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Snoopy

10-27-2008, 12:44 PM

Mechanos

10-27-2008, 01:18 PM

No Chadall, you aren't the only person I've impressed with service. But there are a few guys here that I've given stuff too (mech and chi) that had to wait and one (rock tractor) I've had no experience with at all, and they are MORE than happy to tell you what a :eek:-up I am. Eagle-Mark had it right, I have made people wait, but I've never cheated anyone (I'm sure some guys here will take exception).

Chi says I owe him some money. I didn't know that, but if he'd like to PM me his Paypal, I'll send him it. However, I don't think he would ~ Seems too happy with his 'justified' responses to threads like this.

Frankly guys, I moved to a shop. Left the office at home. ALL CUSTOMERS WHO EMAIL GET MY CELL WITHOUT EXCEPTION. The office line is for messages and call-back purposes. Besides finishing the few remaining bumper orders I have, I work on projects now. I have 8 of those and can't afford to do anythind else. Soon my website will reflect that. Also, I only sell a few products now, things that can (and do) ship on a regular basis (DUIs, Corbeau, Howell TBI, etc). I've literally stopped taking orders for some products that have caused problems ~ sending customers to the above mentioned businesses for timely service. Would-be customers give me a mixed reaction to that... Oh well.

I realize you guys are a tough crowd. You've given me medicine when I needed it, and some of you tried to get me to over-dose a few times for 'fun'. Frankly, I do the best I can given my situation. I'm not the best BUSINESS man out there, this is true. But I do what I can, and to those of you who hate ~ I'm improving where I need to.

To whomever started this thread. Sorry you've had a hard time getting ahold of me. You didn't give your name, your low post count leads me to believe you didn't try PM'n me. Nor have I gotten any emails from you. I'll send a PM to you right after I hit the 'post' button with my cell phone, so you can get a hold of me.

Chi, Mech, RT ~ anything else?
Now I didn't just jump on the bandwagon and start ranting on this thread as it's all in the archives already. But since you specifically called me out on this one, let's take a little walk down memory lane.

You mention one incident with me.... over some shit that you said you'd donote free for the Rubicon run. I had nothing to loose on that one since it was a "give me" and wasn't overly concerned with it. I even told you not to worry about powdercoating them since they were free. Now the only reason I gave you any greif about that was that you SAID you'd give them to me and then didn't.... for a looooooonnng time. I was simply holding you to your word. I personally take pride in my word.... if I tell you I'm going to do something then it will get done. Now I'm not perfect either, but very very seldom does it take nearly a year of someone hounding me to honor my word before I follow through. So, in short, don't tell someone you can do something in X amount of time if you can't.

Now, the only reason I "dealt" with you on those sliders was because they were a freebie. Why is that? Well that goes back to my one and only cash dealing with you. Shall I recap?

I ordered a cage kit from you. You all too happily took my credit card info and immediately charged my card and I was told something like "a couple weeks". After a couple of weeks, I was told it will ship in a couple days. After a couple days I was told it will ship next week. This shit went on for something like a month and half until you actually admitted to me on the phone that you didn't have any cages bent up and were waiting on the materials to be delivered so you could get some bent up. Now remember, you've had my money for a month and a half and didn't even have the fucking material in stock to make the damn thing.

Something like 2 months after the order, I finally got the cage kit. When I unpacked the kit and went to test fit it, I discovered that I had a main hoop, 2 rear bars, a couple of spreaders and 2 more rear bars... no front bars. I called you up and you sent out the 2 front bars. Another week lost to shipping and when I get the bars, the notch on one of them is about 1/2" to 3/4" off the center line of the tube. I had enough dealing with you and didn't even call you on that.... just took it upon myself to rework it and make it fit. Yes, when you saw the pics online, you did offer to replace them, but I'd already lost far too much time jacking around with your bullshit, shoddy work and flat out lies. I'm sure your recollection of the event is different.....:shaking:

Snoopy

10-27-2008, 01:22 PM

There ya go ~ Fair enough.

scout800

10-27-2008, 01:31 PM

This is why I always order something simple from a vendor I have never done business with. By the way, the T-shirts that I ordered 6 or 7 years ago...are they on they way?

Snoopy

10-27-2008, 02:29 PM

I can't even remember what t-shirts I had 6-7 years ago?!?! Are you serious? Tell you what, PM me your T-shirt size and address ~ and I'll throw a couple at ya.

