I see guys wanting scout boxs to use on toys cause the pitman arm faces foward when most don't.......matt aka "the lake rat" can build any saginaw box to work this way, my 4 bolt pointed backwards, he built me another box for use with a hydro kit I am reviewing for him, now the arm points foward. no need to search for this special scout box that is hard to find and might cost big $. just have Matt convert your box. with toy boxs going for $125 ^ get a saginaw at a yard for $20-50 and make a high pressure hose for $20-40, convert the pitman if needed and you are golden. just a FYI cause from all my reading on the net there seems to be only one scout box that points foward on scouts of about a 2-4 year area.
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what would be the benifit of the arm forward? how would you mount the draglink? got any pics?

Originally posted by 2stroke
what would be the benifit of the arm forward? how would you mount the draglink? got any pics?
In my applacation a custom frame zuk, with the arm backwards box all the way foward I couldn't run high steer withoiut the draglink and tierod on top of each other, with the arm foward there is no more interference. on a toy you guys move the axle foward to make room for big tire clearence and move the box so far foward many have to cut into the body mount. With a reverse rotation box, no need to go so far foward, makes it a lil easier, cheaper boxs to.

Some more FYI....

If you are dead set on using a forward facing box without the help of West Texas Offroad (The Lake Rat) you can find them for a good price on the scout classifieds. There was one site thet I think Old Scout gave me the address for and there were 10 or 12 of them for sale on that board when I looked.

I then had The lake Rat (West Texas Offroad) rebuild it and they did a great job, they are well organized over there and operate quickly and politly. I recomend them to anyone.

THANX FOR SIMPLifying that alittle seabass. can i see what it looks like?

i do kinda have that sort of prob with my histeer 44.

Originally posted by 2stroke
THANX FOR SIMPLifying that alittle seabass. can i see what it looks like?
mine isn't a toyota frame so it won't do any good, and my box is also on the inside of the frame like a LC but behind the rad the LC guys usally mount a saginaw box out in front of the rad.

SeaBass, what does theLakeRat charge to convert it? I am also curious as to what is changed exactly if you know...do you have any pics of your box before it was installed that might show whats been changed?
thanks.

i've been contemplating this same kind of set up. just because i don't want to have to cut into the frame and body mounts to mount the box. i really need to do something to my steering soon. i was crawiln on some blm land in wyoming this weekend and almost riped off my steering box and j arm. scared the crap out of me.:eek:

you could probably just use the pump and scout steering box to bet everything nice and easily mounted up.

Originally posted by Dingo
SeaBass, what does theLakeRat charge to convert it? I am also curious as to what is changed exactly if you know...do you have any pics of your box before it was installed that might show whats been changed?
thanks.

no idea......it's a review I know it's $450 for a hydro assist setup, I think that's your box rebuilt.

here is his site

http://westtexasoffroad.homestead.com/index.html

having a std. 4 bolt sag box that pointed forward wouldn't be of any real use to me. the toy frame is so narrow you can't even remotely easily mount and use a regular sag box. that's why I'm using a scout box ...

- jack

Originally posted by morpheus
having a std. 4 bolt sag box that pointed forward wouldn't be of any real use to me. the toy frame is so narrow you can't even remotely easily mount and use a regular sag box. that's why I'm using a scout box ...

- jack

that's cool, but are all scout boxs pitman foward?

I believe all scout boxes that mount on the outside of the frame have pitmans that point forward.

- jack

okay someone flame me then answer the question because i stay far away from scouts.

if the pitman arm points forward doesn't it push and pull in th normal directions? i'm saying this because i', guessing they come stock with crossover steering/:confused: :confused:

Originally posted by r-sparky-h
okay someone flame me then answer the question because i stay far away from scouts.

if the pitman arm points forward doesn't it push and pull in th normal directions? i'm saying this because i', guessing they come stock with crossover steering/:confused: :confused:

no flames, we are talking cross over systems so no push/pull box talk here.....so the scout boxs I refer to are crossover type.

