Simple question?

No, it might depend on location, but seeing your location I am pretty sure they are illegal

I have seen anyone prove that they are not street legal. Besides how many cops even know what they are?

They are illegal in the US due to the fact that they are not an error proof system of mounting. The DOT requires that a tire and wheel combination cannot come apart.They are also REALLY hard to balance. Most people who use them don't even bother attempting to balance the tire, since they never get above 5 mph.
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Some corporate asshole from goodyear tried telling me they were legal.

They are illegal in the US due to the fact that they are not an error proof system of mounting. The DOT requires that a tire and wheel combination cannot come apart.

Really? Link or BS :shaking:

Are you xoc? 6 posts down.. (http://www.automotiveforums.com/t30858.html). :flipoff2:

At least say why... here's why they can be legal but technically aren't. (http://www.4x4grace.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=98)

The issue is not that they are illegal, just that they aren't not legal.

They are illegal in the US due to the fact that they are not an error proof system of mounting. The DOT requires that a tire and wheel combination cannot come apart.They are also REALLY hard to balance. Most people who use them don't even bother attempting to balance the tire, since they never get above 5 mph.
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not only are you insanely wrong but your a fawking tard to boot.

they are hardER
to balance, sometimes!

the question of legality comes from wether they a re a dot aproved design/product.

11there are many 100% street legal beadlocks

2 h1 are dot approved and there is 0difference in design between them and at least 2 other dot approved wheels.


3 the "standard" rim that you will see on 99% of vehicles is not a error proof design by any means. especaily by your standard of CAN NOT COME APART. beadlocks like h1, hutchinsens and one other are MORE likely to stay together INCLUDING A 100% air loss, un like a typical wheel.

4 yes, some states have [like utah] have flat out banned beadlocks of ANY and ALL types dot approved or not. wtf their thought line is is beyond me.

5 it also stems from the piss poor design of the dreded split rims or 2pc rims of the 60's that relied on air presure to hold the bead and ring together, lose air and the rim could/would spit out dropping the tire and outer ring off.

This is a dead horse that is tired of being beaten...back in 2005, Scott at Rockstomper went on the Co4x4 forum and challenged us to prove beadlocks were not legal...I won that bet, a free $25 gift card, when I e-mailed the CO DOT and they contacted us...in the course of things they said "needs a DOT stamp."

My Champions have a DOT # stamped onto the back of them (the original Eagle 589's DOT stamp) thus, should I ever be ticketed (and I haven't been in 6 years of running them in CO and CA), I only need to point out the DOT stamp.

this all comes down to technicality...DOT doesn't "approve" anything, they only set test criteria and performance specifications...most beadlocks would out perform a standard rim in those tests...it's all set forth in the federal vehicle code.


at any rate, unless your rig is bouncing around like a POS I doubt they will even look at them.

I like this debate. So If I ever go to Utah, I should have full fender coverage and no beadlocks. Any thing else about legality of a 4x4 in the slick rock state.

There are so many threads and answers on this it'll make your head spin. Same thing with whether full hydro is legal.


at any rate, unless your rig is bouncing around like a POS I doubt they will even look at them.
Not to menion, with the fake beadlocks running around, I'd bet most cops wouldn't look twice.

How about the weld on kits...They are welded onto a DOT approved rim so does that make it a DOT approved wheel w/ beadlocks???

its not a question of weather bead locks are legal or not, its a question of if welding anything to your rims is legal or not ( if the OP is refering to weld on kits ), jason.

Why not just run these?
http://pirate4x4.com/productreviews/staun/index.php

I've been running my Walker Evans beadlocks for over 2 years on the street without any issues. It even passes Pa state inspection with them. They are not DOT approved either.

its not a question of weather bead locks are legal or not, its a question of if welding anything to your rims is legal or not ( if the OP is refering to weld on kits ), jason.

these are the people who do get hassled.

they have changed how the tire mounts and modified the rim in a way that the dot/manuf. did not intend, if wheel fails the first thing they will look at is who made the wheel and what failed on it.

if YOU the end user welded a ring to it and undercut the weld so bad that the outer half breaks off you will be in deep shit. when a company [like WELD] builds a product they submit it for dot compliance. after they were cleared they built the wheels shitty and they had to pay a bunch of money because there wheels failed and fucked up a bunch of shit.