JetFxr

10-27-2008, 08:11 PM

As you guys will note I am a peepin Tom and don't post here very often but how could I pass this up! I sponsered the "Fresh Meat Build" and that just how I felt after I wrote the checks. I had heard all the trash about D&C but I let D talk me into the build (that makes me the dumb ass). And when anything was wrong it has been my fault (D&C moto customer is always at fault). My deal cost over double the estimate and 10 times the time frame. Parts are missing and now I have to get a another shop to fix it or start over. I had a conversition with D we agreed never to speak again, I told him he would see threads like this because of the shit he pulled. FEELS good to see I was right...........Robert

james west

10-27-2008, 08:22 PM

i didnt read all the posts in this thread , but....

i got a cage from him a few years back. it didnt fit together, the notches were hack. i ordered seat mounts that didnt ever come. i'm 5'8" and my head hit the tubes. i couldnt see out of the windshield properly. it ended up at the recyclers. :shaking:

go to your local shop and have custom shit made.

Snoopy

10-27-2008, 08:56 PM

Rob ~ ahem JetFxr ~ your the biggest damn lier I've ever met. Worst than any person on this or any board by far. Now you've made Tom a lier too. Your an .....
I know what you're checking for guys. Smart really, I was about to put things in this little spot, but man, this guy has stole enough from me, waisted too much of my time and now does nothing be wallow in his shameful BS...but still, for the record ~ he's...
....a really good guy. It was a pleasure doing 'business' with you. :shaking:

Honestly, I hate this guy like the devil himself. He used me so bad....it would make some of you really proud. I get burnt up just thinking about what this (nice guy) did. But regardless, that without him, Tom wouldn't have a chance at the new racer Rob and I put together for him and be stuck driving his old car. And even though he and I don't get along, I honestly can't fault him for helping Tom. And as much as I hate him, I have to give him some props for that.

JetFxr

10-27-2008, 09:03 PM

There ya go Great CS from D&C.:mad3::flipoff2:

Eagle-Mark

10-27-2008, 09:07 PM

There ya go Great CS from D&C.:mad3::flipoff2:

:flipoff2: That's a freindly smilie around here. I think you meant to use this one... :flipoff:

Snoopy

10-27-2008, 09:11 PM

Old Robby-boy can do whatever he wants now. As you can see.....
Oh there I go again. I'm such a bastard for letting this guy get me so much.
.....He's a nice guy!

Oh Eagle-Mark, thanks for the clearification, but I think we all know what he meant. ;)

....A REALLY REALLY nice guy!
I wonder if he'll figure this black lettering out [thinking] Na, but one of you POR guys will tip him off.

bassdude

10-27-2008, 10:13 PM

binderbasher

10-27-2008, 10:16 PM

Heres a thought Damien. When everyone around you is a liar and a asshole, the asshole is usually you. Pull your head out of your ass and people will stop kicking you in the balls. Your over all service and business ethic sucks.

Snoopy

10-28-2008, 08:03 AM

You're probably right Basher. I am the :eek:hole. Like those above said, and we've been through this all before, I have problems delivering bumpers, and at times, cages. I don't deny that, as you can see. However, when Rob tells me 3 months previous to seeing this that this is exactly what he'll do, then says ~ swears! he won't...then this. That I take exception to.

Call me a bastard, tell me to pull my head out of my oriface ~ Fine! Its helped me now and in the past. But read that build. Notice how much work Paul did. I paid Paul to help me and hourly rate. I NEVER charged Tom or Rob for that work. Rob only covered expenses, and not all of them ~ no shipping, never paid for the axles, and the motor used for mockup was donated. I gave all that to Tom hoping it'd help, and then this. Honestly BinderBasher (et. al.) what would you do? If you did all that work, all those hours, for nothing ~ Do you want to see the totals? I've got the exact invoice and what was paid. THIS! I don't deserve. Not from him. Not from Tom.

ChiScouter

10-28-2008, 09:56 AM

FWIW as soon as I post this I will pm my paypal address to snoopy. If I get it I will post that it was received.

Since my slider mess I haven't visited snoopys website or followed any of his threads. Can someone post a link to the "fresh meat build"

Snoopy

10-28-2008, 10:22 AM

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650974

Ben Segrest

10-28-2008, 10:23 AM

Chi it's on the front page, just below this thread right now.

Snoopy

10-28-2008, 10:28 AM

One down. One to go.

This is why I always order something simple from a vendor I have never done business with. By the way, the T-shirts that I ordered 6 or 7 years ago...are they on they way?
Still waiting for a PM from you Scout800. Are you Tom C? If so, I've already got your addy, just need your size.

