Found this on another forum. Heavy on the go pedal and the passenger is tossed around like a ragdoll.

http://www.beast40.com/yjvideo.mpg

I'd be more impressed if he made it up the obstacle. :flipoff2:

more horsepower than sense :rolleyes: he could have at least got over the obstacle.

Dallas

Holy crap man, I know that pics and video don't normally do obstacles justice, but that one really takes the cake. That looks almost like a dirt road to me. hahaha :flipoff2:

lame they didnt even have there seat belts on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s not Rock Racing!!! It's 4x4 for Special Olympics.....:flipoff2:

Obstacle...WHAT EVER!!!!!

I don't understand what was so special about that video?

Did I miss the obstacle? :rolleyes:

MJ

Ha ha...ROTFLMAO...

Ya mean chase off the vidya camra dude, miss da tree and
launch up da big rock yonder?

Ok, hold ma beer!

Jay

:shakes head:

HOMELESS!!!!

two good things:

women, and nice colour!!!

actually i like boggers too......

That guy is a MORON. That is Helicopter Pad in Tellico and it is easy to run when it is dry like that. I mean, you can crawl right up it just like it is a dirt road. :shaking:

Did I miss the obstacle?
Actually the camera guy missed the obstacle, the video starts after he has already cleared the bottom which is the hard part.

Originally posted by 350Samurai
That guy is a MORON. That is Helicopter Pad in Tellico and it is easy to run when it is dry like that. I mean, you can crawl right up it just like it is a dirt road. :shaking:

Sheesh... I remember when that rock on the side at the beginning was just a wee little thing sticking out of the dirt wall... and back then, there was no "bypass", ad the last climb to the top was not worn down like it is now...

Oh well, I guess times and the obstacles change :shaking:

well i just wasted 5 minutes of my life downloading that...man that guy is a tool...and your right...idiots for not wearing the seat belts... that chic was getting thrown around like a rag doll, all slumped down in the seat screamin probably...just like my wife does...at least i strap her ass in though...

When was that taken? I was there about a month or 2 ago, and it wasn't near as nice... it was pure slicked up rock... maybe the video doesn't do it justice, or his buddies had kicked all that dirt loose.. It was packed solid when I went up it.

You can walk that when it's dry. That guy is a fool. But throw a mornings worth of rain and that is one tough spot. Last time we were there it was January and had snow on it.

Wow... what a dumbass

So he is a dumbass for building his rig to where he can drive it like he wants to? I pray one day that I will be able to drive my truck like that without breakage.

And I can bet money he ended up making it up the 'Pad! That is the easiest part. So yall westcoasters make it up every obsticle first try every time???

That driving style is the norm on East coast, and it seems pretty similiar to West coast RCAA competition style, but I dont see people calling Chris Durham or Shannon Campbell a dumbass???:rolleyes:

Here's a better pic from the bottom. The video starts right where the man in the white shirt is standing. From that point it is 3 backward endos to the bottom if you screw up.


Originally posted by GloNDark
Holy crap man, I know that pics and video don't normally do obstacles justice, but that one really takes the cake. That looks almost like a dirt road to me. hahaha :flipoff2:

Pic?

Originally posted by Hobsdaddy
So he is a dumbass for building his rig to where he can drive it like he wants to?....

AKC! dont take it personal bud, I dont even know the guy.. but sure looks like a dumbass to me..plus who says he even built it?

Sorry, it's in this thread

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=11764&highlight=helicopter+watts

So he is a dumbass for building his rig to where he can drive it like he wants to?
Nope -- I don't think anybody commented on the rig. Kudos to the rig for standing up to the driving. :rolleyes: Poor Jeep.

I pray one day that I will be able to drive my truck like that without breakage.
Aim higher than that... :rolleyes: Bad driving fast isn't 'driving with style,' ... regardless of which coast you're on. Glorifying wrecking your junk really 'gits it,' I guess? :confused:

Since you picked drivers I've watched for three years, I'll comment even further. Both Shannon and Chris have a plan of attack when they hit an obstacle, and both possess an uncanny degree of control through that obstacle. What makes them even more fun to watch is their ability to adapt to obstacles dynamically as they roll through them... but underlying all this is a significant degree of *CONTROL* -- and THAT is what impresses me, personally.

