i've sent my paperwork in on my carry permit:grinpimp:

now i've got to buy a gun... I've been looking at the XDs but i also love the 1911s but since the 1911s are insanely expensive in anything under 5" i dont know what i want to do...

i want to stay ~650 or under

you should be able to find a Rock Island with a 4" barrel for that

I carry a 5" 1911 almost exclusively. Inside the waistband, it makes little difference.

The grip is what makes guns harder to conceal. The 1911 is flat and thin...which makes it very easy to hide.

There's not that much difference in a 1911. The slide can't be more than .75-.80 - so it's not a huge deal.

Sticking further down into your pants where your hips bend as you sit, or harder to hide under a short jacket, are the only real differences. I've carried a Glock 34 before, which is similar in size, just fatter.

The only real question is, why? A standard-pressure 230gr load has a velocity difference of maybe 25-50 FPS with that extra barrel. I'd rather carry the smaller gun, unless you were planning to feed it some crazy 180gr +P+ load or something...

I'd consider carrying a 1911 if I were willing to live with the safety, their sensitivity to ammo and dirt, and the low capacity. That last is a deal breaker for me.

I know I would shoot better in competition if I switched to a 2011 from the Glock platform. But I'm not willing to carry one on the street, and I like the Glock too much in that role.

The safety gets shut off simply by taking a firing grip. JMB designed it that way on purpose.

My 1911 has fired whatever I fed it without issue. A properly polished and throated feed ramp/chamber is necessary to accomplish this. Glock accomplishes this by having a large, loose, unsupported chamber with a polished feed ramp. Kimber accomplished this on my 1911 by polishing the frame and throating the chamber.

Every firearm is sensitive to dirt, and, in my experience, the 1911 no more so unless it has been tightened for maximum accuracy. If the same thing were done to other designs, a reduction in reliability would result.

Capacity complaints are without warrant in a self-defense firearm scenario, where the average incident is over with just two shots. If I can't end whatever scenario with 9 shots, I need to fight my way back to the truck and get a long gun.

YMMV. The Glock and other polymer handguns are cheaper, have nice finishes, and are lightweight, which makes them more comfortable to carry. They are not, necessarily, superior in performance to the 1911. They severely lack in ergonomic features, which, for me, makes them difficult to adopt across the board. They also have thick, double stack magazine wells and grips which make them much harder to conceal.

I carry my XD45 tactical. IWB in the small of my back. I'm 6'4" and 210 .lbs so I have a little size to hide stuff like that

The safety gets shut off simply by taking a firing grip. JMB designed it that way on purpose.
For yourself, perhaps, but not across the board. There's no excuse for shooting a 1911 without riding the safety, but doing so is not instinctive: Everyone I've shown this technique to had to learn it.

...And that just takes care of the thumb safety. Out of the 3 competition 1911 pistols I've shot a decent number of rounds through (A 2011 STI in 9mm, a Wilson .45, and a single-stack 9mm Springy)... on two of them, I didn't reliably deactivate the grip safety. My hands are too high. And I'm not going to change that - it's crucial to shooting the gun accurately at any rate of speed. The two I shot and had issues with, were stock guns. Stock grip safties. They were owned by newer shooters whose hand isn't usually up high enough on the draw to really dig into the beavertail. Add a grip safety with the 'hump' and lighten the spring, and I'm good to go. But still...

Every firearm is sensitive to dirt, and, in my experience, the 1911 no more so unless it has been tightened for maximum accuracy. If the same thing were done to other designs, a reduction in reliability would result.I will most definitely debate this. Have you seen a 1911 run with so much mud, and large chunks of leaves, packed into the frame that the trigger mechanism and magazine release were pretty much invisible inside the frame? I've got pictures of my 34 running like this. And video. Ran perfectly - over 100 rounds. And it HAS been accurized... as much as you really can on a Glock.

Capacity complaints are without warrant in a self-defense firearm scenario, where the average incident is over with just two shots. If I can't end whatever scenario with 9 shots, I need to fight my way back to the truck and get a long gun.
2 assaliants, 2-3 misses, and more than 3 rounds required to stop each. Now what? (Go ahead and tell me you won't miss. That'll be good for a laugh.)

