: Son of a B!tch - Clutch - Borg Beck 3 finger


pityocamptes
09-08-2008, 09:17 AM
I usually post over at BinderB ulletin, but thought I'd ask here. I just finished rebuilding my engine (AMC 258 w/T-18), and decided while I was rebuilding it to replace the clutch. The local parts store had to send the PP and disk out to another city for rebuilding. Anyway, I get the fucker back together, fire the engine up last night for the break in period, and realize that it will not go into gear. Hmmm, I adjusted the TO bearing linkage all the way out to the fingers and it still would grind going into gear. Well after taking a look, it seems that the asshole builders did not adjust the fingers correctly on the PP (something I did not catch), and instead of being all the way up they are about 1/2+ below the PP housing hole.

I REALLY do not want to pull the whole damn thing again. :mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3::mad3:

Can the adjustment screws be adjusted while the clutch is in (through the inspection opening). If so how, what are the steps involved. Thanks for the help!!

Urban Wheeler
09-08-2008, 12:52 PM
Do you know where it was sent for rebuilding?

pityocamptes
09-08-2008, 01:01 PM
Do you know where it was sent for rebuilding?

I think the company was named Star, in Phoenix AZ. I was thinking of calling them to ask, (is that what you are getting at?), but my luck is no one would speaky English... :shaking::flipoff2::eek:

larboc@hotmail.com
09-08-2008, 01:35 PM
don't adjust those. that's probably not the problem. Search over at the BB about it. Most likely you have the wrong throwout bearing/carrier. I belive that the 13" clutch used a shorter t/o setup (what you've got) than the 11" stocker. rebuild shops think an IH is an IH and that the light line stuff is the same as big truck.

I ordered my kit from someother rebuilder through carquest. All said and done the whole kit was less than 80 bucks+grinding the flywheel. I think mine was a rockford. I don't think people like the borg and beck.

Search at the BB. this has happend alot.

pityocamptes
09-08-2008, 02:04 PM
don't adjust those. that's probably not the problem. Search over at the BB about it. Most likely you have the wrong throwout bearing/carrier. I belive that the 13" clutch used a shorter t/o setup (what you've got) than the 11" stocker. rebuild shops think an IH is an IH and that the light line stuff is the same as big truck.

I ordered my kit from someother rebuilder through carquest. All said and done the whole kit was less than 80 bucks+grinding the flywheel. I think mine was a rockford. I don't think people like the borg and beck.

Search at the BB. this has happend alot.


Same T/O collar since I've owned it. I believe its a 10.5" disk and PP assembly - it basically was the one I had before and they just reman'd it. Someone fucked up - and from the looks of it I believe that the fingers were not adjusted correctly or the depth of the PP, and or thicker disk might be the culprite.

Shit I wish I could have gotten away with $80.00. No one carried a new one and the reman'd was around $200.00. I believe I will be bitching and demand at least a 50% refund for having to drop the tranny for a second time!!

Does anyone do good work these days??? Fucking retards!!!!!

pityocamptes
09-08-2008, 02:18 PM
GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!! I just got off the phone from the parts store, who contacted the rebuilder, and the rebuilder is saying its my fault and that they want to charge me again to fix the PP. I'm like WTF??? The fingers were down before compressing the PP onto the flywheel and they are still compressed down when installed!!!!

I think I need to take pictures, and file a contestment with my CC company!!!

Urban Wheeler
09-09-2008, 03:01 AM
I think the company was named Star, in Phoenix AZ. I was thinking of calling them to ask, (is that what you are getting at?), but my luck is no one would speaky English... :shaking::flipoff2::eek:

Actually no. There is a clutch place called Fort Wayne Clutch that specializes in old hard to find stuff. If your other place can't/wont fix it I'd call Fort Wayne Clutch and talk to them.

pityocamptes
09-09-2008, 08:50 AM
actually No. There Is A Clutch Place Called Fort Wayne Clutch That Specializes In Old Hard To Find Stuff. If Your Other Place Can't/wont Fix It I'd Call Fort Wayne Clutch And Talk To Them.


Thanks!!!!

pityocamptes
10-12-2008, 07:54 PM
Thanks!! I ordered and installed the clutch from Fort Wayne - best price and service I've seen.

The problem is that I still cannot get it adjusted correctly. It grinds in 1st and reverse (T-18 tranny). I have about an inch of top play in the pedal and the TO bearing is a hair away from the fingers on the PP. It still will not disengage all the way. I wonder if it has something to do with the double threaded rod that goes from the pedal assembly to the U shapped coupler for the fork linkeage???

If so, can ANYONE PLEASE, for the love of god, PLEASE post how to adjust the clutch linkage for a 1974 IHC II w/AMC 258 engine?? I double checked that the disk is in correct - disk springs are towards PP. I don't know what else to do. Thanks for help - I also posted this at the BB but thought I might get some help here. Thanks!!!

Urban Wheeler
10-13-2008, 03:00 AM
Is the synchro bad?

rusty scout
10-13-2008, 04:53 AM
Do you have a body lift or poly body bushings? What condition are the clutch linkage bushings?

Mechanos
10-13-2008, 06:01 AM
Is the synchro bad?

He said it's a T-18... 1st is non-synchro'd

Colorado Dave
10-13-2008, 06:15 AM
:laughing:

RustoleumWhite
10-13-2008, 08:09 AM
He said it's a T-18... 1st is non-synchro'd
neither is reverse.


I wonder if it has something to do with the double threaded rod that goes from the pedal assembly to the U shapped coupler for the fork linkeage???
??? Have you adjusted the pedal rod at all?? That were I've always done most of my adjustment, the whole wop'n couple times I've had to adjust my clutches.

Mechanos
10-13-2008, 09:24 AM
neither is reverse.



??? Have you adjusted the pedal rod at all?? That were I've always done most of my adjustment, the whole wop'n couple times I've had to adjust my clutches.

I'm not aware of anything else in the clutch linkage that can be adjusted. :confused:

pityocamptes
10-17-2008, 04:50 PM
I'm a fucking tard. Forgot to attach the driveline, since I had to pull the fucking tranny twice, was trying to cut down on shit to remove if I had to remove it again. Didn't connect the drive line and the slight disk movement against the PP and flywheel was getting the input gear to turn. Connected the driveline and it works perfect. As a side the "rebuilt" disk that I got the first time was twice as thick as the one from Fort Wayne clutch :mad3: No wonder the shit wouldn't disengage. Plus the spring arrangement sucked on the first PP, not as many as the one from Fort Wayne!!!