http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/bfg_krawler/preview/DSC00015.jpg



is this going to be the final design???:confused:

its not to bad. hopefully they will have more side wall treads.

umm dont count on it

:flipoff2:
Hope not. Looks like a turd. Too directional without enough big lugs. C'mon BFG, get with the fawkin program.

If it ain't Interco, it's fawkin crap!

:flipoff2:

:rolleyes: Looks like a damn semitruck tire. That dosent look like it will do well at all. In mud, rocks or the sand. *shrug*
Kinda funny, there are a few big companies trying to apease us. But they simply Dont have a Clue what crawlin is all about! There should be a company started by us crawlers, for us crawlers. We know what we want, and we dont need a over paied collage grad. telling us thats its not. The few places that are just what we want are Far to expensive for anyone making less then $50 an hour to purchace anything. :cool:
Interco is the only game in town, and they have damn decent prices. When will other companies figure this Shait out?
Give us Big, beefy, long lasting, and cheap and we will snap it up!
F'ck the rubicon wrangler. A 30,000 pos with NO warrenty if you take it off road. *read the fine print, its void if driven off the street. F'ing rip off..* On the right track, but not worth it. Offroad Packages. Cool! But who the hell takes thier 2002 Chevy off road? :rolleyes: Damn, sorry this tured into a rant.

Originally posted by SMC
:rolleyes: Looks like a damn semitruck tire. That dosent look like it will do well at all. In mud, rocks or the sand. *shrug*
Kinda funny, there are a few big companies trying to apease us. But they simply Dont have a Clue what crawlin is all about! There should be a company started by us crawlers, for us crawleInterco is the only game in town, and they have damn decent prices.


You're gonna feel like a retard when you realize that the 1st place team in RCAA right now is running these BFG Krawlers.


:rolleyes:

Was that a smack I heard? I think so;) Ya BFG Krawlers suck ass:shaking:

Originally posted by desertCJ
Was that a smack I heard? I think so;) Ya BFG Krawlers suck ass:shaking:

I felt that all the way over here :D

Originally posted by MudYoTa


You're gonna feel like a retard when you realize that the 1st place team in RCAA right now is running these BFG Krawlers.


:rolleyes:

No shit, wish I could get my hands on a set! Regardless of the final design these things are gonna rock.

Originally posted by MudYoTa


You're gonna feel like a retard when you realize that the 1st place team in RCAA right now is running these BFG Krawlers.


:rolleyes:

Bawahahahahaha :D

And the second place team, who is first in ERoCC;)

Did I hear a beatdown going on here? :D

I know about all the bad asses running them but I probably wont. They do seem to stick to rocks but I think the people that are running them and doing so well are just talented drivers. I think they would be in the top 3 or so even if they were running Dunlop All Terrains.

Anyway, I wont have them cause I cant afford to replace torn side walls. Unless they prove to be as tough as they are sticky, I wont be able to afford them.

Also, Ken and Mike arent exactly proving their toughness, they drive so damn good! I wanna see jo blow take them through the shit your not SUPPOSED to hit and see if they hold up.

Three things I would like to know about the Krawlers:
1. What is the durometer reading on those puppies?
2. What is the really diameter of the 37 inchers when aired up?
3. What is the real loaded radius when they are aired down?

Does anyone know what every happened to M/T and their sticky Bajas that were supposed to use drag strip compound? I had a friend that tested them and said they were sticky but the sidewalls would roll under them. He also thought that M/T had given up on them.

Originally posted by TyTy
Anyway, I wont have them cause I cant afford to replace torn side walls.

When you hear about a Krawler tearing a side wall you let me know :shaking: Those suckers are thick like your belly :flipoff2:

well, Dan at TOR had 2 krawlers get punctured, one in the sidewall and one in the tread. He also has a set of 38x12.50 TSLs to compare them to and from what he told me he like the size and tread pattern of the krawlers better than the TSLs

Originally posted by r-sparky-h


is this going to be the final design???:confused:



Probably not, but personally I like that one better than any of the other possible designs I've seen. If I was building a "trail" rig, I'd go for a set of those.

