Thinking of moving to d44s and want to keep the passenger offset. What vehicles did these come in so i can start keeping my eye out for parts?

Dodges -CXhevys -and a few Jeeps

Originally posted by hy_desert_4wheeler
Dodges -CXhevys -and a few Jeeps

i think he is talking about front and rear being this is a suzuki board and all.


anyway you need to look for a mid to late 70's jeep wagoneer or cherokee that is equiped with a quadra track t-case. both came with offset front and rear dana 44's. the thing is, is how wide do you want to be? the wagoneers are wide under a zuk and the cherokees came in a wide track and a narrow track version. the narrow track version of the cherokee is the same as a wagoneer and the wagoneer never came with a wide track option. the waggys seem to be a better width for the sami's in my opinion. they are not as wide but trust me they are wide for a samurai.

If you want offset rear, pick up a Ford front. Lob off the knuckles, weld on some D44 or 9" housing ends, and you can make it any lenght you want. With a little diggin' you might end up with a high pinion D44 that way.... ;)

Don't get too hung up about the offset rear. Offset, centered, really makes very little difference back there.

Originally posted by okcrawler
[B
Don't get too hung up about the offset rear. Offset, centered, really makes very little difference back there. [/B]

I'll add a caveat.

Are we talking a dedicated off-road machine or something that will see lots of highway miles? Stock or extended wheelbase?

If lots of hwy miles and/or a stockish wheelbase then get the offset rear.

r@m

some of the quadra track wagoneer's had dana 30's in them also I'm running a 74 wagoneer dana 30 in my front and havnt had any trouble yet . but in the rear with my dana 44 I've broken a knuckle joint.

Thanks for the replies.

high5:
I would like to be under 62" wide. Anything over 58" i will prob have to replace my 2" backspaced wheels though. The trails are narrow here in Washington.

okcrawler:
I would like the front and rear offset to match. makes it easier to dodge the rocks and stumps that way.

Root Moose:
It's a trailer queen. The only road it sees is from camp to trail.


zukstur:
dana 30 would work just fine on my light rig but they dont go very high on the gearing. how wide is your d30?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lojones
[B]Thanks for the replies.

high5:
I would like to be under 62" wide. Anything over 58" i will prob have to replace my 2" backspaced wheels though. The trails are narrow

I got a Dana 44 out of a 79 Waggoneer that had a Pass side diff. If I remember my measurments correctly it was around 63" Matches the rear in my Tacoma perfectly. Had to get a pass side diff so I could run my divorced toy t-case

Later
Will
FL TTORA

Originally posted by lojones
Thanks for the replies.

high5:
I would like to be under 62" wide. Anything over 58" i will prob have to replace my 2" backspaced wheels though. The trails are narrow here in Washington.

find a late 70's jeep wagoneer. it will have a 61.5" front and a 59" wide rear. both dana44's and both offset to the pass side.

okcrawler:
I would like the front and rear offset to match. makes it easier to dodge the rocks and stumps that way.



i agree with this statement i wish the rear in my jeep was off-set and they offered and offset atlas. i have watched and driven rigs setup witht he off-set pumpkins and i honostly think it makes alittle difference.

Originally posted by zukstur
some of the quadra track wagoneer's had dana 30's in them

zukstur, are you sure your front came out of a quadra track equipped waggy? i am pretty sure that the q-track came out after they went with the front dana44 which was in the mid to late 70's. the earlier versions used a dana20 and they rear was off set too but not quite as much as the q-track equipped waggy's. anyway.....

both pumpkins offset really make a difference... get the front trough and the rear will follow. i suck arse at driven so it makes it easier for me.

here is a great shot of psf4x4's waggy dana 44's slung by a set of wrangler springs http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=638608

damn i'm a good driver:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

here is one from last year of chris's (psf4x4's) http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=414329

and here is one of my buddy langston's sami. very similar to psf4x4's setup. he runs waggy dana44's with wrangler springs, 36"sx's, and a 97" wheelbase just like chris's :D http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=420826

Originally posted by lojones
Thanks for the replies.


zukstur:
dana 30 would work just fine on my light rig but they dont go very high on the gearing. how wide is your d30?

my dana 30 is 58 wide and I herd that you can go as low as 5:38 now it use to be 5:13

Originally posted by high5


zukstur, are you sure your front came out of a quadra track equipped waggy? i am pretty sure that the q-track came out after they went with the front dana44 which was in the mid to late 70's. the earlier versions used a dana20 and they rear was off set too but not quite as much as the q-track equipped waggy's. anyway.....