If an average gunfight consists of 2-3 rounds, that probably consists of a dozen that ended with one shot, and two that required a full magazine and then some... That's why it's called the average - not the 'precise number of shots required'. Sure, you can carry a reload (and I always carry a spare mag)... but I don't particularly see a point in carrying an 8-round gun, when so many 16-round guns are nearly identical in size. :D

They severely lack in ergonomic features, which, for me, makes them difficult to adopt across the board. They also have thick, double stack magazine wells and grips which make them much harder to conceal.
That's not subjective. At all. :rolleyes:

I hate the way a 1911 feels (and especially points) compared to the wonderfully natural way a Glock feels in my hand. I have large hands, but really skinny ones. A 2011 feels much better in my hand than a 1911. There's not enough to fill 'em up. I think I remember you saying you were short, which probably means small hands, which explains why you prefer a 1911 - probably with thin grips. I shoot with quite a few guys with hands like that, and they hate double-stack 2011s and Glocks, just like you do. :)

16 round guns are not "nearly identical in size." No double stack, NOT EVEN MY CZ-82, offers the grip of a single stack firearm. You are compromising ergonomics for capacity no matter how big your hands are. The 1911 fits the human hand far better than any Glock.

I am short, and I have small palms and long fingers. The 1911 grip is ideal for me--thin and long. I use normal grips (VZ grips, actually), a flat main spring housing, and the long trigger. My finger falls on the trigger perfectly with this combination, but YMMV. The point you made about the thin grips is just that--the 1911 is not one size fits all, and can be modified with finger groove grips or very thin grips, shorter or longer triggers, and nearly anything between, unlike polymer guns where grip reductions are tedious and permanent.

If you prefer the glock grip angle, it is as simple as installing an arched main spring housing. The grip angle is not the only feature which makes the 1911 superior ergonomically. The Glocks have a nice, low bore axis, for sure, and a 1911 style magazine release.

And no, I don't pack my guns full of leaves and mud to see if they'll run. In fact, I was trained to go out of my way to prevent that from happening. And I'm not anti-Glock--I've owned two of them. If you read my 9mm thread, I also just bought another polymer, double stack firearm last week.

The Glock is a fine design for what it is, but it is not flat, concealable, or ergonomic. I loved my G19 for OWB carry because it was lightweight and comfortable and I will have another one eventually, but the "2011" as you say takes many steps backwards in ergonomics to offer increased reliability and magazine capacity.

Even in this extensively large market, even if I had to go to war tomorrow, I know what kind of pistol I would take, given the choice. With that said, there's definitely room for both in this market, but don't try to make the Glock into something it's not.

Yay for butthurt girly subjective defense of an antique!

i've sent my paperwork in on my carry permit:grinpimp:

now i've got to buy a gun... I've been looking at the XDs but i also love the 1911s but since the 1911s are insanely expensive in anything under 5" i dont know what i want to do...

i want to stay ~650 or under

since this is the original question, i'll respond to this and not to the bullshit above...

1911 is a a great gun. If its what you want, will shoot because its fun, and will carry cuz your good with it...great. I think its a very good decision.

i thought the same about a CZ-75-P01 9mm. VERY comfy gun. very fun to shoot, but that sucker was just too heavy for me. ??? I didn't like carrying it, even with a good OWB holster and belt.

I've decided that my next gun needs to be a major caliber (.45, .357, .40S&W) but that it needs to be as small as feasible.

I'm looking at:
-compact 1911 .45 (springfield,etc) but they're $$$
-pt145, made by taurus, single or double stack, tac rail or not, price is less than $400.00.
-lightweight revolver in .357...still looking.

Yay for butthurt girly subjective defense of an antique!

Lets talk magpull:flipoff2:

and I will be carrying a browning hi-power of identical size when my check gets here

and I will be carrying a browning hi-power of identical size when my check gets here

Oh, do you mean the pistol that John Browning designed to correct the shortcomings of the M1911?