TEX

Originally posted by TR
well, Dan at TOR had 2 krawlers get punctured, one in the sidewall and one in the tread. He also has a set of 38x12.50 TSLs to compare them to and from what he told me he like the size and tread pattern of the krawlers better than the TSLs

Details???? How????

Originally posted by MudYoTa


You're gonna feel like a retard when you realize that the 1st place team in RCAA right now is running these BFG Krawlers.


:rolleyes:


The top three in RCAA are on BFG Krawlers
1. SHAFFER
2. SHUPE
3. GILLELAND
:flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


When you hear about a Krawler tearing a side wall you let me know :shaking: Those suckers are thick like your belly

I wasent aware that they were any/ much thicker than BFG Mud Terrains. IF that is the case, they will fucking suck. Nobody can tell me that BFG mud terrains hold up well, I have seen WAY to many of them tear in bitch wheelin scenarios.

Im gonna put my money in a good set of swampers. I have faith in ply's, not web rumor:flipoff2:

(Now, if they're thick as my belly....:D )

Originally posted by MIKE S



The top three in RCAA are on BFG Krawlers
1. SHAFFER
2. SHUPE
3. GILLELAND
:flipoff2:

Like I said, I have seen shupe drive and them mofo's would be doing well if they were runnin Dunlop A/T's. They can just drive, period.

Originally posted by TyTy


Like I said, I have seen shupe drive and them mofo's would be doing well if they were runnin Dunlop A/T's. They can just drive, period.

He cut a bfg mud at this event and guess what? He didn't win! I'll bet he is on the Krawlers again for the next event.

I cut an MTR at each of the last 2 events. Both were brand new! Swampers will take the abuse.

Originally posted by TyTy


Like I said, I have seen shupe drive and them mofo's would be doing well if they were runnin Dunlop A/T's. They can just drive, period.

He cut a bfg mud at this event and guess what? He didn't win! I'll bet he is on the Krawlers again for the next event.

I cut an MTR at each of the last 2 events. Both were brand new! Swampers will take the abuse.

Originally posted by TyTy


Like I said, I have seen shupe drive

Well then you must have seen him drive Saturday when he ran the BFG MT/km 37" tire. He cut one and couldn't get it changed, 40 points on the timeout and it cost him the competition.

Needless to say he switched to the Krawlers that night and drove all day Sunday w/o a cut tire. I talked with him, Krawler sidewalls are at least twice as thick as the BFG MT/kms. He's never cut a Krawler, only ran the MT/km tires because the BFG rep asked him to. Needless to say he wasn't too happy with the MT/KM durability(or the timeout).

Originally posted by TyTy


I wasent aware that they were any/ much thicker than BFG Mud Terrains. IF that is the case, they will fucking suck. Nobody can tell me that BFG mud terrains hold up well, I have seen WAY to many of them tear in bitch wheelin scenarios.

Im gonna put my money in a good set of swampers. I have faith in ply's, not web rumor:flipoff2:

(Now, if they're thick as my belly....:D )

I remember back in '95-'96, when my YJ was pretty new, BFG MT's were known as being very tough tires. Now, are they made differenty now (Weaker), or did the higher caliber of wheeling/terrain just overwhelm them?

Those crawlers rock big time. I heard they'd be releasing them in about 4 months btw. If they were out right now and at a good price i would have bought a set. But no way was i going to buy some mtrs or bfg's after I saw so many torn tires lately.
later
bob
p.s. 38 tsl's going on this afternoon! gumbo's suck!

Originally posted by nobody20
1. What is the durometer reading on those puppies?........


Exactly.....more to it than just the tread design....besides, that's what grooving irons are for:cool:

Originally posted by Welby


I remember back in '95-'96, when my YJ was pretty new, BFG MT's were known as being very tough tires. Now, are they made differenty now (Weaker), or did the higher caliber of wheeling/terrain just overwhelm them?

I think it might be a combination of harder terrain, more capable trucks, YOUR wheeling has probably become more extreme, etc...



