Hello,
I Just bought a Fully Hydraulic Steering system and wos wondering if anyone fitted one on a front landrover axle?

Thanks for any help.

what size tires are you planning on running?

what is the length of the ram?

what is the ram type. single or double ended ram?

Are you running a fluid cooler? if not you should.

The bigger question is why would you need full hydro on a LR axle assuming it is not some sort of toy hybrid axle or otherwise? What size tires do you plan on running, chances are very good hydro assist would do the trick for most situations and beyond that you will need a stronger front/rear axle to necessitate full hydro with big meats.

Fitting full hydro to a land rover axle is a BAD idea. The knuckles do not have near enough meat on them to withstand the force that would be applied by a full hydraulic steering cylinder.

Fitting full hydro to a land rover axle is a BAD idea. The knuckles do not have near enough meat on them to withstand the force that would be applied by a full hydraulic steering cylinder.

HOLD YOUR TOUNGE!


its a great idea!.......lets watch:D

drop some coin on a hydro system and then decide how to install it...






shear genius...





before and after pic's please...that is before your rip the knuckles off the axles, then atfer when your on a flat bed

Trol

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boggers tyers 38" and psc ram 8" travel double action,

boggers tyers 38" and psc ram 8" travel double action,

Thorbirds are the way to go!

I like PSC i am planning to run there system.

What axle casing are u running? Is it stock rover and for what year?

braking steering systems seems to what I am good at so if i can help i would be happy to do so

Hello,
My axle is of an early landrover 110 and running with maxidrive shafts and ashcroft CV-joints.

When i finish my project i will post some pics that might help you.

Here are some pics of my Land rover at the moment.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5528/p00lqg4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6712/hajtmt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Cool...where are you located? terrain seems familiar...

hello i'm from malta,
I all ready buy some parts for my project like
5 boggers 38'
16 rodends from balastic fabrication 1'x1/4' tread
2 fox coilovers 18' for rear
2' fox coilovers 14' for front
complet fullyhydrollic steering system
next step is the arb's lockers and 8274 winch.

hello i'm from malta,
I all ready buy some parts for my project like
5 boggers 38'
16 rodends from balastic fabrication 1'x1/4' tread
2 fox coilovers 18' for rear
2' fox coilovers 14' for front
complet fullyhydrollic steering system
next step is the arb's lockers and 8274 winch.

REPLACE YOUR AXLES.

Your welcome. :flipoff2:

it's a good idea to change the axles but in malta the only axles we have are from landrover and it will cost me to much to buy them from abrod.
what axles are you using?

The problem is the ram will break the swivel pin housing. have you considered putting in
Salisbury axle front axle. it is a landrover axle and very strong

it's a good idea to change the axles but in malta the only axles we have are from landrover and it will cost me to much to buy them from abrod.
what axles are you using?

Ford 9in and 9/60. Your going to break the knuckles with full hydro. The 38's will overwhelm your brakes, the maxidrive stuff will break. And since I am in a negative mood, the 18's are too long compared to the 14's up front. That last one is just opinion. You have a very cool looking truck. I would strongly suggest that you either let it be the way it is, or find a way to get something beefy under there before you go through all your plans. Doing it twice is almost always more expensive than doing it once right. Trust me on this one!

Ford 9in and 9/60. Your going to break the knuckles with full hydro. The 38's will overwhelm your brakes, the maxidrive stuff will break. And since I am in a negative mood, the 18's are too long compared to the 14's up front. That last one is just opinion. You have a very cool looking truck. I would strongly suggest that you either let it be the way it is, or find a way to get something beefy under there before you go through all your plans. Doing it twice is almost always more expensive than doing it once right. Trust me on this one!

what do you mean "almost always"?:D

unless you meant "almost always THREE TIMES MORE expensive":flipoff2:

what do you mean "almost always"?:D

unless you meant "almost always THREE TIMES MORE expensive":flipoff2:

:D I was going to say always, but the second you do some nut comes out of the pbb with his story about how he did it twice and saved money. I was just covering my bases.

