Got one. Now I have to figure what to do with it. :evil:

1) un-fuck it to pistol grip yada yada evil black features.

NEXT

Convert to a cheaper/better magazine :D

Galil?
AK-101?
other AK 5.56?
AR-15?

Pick one, lets figure it out.

101.

I like the Orlites with the high tech 3/8" galvanized pipe bullet guide.

101.

I like the Orlites with the high tech 3/8" galvanized pipe bullet guide.

I am also trying to keep it so the mags are cheap. know who has those?

I haven't seen them in a while, but I haven't been looking. The last I bought were from a pawn shop in Texas that was on gunbroker. $12.00 a piece NIW.

If you get some, be careful trimming the "gussets" on the sides. If you take your time, you can perfectly eliminate all wobble.

The Weigers are really nice and fit well. No wobble. AIM had some cheap, and Palmetto State bought the entire lot and raised the price about 30%.

C'mon Doc - don't be afraid of a little challenge - how many AR mags you got laying around. Just saying :D

I'd go AR mags...

If I've got a footlocker full of them I can't even begin to imagine how many you have laying around.

C'mon Doc - don't be afraid of a little challenge - how many AR mags you got laying around. Just saying :D

I'd go AR mags...

If I've got a footlocker full of them I can't even begin to imagine how many you have laying around.

I got rid of like 98% of my aluminum AR mags besides my Brownells ones :laughing: mostly I have Magpuls and a small pile of steel HK's

Looking at it it would not be hard. just afraid of it looking retarded :laughing:

Those friggin' Galil adapters have gone out of sight, but it doesn't look like it would be too terribly difficult to mock up a magwell extension. To use the AR mags, though, without modifying the mags, you'd have to grind/mill the hell out of the front trunnion, including grinding off a significant portion of rear rivet in the front trunnion.

So where was he buying his Saigas from?

You find out or not :flipoff2:

So where was he buying his Saigas from?

You find out or not :flipoff2:


read the "hampton roads gun show" thread :flipoff2:

ok, issues.

A ar mag will fit and making a slide in/lock in adapter would be strait forward. It would be a clone of the ones out there but made of steel sheet.

The issue is the AR magazine will HAVE to be notched at the nose on both sides (I can leave the very front) in order to clear the locking lugs on the trunnion. Some people have ground those down some :eek: but I am not fucking retarded :laughing:

so should I do it?
modified AR magazines that will still fit in a AR but working with a Saiga or something else?

modified AR magazines that will still fit in a AR but working with a Saiga

That sounds pretty cool, practical too

well its converted to pistol grip. The Tapco "normal" stock is actualy quite well made and a good "clone" of a plain black stock.
I picked one at the gun show for half price cause the metal butpad had rust spots :laughing:

no pics till I make it all black :flipoff2:

I may just say fuck it and keep the Saiga forend

I would keep the Saiga forend, they work just fine. I don't see the problem of using the 30 rnd mags built for the Saiga .223 They are pricy, but they work flawlessly. I have heard you can use the Weigers if you add a feedramp, but they are a specialty mag also and expensive. Even the Ak74 mags are way up in price.
An AR mag conversion would look terrible and I have had more toruble with AR mags than any other mag type. How many mags do you realistically need for this rifle.

An AR mag conversion would look terrible and I have had more toruble with AR mags than any other mag type.

Its not going to be a "conversion" it will be an "adapter". The rifle will NOT be modified for any specific magazine, just the other way around.

If you are having mag problems with AR's you need to be choosing better mags.

How many mags do you realistically need for this rifle.
6-10.
every rifle I have has at LEAST 6 magazines for it.

If you are having mag problems with AR's you need to be choosing better mags..

Obviously, They were USGI with green folowers. I have never had a problem with even the most ratty looking and abused AK mags. Just look at the way the feedlips are reinforced on AK and H&K mags.

I have heard that you can use AK-74 mags, but they will jam if you load them all the way. A feed ramp has to be added as well with these mags.