Simple answer....

If they are DOT approved then they are legal. If they are not DOT approved they are not legal. If they are DIY beadlocks on a DOT approved rim they are not legal because the orginal product was modified. Any lawyer would have a field day in court with this.

But for the record, I run a set of DIY beadlocks with 37" Iroks. They run down the road fine (not cadillac smooth, but more then adequate), even without balancing, at highway speeds. Most cops don't even know what they are looking at to give you a ticket in the first place. More often then not they are taken in by the whole size of the rig, big tires, and all the custom armor and goodies to even notice them.

I ran threw a seat belt check last night and had 3 state troopers circling my crawler and they pointed out nearly every (minor)violation I had going but never once said anything about the beadlocks.

They are illegal in the US due to the fact that they are not an error proof system of mounting. The DOT requires that a tire and wheel combination cannot come apart.They are also REALLY hard to balance. Most people who use them don't even bother attempting to balance the tire, since they never get above 5 mph.
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interesting. i have diy 39 bolt beadlocks with 37's. i can do any speed up to 70mph (22re:laughing:), and never feel the slightest bit of wobble. and they're not balanced. as far as coppers go, they look similar to all the fake beadlocks you see all over the place. don't worry about it, unless you get pulled over by that "one" cop who wheels....

This is a dead horse that is tired of being beaten...back in 2005, Scott at Rockstomper went on the Co4x4 forum and challenged us to prove beadlocks were not legal...I won that bet, a free $25 gift card, when I e-mailed the CO DOT and they contacted us...in the course of things they said "needs a DOT stamp."

My Champions have a DOT # stamped onto the back of them (the original Eagle 589's DOT stamp) thus, should I ever be ticketed (and I haven't been in 6 years of running them in CO and CA), I only need to point out the DOT stamp.

this all comes down to technicality...DOT doesn't "approve" anything, they only set test criteria and performance specifications...most beadlocks would out perform a standard rim in those tests...it's all set forth in the federal vehicle code.


at any rate, unless your rig is bouncing around like a POS I doubt they will even look at them.

How did you win that bet? You just proved yourself wrong in the same post, at least you added something correct to this thread...there is no "department of giving out DOT stamps/certs". It is up to the manufacturer to decide if his product is up to code and it is up to him to mark it himself also.

My wheels have a "DOT" stamp. So do my weld on beadlocks. I read every single applicable fmvss, met every single standard set by the nhtsa, approved my locks, and stamped them myself in accordance. Totally 100% dot legal. Unless your particular state has a law specifically stating "no beadlocks", it's not illegal.

And jesus fuck, how many of these exact threads are there now?

if YOU the end user welded a ring to it and undercut the weld so bad that the outer half breaks off you will be in deep shit .

Expalin DEEP SHIT please.

Are you referring to potential civil liability should you be sued as a result of a failure causing a serious ( probably fatal to get the scrutiny you mention, in most states) accident? Or do the cops pull out the "deep shit" tickets they keep in the trunk for such occasions, even though few states have any legislation on the issue?The lack of a DOT stamp will, at most, get you ordered off of the road IF anyone ever looked for it or IF they even knew to look. Or is there some unpublished criminal code that results in you going to jail for having a failed bead lock and causing an accident as opposed to just being inattentive?

Adding a bead lock ring just removed the OE manufacturer of the rim from any liability should the rim fail and placed full liability on the user ( unless they can then pin it on a seperate modifier.) Unless the failure led to a catastrophic accident that will result in a civil dispute big enough to go to court over, the driver who wrecked due to a failed bead lock is in no more "deep shit" than a driver who looked away for a moment and rear-ended the car that was stopped in front of them. Be it an equipment failure or driver inattention unless impairment or intent issues are involved it will not matter penalty-wise in an accident.

Expalin DEEP SHIT please.