Suck it 1911 worshipers. :laughing:

16 round guns are not "nearly identical in size." No double stack, NOT EVEN MY CZ-82, offers the grip of a single stack firearm. You are compromising ergonomics for capacity no matter how big your hands are. The 1911 fits the human hand far better than any Glock.


And that is where I stopped reading because that's the point in which you lost all credibility.

You are a moron to make the statement that all hands are identical. I could go on, but you have already said too much.:shaking:

Oh, do you mean the pistol that John Browning designed to correct the shortcomings of the M1911?

Suck it 1911 worshipers. :laughing:

you lie:(




:flipoff2:

since this is the original question, i'll respond to this and not to the above...
Sorry I provoked the JMB-lover. :D

The Glock has it's flaws, sure. But guys who take a gun ten times as old, and pretend it's perfect, really fascinate me...

*I now return the thread to it's original owner*

Sorry I provoked the JMB-lover. :D

The Glock has it's flaws, sure. But guys who take a gun ten times as old, and pretend it's perfect, really fascinate me...

*I now return the thread to it's original owner*

What about the llama thugs:laughing:

you should be able to find a Rock Island with a 4" barrel for that

I must have missed them.. Thanks for that. I'm very intrested in these guns...

Does anyone have any experience with RIA 1911s??? i have read great reviews about them but i would really like to hold one before i throw down on it..

Hell, i even like the phosphate finish.. or whatever it's called. It's the anti-bling:D

as for the glock owners, i've fondled a few. I dont remember the models but i've handled 3 or 4 and... meh. They do nothing for me.


This thread has spawned a lot of bull shit but i guess my underlying question is: is a 5" gun practical to carry or should i go the xd compact/subcompact route?

What about the llama thugs:laughing:

My first handgun was a Llama 1911 clone, that thing was ridiculously reliable. Honestly the most reliable 1911 I've ever shot. I can't remember ever having a jam.

Oh, do you mean the pistol that John Browning designed to correct the shortcomings of the M1911?

Suck it 1911 worshipers. :laughing:

I will own one eventually. It's amazing to me that JMB really thought the Hi-power to be his masterpiece, and yet the 1911 is still orders of magnitude more popular.

And that is where I stopped reading because that's the point in which you lost all credibility.

You are a moron to make the statement that all hands are identical. I could go on, but you have already said too much.:shaking:

You might want to read it again. I never said that all hands are identical.

I will own one eventually. It's amazing to me that JMB really thought the Hi-power to be his masterpiece, and yet the 1911 is still orders of magnitude more popular.


Only because millions of Americans were exposed to the 1911 due to being standard issue.

I have not a doubt in my mind that the Hi Power would be the king of American handguns if it replaced the 1911 when it was created.

Only because millions of Americans were exposed to the 1911 due to being standard issue.

I have not a doubt in my mind that the Hi Power would be the king of American handguns if it replaced the 1911 when it was created.

I have never shot a hi-power, although my best friend, who got me into guns when I was a kid, had one. His dad also has a SWEET collection of Randall knives, a mid-70s blued Colt Government Model that has quite a few miles on it, and a few other guns that taught me what a collection really should have.

I debated getting a hi-power when I bought this M&P last week. I probably should have looked for one to put some miles on.

I have never shot a hi-power, although my best friend, who got me into guns when I was a kid, had one. His dad also has a SWEET collection of Randall knives, a mid-70s blued Colt Government Model that has quite a few miles on it, and a few other guns that taught me what a collection really should have.

I debated getting a hi-power when I bought this M&P last week. I probably should have looked for one to put some miles on.

If you like 1911s, you'll love the hi-power

Sorry I provoked the JMB-lover. :D

The Glock has it's flaws, sure. But guys who take a gun ten times as old, and pretend it's perfect, really fascinate me...

*I now return the thread to it's original owner*

:D:laughing::D

i'm not pretending its perfect, my good chap, i'm saying that he needs to find the perfect gun for him, and if its a 1911a1, then groovy. its a pretty good choice...

i personally like smaller guns, cuz they make my whang look bigger in comparison...:eek:


:laughing:...T.M.I..??