Originally posted by r-sparky-h
if the pitman arm points forward doesn't it push and pull in th normal directions? i'm saying this because i', guessing they come stock with crossover steering/:confused: :confused:

This is a scout box:

http://www.mo-4xtoys.com/images/john/sas/box2.jpg


oh yeah, i'm talking about sag boxes that mount on the inside of the frame rail seabass (jeeps and gm cars) not the chevy truck ones that mount on the outside of the frame rail. having one of those that pointed forward might be useful but it's so large it'd be in the way pretty bad since it'd be back at about the tire.

- jack

okay i'll do alittle clarifing and see if it make sense?:confused:

okay: on a toy ifs box the pitman faces twords the rear and turns everything the right way. simple.

on the scout the pitman is facing forward. it comes stock with crossover???

if it does, wouldn't it work the same as a toyota ifs box with the pitman facing backward?

same concept except the pitman is facing forward?

sparky, that would work except the innards of the toy box would need to be changed since you'd be turning right when you really wanted to turn left. you follow what i'm saying ?

- jack

Originally posted by morpheus


This is a scout box:

http://www.mo-4xtoys.com/images/john/sas/box2.jpg


oh yeah, i'm talking about sag boxes that mount on the inside of the frame rail seabass (jeeps and gm cars) not the chevy truck ones that mount on the outside of the frame rail. having one of those that pointed forward might be useful but it's so large it'd be in the way pretty bad since it'd be back at about the tire.

- jack

great but if you turn the wheel to the left does the pitman arm turn to the left?:confused:

on a fj40 i used a scout box and had it's ratation reversed with a bronco gear by bench works steering about 7 years ago it worked beautifully but for you who are running with the pitman arm facing forward is your drag link in front of the tie rod or behind?

All Scout ll's have this type of box.The last Scout ll made was in 1980.That's ten years of building the toughest tanks on the mountain.:laughing:I don't know for sure but I believe the first Scouts w/four poppers had the same style. Scout's are everywhere back here on the east coast.Most good bone yards will have at least 2 or 3 good scout's for parts. :D

I also run this Scout 2 box on my Samurai/Toyota hybrid. I wanted the forward facing pitman for the same basic reasons, but beware, you may still have a conflict with your tie-rod hitting you pitman arm. I'm running and drag link, and a low tie-rod to avoid this. You could look into some custom hi-steer arms with the drag link connected towards the rear, or even connected to the (back of the) tie-rod in Jeep/Samurai fashion.

All Scout 2 boxes are forward facing as are some Ford 4x4, and the Toyota FJ-60 boxes. The Scout boxes are very cheap, and very easy to find. I bought mine from a Samurai guy back east, but every 4x4 junk yard I contacted also had a number of them, and all for less than $60.

The Scout uses about the biggest damn drop pitman arm you have ever seen. You will need to source a better pitman arm for a Toyota application. About a 6" hole to hole should do you. Personally I'm looking for a perfectly flat, or slight droop for my Samurai frame. Any Saginaw pitman arm should fit. That includes most larger american vehicles from the early 60's to current. Yes, the Saginaws are still made even today, and very little has changed in them. Many parts internally are interchagable to reverse rotations, or change ratios. Got a leaky box? A $30 seal kit should cure it.

I think that about covers it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by rotozuk
[B] I'm looking for a perfectly flat, or slight droop for my Samurai frame. Any Saginaw pitman arm should fit.


rotozuk,On the Scout I used to wheel,the way I had it set up I also needed a flat or almost flat arm.I took the arm off and took it to a freinds house.He is a welder by trade and knows how to weld ANYTHING really good.We took and cut the drop out of the arm and welded it back together.Then used 1/4" plate,cut pieces to fit and boxed it in.I was kinda skeptical if it would hold or not.That thing never showed any weekness and never failed.You might be able to do that,but you'll need a pretty big welder to penatrate good.Also weld carefully cause it's cast.Hope this helps Steve:D

Rotozuk.... perfectly flat saginaw pitman.... 6" hole to hole=Chev Astrovan.....

how do you go about grafting the yota section of the steering shaft to the scout end? is this a toatally custom piece? thanks

have one custom built or if you can weld :eek: break out your welder!:D

Originally posted by CRO
Rotozuk.... perfectly flat saginaw pitman.... 6" hole to hole=Chev Astrovan.....

Thanks! I'll check that out.

-Wayne