Eagle-Mark

10-28-2008, 10:53 AM

Hey I ordered 47 tee shirts, two lockers and a winch but never got them? Want my address?

Snoopy

10-28-2008, 11:05 AM

BRING IT! :laughing:

NVScouter

10-28-2008, 12:52 PM

My deal cost over double the estimate and 10 times the time frame. Parts are missing and now I have to get a another shop to fix it or start over.

OK looked over the build and the work is quality...heavy...but quality.

So what was the quoted price and how much did you end up paying?

What parts are missing?

It apears to be done minus the skins/tires in the last pic and was "sent to MT". So what justifies having a shop rebuild the thing?

Snoopy

10-28-2008, 02:06 PM

RustoleumWhite

10-28-2008, 02:31 PM

Initially we started off at $3000. $2000 for the suspension parts, $1000 for the tube for the cage. With the extra of $500 for misc stuff. I'll post the invoiced on the build thread.

Rob only remembers $2000.
What was your contract?

What inclusions/exclusions where listed?

What about time frame, sounds like it was over a year late, how does that factor in??

PEOPLE!! both customers and vendors, you REALLY need to write out contacts... in writing (i.e. on paper) that both sides agree to. They don't need to be fancy, just a list of what services are to be provided (with decent detail), cost for services, payment schedule and penalties/cost for late delivery, re-work, time extensions, damage/theft etc. I can't believe how many of these stories I've heard that could have been easily settled with a simple contract or SOMETHING in writing that showed what each party was bringing to the table and how long it should take. Then people need to hold to it.

As directly for Snoopy, from a neutral observer, most complaints I have heard about you is poor communication, especially associated with delivery of finished product. Work on that. If you don't have the parts yet, TELL the customer that. Don't take any money atleast until you have all the raw materials. Make contracts for custom orders. If you need a little more time ASK for it, don't wait for the customer to call asking about it. Then the biggest (not directly directed at you Damian, more of a general rule for vendors), DON'T LIE. This is a big one in all business. If you say its "in the Mail", it better be in the mail, if its not in the mail, say so. If you've been too busy to get to it, SAY THAT. We've learn in our business (contracting) and its a standing rule by the boss here, tell the truth, even if it will make the customer pissed off. Cause once the customer finds out you lied to them, shit hits the fan.

/rant off

Snoopy

10-28-2008, 02:52 PM

I agree.

(this message was edited for time, and content that does nothing to resolve the issues at hand.)

JetFxr

10-28-2008, 03:32 PM

This will be my last post on this build! I brought Snoopy to Billings on my dime to work out a build. Turth is I did not want to rebuild my offroad Scout at that time. We had a discussion about Toms racer and I wanted to help Tom out as I feel he is a great spokesman for the IH comuinity. I felt that if I could get all the IH venders in on this it would help all of us who are looking for parts and also bring the value of all Scouts up.
We talked about two months and 2000.00 I even told him the money would be tight at this and I could come up with an extra 500 if needed but only if needed. I felt this would help him and all the venders who get on board (I would gane nothing). After he had my money he did not start the build for six months and only after I was going to have a shop here in billings do the work! The build was only going to be two months more like two years. Even at the end of the build you were quick to point out that there was a balance of around 900.00 then invoiced me for over 1500.00 to include trips to Ace hardware for bolts (Priceless). And for the record I paid 400.00 two have the chassis brought here to Montana. As for the work the chassis was spose to pass CORE tech and I know it will not at this point. Looks good for a home built race chassis but we did talk over and over again about CORE. I will have a shop here go over the welds thay will need to be tig welded to pass and also there are places where the welds do not go all the way around the tubes. And also I spoke with Jeff today and he did send you the swaybars and links they are not in the chassis WHERE ARE THAY!
As far as my feeling about Snoppy go BE A MAN OF YOUR WORD. I feel you have lied and cheated me as you have many others here on the board. See when you take someones money and forget to send there stuff it maybe minor to you but it makes you a theaf. A "T" shirt maybe minor to you, but someone else my have bought it for a gift or it maybe a lot of there hard earned money.
Bottom line you spent my money that I could have done many other things with and I will call you on it. As I told you in emails this would happen and it did without me doing it.
You know Snoppy you said I was I love with Jeff at IHonlynorth True he is a man of his word, I am doing a frame off now and when ever I call IHonlynorth I get the truth and if he can't help me he is HONEST. You give a black eye to the vendors here and thats why you get called out.

