well everyones talking about the 4bt and isuzu... heres something different. I installed a 3-53 detroit diesel in an 82 cj-7. with a t-19 transmission and a dana 300 has been the best thing the poor old jeep has ever had ....plenty of power and it gets 34 mpg.....:D its not a show rig by any means ... the hole thing took about a week from draining the rad to filling it back up for the diesel .. used the stock fuel tank and lines from the tank .. used the factory radiator.....even put my flow master back on ....( 2 stroke and flow master sounds cool )will get some pics up soon.....

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Is it supercharged? THat is sweet. How much power does that thing put out? How heavy is it?

Screamin Jimmy :smokin:

well its rated at 110 hp and bout 900lbs... 3 cyl 2 stroke supercharged:smokin:

moremoremore:D

moremoremore:D

have some vid of it in action ... try to get it on here

it has to be supercharged or it wont run.


the charger is not for making power like a 4stroke. 4strk can suck air because they have intake and exhaust valves, this only has exhaust valves.

the quetsion is wheres the turbo?


a buddy has a 4/53 turboed with 4x over sized injectors, make 375-425 hp and 7-900 ftlb. if he cruises it get 35+mpg, getting it goes right back down to 6-8mpg

it has to be supercharged or it wont run.


the charger is not for making power like a 4stroke. 4strk can suck air because they have intake and exhaust valves, this only has exhaust valves.

the quetsion is wheres the turbo?


a buddy has a 4/53 turboed with 4x over sized injectors, make 375-425 hp and 7-900 ftlb. if he cruises it get 35+mpg, getting it goes right back down to 6-8mpg

no turbo ... for what it is its fine .... can run 70 on the highway and still get 34mpg....

here it is pulling a chevy up a hill at the local spot....http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e27/ronniepassmore/?action=view&current=memorialday08.flv
the hummer or the dodge couldnt do it so I did

what did your motor come from?

pump station, generator, vehicle?

what did your motor come from?

pump station, generator, vehicle?

wonder bread truck .. got motor and trans

Cool vid, gota love a screamn jimmy! All it needs now is a set of jakes!

best part of that vid, that motors only turning 2500-3000 rpm.

best part of that vid, that motors only turning 2500-3000 rpm.

2650 max on this one...I've sense got some 44" swampers and full hydro steer..its the shit ...:smokin:

how much did you pick up the motor and trans for? I am contemplating putting a diesel in my yj so any info would be cool.

well the truck I got it from was a give me .... one of those take it or its going to the scrap yard things.... have seen some on E bay for bout 900.00 .. the same motor was used in the Gamma Goat......

if you dont know about these motor you had better do alot of research, they are completely differnet thant anything you have messed with before.

That is way cool. My old Peterbilt had the 8V-71N DD in it. How badly does the 3-53 leak?

Oh, and for those that don't know what the numbers are: 1st number-Cylinders (if there is a V it indicates, duh, a V type engine, no letter it is an inline. The last number is the Cubic Inches per cylinder. If there is a letter at the end it will either be a 'N'- normally aspired (often omitted), or 'T'-turbocharged, or TA -turbocharged/aftercooled

Example: 6-71N 6 cylinder (inline), 71 CI per cylinder, normally aspired
16V-71TA 16 cylinder (V block), 71 CI per cylinder, Turbo/Aftercooler

this motor really does not leak that bad ... has a weep hole on the pass side and it dribbles a bit but nothing that bad

what gears do you have in it with the engine maxing at at 2600 rpms

this motor really does not leak that bad ... has a weep hole on the pass side and it dribbles a bit but nothing that bad

Yup. My 8V-71 would leak mostly around the 'stamped' valve covers. I routinely carried 5 gallons of oil to keep it 'topped off' between the monthly oil changes.

Best of luck with the 'screamin' Detroit!!!!

Edit: On a side note, I wonder how difficult it would be to adapt a NV4500 or ZF 6 speed to the 3-53... Those 2-strokes love lots of gears to keep them in them 'screamin'....

the 2 strokes "leak" on purpose to keep the airbox from filling up and causing the engine to run away

Very nice engine swap, I like to see different engines used. I have had a lot of quality wrench time on the old Detroits kinda miss it sometimes,,,,Yeah Right! what the heck am I thinking.