:D I was going to say always, but the second you do some nut comes out of the pbb with his story about how he did it twice and saved money. I was just covering my bases.
that retard would subsequently be discounted as "full-of-shit" as we all know the impossibility of said scenario.

it would be akin to a story of levitation via hypnosis and the like:flipoff2:

Jeez - you guys are very unhelpful...:shaking:

I could well imagine that with maxi drives, 38s, full hydro, 18s rear and 14s front he will have alot of fun and probably the only thing he will break will be CVs just like the rest of us.

This guy would have got better responses if he posted in general tech...some people would have told him hes an idiot, some people would have told him to go search, some people would have told him to go post in the Newbie section...and some poeple would have helped to guy.

So anyway search Newbie....and get yourself a red star.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=697799&highlight=full+hydro

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=615203&highlight=full+hydro

Sam

And when I say "you guys" I probably should have said "some of you guys". Apologies to those who actually seemed interested are were wanting to help.

Sam

I could well imagine that with maxi drives, 38s, full hydro, 18s rear and 14s front he will have alot of fun and probably the only thing he will break will be CVs just like the rest of us.

I strongly disagree with this, and feel I was very helpful. Maxi will not live up to 38's and a rover housing will not live up to full hydro. I am trying to save him time, grief, and money. If he has a more specific question and has already made his mistake, then maybe we can help further.

sorry fella but thats pony

theres a couple of guys over here running full hydro on Rovers without any probs, the fastest way is to use a left hand drive and a right hand drive steering knuckle and life is easy from there on out

38s vs an axle is largely dependant on driver style and terrain and application - might be easier to define what the truck is going to be used for?

sorry fella but thats pony

theres a couple of guys over here running full hydro on Rovers without any probs, the fastest way is to use a left hand drive and a right hand drive steering knuckle and life is easy from there on out

38s vs an axle is largely dependant on driver style and terrain and application - might be easier to define what the truck is going to be used for?

Thats true. I'm sorry.

If this truck is only used to drive to the mall, then it should have no problem staying together. Silly me, I thought it would be used in the rocks because of the picture he posted.

Mainly rocks, i live in the same country......................

Aw pitass hija, Taf kemm ha jaqlawlek dawn..........:D

Grem

Pitass - are you running Ashcrofts cromo CV's? I dont know what the comp scene is in malta, is it winch challenge, trials or rock crawling?

38's on any sort of Rover axle is rather optimistic, I don't know anyone competing in the UK who's running more than 36-37" on Rovers - mind you, the UK Challenge driving "style" does often leave something to be desired :shaking:

A salisbury front isn't that much stronger, the diff itself is beefier but the rest of it is fairly stock Rover style, just different enough to be a total PITFA to get spares for. 101 Salisbury axles are beef, but they're a different game altogether.

Hydro steer on a Rover isn't so suicidal, the stock PS is crap so a bit of help is no bad thing - just don't get carried away with the assistance, then you WILL snap something.

The D2 PAS seems better, my truck spins 37's with a D2 box easier than most of the other Rover stuff I've driven with ~31's.

as I posted in one of the threads that strange rover referred to above, cramming a full hydro ram on a rover front axle should be a fairly simple matter. here is how one could do it. How long the knuckles would live, I don't know, but I would love for someone else do it so I don't have to be the first one..

You will need to replace the stock diff cover with a 3/8 pipe cap. a bit of gusseting will be needed in addition to simply welding it on.

option 1: run the tie rod in the back of the axle.
get a RHD steering knucle on the LHS side. build a single ended ram mount using the pipe cap diff cover and housing, connect to front steering arm on LHS of car. Consider reinforcing the steering arm. you can weld on it, its forged steel.

option 2: run the tie rod in front of the axle.
same as above, but have the single ended ram act on the tie rod, instead of the steering arm. make the tie rod out of at least 1/4" material. 3/8 would be better.

couple of notes: stock tie rod ends will not hold up. I have been using chevy 1 ton TREs with a 7/8" shank for a couple of years now, and I have bent the ones on the tie rod several times because of its low location. I would go with 7/8 shank 3/4" chromo heim joints on the tie rod in either of the above scenarios. anything else is asking for trouble.