Watching folks command their vehicle through obstacles is sweet -- and impressive. Watching folks throw their vehicles at obstacles with no plan and no control... that's not impressive to me, but I'll still watch... It's sorta like when you're scanning channels and stop for a minute on the Jerry Springer Show. You don't WANT to watch, but you can't help it.

Randii

AKC! dont take it personal bud, I dont even know the guy.. but sure looks like a dumbass to me..plus who says he even built it?

No offense taken...doesnt matter if he built it or paid someone too, it was built for his style of driving.


Aim higher than that... Bad driving fast isn't 'driving with style,' ... regardless of which coast you're on. Glorifying wrecking your junk really 'gits it,' I guess?

It always kills me when people from the West coast try and tell us East coasters how to drive :). What you saw is not bad driving, that was actually a great attack at Helicopter Pad, he made it up quickly, without getting his body into Rainbow rock. If you try crawling you will just slide into the rock and get massive body damage, fullwidth or not.

May not look like it but under full throttle he still had good "uncanny degree of control" just to stay on the trail and not launch off into the woods. If that happened then I would agree that he's a dumbass.

Both Shannon and Chris have a plan of attack when they hit an obstacle, and both possess an uncanny degree of control through that obstacle.

I have seen lots of video of Durham in RCAA where he gets pissed off and just drives recklessly off the course without care. Campbell ive seen get pissed and put way too much throttle into it out of anger for a assured break. Not much uncanny control there sometimes...shit happens, just making a example.

Im going to start posting to all the pics and video of West coast wheeling with "Aw man what a dumbass you didnt climb that gracefully enough...Oh my God you used way to much throttle that was just ugly your a dumbass..." :rolleyes:

When Lance stood his cruiser up on the ass-end at that club competition they had did anyone call him a dumbass and tell him how much of a shitty driver he was??????????

Originally posted by Hobsdaddy
If you try crawling you will just slide into the rock and get massive body damage, fullwidth or not.


You're wrong. That video (IMO) depicts the obstacle to be dry. If the obstacle is dry it can be crawled with barely spinning a tire (no matter if they are 33s or 38s). This guy looks like a fool because he made it more of a challenge than it really is when it's dry.

You're wrong.

I have never seen anyone climb that crawling without spinning a tire dry or not. Ive seen buddies try and get body damage. How long has it been since youve been there???

This guy looks like a fool because he made it more of a challenge than it really is when it's dry.

More of a challenge??? He launched up it in about 3 seconds...that makes the obsticle look easier to me. Your conception of how to have fun while climbing something isnt the same as everyone elses. Why do you think people make hybrids? They shoot up every obsticle like that and make everything look easy. And they have fun doing it.

Originally posted by Hobsdaddy


I have never seen anyone climb that crawling without spinning a tire dry or not. Ive seen buddies try and get body damage. How long has it been since youve been there???



More of a challenge??? He launched up it in about 3 seconds...that makes the obsticle look easier to me. Your conception of how to have fun while climbing something isnt the same as everyone elses. Why do you think people make hybrids? They shoot up every obsticle like that and make everything look easy. And they have fun doing it.

We were there in January. Ran up guard rail and the pad. Didn't need near that and guard rail was still covered in snow when we got there.

Yes more of a challenge. My perception of having fun is TO MAKE THE OBSTACLE. Not questioning the climb, but his approach at the exit. He hit the top so hard that the rebound from his suspension and tires would've NEVER allowed him to climb it. A good driver would've known that beforehand when they planned their approach. He didn't make that attempt due to his speed, which he chose, thus he made it more of a challenge than it really is.

My perception of having fun is TO MAKE THE OBSTACLE

Making a obsticle can be done with many different types of driving styles.

Youve met Frankie up at EROCC...you consider his driving style idiotic??? Cause its the same style.

Im not here to argue with you, we all have different opinions on wheeling. Just want to point out not everyones opinion on how to have fun offroad is the same.

Hey you..... Out of the Gene Pool!

Originally posted by lwg
Hey you..... Out of the Gene Pool!


ROFL! :eek:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hobsdaddy
[B]





It always kills me when people from the West coast try and tell us East coasters how to drive :). What you saw is not bad driving, that was actually a great attack at Helicopter Pad, he made it up quickly, without getting his body into Rainbow rock. If you try crawling you will just slide into the rock and get massive body damage, fullwidth or not.





ive crawled it several times and never hit that rock...... ive also stood it straight up at the top twice...... that trail cant be laughed at, but it is doable.......ive made it every time!