My first handgun was a Llama 1911 clone, that thing was ridiculously reliable. Honestly the most reliable 1911 I've ever shot. I can't remember ever having a jam.
Myanarchy's was great, until it was stolen. It was phenomenally reliable, for exactly one shot. Each and every time. :laughing: :D


i'm not pretending its perfect, my good chap, i'm saying that he needs to find the perfect gun for him, and if its a 1911a1, then groovy. its a pretty good choice...
Which is fine.

If you want to carry a single-stack gov't, by all means, go nuts. Just don't tell me it's the perfect gun that everyone should carry, that it has no drawbacks in the 'average' gunfight, and that it's the perfect tool for carry duty. That's not what I'm telling you about the Glock, either. I've never ridiculed someone for choosing not to carry one, and never will. :)

Myanarchy's was great, until it was stolen. It was phenomenally reliable, for exactly one shot. Each and every time. :laughing: :D




I'm from the internet, I only need one shot:flipoff2:

If you like 1911s, you'll love the hi-power

I don't know. It's double action, so I'm sure the grip will be less than optimal for me. I will have to score a decent one first.

I wonder why JMB found it necessary to install the magazine safety if he really thought it was the perfect gun.

You might want to read it again. I never said that all hands are identical.

Ok, you got me. Those exact words, you never typed. You did however, elude to that point by making the statement that a Glock is never a better ergonomic fit than a 1911. That just doesn't make sense. Everyone's hands are different, and what fits changes from person to person.

I don't know. It's double action, so I'm sure the grip will be less than optimal for me. I will have to score a decent one first.

I wonder why JMB found it necessary to install the magazine safety if he really thought it was the perfect gun.

Double stack, not double action. A true hi power is single action. Some pistols that are loosely based on the hi power like the CZs, the Tanfoglios, and some Hungarian FEG pistols are double action, but aren't really a Hi Power any more.

And the mag safety was added after JMB died. Thankfully rectifying that screw up takes a whopping twenty seconds or so.

<---thinks a glock fits his hands better

I must not be human. :flipoff2:

Everyone's hands are different, and what fits changes from person to person.

Exactly. And the 1911 can change to fit those changes, with interchangable main spring housings, grips from ultra slims all the way to finger groove wrap arounds, etc. The Glock cannot do this--it is one size fits all. I personally think that the Glock is a poor fit for any hand, especially in a full size model where the backstrap's curve is even more pronounced.

No gun should be one size fits all.

Double stack, not double action.

And the mag safety was added after JMB died. Thankfully rectifying that screw up takes a whopping twenty seconds or so.

I don't know why I typed "double action." I meant "double stack." I knew that the hi-power was single action.

I thought the mag safety was part of JMB's original design, I guess I was wrong.

I carry a 5" 1911 almost exclusively. Inside the waistband, it makes little difference.

The grip is what makes guns harder to conceal. The 1911 is flat and thin...which makes it very easy to hide.

I would have said all the same things

I love carrying a 1911. I prefer it over any other handgun, because it just feels right in my hand, and I shoot better with it than anything else. I carry it with 2 Chip McCormick stainless 8rd mags.

Since opening up the feed ramp and switching to the Chip McCormick mags, I haven't had any sort of malfunctions. It shoots perfect.

Does anyone have any experience with RIA 1911s??? i have read great reviews about them but i would really like to hold one before i throw down on it..


Get one.
Get:
some mcCormik or wilson mags.
a wilson or brown extractor.
a 45 snap cap.
kroil
bore paste
1911 manual
1000rds of 230 FMJ

Ensure weapon is clear
Field strip
Make a 50:50 paste of JB and kroil.
Put a little bit on the slide rails and cocking lug.
Put slide back on and work it back and forth 200 times.
Remove and clean thoroughly.
Light oil and reassemble.
Instert snap cap.
Cock hammer.
Squirt some kroil down front face of hammer.
Give a couple second to allow oil to run down to sear hooks.
Use a two hand grip. With your weak thumb apply a little forward pressure to the back of the hammer as you squeeze the trigger. Dry fire in this manner 50 times.
Dry fire another 200 times with out the added pressure
Fully diassemble, clean, and relube.
Replace the extractor
Go to the range.
Shoot 100rds.
Field strip and clean.
Repeat 4 times.
Now shoot 500rds with out cleaning.

sounds like a lot of shit to do :flipoff2:

Do you carry these guns??