Are you referring to potential civil liability should you be sued as a result of a failure causing a serious ( probably fatal to get the scrutiny you mention, in most states) accident? Or do the cops pull out the "deep shit" tickets they keep in the trunk for such occasions, even though few states have any legislation on the issue?The lack of a DOT stamp will, at most, get you ordered off of the road IF anyone ever looked for it or IF they even knew to look. Or is there some unpublished criminal code that results in you going to jail for having a failed bead lock and causing an accident as opposed to just being inattentive?

Adding a bead lock ring just removed the OE manufacturer of the rim from any liability should the rim fail and placed full liability on the user ( unless they can then pin it on a seperate modifier.) Unless the failure led to a catastrophic accident that will result in a civil dispute big enough to go to court over, the driver who wrecked due to a failed bead lock is in no more "deep shit" than a driver who looked away for a moment and rear-ended the car that was stopped in front of them. Be it an equipment failure or driver inattention unless impairment or intent issues are involved it will not matter penalty-wise in an accident.

Its not painfully obvious?

What do you think would happen to a failed bead lock with a large 37"+ tire on a rock crawler like vehicle at road speeds? Nobody remembers the Ford Explorer / Bridgestone deal a few years back where sidewalls were blowing out left and right all within the same time period???

I imagine it would go something like.....

The beadlock fails. The outer half breaks off, your tire is lose and flopping around, possibly coming off the rim alltogether. The suspension and steering is out of control because its not meant to handle the kind of force being applied to it. More then likely due to vehicle height, tire size, and maybe axle width you will lose control of the vehicle. God willing you won't veer into oncoming traffic and just dive off into the woods. Maybe you do a barrel roll, and injure some family out for a sunday drive, as well as yourself.

Ontop of crazy hospital bills, lost work, and unpaid bills, you probably got tickets and will most likely be slapped with one hell of a civil suit in which you have to pay out BIG time, maybe even a wrongful death suit. In which case the lawyers will tear your rig apart finding out what was illegal to begin with, what failed, why it failed, and whos fault was it. What do you think they are gonna say when they see a DOT rim thats owner modified with a weld on bead lock? Who do you think they will point the finger at?

That would seem like a pretty accurate or at least possible explanation of "Deep Shit"

None of you fockers have insurance?

Explain how, outside of a large lawsuit ( one of the rare ones ( 2%?) not handled and/or settled by said insurance), how is a bead lock breaking any different than being at fault in any other accident?

Stuff like " who do you think they will point the finger at" is nonsensical. If you rear-end someone, who will they point the finger at? No shit, really? The person at fault, be it from equipment failure or whatever, gets a finger pointed at them? Thank you Capt. Obvious.

How is the beadlock any different than anything that you, the end user, have modified? Are you magically in deeper shit if your bead lock than if your high-steer breaks and, through some magical investigation that rarely occurs, they determine that you modified it? Who are these "they" that are getting you into deep shit?

Any time you modify anything, you remove the liability of the manufacturer. Duh. Why is everyone afraid of bead locks for this, but not any of the hundred other things we modify? If the spring on your new F250 breaks & causes an accident. A huge 6,000# truck, out of control, carnage ensues with hosiptal bills, lost wages, etc. FoMoCo may be liable. But you lifted it!!! OMG!!! You are in deep shit now!!! FoMoCo is no longer on the hook for what may have been a defective design in the first place. ( This is where that insurance stuff I mentioned helps)

What you are saying about bead locks applies to all mods and to the at fault person in an accident no matter what the cause of the accident. Or are there no hospital bills, lost wages, unpaid bills, or a poor oncoming family unless a bead lock was involved? No one gets hurt, gets a ticket, or misses work unless a bead lock was involved? :shaking:

If you guys took this opportunity to repeat, in a line or two, to never modify anything unless you are 100% certain of your ability to do so, that would be great.

None of you fockers have insurance?

Explain how, outside of a large lawsuit ( one of the rare ones ( 2%?) not handled and/or settled by said insurance), how is a bead lock breaking any different than being at fault in any other accident?

Stuff like " who do you think they will point the finger at" is nonsensical. If you rear-end someone, who will they point the finger at? No shit, really? The person at fault, be it from equipment failure or whatever, gets a finger pointed at them? Thank you Capt. Obvious.

