: Boxer's wilderness bill spurs fire concerns


Crowdog
08-03-2002, 11:57 AM
Front page of the San Diego Union-Tribune!

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Boxer's wilderness bill spurs fire concerns


By Dana Wilkie
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE

August 3, 2002


WASHINGTON – It's the most ambitious environmental protection plan California has seen in almost a decade – one that would cover vast stretches of wilderness and give Sen. Barbara Boxer something to trumpet when she runs for re-election in two years.

But a chorus of concern is growing that Boxer's Wild Heritage Wilderness Act would make it harder to fight fires in California's backcountry, which is already a virtual tinderbox.

This week's Pines fire has destroyed more than 20,000 acres of mountain and canyon land near Julian and is a good example, say some of the bill's critics, of why Boxer should not place 2.5 million acres in California under the Wilderness Act of 1964. In areas protected by the act, trucks and equipment that prevent or fight fires can be forbidden.

The Pines fire has been problematic because layers of brittle grass, brush and light timber have made the fire particularly hot. Periodically getting rid of such growth – by clearing it out or burning it off – is one way of preventing fires. About 20,000 acres in Boxer's plan border Cuyamaca Rancho State Park, which was threatened by fire Wednesday.

"To allow (long-dried layers of vegetation) to lie on the ground and not be managed just puts us into a cycle of continual fires over the years," said San Diego County Supervisor Bill Horn, who opposes Boxer's bill.

A spokesman for U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-El Cajon, said the congressman has similar concerns.

"There are tons of wilderness areas in California," said spokesman Mike Harrison. "What concerns the congressman is that the people who are pushing this are never satisfied. Every time they get one place designated as wilderness, they want five or six more."

Tom Bohigian, Boxer's deputy state director, said the Democratic senator's bill would allow the federal agencies controlling the wilderness – whether the Forest Service or the Bureau of Land Management – to deal with fires and fire prevention as they see fit. If that means using firetrucks, bulldozers or chain saws, he said, that's fine.

"The senator believes that human safety and the protection of property are very important," said Bohigian, adding that Boxer worked for two years with local communities to eliminate as much opposition as possible. "That isn't to say you automatically go to the most intense response if that isn't called for. This is on a case-by-case basis."

But Jim Wright, deputy director of fire protection for the California Department of Forestry, said it's not that simple. He has seen wilderness fires grow because federal officials would not use a bulldozer to carve out a firebreak.

And while most federal agencies like the Forest Service are willing to negotiate on firefighting tactics – especially when fires threaten state-owned land – Wright has often agreed to tactics less aggressive than he would normally use.

"Once (a fire) is in a wilderness area, it's going to get bigger because of the prohibitions you have," Wright said. "You cannot . . . get right next to the fire line and work it directly with fire engines."

Most of the San Diego County land that Boxer wants protected lies in the district of county Supervisor Diane Jacob, who supports the bill, as does the San Diego City Council. A Jacob spokeswoman said it was her impression that "the fire concern is addressed in the bill."

"One of the things we said was, 'Look, that land gets pretty dry out there,' " said spokeswoman Jennifer Stone. "One of the conditions of my boss' supporting it was that the fire personnel were on board."

The state Department of Forestry has no position on the bill. Bohigian's assurances have not persuaded the Regional Council of Rural Counties to drop its opposition to Boxer's plan. The council's 29 members represent half of the state's 58 counties.

"I had a fire in my district, and when it went into (federal) wilderness areas, we had to just watch it go up the sides of the mountain," said council Chairwoman Linda Arcularius, who is also chairwoman of the Inyo County Board of Supervisors. "The engines couldn't go in, and a lot of their field crews couldn't go in."

There are also worries that Boxer's plan might hurt local property tax revenue by putting more land under the public domain, and would prevent mountain bikers and others from enjoying the areas.

"I think the bill is going to have to be tailored down somewhat," said Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the state's senior senator and a member of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, which will have jurisdiction over the legislation, SB 2535. "There are a number of concerns that have to be worked out."

Statewide, Boxer would add 2.5 million acres to the 14 million acres already protected by the federal Wilderness Act of 1964. The act forbids expanded logging, mining or livestock grazing, and prohibits new roads, motorized vehicles and non-motorized vehicles such as mountain bikes. Using chain saws – as firefighters often do to clear growth that might ignite – is forbidden.

More than 40,000 acres in San Diego County would fall under Boxer's plan, including land upstream of the El Capitan reservoir known as the Eagle Peak Complex, desert areas in the Sawtooth Mountains and Carrizo Gorge, and the so-called Hauser additions in the Barrett Lake area.