:smokin:

Sweet video :smokin:

what gears do you have in it with the engine maxing at at 2600 rpms

well it has 456 in the axles . 7.61 to 1 first gear in the trans and a 4to1 kit in the transfercase....

and tha tvid was like 2nd gear tcase 1:1

Nice , I just love the sound of the 353,sweet song. Have fun with that rig :smokin:

thats a bad ass vid. but i dont know if i believe the dodge or hummer couldnt do it being that they would be heavier and get better traction. but still a cool vid and i love the sound of that thing

thats a bad ass vid. but i dont know if i believe the dodge or hummer couldnt do it being that they would be heavier and get better traction. but still a cool vid and i love the sound of that thing

well I started at the bottom and the dodge and the hummer didnt have lockers and I do ....:D

That was badass, thats crazy to hear that motor in a cj. I'll keep that detroit in mind for if/when I decide to do a motor swap.

How much does that thing weigh and what front leafs are you using? my father had 3-53s in his skidders and the sound of them brings back many memories.

Awesome video and power plant, big'in. That's one heck of a little engine.

I know what type of motor im looking for on my next project:smokin:

That sounds sooo killer!

How much does that thing weigh and what front leafs are you using? my father had 3-53s in his skidders and the sound of them brings back many memories.

the motor is around 900 and the industrail t-19 is right at 200. the front springs are from a dodge ramcharger stock front .. they are 2 in longer than the jeep springs but they are 3/16 leafs instead of 1/4 and there are only 3 per pack . they hold the weight and less spring wrap :grinpimp:

holyshat dood, thats a fawking torque monster.

and that is a bear basics, add a turbo and it will nearly double, add bigger injectors or adjust the timing on them and you can get 250-300 hp and 6-800 ftlbs.

and that is a bear basics, add a turbo and it will nearly double, add bigger injectors or adjust the timing on them and you can get 250-300 hp and 6-800 ftlbs.

am looking for a turbo as we speak....

Detroits are awsome! I know where the same set up is that I could pick up and have thought to myself that it would be a good engine in my flatty. Kinda heavy but big torque is worth it.

you could save yourself some weight and get an aluminum block 353. I have 3 available at my work. (blocks only)

the shits about stuff like detroits is unless you get a buddy deal shit is fawking expensive.

since you offered up a block, the rest of the motor would need to be assembled and if ANY major component is wasted you might aswell just grab your ankles and let detroit slide every credit card you have between your cheaks.

been lucky so far...water pump is the only thing I've had to change ....cost be 150.00... only took 15 mins to put on

well luck ran out ... blew the dana 300 ......:shaking:

big'in have you had it run backwards yet?

big'in have you had it run backwards yet?

as a mater of fact yes.... yes I have ....:shaking:

Lol

way cool man. i've always wanted to put a detroit in something

well got the transfer case out and took it apart .... the low gear came loose from the input shaft..... its a Teralow 4to1 kit..... been really good till now ... called Teraflex and they told me it was an early design and that they have changed from a pressed gear to a welded gear... I got lucky .. they are gonna fix me up .. ship a new kit tuesday at no cost to me .....:D those guys rock

I've been thinking of putting a 3-53T in my Scout for some time just to be different. We had one in a yard dog and it would pull 60k container trailers constantly and sounded bad ass doing it. I always liked the way Detroits "marked" their terrority :grinpimp:

really it has been the best thing for me .... we like to putt up and down the steep hills around here and the detroit is great for that.....can play for a long while before I have to worry about fuel......+ i have a 20 gallon tank...always starts, never dies when it gets wet and if my alt go's out big deal .. push start it and drive it home ....when I first built it i had 36 swampers on it and it was easy going ..... could wheel most everything in high range ... but now that I'm sitting on 44 swampers... its a bit different...can still do alot of wheeling in high but sometimes its nice to slap it in low and just let it crawl up a hill......i really see no draw backs to the swap... its cool and everyone wants to know whats in it ..the down side is the low RPM range ... 2650 max on mine .. I could adjust it up but why ? it does great on the road , trails and mud.. and still gets 34 mpg :flipoff2:

am looking for a turbo as we speak....