Obviously, They were USGI with green folowers. I have never had a problem with even the most ratty looking and abused AK mags. Just look at the way the feedlips are reinforced on AK and H&K mags.

I have heard that you can use AK-74 mags, but they will jam if you load them all the way. A feed ramp has to be added as well with these mags.
Try Brownells version of the AR mags or even magpul's P-mags. Niether have given me ANY problems

I plan on a feed ramp no matter what, even if I keep it using stock ones. That gap is kinda retarded. :shaking:

It pisses me the fuck off that 223 AK mags have gotten stupid rare and pricey :mad3: WTF I could have gotten bulgy 223 waffle mags for like $10 each just last year :confused:

6-10.
every rifle I have has at LEAST 6 magazines for it.


See my solution is so much simpler.
20 FAL mags.
Every rifle takes FAl mags

:flipoff2:

Try Brownells version of the AR mags or even magpul's P-mags. Niether have given me ANY problems

I plan on a feed ramp no matter what, even if I keep it using stock ones. That gap is kinda retarded. :shaking:

It pisses me the fuck off that 223 AK mags have gotten stupid rare and pricey :mad3: WTF I could have gotten bulgy 223 waffle mags for like $10 each just last year :confused:

Let me know if you want some Surefire, USA, 223 Saiga mags.

Let me know if you want some Surefire, USA, 223 Saiga mags.

Tell me the price first :flipoff2:

is this a POS?
http://akpartskits.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_12&products_id=52
US made front sight base with 24mm threads.
it would solve a BUNCH of shit

That company is Hesse/Vulcan/Blackthorne/etc...

A bunch of douchebags, but they do have a lot of things available nowhere else. I'd say go for it at $25, just don't buy a complete firearm from them.

That Valmet style FSB is effing pimp, too bad it's so damn pricey.


EDIT: and I love the tactical daisy BB pistol tactically wielded by the tactically gas masked tactical dude.

That company is Hesse/Vulcan/Blackthorne/etc...

A bunch of douchebags, but they do have a lot of things available nowhere else. I'd say go for it at $25, just don't buy a complete firearm from them.

That Valmet style FSB is effing pimp, too bad it's so damn pricey.

ya, I know who they are and the crap shoot of full parts kits. I just want that and some handguards.
I was thinking that and this
http://www.midwestarmory.com/page6.html
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e206/thedukeryan/741.jpg

with some US 74 furniture :evil:

One of those would be great, but midwest closed up shop a while back.

One of those would be great, but midwest closed up shop a while back.
FUCK :mad3:

now I need to find a "real" 24mm 74 brake for under say...$40 :shaking:

http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=70670
ak74 compensator new never used it the same one from k-var (not u.s. made) 40.00 shipped
If you need me to put you in touch with him for lack of a membership there, I can do so.


EDIT: fuck that noise, here's a bunch for $25
http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=70052&highlight=brake

2nd link no workie

Fixed, stupid proxy at work...

Fixed, stupid proxy at work...

If you are on the forum tell him I (you) will take 1 via paypal.

I will send him the cash once you let me know (it would look funny me joining and first post being a buy) just PM me the name to send cash to and total shipped to 23518

And I will owe ya :flipoff2:

Sent him a PM, I'll PM you as soon as I hear back.

Sent him a PM, I'll PM you as soon as I hear back.

and I did not forget, I just have been away from the burner for a bit
(its reversed, the black will be brass)

Sweeeeeeeeet.

whoevrthefuck at the Ishmash factory that decided "hey Boris, we fuck with American gunsmith and use pressed divots into drilled holes on the gasblock/front sight" needs to be beaten upside the head and neck with a half filled plastic Voldka bottle :mad3:

whoevrthefuck at the Ishmash factory that decided "hey Boris, we fuck with American gunsmith and use pressed divots into drilled holes on the gasblock/front sight" needs to be beaten upside the head and neck with a half filled plastic Voldka bottle :mad3:

mine wasn't painted under the plate they put on the bottom of the receiver

pretty sure they intend for these things to be converted.. if I hadn't taken that plate off the damn thing would have rusted through :eek:

finished till I make the AR magazine adapter.