How is the beadlock any different than anything that you, the end user, have modified? Are you magically in deeper shit if your bead lock than if your high-steer breaks and, through some magical investigation that rarely occurs, they determine that you modified it? Who are these "they" that are getting you into deep shit?

Any time you modify anything, you remove the liability of the manufacturer. Duh. Why is everyone afraid of bead locks for this, but not any of the hundred other things we modify? If the spring on your new F250 breaks & causes an accident. A huge 6,000# truck, out of control, carnage ensues with hosiptal bills, lost wages, etc. FoMoCo may be liable. But you lifted it!!! OMG!!! You are in deep shit now!!! FoMoCo is no longer on the hook for what may have been a defective design in the first place. ( This is where that insurance stuff I mentioned helps)

What you are saying about bead locks applies to all mods and to the at fault person in an accident no matter what the cause of the accident. Or are there no hospital bills, lost wages, unpaid bills, or a poor oncoming family unless a bead lock was involved? No one gets hurt, gets a ticket, or misses work unless a bead lock was involved? :shaking:

If you guys took this opportunity to repeat, in a line or two, to never modify anything unless you are 100% certain of your ability to do so, that would be great.


Its because they are illegal the price to pay is bigger. Its kind of like a gun, you shoot somebody with a legal gun and yeah theres shit to pay and investigation. You shoot somebody with an illegal gun and you are royally fucked. The big difference is that they are illegal. I don't imagine a jury would buy "I didn't know the gun was illegal" any more then "I didn't know the beadlocks were illegal and I didn't know how to install them" Insurance doesn't cover negligence, although neglicence is very very very hard to prove.

Not to be a cock, but bottom line they are illegal. I don't believe for a minute that some jury wouldn't hang any of our asses out to dry if our shit killed somebody as opposed to a stock jeep that broke down and did the same, and I imagine most people will agree with me. I have been wrong before tho.....

Its because they are illegal the price to pay is bigger. Its kind of like a gun, you shoot somebody with a legal gun and yeah theres shit to pay and investigation. You shoot somebody with an illegal gun and you are royally fucked. The big difference is that they are illegal. I don't imagine a jury would buy "I didn't know the gun was illegal" any more then "I didn't know the beadlocks were illegal and I didn't know how to install them" Insurance doesn't cover negligence, although neglicence is very very very hard to prove.

Not to be a cock, but bottom line they are illegal. I don't believe for a minute that some jury wouldn't hang any of our asses out to dry if our shit killed somebody as opposed to a stock jeep that broke down and did the same, and I imagine most people will agree with me. I have been wrong before tho.....

Why do you keep asserting they are illegal? Outside of Utah, I don't know of any state that has legislated against them. Show one vehicle code that specifically outlaws them, or drop that part of your argument.

I have been wrong before tho.....

Yep.

Its not painfully obvious?

What do you think would happen to a failed bead lock with a large 37"+ tire on a rock crawler like vehicle at road speeds? Nobody remembers the Ford Explorer / Bridgestone deal a few years back where sidewalls were blowing out left and right all within the same time period???

I imagine it would go something like.....

The beadlock fails. The outer half breaks off, your tire is lose and flopping around, possibly coming off the rim alltogether. The suspension and steering is out of control because its not meant to handle the kind of force being applied to it. More then likely due to vehicle height, tire size, and maybe axle width you will lose control of the vehicle. God willing you won't veer into oncoming traffic and just dive off into the woods. Maybe you do a barrel roll, and injure some family out for a sunday drive, as well as yourself.

Ontop of crazy hospital bills, lost work, and unpaid bills, you probably got tickets and will most likely be slapped with one hell of a civil suit in which you have to pay out BIG time, maybe even a wrongful death suit. In which case the lawyers will tear your rig apart finding out what was illegal to begin with, what failed, why it failed, and whos fault was it. What do you think they are gonna say when they see a DOT rim thats owner modified with a weld on bead lock? Who do you think they will point the finger at?