Tom I am very sorry that I got you involved in this I feel I kinda drug you in kicking and screaming.......I am VERY SORRY
Nough said

Snoopy

10-28-2008, 03:49 PM

Rob is a great guy, in all reality. I even told Chris that when he picked up the chassis. He flew me out there, we chatted. I spent the night in his guest room, and he fed me more than anyone has on a short trip ~ and good stuff too.

The only problem I have with Rob is the one we're currently discussion, and for some dang reason, can't make it stop.

Rob was supposed to supply a chassis. We were to build that one ~ the one behind the left side of his house. It was blue I think. He was going to bring it down with the t-ette for a desiel swap. Come the delivery time (RMIHR 2007), I had not seen the needed funds, nor the chassis. At RMIHR Rob, who wasn't supposed to be there, came down and gave me a check for the remainder of the suspension. No chassis, he did bring me his bumpers back for a change in color and the grill hoop. Still hasn't paid for that. As for the $2000 ~ That was for the suspension (see payments made on the invoices). The last $1000 was given january of this year. As you can see by the build thread and the dates it was posted, I had aquired many of the parts for the build and the last $1000 paid for the tube and misc.) After that time, we found some corbeaus, a wiring panel, and a few other odds-n-ends that kicked the budget out of the water. The ending balance with add-ons was a full $1005 over what we agreed to but included more than what was initially talked about. Again, we should have writen things down.

The delay between July 2001 and late January 2008 was my fault. Obviously the 'free' time I had when this idea was born, was over and gone. I had to make a living. The Evolution project was completed then, and that's when we moved the Racer in. I worked on it as quickly as I could without compensation. I felt I was within project budget. I thought we both understood why the project was delayed. I was wrong. Period, end of story.

Rob. I have already abandon my claims to the project to attempt to make this right with you and Tom. The delays cost me that and I'm at peace with it. I've said it countless times in emails, but again; We built this chassis for Tom. Lets leave it at that and go our seperate ways.

PS ~ No, you can't have your ring back.

Snoopy

10-28-2008, 03:53 PM

You are correct. Jeff's sway bars were left at the house. When I was talking to Tom the morning Chris was coming to get it, we went through all the things that I needed to take to the shop for the pickup. BOTH of us forgot about them, and they were left here at the house. I will send them to Tom.

PS ~ TIG welding is not required on mild-steel DOM, its recommended. TIG is more crucial on chromolly steel due to its make-up.

PPS ~ [EDIT: not worth the effort]

PPPS ~ No, you stil can't have your ring back. I hocked it. (this is a joke. We're fighting back and forth like divorcees, I personally think its somewhat amusing)

scout800

10-28-2008, 04:47 PM

One down. One to go.

Quote:
Originally Posted by scout800 View Post
This is why I always order something simple from a vendor I have never done business with. By the way, the T-shirts that I ordered 6 or 7 years ago...are they on they way?
Still waiting for a PM from you Scout800. Are you Tom C? If so, I've already got your addy, just need your size.

Nope not Tom. Just a guy who will never give you free advertisement. Keep your freakin $30. Hope all this works out for you.

Snoopy

10-28-2008, 06:56 PM

Then are you saying your okay with it? No disrespect man, but it certainly doesn't seem like it. You brought it up, you must want something. Let me give you your money back ~ you can still hate me after the fact.

Do I owe you money, or do I owe you nothing?

jprimo

10-30-2008, 03:28 PM

I guess I find this amusing as well, since I am posting for the first time since being a silent watcher.

I just have to ask...

The delay between July 2001 and late January 2008 was my fault. Obviously the 'free' time I had when this idea was born, was over and gone. I had to make a living. The Evolution project was completed then, and that's when we moved the Racer in. I worked on it as quickly as I could without compensation.

What the :evil: you do for a living? With all this free stuff, no comp work, and back payments you have to be doing something to bring home the turkey bacon. You do that and still get the $ to play with trucks?

binderbound

10-30-2008, 03:36 PM

I guess I find this amusing as well, since I am posting for the first time since being a silent watcher.

I just have to ask...

What the :evil: you do for a living? With all this free stuff, no comp work, and back payments you have to be doing something to bring home the turkey bacon. You do that and still get the $ to play with trucks?

Snoopy's wife has a pretty good job and they are also foster parents to a couple kids.

I think Damian over extends himself and then can't follow through. I believe he is a great salesman and 'front' man but when it comes to the nitty gritty, he falls short. Doesn't make any of this 'ok' by any means. Just my .02

Snoopy

10-30-2008, 06:50 PM

Snoopy's wife has a pretty good job and they are also foster parents to a couple kids.