Are you looking for a turbo that fits this application specifically or are you going to find one with a similar compressor map?

Does anyone know what boost the 3-53T models typically run at?

This project is freaking awesome and has me thinking about doing something similar.:evil:

Are you looking for a turbo that fits this application specifically or are you going to find one with a similar compressor map?

Does anyone know what boost the 3-53T models typically run at?

This project is freaking awesome and has me thinking about doing something similar.:evil:

well would like to find the turbo that is made for it but who knows...... might getv a wild hair up my ass and make a set up....:smokin:

really like your build have a couple of questions. did you plate the frame any when mounting the detroit . also would a ford t-18 bolt up to that bellhousing and hold up to the power, what axles are you running

That engine with a turbo has a wicked sound to it, you'll be needing ear plugs if you want to retain any hearing at all!

really like your build have a couple of questions. did you plate the frame any when mounting the detroit . also would a ford t-18 bolt up to that bellhousing and hold up to the power, what axles are you running

no I did not plate the frame ...only reason I used the t-19 was it came with it I'm sure the t-18 would be fine if you could get one to bolt up.. the bolt pattern is common ... ..14 rear and a 60 front..456 locked both ends....dana 300 with a 4 to 1..... didnt see any reason to plate the frame ....seems to be holding up good....:D

Ah I love the sound of those old detroits. I used to rebuild their big brothers (6 and 8v71's) in a past life. I still have a few connections for injectors and turbos. PM me if you're interested.

well its been in there for 6 months now and still going strong.... the 44 swampers make this thing just stomp on everything .. and with the diesel in it it still has plenty of power..... hope fuel prices keep going down.... $3.09 here.. guess I'm lucky that the cops around here dont hassel me .. 44's no fenders, full hydro steer....most people say you cant drive hydro on the street .. hell it drives better now then it did before the hydro.....

only read page 1 so far, way cool
back to page 2-3:D

Falking AWSOME!

Man I watched the video, that thing is a little beast! I'm impressed.

Ohhhh man this thing is sexy. I might just have to do this swap when the 225 in my yeep and the one under my work bench give up the ghost.

sweet setup and the sound...wow. :smokin:

She's a screamer all right! If you run an older skidder or porter you'd feel right at home.

Slap a 60 series in next!:D

I worked at a truck stop back in the 70s you always knew the driver with the Detroit, when he got out he would tell you fill it with oil and check the fuel! Glad to see somebody try something other than the ubiquitous chevy transplants that are a dime a dozen, that everybody feels they have to do a write up when they do theirs

I worked at a truck stop back in the 70s you always knew the driver with the Detroit, when he got out he would tell you fill it with oil and check the fuel! Glad to see somebody try something other than the ubiquitous chevy transplants that are a dime a dozen, that everybody feels they have to do a write up when they do theirs


It's wayyyyyyyyyyyy cool:smokin:

Not something I would likely do, no idea how to workon a diesel, or find one of those.......I would do the chevy, or buy this already done:D
Love the sound, makes me smile this big:D not this small:)

got in a big mud hole the other day and had to rock back and forth to get out ... everyone around the mud pit said they could feel the ground shake as we were giving her hell :smokin:

Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick that's cool, there's a 3-53 in the shop at school that would go nice in the Sploder...

Slap a 60 series in next!:D

And you sir are a sick son of a bitch....:laughing: might as well just build links off the block and ride a valve cover :smokin:

well would like to find the turbo that is made for it but who knows...... might getv a wild hair up my ass and make a set up....:smokin:

Send me a PM. I think I can come up with the numbers for you.

turbo and would love to find a set of jakes for it too :D

PM replied with a PM:smokin:

Jake from one side of a 6v-53 will fit

Jake from one side of a 6v-53 will fit

well I guess i will have to find 2 6V-53's then... one for my 94 f350 crew cab 4x4 and a donor for jakes....man I gotta get lookin :eek:

The 79 F-250 with a 6V-53 on youtube is pretty badass

The 79 F-250 with a 6V-53 on youtube is pretty badass

have seen it ... I want mine to have all the factory comfortsd like a/c .. what can I say ...its nice to roll up the windows and let the mud fly :D

Sweet, My only experience with the 2 stroker is with the 6v53 and quite a few 8v92. Built many a 8v and 2 6vs. Love the screamin' bastards.
Had a 6v "run away" whilst breaking it in on a rolling test stand!! But that's another story for another thread.
Love the build.