this is not ideal, because both the ram and tie rod are mounted pretty low and are susceptible to rock hits, but that's life. knucles would have to be replaced to do hi-steer, and interference problems would be likely if you did it anyway.

as far as increasing steering pump pressure, there are several threads on this forum about using different pumps, both bolt-in and custom that will give you plenty of flow to run full hydro. you'll have to figure out where to mount the orbial yourself, but that shouldn't be all that difficult. if you do find one that will accept the rover steering shaft without modifications, make sure you post up the part number.

So, now you know what to do. go build it and report back. SOON.

interesting thread...

competitions in malta are really a lot of the mentioned three but we are mainly leaning towards winch challenges lately but with rocky terrain, loose shale sort of thing as well as a little bit of mud... pretty much all terrain i guess apart from sand and snow...

pitass dawn dejjem hekk ta... jaqlawlek il hara nofshom.. u i nofs l iehor jghinuk... jew jibghatuk tfittex...

here are some pics of it....


http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss105/beancrawler/DSC00111.jpg

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss105/beancrawler/DSC00114.jpg

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss105/beancrawler/DSC00138.jpg

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss105/beancrawler/DSC00145.jpg

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss105/beancrawler/DSC00147.jpg

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss105/beancrawler/DSC00151.jpg

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss105/beancrawler/DSC00152.jpg

and here is my brother's..

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss105/beancrawler/DSC00031.jpg

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss105/beancrawler/DSC00033.jpg

http://i566.photobucket.com/albums/ss105/beancrawler/DSC00045.jpg

Just came back from Italy after competing in Cassibile Extreme Trials 2010, On the first day after a while I broke a Maxi-Drive front shaft and had to continue 3WD that day, Changed it during the night and became 4WD again.

I think its time for axels replacement, Trying to decide between mogs 404's and volvo C303's

here is a video clip of one of the obstacels we had

YouTube - extrem cassibali 2010 023 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsze7jKQ_hI)

The problem is the ram will break the swivel pin housing. have you considered putting in
Salisbury axle front axle. it is a landrover axle and very strong

Er, wouldn't the front Salisbury have essentially the same swivel assembly?

Granted I've only seen a few, but they didn't look like much mor ethan a D60 with Rover outers and spring mounts. Seems to me if the swivel pins are the weak link, they'd still be the weak link on a Salisbury.

Whatever, I want to see more pics of th coachwork. The drivetrain is the easy part, building something that looks like that is inspiring!

One of my buddies recently buggered a tie rod end and balljoint on a Ford High pinion Dana 44 because the steering ram had 1/4’’ more stroke than the steering stop on the axle. I really dont think a Rover swivel ball assembly (salisbury or not) would have held up to this at all!

How many of you have actually bent a rover axle housing, and how many of you have actually broken off a rover knuckle that was not worn to shit? Kinda a rhetorical question, cause any of you who could have been up to the task, upgraded before you had a chance to actually do it, and the rest of you are lucky just to crawl a curb in the mall parking lot.

Glad this guy got some help somewhere. What an interesting looking truck he has to..

I havent actually broke a swivel off, But I have fuct a trunnion bearing with big rubber and a bit of abuse.

the rest of you are lucky just to crawl a curb in the mall parking lot.

What an interesting looking truck he has to..

Howdy KC! I'm just glad that I have enough work to keep me out of the mall parking lots!:flipoff2:

That IS one cool truck.

What I want to know is what are those tires on the rack in the pic of the rear axle?