I think Damian over extends himself and then can't follow through. I believe he is a great salesman and 'front' man but when it comes to the nitty gritty, he falls short. Doesn't make any of this 'ok' by any means. Just my .02
Thats a great sum-up of it all. Except for my wife stopped working last January. We have our hands full with buildups and Fosters. We don't live the high-life by any means, but we spend less than we make, and save a little or a rainy day. Can't complain really.

I pay back what I can. Chi ~ and this Scout800 fellow ~ if its a matter of 30-40 bucks, then why the heck not. I mean, even though I'll never do right by them, I can at least do what I can. I mean, 6-7 years. One hell of a grudge ~ baggage if you ask me. I might as well do what I can.

Honestly, as Rob alluded to, this build was supposed to be quick. 1-2 months. It was AND IS for a good cause. Unfortunately I didn't start when I was supposed to. Rob was going to bring a chassis and I was going to deliver it back to him at RMIHR 2007.
That obviously didn't happen and I still didnt' have any chassis by delivery time. Its not Robs fault for not bringing it down ~ its just he's got to make a living too and life has a way of getting away from you. Needless to say, the 'free time' I had was used up already. And as you stated, I had to 'bring the bacon' and started working on projects. Therefore it had to wait till I had more 'free' time. Honestly, I didn't have the time to give the chassis come Jan ~ at least 6 months worth ~ but it had to be done. No I didn't get paid, but I'm am one he** of an :eek:hole and a theif ~ according to my good budy ~ for doing something for free.

In all, I'm glad I did what I did. I'm not happy about the time it took, but still. I wanted to help Tom, and I did what I could. I built a decent racer, I donated as much time as I could. Rob wants to help Tom too, and although he and I don't get along, I still think he's a real decent guy outside of our jacked up partnership. He's helping Tom, and by the end of this will have much more into the racer than I do. When Rob and I were talking all that time ago, I was really impressed how Rob has helped Tom in varioius ways over the years. That's why we went into the racer. Tom's one lucky guy to have a buddy like Rob thats so willing to help.

Snoopy

10-30-2008, 06:54 PM

Nope not Tom. Just a guy who will never give you free advertisement. Keep your freakin $30. Hope all this works out for you.
So Scout800. Do you really want me to keep the money? Or are you going to pop back up in another 6-7 years to give me grief?

Eagle-Mark

10-30-2008, 06:56 PM

ChiScouter

10-30-2008, 09:53 PM

Thats a great sum-up of it all. Except for my wife stopped working last January. We have our hands full with buildups and Fosters. We don't live the high-life by any means, but we spend less than we make, and save a little or a rainy day. Can't complain really.

I pay back what I can. Chi ~ and this Scout800 fellow ~ if its a matter of 30-40 bucks, then why the heck not. I mean, even though I'll never do right by them, I can at least do what I can. I mean, 6-7 years. One hell of a grudge ~ baggage if you ask me. I might as well do what I can.

Honestly, as Rob alluded to, this build was supposed to be quick. 1-2 months. It was AND IS for a good cause. Unfortunately I didn't start when I was supposed to. Rob was going to bring a chassis and I was going to deliver it back to him at RMIHR 2007.
That obviously didn't happen and I still didnt' have any chassis by delivery time. Its not Robs fault for not bringing it down ~ its just he's got to make a living too and life has a way of getting away from you. Needless to say, the 'free time' I had was used up already. And as you stated, I had to 'bring the bacon' and started working on projects. Therefore it had to wait till I had more 'free' time. Honestly, I didn't have the time to give the chassis come Jan ~ at least 6 months worth ~ but it had to be done. No I didn't get paid, but I'm am one he** of an :eek:hole and a theif ~ according to my good budy ~ for doing something for free.

In all, I'm glad I did what I did. I'm not happy about the time it took, but still. I wanted to help Tom, and I did what I could. I built a decent racer, I donated as much time as I could. Rob wants to help Tom too, and although he and I don't get along, I still think he's a real decent guy outside of our jacked up partnership. He's helping Tom, and by the end of this will have much more into the racer than I do. When Rob and I were talking all that time ago, I was really impressed how Rob has helped Tom in varioius ways over the years. That's why we went into the racer. Tom's one lucky guy to have a buddy like Rob thats so willing to help.

First of all I received 45 today in my paypal account, I didn't go back to find out the date, but it was first offered around 2 years ago which was 2 years past the time that we made our deal. Grudge, baggage, not really. It was brought up to illustrate a long term pattern of you promising things and not delivering. Now its just another symbol of your inattention to details and reluctance to fulfill your end of a deal.

