while. There is more info there than you can possibly digest in a year and several "new to military trucks" posts that should fill you in. There is also a classifieds section and many MV (military vehicle) surplus parts vendors as a few dealers also. The easiest place to buy a MV is from a dealer close to you as shipping one is big bucks and driving one long distances can also cost a bit considering the low MPG and 55 MPH top speed on most models.

[JoshTurner]

There are tons of pros and cons of owning one. You best bet is to jump over to SteelSoldiers.com and read up in the Deuce section a while. There is more info there than you can possibly digest in a year and several "new to military trucks" posts that should fill you in. There is also a classifieds section and many MV (military vehicle) surplus parts vendors as a few dealers also. The easiest place to buy a MV is from a dealer close to you as shipping one is big bucks and driving one long distances can also cost a bit considering the low MPG and 55 MPH top speed on most models.

Thanks...Im working on signing up...I also found a member there that lives just a few miles from me..

[E Gud]

http://www.memphisequipment.com/

[xtrm4x4wanab]

http://www.boyceequipment.com/

[Elwenil]

Beware buying from Memphis, Boyce, Clark or even Eastern. You will get a good truck that has had various amounts of work done depending on where and what truck, but you will pay out the nose for it. The cheapest way to get a surplus military truck is from a private owner or GL but you need to have a good working knowledge of the trucks and what can go wrong with them and how it's fixed. If you don't have this knowledge, you don't have any business owning such a vehicle. The tech manuals are readily available online for free and many MV owners are more then happy to tell you all they know so it's not hard to learn.

[49willys]

The cool thing that comes to mind is that I run filtered drain oil, transmisssion fluid, and even old stale gas in my multifuel and it never complains.

[krustyroo]

Left a message for the lady in Madison and she returned my call. We're in the middle of hpone tag right now. She wanted to dicsuss my concerns. She also wanted to clarify that they seek to know if the vehicle is for road or strict offroad (impliment) use.

She was quick with the call back. Hopefully we're not all getting excited over nothing here.

Krustyroo

[rustywagoneersdotcom]

Watching this thread.

[JoshTurner]

Left a message for the lady in Madison and she returned my call. We're in the middle of hpone tag right now. She wanted to dicsuss my concerns. She also wanted to clarify that they seek to know if the vehicle is for road or strict offroad (impliment) use.

She was quick with the call back. Hopefully we're not all getting excited over nothing here.

Krustyroo

Krusty....You anyone looking to get rid of a Duece in WI do you???

[krustyroo]

I drive one every night coming home just outside Antioch IL. I'll get the number tonight.

I'll keep my eyes peeled for more........

Krusty

[Elwenil]

If you have deep pockets, check out OshkoshEquipment.com , not to be confused with Oshkosh Truck.

[krustyroo]

Josh,
Check your PM. Let me know if the # worked.

Krusty out

[krustyroo]

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/cto/786550806.html

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/806429015.html

Here's a couple on criagslist down this way.

Krusty

[ncmog]

Pinzgauer owners in WI have already had their titles revoked. I know of at least one that is fighting it.

[Elwenil]

Check out this thread at SteelSoldiers that talks about and documents one Pinz owner's fight. He seems to be making some progress that will likely effect all MV owners in Wisconsin with they way their crazy lawmakers are acting.

http://steelsoldiers.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=15064

[larboc@hotmail.com]

There is a good old boy that restores 2.5+ trucks just south of oshkosh on the east side 41. I stopped and talked to him one day about cucv axles and I was picking his brain about deuces. IIRC he wasn't asking too much for 2.5 tons, and the repair work they did was very necessary and special stuff was needed.

I don't see why they would ban military vehicles when oshkosh truck is who makes many, maybe most of the military trucks now. I remember seeing hemmets and other giant OD and camo trucks driving around on oshkosh streets. intimidating, and obviously it was the company testing, but would they still be able to test?

[Elwenil]

A manufacturer can test anything they want with a manufacturer tag. It doesn't have to pass any inspection or be built to any particular specification. What Wisconsin DOT is trying to do is outlaw any vehicle that doesn't meet federal standards. The way they are interpreting it, it would take just about all military vehicles off the road except possibly CUCVs (both Dodge and GM), as well as just about any classic car that was built before the mid 60s when the federal standards were adopted. They haven't gone that far, but if they are going to take their illogical argument to it's ultimate conclusion, there wouldn't any vehicles registered in Wisconsin that were not built to federal standards. At least that is how it was explained to me.

[Kiwipushrod]

Hey Guys,

As far as the Military Ban, is concerned, I think We need to get to what/who is starting this crap. Is it for real?