That would seem like a pretty accurate or at least possible explanation of "Deep Shit"

I'm guessing you've never had a front tire blowout, if you had, by your description we would have seen the mushroom cloud hanging over your rolled and destroyed vehicle.:laughing:

The DOT reg says you may not weld on a wheel to "repair" it, by adding a beadlock, you are not "repairing" it. I have seen no stipulations about modifying a wheel in the DOT regs. There is no law about beadlocks (evidently Utah has come up with one) on the books.

Mine balance just fine thank you very much.

How did you win that bet? You just proved yourself wrong in the same post



i just confused the hell out of eveyone until they gave it to me. J/K, seriously though, the Co Highway Patrol told us up and down that they are illegal, but in the course of doing so he said "if they have a DOT stamp a rim is fine...he was assuming that they didn't. So, we figured that we were good to go.

at least you added something correct to this thread...there is no "department of giving out DOT stamps/certs". It is up to the manufacturer to decide if his product is up to code and it is up to him to mark it himself also.

Very true...the DOT doesn't test or certify anything (people keep thinking that manufacturers have to submit their rims to the DOT for approval or something). DOT simply sets for performance standards and specs that a rim must meet in order to have a certification. A manufacturer is the one who needs to perform that.

I AM SURE there are many beadlocks out there that would easily pass those standards...but many manufacturers don't care to do it because THEY DON'T WANT TO BE HELD LIABLE FOR SOMEONE not maintaining their product and plowing into a school bus full of kids or something.



My wheels have a "DOT" stamp. So do my weld on beadlocks. I read every single applicable fmvss, met every single standard set by the nhtsa, approved my locks, and stamped them myself in accordance. Totally 100% dot legal. Unless your particular state has a law specifically stating "no beadlocks", it's not illegal.

And jesus fuck, how many of these exact threads are there now?

thousands, I am sure.

Damn, I guess I'd better not get in an accident. I will get sued because I drilled a hole in a DOT approved rim to install internal beadlocks!!!! If you stay awake at night worrying about such crap don't run it,keep your junk stock and find another forum IMO.:flipoff2:
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I'm guessing you've never had a front tire blowout, if you had, by your description we would have seen the mushroom cloud hanging over your rolled and destroyed vehicle.:laughing:

The DOT reg says you may not weld on a wheel to "repair" it, by adding a beadlock, you are not "repairing" it. I have seen no stipulations about modifying a wheel in the DOT regs. There is no law about beadlocks (evidently Utah has come up with one) on the books.

Mine balance just fine thank you very much.

Mine balance fine too

Yeah so lets see here.....

Car blows out a tire, gets a little squirrely, most the vehicle makes it to the side of the road.

Explorer SUV blows out a tire (see Bridgestone tires) gets squirrely, has a very high chance of rolling over, proof is without question based on class action suits against them.

Modified rockcrawler/offroad rig, rediculous large tires/sidewalls, soft suspensions, much higher then stock COG.....hmmm i wonder whats gonna happen when the rim violently comes apart or the tire suddently blows out......:homer:


Damn, I guess I'd better not get in an accident. I will get sued because I drilled a hole in a DOT approved rim to install internal beadlocks!!!! If you stay awake at night worrying about such crap don't run it,keep your junk stock and find another forum IMO.:flipoff2:
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Taken out of context. Somebody asked I don't see what "Deep shit" could happen if my beadlocks shit the bed, I posted a very real possibility of what could happen and your head is in the sand if you don't think that it can't happen. Especially in todays lawsuit happy world and blatant personal responsibility misdirection.

I don't know why you guys are on my ass about it, I run them on the road too, it seems that I'm the only one that has accepted the fact that like half a dozen other things on my crawler they don't exactly meet DOT regs. But whatever, to each his own. As I said earlier most cops don't even know what a beadlock is in the first place.

well if a dot beadlock is what you want then they do sell them.

http://www.centerlinewheels.com/wheels_detail.php?mw_id=33&sw_id=390

Mine balance fine too

Yeah so lets see here.....

Car blows out a tire, gets a little squirrely, most the vehicle makes it to the side of the road.

Explorer SUV blows out a tire (see Bridgestone tires)Firestone... gets squirrely, Has a dumbass driver who doesn't understand it's not a sports car, and/or has it overloaded has a very high chance of rolling over, proof is without question based on class action suits against them.