Before getting involved with you I had read many threads on the BB from many disgruntled people who had proceded me. Before my thread calling you out it was always your word against the other guys, you were a better debater, and always had supporters who hadn't dealt with you but vouched for what a great guy you were, and one who would never do the things you were accused of. You had been wearing a thick coat of teflon and were pretty cocky. You came out in my thread on the attack thinking you were going to discredit me, but I had a slew of pm's from the beginning of our transaction to cover everything I had accused you of and 2 years of frustration over having been treated like a chump. You kept talking shit, and I kept exposing it. When you realized you were not going to be able to discredit me and I kept exposing lies you went through and edited or erased most of everything you had said. I thought you had learned your lesson, and I asked a mod to close the thread. Since then nothing has changed, you are just using a different stratagy to skate away from controversy.

I think I read earlier that you were not sure who the original poster was who started the thread. Just how many people are you 6 months behind in delivering product to?

Witts Off Road

10-31-2008, 03:46 AM

Damian if your ready to refund money to folks I'd like to get the 500.00 I paid for that bumper back in '05. You can keep/sell the dana 300 I sent over there. PM if you can refund and I'll send an address.

Thanks,

Ken

jdjanda

10-31-2008, 06:45 AM

Take this shit to Chit Chat, I'm tired of the D&C Drama :rolleyes: Let them have fun with it for a while.

scout800

10-31-2008, 08:17 AM

I could care less about the $30, looks like you have your hands full with other people you have pissed off. Like I said before, I always throw a little bone to a vendor before I spend big money and this is a great example why.

Harvester of Sorrow

11-01-2008, 12:05 AM

Snoopy

11-01-2008, 07:45 AM

larboc@hotmail.com

11-01-2008, 08:53 AM

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Quh8viF6mcOH7M:http://directorofrecruiting.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/13/popcorn.jpg

tee hee

BLK Scout 800

11-01-2008, 04:42 PM

Ken is MB#1 on the BB. He wanted a bumper, he lives in Hawaii. He was going to be transported back to the states and asked me to hold onto it which we have done. Then his Scout got smashed by a lady I think was on drugs and ended up needing repairs. He has not contacted me for years. He still has a bumper here.

Wow it never ends....:laughing: Ship his bumper or refund his money THEN.............................................. .................................................. ..........................

Eagle-Mark

11-01-2008, 11:35 PM

For sale, best offer!

Witts Off Road

11-02-2008, 01:37 AM

A bit more clarification.....

I'm not mad at Damian at all. I have dealt with him for years and I know that if you have him do something it will take longer than expected - thats just one of the "givens" if you want stuff from him. Sucks if your new and don't know, but I guess thats what the search button is for.

Its not all his fault. I am in the Marine Corps and seem to get sent over there more often than I should, so I'll get something going then be gone for 7 months to a year.

After I got here in hawaii some crazy bitch was all jacked up on a drug called Ice. She comes flying down the grass shoulder of the road then starts playing Dukes of Hazzard with my Scout and 40" tires. I think she ran into me 7 times all told. Her sebring didn't come out well. It was a really funny experience until I got in the middle of nowhere an hour later and the damn tire fell off when the ball joints failed. In the end I wound up narrowing the front and did not need a full size bumper anymore.

I got a PM from Damian yesterday and I'll send my address over shortly.

I am sure that Damian will make it right, just takes some time.

Blind Driver

11-02-2008, 05:46 AM

For sale, best offer!
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/Blind_Driver/DandCGiftCertificate_b2b-450.jpg

No thanks. I'll just print out my own :p

Urban Wheeler

11-02-2008, 07:57 AM

[QUOTE=Snoopy;8935648]Thats a great sum-up of it all. Except for my wife stopped working last January. We have our hands full with buildups and Fosters.

:confused:

http://www.rough-trade.com/images/fosters.jpg

:flipoff2: I stay out of these threads because I have no experience with the guy, just stories from people who have dealt with them.

Snoopy

11-02-2008, 08:01 AM

http://www.rough-trade.com/images/fosters.jpg
Now that is funny. Sometimes I think those are the 'fosters' I'd like to have to deal with.

What page are we on now? I think we'll need more Fosters:p

Blind Driver

11-02-2008, 08:21 AM

[QUOTE=Snoopy;8935648]Thats a great sum-up of it all. Except for my wife stopped working last January. We have our hands full with buildups and Fosters.