I know it did because i pulled it my self.
I found out that Jeep use to put what ever they had avalible at the time of production in their rigs some dana 30's some dana 44's

Originally posted by zukstur


...I herd that you can go as low as 5:38 now it use to be 5:13

4:88 is the best they make for the D30. If they made 5:13s a lot more zuks would be running them in front to match the hybrid rears. i know i would be.

zukstur, did your d30 come with a 6 lug pattern or a 5 on 5.5?

mine's 5 on 5.5

Ill check back with my buddy at the shop and check the ratio's again

Originally posted by zukstur
mine's 5 on 5.5


i maybe and idiot or a newbie which ever. but if it came out of a wagoneer then it would be 6 lug. you aso said that your 30 was 58"in length that would mean that they were just trowing different length axles in the wagoneers cause 44's are 63" in the front and 58 in the rear for 78-79 quadratrac wagoneers and chereokees are wider even. i can see them putting 30's in there put not different lenghts. cause then you need different backspacing on the rims and what not.

Originally posted by psf4x4



i maybe and idiot or a newbie which ever. but if it came out of a wagoneer then it would be 6 lug. you aso said that your 30 was 58"in length that would mean that they were just trowing different length axles in the wagoneers cause 44's are 63" in the front and 58 in the rear for 78-79 quadratrac wagoneers and chereokees are wider even. i can see them putting 30's in there put not different lenghts. cause then you need different backspacing on the rims and what not.

yep you are an idiot! older waggys had 5 on 5.5" lug pattern. also i have never seen a d30waggy front that was not 5 on 5.5 and that is why i asked the question.

and another thing IDIOT you need to go measure your waggy front d44 cause it is not 63" wide. also measure your rear while you are at it :flipoff2:

find a late 70's jeep wagoneer. it will have a 61.5" front and a 59" wide rear. both dana44's and both offset to the pass side

f^&*ing newbies

Originally posted by zukstur
some of the quadra track wagoneer's had dana 30's in them also I'm running a 74 wagoneer dana 30 in my front and havnt had any trouble yet . but in the rear with my dana 44 I've broken a knuckle joint.

Am I reading this right? You have rear steer? I'm trying to gather up the parts for rear steer.

Originally posted by zukstur
but in the rear with my dana 44 I've broken a knuckle joint. Is this rig a rear steer Dana 44? That's why you have a KNUCKLE joint in the rear Dana 44, right?

[I been searchin' for some answers fellers :flipoff2: ]

hey lojones, if you're still trolling for an offset rear 44 i've got one, 58.5in wide, complete drum to drum, it's 6 lug though... it's from a 78 wagoneer...

will sell DIRT CHEAP!

Make sure that you find a front axle with flat top knuckles. It will make your conversion to high steer much easier. I think that my danas came from a 77 Waggy and they have flat top knuckles.

who needs flat tops with full hydro :D

One day when my zuk looks like a piece of powder blue kids playground equipment I will have full hydro - but for now I need flat tops!!!

zukstur:
dana 30 would work just fine on my light rig but they dont go very high on the gearing. how wide is your d30? [/B][/QUOTE]

Sorry about the late reply ive been gone. Both the dana 30 and 44 front are 59". Their was also a jeep cj 7 that was quadra track but not sure of the axel width's. My 30 came out of a 74 quadra trac because i still have the rig and the wheels are 5 on 5.5.

Originally posted by lojones


4:88 is the best they make for the D30. If they made 5:13s a lot more zuks would be running them in front to match the hybrid rears. i know i would be.

You can go as low as 5.38 in early style dana 30s (CJs, Broncos and Scouts), but only as low as 4.88 in newer ones (Wranglers and Cherokees).

http://www.ring-pinion.com/jeep.shtml

Jackie