I just dont have the mula to be running thinner ply tires for whatever reason. I wanna see a # of plys on the crawlers before I would even consider running them. Yes, I have seen how well these guys do with them, but you also have to look at WHY they are running them. It definatly IS NOT cause they just up and said...Ha, this is the best tire out there. It is cause they got sponsors that allow them to have the nice bugies. Id be willing to bet that BFG is a BIG contributor too.

For me, it's kinda like micheal jordan, I think he could play just as good in a pair of Reeboks as he could in Nike's. But if you ask him what shoe he likes the best, what do you expect him to say?
:D

Originally posted by TyTy


I just dont have the mula to be running thinner ply tires for whatever reason.

According to my records you don't have the mula to run sh!t. So shut up web wheeler and go look at your pile of parts :flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


According to my records you don't have the mula to run sh!t. So shut up web wheeler and go look at your pile of parts :flipoff2:

My shiat will be up and running by August 16th. I am doing the steering this weekend and then it is odds and ends. I have off from the 6th to the 16th, after that it is hepp eatin time:D

Originally posted by TyTy


after that it is hepp eatin time:D

I don't know why you'd want to eat some guy with hepatitus (hepp as you call it) but whatever :rainbow:

So you'll be running legends in Sept????:flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


Details???? How????

if i remember correctly it was a rock. but he patched it with tire plugs and kept on going, then BFG sent him 2 new tires with the same pattern but the center lugs where cut in half. to those who went to eroccs his truck was the blue CJ-7 with the slinky 3 link rear suspention and Tennessee Off Road.com stickers on the sides of it.

I have a set of Krawlers. In the past Ive had several bad experiences with BFG MTs. So I put them on my rig thinking that I was going to hate them, but I was pleasantly surprised after the second trail I did. I like them better than my 37" MTRs and a hell of a lot better than my 38.5 SXs. I have experienced better traction and the side walls are very strong. The tires have been on the Jeep now for 2 months. The trails that I have ran with them are The Hammers, Cedar City, Independence, Calamity and other small trails. If I could I would get another set. :)

Originally posted by bigdude
So you'll be running legends in Sept????:flipoff2:

Actually no, full hydro steering is not allowed:D

Originally posted by jp junkie
I have a set of Krawlers. In the past Ive had several bad experiences with BFG MTs. So I put them on my rig thinking that I was going to hate them, but I was pleasantly surprised after the second trail I did. I like them better than my 37" MTRs and a hell of a lot better than my 38.5 SXs. I have experienced better traction and the side walls are very strong. The tires have been on the Jeep now for 2 months. The trails that I have ran with them are The Hammers, Cedar City, Independence, Calamity and other small trails. If I could I would get another set. :)

Now that sounds good!

Krawlers are 4 PLY SIDEWALLS, just like a Swamper. :p

Originally posted by reddwarf


Exactly.....more to it than just the tread design....besides, that's what grooving irons are for:cool:

Until you get to a competition & find that the tire rule is "Unmodified DOT tires only" ;)


TEX

As usual, I'm lookin' for suggestions on what to put on my project. When finished, she'll be able to run 42" tires, what do you guy's think? I don't know if I want to run that tall, I'm thinkin' 37" tires. Swampers, BFG, what's the best?

Originally posted by Sluice Sally
As usual, I'm lookin' for suggestions on what to put on my project. When finished, she'll be able to run 42" tires, what do you guy's think? I don't know if I want to run that tall, I'm thinkin' 37" tires. Swampers, BFG, what's the best?

Ummmmm, how come you didn't pick a tire size before you started suspension mods? :confused:

TEX

Like Lance said, the Krawlers have 4 ply sidewalls, the orientation is even skewed a little to behave like a Bias.

These suckers are close to 37" tall and are taller than my 38.5 TSL's.

Disney OK is one of the toughest places on tires I know of, Super swampers can be and are cut there on a regular basis (only place I've ever cut one)

I've had Krawlers there on 4 weekends now, one of which was the ProRock event. There were a few other vehicles running the Krawlers, no punctures. Mike Weaver and his sniper did put a huge gash in his 42" TSL though (About 15 plugs to limp through the last obstacle).

It's still early but I'd say the sidewalls are as tough as any of the 4 sets of swampers I've owned in the last 8 yrs.