That guy was totally out of control, idiots are always FUN to watch :D

It always kills me when people from the West coast try and tell us East coasters how to drive.
It always kills me when someone from the East generalizes that this is a geographical thing... ::rolling eyes::

May not look like it but under full throttle he still had good "uncanny degree of control" just to stay on the trail and not launch off into the woods.
It is certainly hard to tell it from this video. I see someone well beyond apparent control, ragdolling his way up an obstacle and getting denied on the top, almost resulting in an endo. Certainly film doesn't tell all, but that's what it looks like from here. Maybe it is just my geography?

I have seen lots of video...
Yeah, and I have seen a lot of up-close in-person competitions. See above -- video doesn't show the whole picture.
I've seen Durham throw his rig up over a point, into a guaranteed high-center, pivot on his undercarriage as he slid back downhill, with just enough momentum on the nose end to push the front wheels down in contact with the rocks so that he could gun it and drag the truck out going 90 degrees different direction, set up perfect for the next gate.
At the same event (different obstacle), I saw Shannon drive vertical up a wall, slide the front wheels diagonally down the wall with wheelspin and spotter muscle, then play the resulting bounce on the front end to carry the wheels away from the wall, moving forward through gates... that same obstacle he exited on one wheel (and still in pretty obvious control, IMHO - he'd just waved his spotter to the side)
http://www.4x4wire.com/gallery/trailshots/4x4_Trailshots/Competitions/GSERCN_ARCA_2001/Second_Day/a78864_18.jpg
BTW, that's Pewe running for his life on the left -- as a mark of a true professional, note that he's got his camera pointed over his shoulder and is still shuttering off shots. :cool: More shots of this sequence are at: http://www.4x4wire.com/cgi-bin/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=trailshots/4x4_Trailshots/Competitions/GSERCN_ARCA_2001/Second_Day&img=24 and http://www.4x4wire.com/cgi-bin/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?direct=trailshots/4x4_Trailshots/Competitions/GSERCN_ARCA_2001/Second_Day&img=36

Both of these guys can be serious technicians, but both can certainly get P.O.ed and make bad decisions. Competition is like that -- ask some of the fellas on this board about the stress level. This yahoo in the yellow wrangler flailing (and failing) up that hill -- what's his excuse?

I bet it ain't geography. :flipoff2:

Randii

This yahoo in the yellow wrangler flailing (and failing) up that hill -- what's his excuse?

haha where in this video do you see it say he didnt eventually make it up?


It always kills me when someone from the East generalizes that this is a geographical thing... ::rolling eyes::

so your saying east and west coast is geographically the same and you can do both with the same driving style? Im not a idiot and I know due to different terrain I would have to drive differently out west.

In a competition sence, time is a factor, and he would have made it up much faster then crawling up it. He didnt break, all he needed to do is back up and hit that last ledge again and make it with time to spare. The audience would get a great show too, as you can see by the audiences reactions in the video.

so your saying east and west coast is geographically the same and you can do both with the same driving style?
No. I'm saying that it is silly to judge one's comments based on one's geographical location. Check the thread -- the negative comments in it seem universal regardless of the writers' geographical location. Some are from the East, others from the West.

You're the one who brough geography into this in the first place:
That driving style is the norm on East coast, and it seems pretty similiar to West coast RCAA competition style, but I dont see people calling Chris Durham or Shannon Campbell a dumbass???
...at the same time as you compared trail driving to competition. :rolleyes: Talk about apples and oranges!

In a competition sence, time is a factor, and he would have made it up much faster then crawling up it.
Is there no middle ground? My junk goes down to 210:1, but there are 19 other speeds in the gearboxes. Looks to me like that guy might have been faster NET to make that run at a quarter throttle, instead of with the pedal buried, or at idle. The wheelstand and resulting backdown cost points and time over one fluid, CONTROLLED run... and he isn't competing so why does the time matter?

As for this comment:
It always kills me when people from the West coast try and tell us East coasters how to drive.
I re-read the thread. I didn't see anyone telling anyone else how to drive. Hell, I didn't see West vs. East (geography again) 'til YOU brought it up.

My original comment stands: I'm unimpressed. The apparent lack of control still looks like bad driving, to me. I'd think so if I saw it here, I'd think so if I saw it there.

Randii

Originally posted by Hobsdaddy

Youve met Frankie up at EROCC...you consider his driving style idiotic??? Cause its the same style.