Dude your rig is soo badass, love the sound, i have worked on several 2 strokes in the past but i would never tell my boss that they are really not that much fun to overhaul, do us all a favor and post more videos

Sweet, My only experience with the 2 stroker is with the 6v53 and quite a few 8v92. Built many a 8v and 2 6vs. Love the screamin' bastards.
Had a 6v "run away" whilst breaking it in on a rolling test stand!! But that's another story for another thread.
Love the build.

had this one run away too ... been playin in the mud and got i bit to much on the air filter.........at the last of the vid....... had to bail and trip the air shut off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZdYIfvLFKo

yeah I would have bailed too.... that would be enough to make you crap yourself. Looks like she sucks a little oil eh?

Dude, I put a 4BT in my YJ, but I do love the sound and torque of a JIMMY.
Thats sweet.

yeah I would have bailed too.... that would be enough to make you crap yourself. Looks like she sucks a little oil eh?

yep..... after that I got to looking around the engine and noticed the air filter covered in mud......took it off and ran like a new one .... took it home cleaned it out and we were good to go

First runaway ive seen on video, crazy. Did you try the fuel-stop lever or just go for the trap door cable?

Its not very good on the blower seals to trip the door but you gotta do what you gotta do and the door will not alway stop it if it doesnt seal good.

Are you using CF-2 oil? Delo 100 or similar?

I am going to put a Co2 system in my truck, I have a small bottle for my kegerator that will pull double duty, it will go to a intake fitting before the blower and wil be my first line of defense. These engines will injest most things people use to try to kill them so if you remove the O2 no more run-a-way.

Heres my wreck :smokin:

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I run straight 40 wt.....kendall.......hell to start when its cold outside.....fixing to install ether injection for those cold mornings....:D

well we have our first real casualty....... broke my bell housing in 2... bout half way back from the engine.....now I have to tracke donw another on ... this should be fun......:shaking:... ok guys here we go .... 3-53 detroit diesel with a t-19 trans.... 1 piece bell housing.. this is not an ASE housing.. anyone got any ideas ????.. I'll try to get some pics up asap

Big'in, was the video of you pulling that chevy up the hill, at gruber?

The video was a little blurry but it looked like this thing puts out a lot of smoke, wouldn't it be benefical to have stack something that would follow the back tube of your cage and exited a little above where the cage ends. It could have been something else since I don't recall seeing smoke on the vid where you are pulling the truck up, love your jeep great build diesels rule. One more thing could you install a guillotine on the intake like the trucks that do competion pulls?

Big'in, was the video of you pulling that chevy up the hill, at gruber?

nope it was at chandler..... powerline hill

The video was a little blurry but it looked like this thing puts out a lot of smoke, wouldn't it be benefical to have stack something that would follow the back tube of your cage and exited a little above where the cage ends. It could have been something else since I don't recall seeing smoke on the vid where you are pulling the truck up, love your jeep great build diesels rule. One more thing could you install a guillotine on the intake like the trucks that do competion pulls?

well that day was a bit muddy and my air filter was soaked..... started sucking oil from the crank case.... usually doent smoke .... and it has a air shut off ... but I had not hooked up the cable yet ... thats why I jumped out to flip it manually.. should have hooked up the cable before that...... :shaking: never thought I would need it

You have a really cool project their.

I am new here, and I tried sending you a PM, but it never showed up in sent mail. Did you receive a PM from me?

I want to undertake a similar project but with a full size jeep. Their are not many people who installed 3-53's in Jeep's so you are a great resource

K-TRON

get me a pic of the entire housing, my buddy may have a spare.




im glad this got btt, i am getting a 6v53n for my new 56 chevy 2ton.

You have a really cool project their.

I am new here, and I tried sending you a PM, but it never showed up in sent mail. Did you receive a PM from me?