I personally think that the Glock is a poor fit for any hand
You're doing it again.

And you're still wrong. Even with an arched MSH on a single-stack to make it index on the target halfway decently, a Glock or 2011 fits my hand better than any 1911 I've ever held. I don't have your hands, and you don't have mine. What's so hard about this, and why do you keep trying to make an absolute rule out of it, when you can't?

A Glock fits my hand better.

If I could only have one gun to carry concealed, it would be a SW 360SC. I could own 2, it would be it and a G19 w/ a Surefire attached in a Comp Tac.

A "little" gun in the pocket beats a big gun in the truck every time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/10mmsheepdog/Gun/DSC04804.jpg

7 yard Lobotomy:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/10mmsheepdog/Gun/DSC04732.jpg

G19:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/10mmsheepdog/Gun/DSC03689.jpg


I do have a Springfield EMP for tuxedo carry, a Wilson Classic, and a Tarus PT 1911. I've carried the first two, but it was mainly for the novelty. I bought them so I'd have a more educated preference in what I carry. I couldn't find an advantage unless I was I was pistol sniping (WC) or was in a tux (EMP).

I carry the SW every day. It's accurate enough to hit a stationary chest sized target with at least 1 out of its 5 rounds. Nearly 100% on stationary 6" plate shots at 15 yards. The G19 is better, mainly attributed to the longer sight radius.

Lastly, I clean my Glocks every 3-5k rounds.

You're doing it again.

And you're still wrong. Even with an arched MSH on a single-stack to make it index on the target halfway decently, a Glock or 2011 fits my hand better than any 1911 I've ever held. I don't have your hands, and you don't have mine. What's so hard about this, and why do you keep trying to make an absolute rule out of it, when you can't?

A Glock fits my hand better.

If a Glock fits your hand, there is some combination of grips and MSH that'd make the 1911 fit it as well.

The Glock's grip cannot be changed without permanent modification. What part of "a hunk of plastic is always a hunk of plastic" don't you seem to understand?

What part of "a hunk of plastic is always a hunk of plastic" don't you seem to understand?


The part that makes it so dead nuts reliable that you could shoot polar bears in the arctic the day after shooting hitler in the nuts in hell, and its accurate too boot. Just because it doesn't fit your hands, doesn't mean that it doesn't fit anyones' hands.

Some people like glocks, some people like 1911s, hell some people even like Beretta 92/96s. You guys will argue about anything.

Personally, I like 1911s but I don't think you should have to spend an additional 300 bucks on ammo to "break-in" a pistol to make it reliable enough for carry. :flipoff2:

I don't think you should have to spend an additional 300 bucks on ammo to "break-in" a pistol to make it reliable enough for carry. :flipoff2:

You don't have to. Don't buy crap and everything will be fine. Of course I end up putting that much ammo through them at the range/IDPA but thats another story.

Some people like glocks, some people like 1911s, hell some people even like Beretta 92/96s. You guys will argue about anything.

Personally, I like 1911s but I don't think you should have to spend an additional 300 bucks on ammo to "break-in" a pistol to make it reliable enough for carry. :flipoff2:

I like my 92FS but try to stay out of the 1911/ Glock pissing contest :laughing:

Bitchin about ammo for break in? Who gives a shit? You're still shooting arent you?

Exactly. I put 500 rounds though anything I'm going to carry, and expect it to be 100% for every single one of them. But if it takes you 250 to break in the 1911, and the next 250 are trouble-free, and 250 is enough for you to be comfortable? *shrug*

I'm firing 500 rounds either way. So 100-200 rounds of break-in wouldn't be a huge deal.

I'm done with the pissing match, although I'd love to reply to Timmy's latest post. There's been no progress made in the last 1.5 pages, so I've decided to try to help keep the thread on-track, instead of doing my part to derail it. ;)

Bitchin about ammo for break in? Who gives a shit? You're still shooting arent you?