**SNIP**

In a competition sence, time is a factor, and he would have made it up much faster then crawling up it.


About Frankie's driving- Fun to watch, yes. Practical for competition, not if he doesn't win.

Since you brought up competition- That second statement shows you don't know all you think about competition. Theoretically with that attempt he would have been credited with a back and stop (assuming he made it on his second attempt). Wouldn't it be smarter to approach the climb in control so that your suspension rebound doesn't force you to take those points? In a competition there is always ample time to take it slow through an obstacle. Something the length of helicopter pad would still be given 8-10 minutes. You telling me you rather make it with 2 or more points in 30 seconds than crawl it in 2 minutes with 0 :shaking:

Also good driving is good driving. That's why East coast guys can hang out West and vice versa. That is not good driving.

Looks to me like he was having fun.. I don't give a fawk how he drives; it's his buisness! Stop picking... No one was affected by his drivng! Were you?:flipoff2:

I would have to say it looked like he was doing it "hammer down" because of the crowd. The photo does show a dry climb, and I know you can crawl it when it is dry because I've seen it done many times. The style he used is the tactic needed when it is wet, but he wasn't doing it just to 'make' the obstacle, he was doing it for the crowd, and for that he was a success.

randii and bigdude, you both have good valid arguments and Im not trying to sound like I know everything...re-reading some of the things I typed sounds like it though.

Not trying to start a East/West war either...I just see that type of driving a lot here and I see that type getting to the top of the obsticle a lot more then people with low crawl ratio's trying to crawl it.

Never been to a rockcrawling competition either, which showed when I was talking about time...I didnt know they gave you that much time for a obsticle. So yes...a little slower pace would have gave a better score. Wow I learned something today.

Bigdude you got any video of you going up Helicopter? Not being a smartass I just seriously want to see someone crawl up it without wheel spin and without body damage. Ive seen Bob Hazel try crawling it when it was dry as hell and had to end up throttling to get up it (not saying he's the best driver in the world) but he has a well setup jeep. Seen other well setup vehicles try and it always ends up after trying to crawl having to gas hard to get up it.

Originally posted by CHOKEu
Looks to me like he was having fun.. I don't give a fawk how he drives; it's his buisness! Stop picking... No one was affected by his drivng! Were you?:flipoff2:

Some of us on this BB like to argue. Especially on Tuesday nights when their girlfriend is at a Tom Petty concert and they had to stay home because work the next day is too important. So yes I'm affected:flipoff2:

Originally posted by bigdude


Some of us on this BB like to argue. Especially on Tuesday nights when their girlfriend is at a Tom Petty concert and they had to stay home because work the next day is too important. So yes I'm affected:flipoff2:

:D :D

Originally posted by Hobsdaddy
Bigdude you got any video of you going up Helicopter? Not being a smartass I just seriously want to see someone crawl up it without wheel spin and without body damage.

Sorry no video camera in my house. We might be up there in a few weeks (myself, snobrder, Buddy, maybe others) If it's dry I guarantee at least one of us will walk it (unfortunately it'll probably be Buddy because he can flat out drive). Snobrder has a video camera so maybe he can tape us there. I did watch an XJ on 38s walk it when it was wet in November, that was nuts :eek:

What do you say Mike C.? Tellico one day and Ken's stuff the next over labor day weekend? That sounds like a nice warm-up for ERoCC.

I have video of me walking up it without even hardly using the throttle, much less spinning the tires. Yes, it was dry.
We might be up there in a few weeks
Let me know when you guys are coming up, I'd like to do some riding with you all. I'll get Kevin (toploader4x4) and a few more guys to come with us.
I have a camera and the best videographer on the mountain.(my wife) :D

yeahh i got a few videos of walkin it..... hell 5 or 6 in a row walked it.... in one video

Originally posted by 350Samurai
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Let me know when you guys are coming up, I'd like to do some riding with you all. I'll get Kevin (toploader4x4) and a few more guys to come with us.
I have a camera and the best videographer on the mountain.(my wife) :D

Sweet!