Originally posted by G02Guy
Like Lance said, the Krawlers have 4 ply sidewalls, the orientation is even skewed a little to behave like a Bias.

These suckers are close to 37" tall and are taller than my 38.5 TSL's.

Disney OK is one of the toughest places on tires I know of, Super swampers can be and are cut there on a regular basis (only place I've ever cut one)

I've had Krawlers there on 4 weekends now, one of which was the ProRock event. There were a few other vehicles running the Krawlers, no punctures. Mike Weaver and his sniper did put a huge gash in his 42" TSL though (About 15 plugs to limp through the last obstacle).

It's still early but I'd say the sidewalls are as tough as any of the 4 sets of swampers I've owned in the last 8 yrs.

I stand corrected.

I still dont want them though.:D

when goodyear or bfg bring out the 39's then i will be ready to run em.... till then, im sticking with tsl's

Biggest problem I have with both the MTR and the Krawler is that they are too narrow. Wish they'd come out with a 37 X 14.5

i can understand that, i liked my wide tires, but the skinny one sure help in turning..... just run a wider axle or some spacers if you want more width

I don't understand the obsession with 37" tires. Why run the bare minimum for a class in competition.
If you want to run the smaller tires why not just run in the Legends class or the equivalent.
The last two competitions that I have been to have been won by guys running 42" swampers. ( EROCC-Troy Meyers and the RCAA sanctioned event in Alabama by a 16 year old in a Yota buggy)
Is it just a weight thing? Seems like the weight savings don't outweigh the added ground clearance.

Originally posted by 350Samurai
I don't understand the obsession with 37" tires. Why run the bare minimum for a class in competition.
If you want to run the smaller tires why not just run in the Legends class or the equivalent.
The last two competitions that I have been to have been won by guys running 42" swampers. ( EROCC-Troy Meyers and the RCAA sanctioned event in Alabama by a 16 year old in a Yota buggy)
Is it just a weight thing? Seems like the weight savings don't outweigh the added ground clearance.

I think the reason people run 37s (BFG or Goodyear) is more because it's a good tire and less because they want to save weight. When BFG offers the Krawler in a 39 you'll see the 37" guys from now sport them.

Also Troy is a great driver and Ken cut a tire (BFG MT/km). Factor the cut tire out and those 37s and 42s are running neck and neck. Maybe 42s just aren't needed? Sure the ground clearance is great, but can a good driver make up that difference??? I think he can.

350 sam- the yota buggy had smaller tires that really can't be compared to anything but a tractor tire the way they were cut.

Out west (and even in the midwest at times) if you look at the top finishers in most events there are few 44's and 42's or even 40's, (I'm referring to events that allow them. They seem to be favored and work better in the east where theres more slippage and slime. I don't want to start a flame war but most of the guys out east with their taller vehicles could not climp or keep right side up on the steep and off camber stuff in most of the comps. In a level boulder field the tall big tired rigs kick it but throw in steep stuff and big off camber and the roll cage is going to see lots of use.

If you built a custom rig that keeps the CG low and has big tires it's another story.

Just my .02- not trying to step on anyone

Originally posted by G02Guy

If you built a custom rig that keeps the CG low and has big tires it's another story.



That's the type of vehicle he was referencing.

the yota buggy had smaller tires that really can't be compared to anything but a tractor tire the way they were cut.
Those were actually 42" Swampers that were really cut a lot. I walked over and looked at them because we weren't sure what size they were either.

most of the guys out east with their taller vehicles could not climp or keep right side up on the steep and off camber stuff in most of the comps.
I don't know if you have been to any of the EROCC competitions, but they are notorious for off camber. The course designer has even said that off camber stuff is what seperates the men from the boys (I'm not quoting here). Troy Meyers runs 42" swampers on his buggy and he beat Shupe, Durham and a lot of good competiton.
The thing about it, even though it was a close competition, Troy seemed to win with much less effort. He had no more problems on off camber stuff than anyone else.

Originally posted by 350Samurai
The thing about it, even though it was a close competition, Troy seemed to win with much less effort. He had no more problems on off camber stuff than anyone else.