Modified rockcrawler/offroad rig, rediculous large tires/sidewalls, soft suspensions, much higher then stock COG Has a driver who does understand ho to drive and control his vehicle .....hmmm i wonder whats gonna happen when the rim violently comes apart or the tire suddently blows out......:homer: That's easy... "Revolver shackles save the day! :laughing:




Taken out of context. Somebody asked I don't see what "Deep shit" could happen if my beadlocks shit the bed, I posted a very real possibility of what could happen and your head is in the sand if you don't think that it can't happen. Especially in todays lawsuit happy world and blatant personal responsibility misdirection.

I don't know why you guys are on my ass about it, I run them on the road too, it seems that I'm the only one that has accepted the fact that like half a dozen other things on my crawler they don't exactly meet DOT regs. But whatever, to each his own. As I said earlier most cops don't even know what a beadlock is in the first place.

I don't see how he rim is going to "violently come apart" as you say. If anything the air leaks out and the tire goes flat before anything "violent" happens. By then you'll already be on the side of the road.



Firestone/exploder incidents... We talked about this in orientation. Yes the tires were faulty to an extent, but it was also Ford's fault for under inflating the tires. Under inflated tires flex more which cause heat build up, which then causes belt separation and :nuke: Now, thanks to McCain there is an extra layer of stuff over the belts to hold them on in case of said belt separation. (Keep your tires inflated properly)

It is possible that a bad welder could weld them up with too little penetration, clean the welds and smooth them flat taking away most of the material and leaving very little. It is highly more probable that they will leak out first but crazier things have happened.

I didn't mean to sound like I was an opponent. I run them, I don't see what the big deal is with running them. If you want to run them more power to you, if not thats your choice too. I was just saying it wouldn't surprise me if its one more thing that some asshole cop or DMV officer adds to the ticket list. Even if its not illegal they can write it up under some generic law and let the court throw it out if you choose to fight it, instead of paying the ticket, which some people are willing to do. My reference to the firestone tires and SUVs was just and example of what happens to a stock SUV, let alone a jacked up trail rig or rock crawler. Theres no way anybody can be ready for the split second if it happens when you blow out a tire, hence its why rollovers are so "more" common at faster speeds like the highway or faster backroads then putting around town or to the trail. Again it was a possibility not a probability for the sake of argument. :flipoff2: Good Luck

99% of cops a dumb. I got a ticket one night for doing a "burnout" in my 22re with a locker in the rear. I was turning a corner. I told him i had a locker in the truck his answer to that was "whats a locker". I also have a another problem with cop just cause you cause the accident don't always mean they will right you a ticket its up to them. I got t-bone turning into my driveway. and i got the ticket. By the way it totaled a $13,000 wrx and a chevy aveo. I was hit in my driverside door get that one. i got pics if you think i am lier.

99% of cops a dumb. I got a ticket one night for doing a "burnout" in my 22re with a locker in the rear. I was turning a corner. I told him i had a locker in the truck his answer to that was "whats a locker". I also have a another problem with cop just cause you cause the accident don't always mean they will right you a ticket its up to them. I got t-bone turning into my driveway. and i got the ticket. By the way it totaled a $13,000 wrx and a chevy aveo. I was hit in my driverside door get that one. i got pics if you think i am lier.

It could be the fact that you live in colorado, or maybe its because you are a "punk kid" :laughing:

Sorry i couldn't pass that up. :flipoff2:

This only applies to California. There is no citable vehicle code for running beadlocks. You could be cited under "Unsafe vehicle" if the Officer wanted to push it. In California, if you so choose to run beadlocks, you take on the liability that if one or more of the rims fail while driving and causes you crash and you do property damage or worse, you kill or injure someone. Their attorney could go after you civilly citing that you were running a non DOT approved wheel and that was the cause of the accident.

I am a cop, and I have researched this in-depth with the California Vehicle code and the California Highway Patrol. There is nothing prohibiting a person from running beadlocks in California. You might lose your house if one fails while driving...You do it at your own risk. I run Trail Ready beadlocks on my street driven Jeep. I just religiously check the torque on the bolts..