:confused:

http://www.rough-trade.com/images/fosters.jpg

Foster's is simply Budweiser for Aussies. :flipoff2:

Snoopy

11-02-2008, 08:39 AM

Foster's is simply Budweiser for Aussies.
Ah man A mass-produced brew? :( that really bums me out ~ I'd at least have a micro-brew. Like FatTire, or LaughingLab, or .... what other [supposedly decent] beers are there? ... oh yeah. Sam Adams, Heiniken (sp?), Bristol, Phantom Canyon....(uh, I'm out of beers at the moment. Sorry).

:beer::beer::beer:
:beer::beer::beer:

Blind Driver

11-02-2008, 08:46 AM

Ah man A mass-produced brew? :( that really bums me out ~ I'd at least have a micro-brew. Like FatTire, or LaughingLab, or .... what other [supposedly decent] beers are there? ... oh yeah. Sam Adams, Heiniken (sp?), Bristol, Phantom Canyon....(uh, I'm out of beers at the moment. Sorry).

That's what it tastes like. Give me a dark brew with a kick. Bud is water compared to what I drink :)

Docfranco

11-02-2008, 09:08 AM

It's nice to see you turn this into a funny Damian.
I really don't understand why you are still in business. I guess there are enough newbies "discovering " scouts to keep you going.

When you screwed me a few years ago, with bumpers, and cage. much longer times frames minus the pads for mounting ect...as usual i was wrong and i must have a different high lift..it would not fit on the bumper mounts. you told me i was wrong....yeah right.

I don't want anything from you. i have moved on. But it really pissed me off at the time on the BB and even here i think some posters stuck up for you, just because you make a slick website and cater to scouts.
And it is STILL going on WTF???
Maybe you should be doing something else to keep the lights on....

Scouty

11-02-2008, 10:18 AM

Can this thread be moved to the General Chit-Chat section, that way it will be ok for you guys to touch your pussies

Snoopy

11-02-2008, 10:28 AM

ChiScouter

11-02-2008, 10:43 AM

It might find a new and larger audience in the bad sellers forum. Its just old news here.

Docfranco

11-02-2008, 10:44 AM

Second, it will stop any more useless replies from keeping it up at the top.

Nice slap...asshole. This "useless reply" is showing you have a long history of screwing customers who in good faith sent you their hard earned $$$$ :mad3:

You always have a nice comeback to make us look like the asshole. As an earlier poster mentioned..if everyone of us are assholes...maybe it is YOU.

BLK Scout 800

11-02-2008, 11:42 AM

One, any future searches for 'D&C' in the 'IH' forum will bring up this thread and show everybody what a douche I am. Second, it will stop any more pissed customers from keeping it up at the top.

:lmao:

Rock Tractor

11-02-2008, 12:23 PM

He usually gets these threads deleted.

Snoopy

11-02-2008, 12:41 PM

True, the bad-sellers forum is for items bought and sold over POR. Neither Rob or GotIt were deals made on POR. Combine that with it getting burried in the Chit-chat forum. Which is why I suggested it simply get locked.

Snoopy

11-02-2008, 12:45 PM

Nice slap...asshole. This "useless reply" is showing you have a long history of screwing customers who in good faith sent you their hard earned $$$$ :mad3:

You always have a nice comeback to make us look like the asshole. As an earlier poster mentioned..if everyone of us are assholes...maybe it is YOU.
So let it die already.

Eagle-Mark

11-02-2008, 02:20 PM

No no Scouty. This is way more fun.:shaking:

Honestly, I recommend locking the thread will accomplish something much more important. One, any future searches for 'D&C' in the 'IH' forum will bring up this thread. Second, it will stop any more useless replies from keeping it up at the top.

So let it die already.TTT

No no Scouty. This is way more fun.:shaking:

Honestly, I recommend locking the thread will accomplish something much more important. One, any future searches for 'D&C' in the 'IH' forum will bring up this thread. Second, it will stop any more useless replies from keeping it up at the top.
If you really want it at the top maybe the mods can make it a sticky! :laughing:

Damien, I can't believe your still getting away with this shit on a customer level. You are one of the best con men I have ever met and an expert bull shit artist. This is only the retail side.

Years ago before everyone on the Internet knew you were an asshole, when I set you up with a silver spoon for the aftermarket parts company I worked for, you did the same thing to me. I made one trade with you for advertising on a buildup and you lied, cheated and bullshitted my boss to get double what we agreed on to cover your bill. You took a customers money for our parts, but never paid for them, then wanted them for free by screwing me. That ended quick when I showed the e-mails that outlined the advertising in return for items (also never got the advertising). After that you had to pay up front when ordered, and you didn't, but we still got calls from customers wanting to know when their parts would ship, you had their money and we hadn't even taken an order...