I'm just a cheap bastard. Why buy a $1000 gun that I have to put a few hundred bucks worth of ammo through before I think it's reliable when I can buy a $400 piece of tupperware that I know will be reliable from the first time I pull the trigger. :stirthepot:

For the record, my 1911(that I built) does get carried on occasion.

I'm done with the pissing match, although I'd love to reply to Timmy's latest post. There's been no progress made in the last 1.5 pages, so I've decided to try to help keep the thread on-track, instead of doing my part to derail it. ;)

Change your settings to display 50 posts per page...It helps you keep derailing stuff because it's not gone on as long. :laughing:

getting back on track

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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=109747254

getting back on track

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=110238354

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=109747254

i like the first one listed.. a lot.

Does one need all that shit on it?? I'm still very new to guns, so its all kind of running together.

need? no. but the trigger would be nice.


ask some of the 1911 experts here about the details. I'm not too versed in them beyond they fit my hand well and the glocks don't. :D

they fit my hand well and the glocks don't. :D

Yes they do, you just don't know it yet.

had a first gen model 22 that was a police turn in. got a decent deal on it a long time ago. with the hogue wraparound grip, it was better. but it the grip just seemed too thick. maybe I have small hands

I really liked my friend's Colt Delta Elite. 10mm 1911. yummy.

I'm just a cheap bastard. Why buy a $1000 gun that I have to put a few hundred bucks worth of ammo through before I think it's reliable when I can buy a $400 piece of tupperware that I know will be reliable from the first time I pull the trigger. :stirthepot:

For the record, my 1911(that I built) does get carried on occasion.

NOTHING can be counted on 100% untill YOU have tried it. Sure Glock may have a reputation for running like an AK, but they do occasionally have a bad day and turn out a firearm with issues, noone is infallible. Any gun you buy, you should shoot a bunch before trusting your life to it, I dont care who made it.

I'll even go a step further and say you should shoot under pressure, get some combat training of some kind. I had a couple thousand rounds through my 1911 without a hiccup, yet TnToy can tell you about the issues I had shooting in a match. My 100% Reliable pistol turned into a jamomatic, and it was mostly my fault (loose nut behind the trigger).

If you want a reliabe firearm, shoot it, A LOT, then shoot it some more, then get some training or match experience, then you can probably count on it.

No way no how can you take a new pistol out of the box, put it on your hip, and think its good to go.

Just my $.02.

Some people like glocks, some people like 1911s, hell some people even like Beretta 92/96s. You guys will argue about anything.

Personally, I like 1911s but I don't think you should have to spend an additional 300 bucks on ammo to "break-in" a pistol to make it reliable enough for carry. :flipoff2:


I wouldn't trust my life to any gun without first confirming it's reliability.

you act like plinking off a couple hundred rounds is work?!? shit that sounds like fun

i thought the same about a CZ-75-P01 9mm. VERY comfy gun. very fun to shoot, but that sucker was just too heavy for me. ??? I didn't like carrying it, even with a good OWB holster and belt.


This is the main reason I ditched my Springfield mil-spec 3" Micro Compact 1911, too freaking heavy. I always talked myself out of taking it cause it's a hassle to pack around unless I was wearing a side holster or a shoulder carry.

I now carry my .38 S&W air weight either in a cargo pants pocket or an IWB holster, hardly even know its there. I also prefer the reliability of a revolver.

I had some issues with my 1911. I shot a few thousand rounds through it while I had it with more jams than I was comfortable with. I never worked it over though, this was just shooting out of the box with immaculate cleaning after shootings. From what I did find on the net many attributed it to the compact versions, that the 1911 wasn't designed to be shortened up, not sure if that was BS or not.

NOTHING can be counted on 100% untill YOU have tried it. I beg to differ, some people can be taken at their word Sure Glock may have a reputation for running like an AK, but they do occasionally have a bad day and turn out a firearm with issues, noone is infallible. Most run like an AK, I had a bad experience with a G27 that would FTE at least 4 times per mag, I returned it. It stove piped too, but thats cuz I limp wristed a few times Any gun you buy, you should shoot a bunch before trusting your life to it, I dont care who made it.