Even if we can't get a big group together I'll definitely be up for it. I haven't been riding in about a month and the last time we went to Tellico was January. Everybody else gets their fill of driving excitement at ERoCC while I just get to move rocks and pull on a rope:D

Originally posted by badassjeepguy
yeahh i got a few videos of walkin it..... hell 5 or 6 in a row walked it.... in one video


Post them up i'd love to see them..... out of the 30 or so rigs i've seen go up the pad not one has walked right up it...... I'm not saying it can not be done i just wanna see it to see if your taking a different line or something...

i have no clue how to get vhs on here.....lol but a few others on the board were there........ borninajeep, rockbound, bellyup....... everyone kissed the rock but me.... but we all walked up.... at the top i had a slight issue, backed up a little then walked it......

Originally posted by randii
http://www.4x4wire.com/gallery/trailshots/4x4_Trailshots/Competitions/GSERCN_ARCA_2001/Second_Day/a78864_18.jpg


Randii [/B]

Hey Randii, not to get off the subject, but is Shannon running a 14 bolt semi floater here?

I wish I was out wes so I could go to the comps and watch Shannon instead of hoping for pics in the magazines!

Thanks,
Mike

Hey Randii, not to get off the subject, but is Shannon running a 14 bolt semi floater here?
IIRC, the Psycho Billy Cadillac was running sixties at both ends, back in .... hmmm... musta been 2001?

He ran Pinky for years with 10/12-bolt axles, but now that he's building chassis/rigs, he's been turning them over quite a bit faster... I'm not at all certain that he's still running 60's front and/or rear -- I've certainly heard him complain about their weight.

I think this is a picture of Shannon's latest rig:
http://www.4x4wire.com/cgi-bin/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=trailshots/4x4_Trailshots/Competitions/RCAA/2002_Cedar_City/&image=cedar23.jpg&img=12&tt=
... purple tube and clear panels... definitely a Campbell Enterprises chassis, but I can't guarantee that's Shannon's rig. Those look like Dana 60 slugs, tho.

BTW, the coverage for that RCAA event is at:
http://www.4x4wire.com/events/2002/rcaa/cedar/

Randii

Personally, I think:

There IS a difference between driving in the terrain of the east ..... who cares??? Guy's having fun.

Maybe he could have used more technique...... who cares???? Guy's having fun. I'm sure at the time he did this he did not realize he was going to end up being critiqued on some BB. Give him a break.

The only thing I have issue with in the video is having a passenger in the vehicle when you are about to take a run at an obstacle like that. I often have passengers, but if there's chance of a roll, I tell them they'll have to watch this time....

other than that, it's not a competition, and it appears to me that everyone is having a good time wheeling tough terrain, so what's the problem? It would be different if the guy DOING it was on here asking for pointers....

Originally posted by randii
Hey Randii, not to get off the subject, but is Shannon running a 14 bolt semi floater here?
IIRC, the Psycho Billy Cadillac was running sixties at both ends, back in .... hmmm... musta been 2001?

He ran Pinky for years with 10/12-bolt axles, but now that he's building chassis/rigs, he's been turning them over quite a bit faster... I'm not at all certain that he's still running 60's front and/or rear -- I've certainly heard him complain about their weight.

I think this is a picture of Shannon's latest rig:
http://www.4x4wire.com/cgi-bin/gallery/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=trailshots/4x4_Trailshots/Competitions/RCAA/2002_Cedar_City/&image=cedar23.jpg&img=12&tt=
... purple tube and clear panels... definitely a Campbell Enterprises chassis, but I can't guarantee that's Shannon's rig. Those look like Dana 60 slugs, tho.

BTW, the coverage for that RCAA event is at:
http://www.4x4wire.com/events/2002/rcaa/cedar/

Randii


What did he ever do with Pinky? That was a sweet rig! Did he keep it or sell it?

Originally posted by bigdude


Sorry no video camera in my house. We might be up there in a few weeks (myself, snobrder, Buddy, maybe others) If it's dry I guarantee at least one of us will walk it (unfortunately it'll probably be Buddy because he can flat out drive). Snobrder has a video camera so maybe he can tape us there. I did watch an XJ on 38s walk it when it was wet in November, that was nuts :eek:

What do you say Mike C.? Tellico one day and Ken's stuff the next over labor day weekend? That sounds like a nice warm-up for ERoCC.

Sounds good to me. I'll pack the camera for ya...

Originally posted by snobrder


Sounds good to me. I'll pack the camera for ya...

Sweet!

Start getting everyone in your area rounded up 350sammy, looks like an assault on Tellico August 31st (the Saturday of Labor Day).

Sweet! Start getting everyone in your area rounded up 350sammy, looks like an assault on Tellico August 31st (the Saturday of Labor Day).
Done!