MUCH prettier :D

oh ya, I missed a weld pinhole but I don't give a fuck :laughing:

Looks good, Gil.

Did you use one of those "adapters" for the PG? What type of handguard? And post up some mag pics.

Looks good, Gil.

Did you use one of those "adapters" for the PG? What type of handguard? And post up some mag pics.

nope, its an ERGO AK grip, handguard is a US make AK-74 clone.

hmmmm....what is this?

Oh yes. The begining of an AR mag adapter :D

There is NO WAY IN FUCK I am going to spend $100 for a nylon adapter (plastic mag well :confused: come awn) when I can half ass hack one out of scrap aluminum. :laughing:
I will detail this build/mod here unless you think I should start a separate thread.

It's your thread so Git ur Dun

There is NO WAY IN FUCK I am going to spend $100 for a nylon adapter (plastic mag well :confused: come awn) when I can half ass hack one out of scrap aluminum. :laughing:



Damnit, I thought the adapter they are about to release was steel or at least aluminum, but I just checked and your right, its plastic :( .

Damnit, I thought the adapter they are about to release was steel or at least aluminum, but I just checked and your right, its plastic :( .


Red Jacket also has one and its metal, for what its worth

FYI on the "nylon" adapters. I received the following email a couple of days ago:

"MSA will be making some changes to production. When we originally started this endeavor we planned on making the adapters out of Xenoy polymer. However, due to issues that have arisen regarding production tooling, we had to make a change in our strategy. Effective immediately, we are going to switch over to 6061 milled aluminum adapters. This will be a great benefit to existing customers and future customers, as we are now able to create one-offs at request, as well as expand over into other rifle platforms faster. I am sure a lot of questions are coming up right now about your existing order. I hope the following will help clear up some things:

* All buyers will automatically be switched to the aluminum alloy at no additional charge.

* All persons who paid an upgrade charge to aluminum will have it refunded as well.

* For those who already purchased the aluminum alloys from the website we are refunding the difference to the original $109.00 1st run price.

* Buyers also have the option of cancelling their order at which time they will be refunded in full.

* Monday we will be restructuring our pricing to reflect this change in production."

doc fell off the wagon and is now stalking some bitch named marie, oh and buy a star and re-use your red head avitar it gave me something to look forward to:D

:flipoff2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/SonoraBob/taste__.jpg

I wish I had a bigger version.

:flipoff2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/SonoraBob/taste__.jpg

I wish I had a bigger version.

everytime I had a bad day I searched for posts by you just to stare at your avatar, could have saved it to my computer but would have never gotten anything done:laughing:

What came of that adapter Doc?

I've got a trade offer for a Saiga .223 and really not sure if I NEED another rifle. I WANT one (i think) :laughing:

Also, what are these going for these days (unconverted)? I saw them on Pete's House of Fun, but says 'out of stock' or whatever. That price right I'm assuming?

350ish.

I think the only reason it says out of stock is because noone will buy it so I threw it on gub broker.

350ish.

I think the only reason it says out of stock is because noone will buy it so I threw it on gub broker.

gotcha...

I just don't know if I want it or not. I guess I could convert it and resell it for some profit if I don't get attached to it in some way...hmm...

What came of that adapter Doc?

I've got a trade offer for a Saiga .223 and really not sure if I NEED another rifle. I WANT one (i think) :laughing:

Also, what are these going for these days (unconverted)? I saw them on Pete's House of Fun, but says 'out of stock' or whatever. That price right I'm assuming?

its in the "almostdonestage" and keeps getting forgotten :laughing: it works and works well I just keep forgetting to install the mag button :laughing:

What was involved in the conversion of the hanguards and gas tube etc?

What'd you end up using for the front sight base to thread it?

Annnnnnnd as always, what're are people seeing these at? A 20" model for $400 with scope mount and 30rnd Surefire mag?? decent?