I live in Wisconsin Dells, at any one time in the summer, there are at least 10 Dukw's on the road. With several hundred in service here.

Most have been retrofitted with disc brakes and other safety upgrades.

The Power of the Tourisim dollar is very strong in this state, much stronger then You know. With the "Duck Rides" being a major contributor.

There are also many Reserveists Convoys in training on the interstate.

I did see a deuce1/2 (privately owned) on fire on the interstate in the Wisconsin Dells Events newspaper, 2 weeks ago. Maybe more Fuel to the fire.

I'll see what I can find out,...Does anyone know more?

Kiwi

[Kiwipushrod]

Hey Guys,

I just hung up the phone, with a buddy of mine that has worked at the Ducks for 15yrs,...He said, He had not heard anything about any banns whatsoever, (He would know).

He also reminded Me, about how many rural townships use deuce1/2's for municipal snow plows around the state, and He did'nt think they could legislate it, without a lot of exceptions, i.e. collectors, Ducks, Municipal snowplows, etc.

If I owned a Pinzgauer, I would go thru a "Homebuilt Inspection" and take the Homebuilt title. I think it could be done.


Kiwi

[Elwenil]

Check out this thread at SteelSoldiers:

http://steelsoldiers.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=15064

It details one Pinz owner who had his title voided and his fight against it. I thought I had already posted this, but maybe I forgot. The way it's worded the DUKW will probably also get their titles pulled as well as other US military surplus vehicles. He's fighting it in the courts, so I think he has a good take on the situation.

[Kiwipushrod]

This letter from the Wi DOT does not a Bann Make.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f139/scooter007bob/SCAN0001.jpg


It says to Me, that there not issueing license plates for a foregin Military Vehicle. If You were the head of the DOT would You hand out plates for it, without some type of an inspection? They just dont have a program for this situation. If it was to be used on road, it should have been imported and modified, paperworked, as such.

Nothing about Duece's, DUWK's, or anything else.

This is doing more harm then good to collectors as it's bringing ATTENTION to the Pinz, when they should be registering as Homebuilt, ie; under the radar, anyway.


You can build cars/trucks in Wisconsin, and after an inspection by a trained inspector (usaually a Cop) be issued a "Homebuilt title" and registration.

I know 1st hand...And I'm no fan of the DOT, after being a licensed Automobile Dealer for 6 yrs. but I dont think it's unreasonable


Untill further proof..........I'm calling B.S.

Kiwi

[Elwenil]

It says and I quote: "In order for a vehicle to be titled and registered in Wisconsin, the vehicle must be manufactured for road use and certified by the manufacturer, with the placement of a federal certification label on the vehicle." Basically that statement rules out ANY vehicle made in the US before the mid-'60s when the federal certifications were implemented. It also disqualifies any vehicle from overseas that has never been federally certified and any US military surplus vehicle, which have never had the federal certification since they were not originally built for public consumption. US military vehicles do not have to meet federal standards since they are a US Government vehicle. That is why new MVs are not built with airbags and such. Does that mean they are unsafe? No, just that special precautions need to be taken and consideration to the limitations of the vehicle as it was built. They haven't specifically targeted anything other then foreign MVs so far like the Pinz and I think the Volvo and Unimogs would be next if they haven't voided their titles already. Again, if the basis of their ban is that they are not federally certified, then neither are any US MVs or pre '60 cars and trucks. This is just a case of a State leaping over the rights of citizens in an effort to protect them from themselves.

[Kiwipushrod]

Hey Ewenil,

This "seems" like an administrative interpetation of a law on the books for 20+ years, maybe even "selective enforcement". But I can pretty much promise You, that My 64' Elcamino, the Duck rides DUKW's, and the hundreds of duece snowplows in service around the state, without Federal stickers on the door, Will not have there registrations pulled in My lifetime.

I can however appreciate Your point.

Kiwi

[Elwenil]

Actually, that is my thinking also, and the basis for the argument that their disqualification based on the lack of federal certification is not valid or legal. They can say it's not able to be titled because it is a foreign vehicle but if it meets the specs and federal DOT as well as US Customs has no issue with it, then no state should either. I really would like to know what sparked this whole deal anyway. Probably some smartassed Wisconsin official who got his parking space taken by a Pinz owner.

[Kiwipushrod]

Or,....Some Pinz owner, who insisted on His title/registration saying 1973' Pinzauer, because He thought that would make it hold it's value better:D

Everything and more, that You could ever want to know, about Wisconsin Vehical eqiupment/registration laws.

http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/lawbook.htm

Kiwi