Oh, and before you go and call 99% of cops dumb, you might want to learn basic grammar and spelling!!!!!


99% of cops a dumb. I got a ticket one night for doing a "burnout" in my 22re with a locker in the rear. I was turning a corner. I told him i had a locker in the truck his answer to that was "whats a locker". I also have a another problem with cop just cause you cause the accident don't always mean they will right you a ticket its up to them. I got t-bone turning into my driveway. and i got the ticket. By the way it totaled a $13,000 wrx and a chevy aveo. I was hit in my driverside door get that one. i got pics if you think i am lier.

come live in denver for 6 months and you will know what i am talking about. The fact that i am a punk kid does have something to do with it. I am a smart ass thats why i said 99% of all cops to get some people wound up. I have at least 3 friends that are cops.:flipoff2:

Oh, and before you go and call 99% of cops dumb, you might want to learn basic grammar and spelling!!!!!

Sadly the truth remains the same though. Many cops are dumb and most nowadays are fucking assholes. If it wasn't for the small few that still try to keep the profession honest and honorable, I'd hate them all at this point.

come live in denver for 6 months and you will know what i am talking about. The fact that i am a punk kid does have something to do with it. I am a smart ass thats why i said 99% of all cops to get some people wound up. I have at least 3 friends that are cops.:flipoff2:

I was just messing with you a bit, the pun reguarding your screen name was just too funny not to point it out. :D

Sadly the truth remains the same though. Many cops are dumb and most nowadays are fucking assholes. If it wasn't for the small few that still try to keep the profession honest and honorable, I'd hate them all at this point.



I was just messing with you a bit, the pun reguarding your screen name was just too funny not to point it out. :D


How does all this mean anything other than you are wrong about the legality of beadlocks and you are trying to gloss over that fact??

somebody kill this thread, it never had nor ever will have any tech relevance and is just a bitchfest.

This only applies to California. There is no citable vehicle code for running beadlocks. You could be cited under "Unsafe vehicle" if the Officer wanted to push it. In California, if you so choose to run beadlocks, you take on the liability that if one or more of the rims fail while driving and causes you crash and you do property damage or worse, you kill or injure someone. Their attorney could go after you civilly citing that you were running a non DOT approved wheel and that was the cause of the accident.

I am a cop, and I have researched this in-depth with the California Vehicle code and the California Highway Patrol. There is nothing prohibiting a person from running beadlocks in California. You might lose your house if one fails while driving...You do it at your own risk. I run Trail Ready beadlocks on my street driven Jeep. I just religiously check the torque on the bolts..


People give CA a lot of crap, but it's probably one of the most jeep friendly states out there.

How does all this mean anything other than you are wrong about the legality of beadlocks and you are trying to gloss over that fact??

Are they really legal or illegal? I haven't seen any evidence either way yet. I think at this point even though it may be arguable in court LEO's can pretty much write it up as any number of misc infractions that would require and inspection. Even the LEO above pretty much stated the same thing and more or less agreed with me in terms of personal liability. How am I trying to gloss things over?

This thread ended about 10+ posts ago, way to be a day late and a dollar short. :rolleyes: Your post might have merit if you posted something useful to the discussion, but since you didn't now its just you trying to stir the pot and start more bitching. You obviously didn't read shit in this thread. :shaking:

Are they really legal or illegal? I haven't seen any evidence either way yet. I think at this point even though it may be arguable in court LEO's can pretty much write it up as any number of misc infractions that would require and inspection. Even the LEO above pretty much stated the same thing and more or less agreed with me in terms of personal liability. How am I trying to gloss things over?

This thread ended about 10+ posts ago, way to be a day late and a dollar short. :rolleyes: Your post might have merit if you posted something useful to the discussion, but since you didn't now its just you trying to stir the pot and start more bitching. You obviously didn't read shit in this thread. :shaking:

http://www.centerlinewheels.com/wheels_detail.php?mw_id=33&sw_id=390

didnt that link prove you way wrong a long time ago, or the fact that hutchinsen was selling beadlock rims to the general public a long time ago?
just because your rims do not have a DOT stamp doesnt mean every beadlock doesnt.