The last time a lawmaker attempted such an ambitious environmental protection plan was when Feinstein in 1994 won passage of a bill protecting 6.6 million acres of California desert. Some who work with Boxer said the wilderness protection bill would give Boxer a similar accomplishment to point to when she campaigns for re-election in 2004.

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primergray
08-03-2002, 12:09 PM
"I had a fire in my district, and when it went into (federal) wilderness areas, we had to just watch it go up the sides of the mountain," said council Chairwoman Linda Arcularius, who is also chairwoman of the Inyo County Board of Supervisors. "The engines couldn't go in, and a lot of their field crews couldn't go in."


Huh? You have to be kidding!!! That's the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard of!!!

GloNDark
08-05-2002, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by primergray
Huh? You have to be kidding!!! That's the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard of!!!

AMAZING!!!! What a crock of shit. It's so protected, that no one can save it.

So if I am ever running from the cops, can I head into the national forest and get away from them?? What a joke.

Good to see that we are not the only ones who think this bill is a complete waste of time.

scmb
08-05-2002, 03:49 PM
Hey I have a debate goin w/ a co-worker and he didn't believe that fire fighters would be restricted. So I went to here http://www.americanwhitewater.org/resources/repository/S2535.htm
and it states that the fires will still be allowed to be fought w/ any measures deemed needed by the sec. so I was wandering if the site is lying or is there something I am missing?
It also states that horses will not be banned. So is it just the horse trailers and tow rigs being banned?

larryboy
08-05-2002, 04:47 PM
tipover,imho that group is lying. a major fire in the west right now (in so. oregon) is a result of the foolish management of these "wilderness areas". the fire started in the kalimiopsis wilderness and can't be fought with modern equip. until it comes out. and it did!!! instead of jumping on a 1 or 2 acre fire they now have a 160,000 acre +/- fire. pure genius:confused: .

YellowSub1962
08-05-2002, 10:50 PM
it seems like some double talk to me....roads are not allowed to be constructed in wilderness areas, but wheeled equipment is allowed to be used....you tell me how a fire truck gets to a fire without a road, or how a hand crew gets to a fire without cutting a "line" (trail)....


:usa:

scmb
08-05-2002, 11:21 PM
I totally agree w/ you guys, but what about helicopters? Why won't they allow them? I just want more fuel for my fire, don't think I am doubting you guys.

Crowdog
08-06-2002, 06:01 AM
Here are some quotes for you:

Supervisor Bill Dennison of Plumas County:

"Some people may be encouraged by the provisions that the draft bill permits mechanized and motorized equipment for fuels treatment, or fire management, where necessary .........The operative words are “Where necessary” will be the deciding factor and determined by those who do not wish to have any forest management in California. That is disingenuous and unacceptable."
http://www.crowley-offroad.com/plumas_county_board_of_supervisors.htm

Congressman John Doolitte:

"Ironically, rather than preserve the pristine areas we all treasure, wilderness designations actually threaten the areas chance of both surviving and recovering from fire. When wildfire spreads out of control, it destroys wildlife habitat, burns fertile topsoil, and opens the door to massive erosion that can severely harm entire watersheds. Without allowing motorized vehicles access to remove dead trees and begin reforestation efforts, such lands are often left scarred for decades. Furthermore, much of our national forests are already overcrowded with undergrowth and small trees conditions that invite insect infestation and heightened fire risk. In most locations, the environmentally-sound solution is to greatly increase mechanical thinning treatments, not preclude them. Unfortunately, Wilderness Areas even ban helicopter access. This not only prohibits ecologically-sensitive helicopter logging, but it also prevents local water agencies from performing required monitoring during the winter and hampers search and rescue efforts. "
http://www.crowley-offroad.com/public_lands_should_benefit_all.htm

scmb
08-06-2002, 08:25 AM
Thanks guys:D

larryboy
08-06-2002, 04:15 PM
the term "cutting a line" refers to a fire line ie:down to mineral soil to prevent the spread of fire,not hiking in to the fire. supression efforts are allowed with hand tools and hand saws(bow saws for falling). in other words primitive tools only. the downside; after the fire is out the rehab begins. this includes covering up the fireline with forest litter and disguising any stumps. also the use of aircraft isn't allowed below 1000ft (if i recall correctly). that is the reason smokejumpers end up being used mainly on these type of fires.

whomever thought this crap up oughta be shot!