I want to undertake a similar project but with a full size jeep. Their are not many people who installed 3-53's in Jeep's so you are a great resource

K-TRON


click his name, PMs are enabled, but he may not check them
email him

sorry guys been busy fabing an adapter to put a different bell housing on....

Any luck getting a new bellhousing?
How did you break it anyways?
rockclimbing?

I am pretty much set on using a Detroit Diesel.

I wanted to ask you a few questions,
How has it been reliability wise (engine/drivetrain)

How is accelerating?
Is your T18/T19 a good match with the Detroit, or would a NV4500 / 3053A be a better choice?

Do you have any other videos of your vehicle. Like idling or an inside cab driving video?
I am really interested in seeing how the engine fits in your Jeep now that the engine is all installed.

I visited a guy in upstate New York who has a 3-53T in his 1984 Chevy K10 and the engine look small in his car, but again his vehicle is like 2 ft wider than the Jeep front end. He had a few 3-53's and 4-53's lying around the garage, they are huge engines.

I was looking at the engine and I think it wouldnt fit height wise in a stock Jeep.
I think I would need to put a 4-6" lift just to get the engine to fit in comfortably, maybe more because I want to have jakes on my engine, meaning I need the taller valve covers.

K-TRON

well have no problems with the motor at all ..... as far as taking off well its a 3 cyl on 44's and a four speed ... not really sure what you expect.... it takes off decent...... usually take off in 2nd .... it runs out at 2600 rpm bout 65 mph...... better that a blazer I had with a 6.2 in it.....it is tight under the hood... the breather tube rubs the hood... had to turn my oil pan around.... as far as lift... mine really does not have a bunch.... the pan fit nicely behind the front axle.....got room in front of the motor .... the trans is about where it was ... kept the transfer case in the same spot so I would'nt have to rework the drive shafts.....these things are HEAVY.... but if you plan for it it's no problem.....

I've got an 84 CJ-8 Scrambler and I'm planning to drop in an aluminum 3-53 from a Gama goat. if i can't find a deal for around 700 -800 then ill get one from a warehouse in Chicago for 1500.

Big'in, do you ahve any more pictures of your swap? i really want to see your engine mounts and more pictures of your new setup.

and definitely let us know how your bellhousing repair went!!

The aluminum 3-53 only weighs about 50-100 pound less than the cast iron counter part. Plus they had cylinder leakage problems between the sleeves and the block. I have a few 3-53 aluminums at work, but not sure of the condition, at least one of them are in a military surplus container, but missing the injectors. The boss will not let it go for cheap though.

Bigin has a whole bunch of pictures of his build here:
http://s36.photobucket.com/albums/e27/ronniepassmore/?action=view&current=jeepjunk006.jpg

I changed my mind about a 3-53 jeep swap.
I ended up buying a 320HP 6v53T Detroit Diesel out of an M551 Sheridan Tank.
I have been restoring it to the best of my ability. You can check out my progress here:
http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?11614-My-6V53T
I have a ton of pictures uploaded. I hope to get my Detroit running by summer time. I plan on putting it into an F550 or so - I havent made up my mind yet.

Chris

not a whole lot of pople around anymore who know who to work on them babies. I can run the rack on one but that's about the extent of my knowledge. When I was in tech school the series 60's were just coming out.

Keep a CO2 fire extinguisher handy, it will stop a run away. And watch out for it running backwards, it will run forever but the oil pump doesn't work in reverse

You can also stop a run away by cutting off the air.
On many natural aspirated industrial engines, there is an air shut off flap just before the blower. You flip that to shut the air. That will stop the engine pretty quickly. The only downside is that this can suck the blower seals (gaskets) into the engine. It can be cleaned up much easier then restoring a runaway engine.
You can also keep a block of wood or steel ready to cover the turbocharger inlet or the blower intake.

The aluminum gamma goat engines look almost identical to the 3-53 NA industrial engines. However the aluminum goat engines have a different flywheel housing, and they have two oil pickup lines.