Comparing Troy to Shupe seems like apples to apples in my book. Both are finesse drivers and don't seem to spin tires very often. Last event I say they both did equally well and made things look easy, Battleship for example (both barely spun a tire), in spite of the tire size difference.

Now comparing either one of them to Chris is like apples to oranges because that boys just plain CRAZY:eek:

I just don't think 44s are necessary and they follow the law of diminishing returns when used in competition. Sure that little bit of ground clearance is great, but at what cost? Also check the diff clearance on these vehicles you reference at the next comp. Troy runs a potato digger in the back like myself, so perhaps 42s give him the same diff. clearance as the tall 37" Krawlers do on a 60 :idea:

I did not realize those yota buggy tires were formerly 42" TSL's- they just plain looked smaller.

Troy cleaning house is no surprise though- he's no dummy when it comes to building or driving. I wish I could make the coming ProRocks event at his place but I've got an annual work commitment I can't get out of. His vehicle is the type of custom low CG big tired rig that will kick it. 8 foot tall 100-100" wb rigs and their higher CG are going to flop.

Originally posted by 350Samurai

Those were actually 42" Swampers that were really cut a lot. I walked over and looked at them because we weren't sure what size they were either.


I don't know if you have been to any of the EROCC competitions, but they are notorious for off camber. The course designer has even said that off camber stuff is what seperates the men from the boys (I'm not quoting here). Troy Meyers runs 42" swampers on his buggy and he beat Shupe, Durham and a lot of good competiton.
The thing about it, even though it was a close competition, Troy seemed to win with much less effort. He had no more problems on off camber stuff than anyone else.


one thing bout troy's buggy is it is also wider than the others we have talked about........ didnt seem to hurt him though, shupe said hed be running 39's asap if they were available..... and i agre i want them tires in a bad way

one thing bout troy's buggy is it is also wider than the others we have talked about
It also looked like he had a little longer wheelbase. You don't know what it was do you?
One thing I did notice about Troys tires is that they folded over a lot, but I guess thats not a problem as long as it stays on the rim.

Originally posted by 350Samurai

It also looked like he had a little longer wheelbase. You don't know what it was do you?
One thing I did notice about Troys tires is that they folded over a lot, but I guess thats not a problem as long as it stays on the rim.

i beleive he told me 100 inch....... said hed like a little more but it is at 100..... in this sport you ARE allowed to stack rocks..... maybe the 37inch guys just do a little more stackin? i think both can work.... it comes down to knowing your vehicle

I'm pretty sure his latest ride is one of Shannon's Chassis. I don't know if Troy had it made longer/ wider. I think troy added the drivetrain himself.

Originally posted by G02Guy
I'm pretty sure his latest ride is one of Shannon's Chassis. I don't know if Troy had it made longer/ wider. I think troy added the drivetrain himself.


it is a shannon chassis, it was so front, elip rear........... now its coilover both ends......... im positive he said it was 100 even, may look longer due to the big tires and its low ride height



HEY TROY! hows it goin? thats for the lurkin TP bandits..... lol

Funny story. The guy that runs the offroad park at Disney, OK, Russ I think is his name. Seems like a nice guy, but when we were all showing up, he was acting like he was king rock crawler god. When Tracy Jordan showed up with his 37" tired Land Cruiser, Russ told him (word for word) "You might as well put that thing back on the trailer. Them little tires ain't gonna work here. This is 44" tire country." :laughing: Of course Tracy took him to school that weekend. ;)

Russ is a real nice guy, but the local heroes (you saw them, I'm sure) have huge rigs and 44's. I'd been up there the preceeding weeks smoking transmissions and getting used to Krawlers (too many years running bias tires).

All the talk was that the 44" guys were going to send the little guys packing- I just smiled.

Now with that said, on this event 3 of the top six did have 42-44" tires.