............................................

No way no how can you take a new pistol out of the box, put it on your hip, and think its good to go. I've done that with my XD and its never had a FTE, FTF, Stove Pipe, etc.. and I carry it daily. Its only got about 500 rounds through it, but zero failures in there

Just my $.02.I added my $.02

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Why in the everliving fawk is your dumb ass carrying a light on the outside of your holster?

Why in the everliving fawk is your dumb ass carrying a light on the outside of your holster?

I was wondering WTF that was.

Why in the everliving fawk is your dumb ass carrying a light on the outside of your holster?

because I grabbed the gun from under the pillow and dropped in in my bag. got to work and went to put the gun in the holster. Gun no fit holster with light on it. Fortunately I have XTREME gear so I could take the light off the gun and put it on the holster

wheew! good thing you have XTREME gear!

because I grabbed the gun from under the pillow and dropped in in my bag. got to work and went to put the gun in the holster. Gun no fit holster with light on it. Fortunately I have XTREME gear so I could take the light off the gun and put it on the holster

Damn you tactical. Tactical XTREME!!!!11!1!one! :flipoff2:

I didn't know anyone actually used those shitty holsters.

I didn't know anyone actually used those shitty holsters.

Its actually really IMO. It has adjustable retention, which is nice because I open carry when I ride my motorycle. Only issue is that I can't holster the gun with the light on it :(

Its actually really IMO. It has adjustable retention, which is nice because I open carry when I ride my motorycle. Only issue is that I can't holster the gun with the light on it :(

Sounds like a job for larue

Sounds like a job for larue
or Crimson Trace!

I didn't know anyone actually used those shitty holsters.

I got one for free:laughing: I am thinking of screwing it to the firewall of my truck so that I have a place to put my 1911 when I am driving. IWB at 4 oclock is not a quick draw when in the drivers seat.

Sounds like a job for larue

Actually USMCDOC14 style. I'd rather stab Mark LaRue in the pupil with a rusty coat hanger than buy a holster off him.

I'm gunna get me some kydex, leather, and a few t-nuts to make a holster in the next week or two so I can carry with the light attached IWB in the small of my back.

I got one for free:laughing: I am thinking of screwing it to the firewall of my truck so that I have a place to put my 1911 when I am driving. IWB at 4 oclock is not a quick draw when in the drivers seat.

that wouldn't be such a bad idea.

ok where can i buy these Rock Island 1911's??

I've been to Cabellas and Sportsmans and the old guys behind the counter look at me like i'm asking to rape their daughters :confused:

ok where can i buy these Rock Island 1911's??

I've been to Cabellas and Sportsmans and the old guys behind the counter look at me like i'm asking to rape their daughters :confused:

I can't believe you are asking on PBB where to buy any gun, you should know better by now. :shaking:




CALL PETE!

I can't believe you are asking on PBB where to buy any gun, you should know better by now. :shaking:




CALL PETE!



:shaking::shaking:I want to hold one first

I think I've seen them at Academy. But then, they also sell H&K at academy here so I don't know.

:shaking::shaking:I want to hold one first

IT FEELS LIKE A 1911 IN YOUR HANDS :shaking::shaking:

I'll even go a step further and say you should shoot under pressure, get some combat training of some kind. I had a couple thousand rounds through my 1911 without a hiccup, yet TnToy can tell you about the issues I had shooting in a match. My 100% Reliable pistol turned into a jamomatic, and it was mostly my fault (loose nut behind the trigger).

If you want a reliabe firearm, shoot it, A LOT, then shoot it some more, then get some training or match experience, then you can probably count on it.

My XD had thousands of rounds through it without a hitch, I considered it flawless. Then I shot in the STI Handgunner, first round, 3 FTF. After evaluating the situation, I came to the conclusion that my XD is still flawless, but I can be seriously flawed under pressure.

My opinion is that the type of gun doesnt matter, your training does. The most reliable gun in the world isnt going to help you if you are a bumbling butter fingered fool under pressure

... And there it is again. :)

Read kwrangln'f first post in this thread. He had thousands of flawless rounds through his 1911. Ran perfect. Then he came and shot an IDPA match with us, and the damn thing didn't work.