I know two guys running 3-53's in there trucks, other than Bigin.
Lawrence Shafer has an aluminum 3-53 with a turbo slapped on, in a toyota pickup
Jim Clarke up by me in Wilton NY, has a 3-53T in his chevy pickup. For 100hp, it is actually quite fast. It is a light truck, I think he said it was 4500lbs. I really enjoyed the 45 minute ride he gave me in his truck. You can really feel that Detroit power. It rocks the cab quite a bit at idle, but once the engine starts revving, it is smooth as anything. The sound is incredible at 1900rpm and 70mph.

Chris

what about the v8 detroits..........how can I bolt one up to a c6 that is behind my 351W ?
will that motor pull my 7500lb bronco?
at 55-65mph?

what about the v8 detroits..........how can I bolt one up to a c6 that is behind my 351W ?
will that motor pull my 7500lb bronco?
at 55-65mph?


an 8V-71 weights just about the same as the moon and is almost as big

an 8V-71 weights just about the same as the moon and is almost as big

damn!

seeing as how 8v 71/92 have been powering fire engines, 20 ton boats, and countless other huge vehicles i think you cupcake bronco will be just fine.



and it will be 8500-9000lbs with a 8v.


i did find a 8v53 in a old mack truck but it had burnt and i was going to bother with it.

seeing as how 8v 71/92 have been powering fire engines, 20 ton boats, and countless other huge vehicles i think you cupcake bronco will be just fine.



and it will be 8500-9000lbs with a 8v.


i did find a 8v53 in a old mack truck but it had burnt and i was going to bother with it.

:(:(:(

but but, I think an 8v-71 is cheasper then a cummis 24v
but that seems too heavy for me:mr-t:

The 8V's are roughly about 1600-1750 pounds or more. If anyone is interested I have several distressed 6V53's in military surplus containers for $500 ea. plus shipping at work. They need F/W housings and governors as well as anything else the military decided to smash to take out of service to sell to the public.

Maybe Seabass was referring to a 6.2/6.5/8.2, but those arent really Detroit Diesels. :shaking:


Chris

Maybe Seabass was referring to a 6.2/6.5/8.2, but those arent really Detroit Diesels. :shaking:


Chris
no
I ment detroit diesel:grinpimp:

The 8V's are roughly about 1600-1750 pounds or more. If anyone is interested I have several distressed 6V53's in military surplus containers for $500 ea. plus shipping at work. They need F/W housings and governors as well as anything else the military decided to smash to take out of service to sell to the public.

id like to see some pics, i might want some parts off of them, turbos, air inlets and exhaust maniflods.....

Is that mister "2 tons of fun" reporting :)

How is your 1956 6v53N project going?
I havent seen any updates on 4btswaps.

I hope to talk to you when I get my 6v53T restored and running. I want to put my 6v53T into something, maybe a 1.5-2ton. I dont know

Chris

id like to see some pics, i might want some parts off of them, turbos, air inlets and exhaust maniflods.....

let me know what your email is and I will send a couple pictures of how they look.

Is that mister "2 tons of fun" reporting :)

How is your 1956 6v53N project going?
I havent seen any updates on 4btswaps.

I hope to talk to you when I get my 6v53T restored and running. I want to put my 6v53T into something, maybe a 1.5-2ton. I dont know

Chris

dead till i buy some parts, im going to get octomogs front axle a a skinny 14bff, should come ouot nice with the adapters for the 22.5"s

The detroit is a sweet engine.

My dad has been running a 6v53 in a 66 chevy pickup for about 40 years now. He hasn't done a lot of wheeling since the engine weighs so much. In the early years he would do exhibition truck pulls and stuff like that but not a lot of offroading.

The engine produces a lot of torque and I have seen how destructive this can be. I watched him break a 14bff axle shaft like it was a pencil, twist several drive shafts in two, and even broke the frame on one side of the truck because of the twisting.

Right now he has it set up for running on the road and the occasional pulling of a trailer. At about 80mph the detroit is just humming and it will just about put you to sleep.

It's been a couple of years since I had a chance to drive the old truck but listening to that video really makes me miss it.

new rig, toyota pu
looking into diesels again, remembered this thread
did not remember these being 900 lbs
cummins 4b is 800
still too heavy for me:(
but still cool:)
link to video doesn't work, just goes to pics, lots of them, too many to sift through