Yea, I ran Samurai with 35s for 3 years, and it hung with the "big boys", so I know the small tires work. I wish I had it when I was in Alabama, it would have fit right through most of the balls. Coulda had a shot at a paycheck. ;)

The guys that are sponsored by BFG and running comps get new tires every time they enter an event or so I was told while at the PRO Rock Event in Disney OK. Hell if all of us could have new tires every time we backed off the trailer we wouldn't have to worry about how well a tire takes the abuse of rockcrawling. I'll Keep my TSL's
As for Russ Hogan whose a personal friend, he'll tell ya that there's places there that are 44" territory and if you don't believe it go down there for a BIG MEAT run put on by the guys of Wagoner Machine, you guys on 37's will stay in camp. I've seen Russ's Hornet run many times and rode in it on a few occassions, what happened to Russ was a combination of some unfortunate events. But a nicer and more helpful guy you will never meet.
But granted the small tire guys can hang with the big dogs, my Blue Bitch on 34" TSL's holds with the guys on 38's on most any occassion, tires aren't the whole rig

I think that the 37's work because they are generally run with link suspensions, where the approach, and departure angles can be well over 90°. It doesn't really matter how tall your tire is, as long as it's the first thing to hit the rock.

Originally posted by jds4x43
The guys that are sponsored by BFG and running comps get new tires every time they enter an event


BFG gives them 18 tires per season, and a nice contigency program.

Let's get the sponsor thing correct. I am sponsored by BFG and have a set of 37" KM's and just got the Krawlers. Those are the only sets I have got from BFG. I don't know anyone who gets 18 sets. That would make no sense. The previous prototypes were sent out for testing. However, if your tires are not cut why would you want a new set. That being said, I would never run a brand new set in competition because the forward edge of the lug needs to be worn for better bite. Just my .02 cents see you at the "Super crawl. RUN DOG

I heard they are testing several different tread patterns (I heard three to be exact) so who knows what it will look like in the end....I wonder if they will be able to get them D.O.T. approved for the unfortunant few who only have one truck to wheel/commute. I still think I would stick with boggers or Tsls.

I'll stick with my 325/85R16 Michelin XMLs. All BFGs and the like rip up too easily.
Charlie

I don't blame anyone for holding loyalty to tires that have been good to them wether they are swampers (on my 6th set now) or Michelins. I like a fatter tire too but a lot drivers of the lighter comp rigs will tell you they can't make enough contact pressure with the fatties to hook up- My own rig is a little heavier (3720 on 38.5 TSL's/steel wheels or 3640 on Krawlers and Aluminum wheels- oh yeah- the Krawlers are taller too.) and seems to work well with either tire.

I will say that anyone who has reservations about the Krawler sidewalls need not worry- they are proven, holding up and 4 ply like all the other favorite tires. Do not lump them in with the mud terrain and all terrain experieinces.

BFG is looking at a 39 that will actually measure 39, if it is green lighted it would not be announced til '03- I want some.:D

Originally posted by Run dog
Let's get the sponsor thing correct. I am sponsored by BFG and have a set of 37" KM's and just got the Krawlers. Those are the only sets I have got from BFG. I don't know anyone who gets 18 sets. That would make no sense. The previous prototypes were sent out for testing. However, if your tires are not cut why would you want a new set. That being said, I would never run a brand new set in competition because the forward edge of the lug needs to be worn for better bite. Just my .02 cents see you at the "Super crawl. RUN DOG

well, first of all I said 18 TIRES, not sets. Second of all, I'm not talking about krawlers, i'm talking KM's. Maybe BFG just doesn't like you.

Originally posted by bigdude


When you hear about a Krawler tearing a side wall you let me know :shaking: Those suckers are thick like your belly :flipoff2:

Funny thing was, Shupe went to BFG Mud-Terrains 37x17 at the July ERoCC event... he tore a side wall on the M/T so on Day two, he went back to the Krawlers and had no problem.

He told me the reason he switched back to the Krawler was because he didn't have another spare for the M/T... I've been real impressed by the Krawler on the rocks, so far.

Originally posted by TR
well, Dan at TOR had 2 krawlers get punctured, one in the sidewall and one in the tread. He also has a set of 38x12.50 TSLs to compare them to and from what he told me he like the size and tread pattern of the krawlers better than the TSLs
I've got a flat ass TSL 38x12.50 on the back of my TJ with punctured side wall.

Punctured tires are gonna happen, I guess.