Oh the gun would have worked fine, but he was drawing faster, forgot the safety once, reloading faster, and paying less attention to his grip than he did when he could take his time.

Every reload was a jam. Half the draws resulted in clearance drills. Half his mags turned out to be crap.

This is the kind of stuff you only find out when you either shoot a match, or find some land to draw, fire at multiple targets one-handed on-the-move, rekload, and do similar drills as fast as you can.

The reason I recommend Glocks for newer shooters is because they're more idiot-proof than the average gun. A 1911 takes a considerable amount of skill to run efficiently under stress. It's not hard to work, by any means, but everything needs to be a subconcious act.

I don't think 'drop the mag, rotate the gun and pull it back, draw the fresh mag, look the first round into the grip, seat, drop slide, rotate, and extend' any more. I just do it. It's like driving a stick-shift. Doing it twice a year won't prepare you for an uphill start, on ice, as another car is running a red-light and about to T-bone you. During a panic situation, if it's not automatic, you will screw it up.

Here's a good question: How many of you 1911 guys are aware of the reloading death-jam quirk? With nearly any single-stack 1911 mag (9/40/45) you can take the gun down by inserting the magazine really hard. The top round comes halfway out, and the slide strips the top TWO rounds out of the magazine as you chamber a round. THen you get to practfice clearing a double-feed. That's a great example of something many guys aren't aware of until they're doing their first slide-lock-reload at a match, or in a drill at some sort of defensive class with all the other students watching them.

... And there it is again. :)

Read kwrangln'f first post in this thread. He had thousands of flawless rounds through his 1911. Ran perfect. Then he came and shot an IDPA match with us, and the damn thing didn't work.

Oh the gun would have worked fine, but he was drawing faster, forgot the safety once, reloading faster, and paying less attention to his grip than he did when he could take his time.

Every reload was a jam. Half the draws resulted in clearance drills. Half his mags turned out to be crap.

This is the kind of stuff you only find out when you either shoot a match, or find some land to draw, fire at multiple targets one-handed on-the-move, rekload, and do similar drills as fast as you can.

The reason I recommend Glocks for newer shooters is because they're more idiot-proof than the average gun. A 1911 takes a considerable amount of skill to run efficiently under stress. It's not hard to work, by any means, but everything needs to be a subconcious act.

I don't think 'drop the mag, rotate the gun and pull it back, draw the fresh mag, look the first round into the grip, seat, drop slide, rotate, and extend' any more. I just do it. It's like driving a stick-shift. Doing it twice a year won't prepare you for an uphill start, on ice, as another car is running a red-light and about to T-bone you. During a panic situation, if it's not automatic, you will screw it up.

Here's a good question: How many of you 1911 guys are aware of the reloading death-jam quirk? With nearly any single-stack 1911 mag (9/40/45) you can take the gun down by inserting the magazine really hard. The top round comes halfway out, and the slide strips the top TWO rounds out of the magazine as you chamber a round. THen you get to practfice clearing a double-feed. That's a great example of something many guys aren't aware of until they're doing their first slide-lock-reload at a match, or in a drill at some sort of defensive class with all the other students watching them.

ok, but here is the un-deenigh-able truuf. Glocks suck. :D so what is plan B?

My .02 for what its worth.

I love the 1911 platform, I like the trigger, I like the way it feels in my hands. I don't carry one however. I don't like the grip safety (if something happens where you can't get a good grip of the gun and need to get a shot off it doesn't work. I'm not a big fan of carrying cocked and locked either, theres nothing wrong with it, but im still leary about it.

I carry a Sig Sauer P220 Combat, IWB, I'm 6'3" 185 lbs.

An article that helped sell me on the combat.
http://www.gunsmagazine.com/Odd0307.html

ok, but here is the un-deenigh-able truuf. Glocks suck. :D so what is plan B?
'Truuf' must be some sort of acronym for a largely ignorant, highly biased opinion. :flipoff2:

XD, M&P, SIG... Pick one. :D