Simex Extreme Trekker. http://www.devon4x4.com/products_a/c168/simex-extreme-trekker/0.html

Those 4 tyres on the rack are Kingpin HIghlander Diamond which he uses for speed events

http://www.mjmotorfactors.co.uk/shop/show_product_info.php?id=KHT750R16

Diomonds are the most agressive tyre pattern allowed on speed events in UK. I hope the MSA or RAC never extend the rule to winch challenge :shaking:

Mog or Volvo? Good performance on either. Price keeps going up :( They say Volvo because its lighter, but it needs a brake disk kit! If you really want to keep the weight down there are some Toyota axel portal conversion kits out there. (think they were Yota and not Mitsubishi)

I'm not driving speed events any more. The big problem with the mogs axels is the ratio, its to low for me, and the volvo c303 5.9 ratio is hard to find. I thing the mogs 404 are stronger then volvo c303 is that right?

I have put a 13mm nylon spscer in the ram to less the stroke, so that the steering dont stop on the axle. It works fine.

Mogs a definitely stronger than volvos. But volvos are just fine for a rover and relative tires. Of course you could use some larger SBU mog axles. Then its really more like a pair of axles with some puny little rover body thing on them as opposed to a rover with some axles under it.

I have put a 13mm nylon spscer in the ram to less the stroke, so that the steering dont stop on the axle. It works fine.

Thats how we fixed it on my buddies CJ-5. It does take much to bend or break parts, a few mm of excess stroke and the ram will break something.

The current tires I have are 38's and I dont want to change the axels and someday get bigger tires and end up in the same situation.

I dont think volvo will handle more than 38's

Land rover axles you were good with and volvo portals your worried about?

hah! LOL

Land rover axles you were good with and volvo portals your worried about?

In 3 comps I broke an aftermarket CV and shaft, you cant say I was good with LR axles.

In 3 comps I broke an aftermarket CV and shaft, you cant say I was good with LR axles.

Look, I'm not trying to be a jerk. I don't have to try. :flipoff2:

But if you competed on LR axles and 38in tires and only broke a CV and shaft, then you could run 49 in tires on Volvo portals and 60in tires on mogs.

Today I found a truck in italy called iveco 90pm16 wich is a military truck. It has Portal axles with U-joints (like mogs), 42" wheels, difflocks and 3.3:1 axle rato etc...

Anyone know somethin about this truck or used it's axles?

Did you ever see one?? That damn thing is huge, its a full size truck, the axles are too big for what you want! Bite the bullit and get volvos or mogs. Unless you fancy a monster truck.

G

Arent they the huge ass trucks they race in the Paris-Dakar? kind of like the MAN’s.

The problem is the ram will break the swivel pin housing. have you considered putting in
Salisbury axle front axle. it is a landrover axle and very strong

have you seen this happen, or are you speculating? I ask because I plan to test this theory if I ever get off my ass and finish my rig.

Its all speculation darkstar. Its the Disco web mentality working its way into pirate.

have you seen this happen, or are you speculating? I ask because I plan to test this theory if I ever get off my ass and finish my rig.

If you set up your ram properly you will have no problems at all.

If you set up your ram properly you will have no problems at all.

Based on what? How long did you run 40's on a rover axle with full hydro?

It wont be the rams fault or the swivel balls fault. If your ram is properly setup it wont stress the swivels any more than the stock power steering. If you run huge ass rubber on a puny axle it does matter if you have full hydro or regular PS your gonna break something. I have bent draglinks with big rubber and a manual steering box(I was being stupid)

David, Im not sure anyone would be able to break anything with full hydro on rover axles and 40s. They would break the shafts/CV's just getting off the trailer.



As much as I disagree with full hydro on a rover being a can of worms, I can say WHY do it period. Rover steering is acceptable with 37" tires which should be about max for tire size. I can understand a few applications, but generally full hydro is not fun unless you really need it.

David, Im not sure anyone would be able to break anything with full hydro on rover axles and 40s. They would break the shafts/CV's just getting off the trailer.

If it didn't shear the diff carrier first!

YouTube - ‪estremo montalbano.VOB‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuQXjC8Y9DU&feature=share)

Thats a freaking awesome place to wheel.

most of the super mods round here use full hydrostatic steering on landy axles with no issues, im also fitting a full hydrostatic steering setup on my zook (lr axles though, oh and engine and box...) i dont think its going to break, but you willno doubt point and laugh when it does....