In retaliation you used your mormon brethren in my local club to spread rumors about how much money I made behind the scenes of the club website (never a nickle), and how I screwed you on a wholesale level, ruining my reputation locally. Who would believe me when it's a mormon to mormon? I feel like I was the only survivor at mountain meadows.

You are a ruthless, lying, back stabbing con artist who has lied and bull shited so much for so long you can't even remember who you screwed?

BTW the gift certificate I listed for sale is real, I figured I would use it in the future along with the fair lead you owe me. Maybe you should just PayPal me too! I can't see your busness lasting much longer...

Scouty

11-02-2008, 03:34 PM

All of us here already know about D&C, so what value does it add to keep pissing on him here in this forum. If a noob has a question about D&C, give them shit about learning to search or give them the link to old threads, there is plenty of D&C shit already posted. Rehashing the same D&C shit every time it comes up fills this forum up with bullshit. Move this shit over to the BinderBulletin if you want to fuck D&C. I hate sitting at the computer during the weekend being part of this bitch session, but my shit isn't driveable while I wait for one of these to come:
http://www.ihonlynorth.com/forums/attachments/new-products-ih-only/2946d1224520489-aluminum-radiators-scout-ii-img_2360.jpg
http://www.ihonlynorth.com/forums/attachments/new-products-ih-only/2945d1224520489-aluminum-radiators-scout-ii-img_2359.jpg

Nathan

11-02-2008, 04:37 PM

Scouty-

What's the specs on the radiator? How much $$$ and where from?

Nathan

Blind Driver

11-02-2008, 04:43 PM

Scouty-

What's the specs on the radiator? How much $$$ and where from?

Nathan

Try calling IHonlynorth.com :flipoff2:

It's on the friggin' pics :laughing:

Scouty

11-02-2008, 05:54 PM

Scouty-

What's the specs on the radiator? How much $$$ and where from?

Nathan

I don't have a lot of info on the radiator, as I will be testing one out for IHONLYNorth. It is a direct bolt in, however there is a floating mechanism that is supposed to reduce the rigidness of the stock radiators. The body flex from the last Rubicon trip tore the tanks on my last radiator, so I hope this new floating thing works. Give Jeff a call at IHONLYNorth for more info.

Chief yelling alot

11-02-2008, 07:45 PM

Well my 2 cents worth

About a year ago I ordered a Borgenson steering kit for the small input steering box after 3 months I made the calls and sent the e-mails wondering where my parts are, and is was all BS! Eventually got my parts but it was like pulling hens teeth. It was frustrating. Then when I did get my parts the steering box end U-joint was the wrong one it was for the large diameter input… I was pisses but instead of fucking around with D&C (caus I know that wasn’t going anywhere) I found the part I needed at a local parts store.

I hope this call-out ether gets D&Cs act together and do good business or sends them out of business. I do believe that the BB should also be brought to attention to this thred

BamaScout

05-11-2009, 11:15 PM

I just wasted 30 minutes of my life

keeptahoewhite

05-12-2009, 11:21 PM

:shaking:... and revived this bs?

BLK Scout 800

05-13-2009, 12:07 AM

^^^

That's the best first post you could come up with???

Man all the info on here and the best you could do was to pop off with some dumb shit like that........fucking tool :shaking:

keeptahoewhite

05-13-2009, 12:38 AM

Wtf?

What should I have posted? A comment in an older thread?

BLK Scout 800

05-13-2009, 12:53 AM

Sure then you would have proof you are a noob who can talk shit and search :laughing: :flipoff2:

keeptahoewhite

05-13-2009, 12:56 AM

Or should I have started a thread like This (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=244591&highlight=)? :D

BLK Scout 800

05-13-2009, 01:01 AM

So you can search :flipoff2:

BLK Scout 800

05-13-2009, 01:04 AM

Now you just need to learn to wheel then you'll be cool like me.....

Here ya go ;)

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=787400

keeptahoewhite

05-13-2009, 01:08 AM

If I was searching and started reading an old thread about D&C I would be happy if I only "wasted" 30 min.

BLK Scout 800

05-13-2009, 01:09 AM

If I was searching and started reading an old thread about D&C I would be happy if I only "wasted" 30 min.

Fair enough :laughing:

keeptahoewhite

05-13-2009, 01:18 AM

That is a big "scout" you have.

I cant believe this thread is on top still.... MY bad

BLK Scout 800

05-13-2009, 01:35 AM

No Damian's bad he has fucked so many ppl and yet he still comes on here and post like any of us give a fuck :evil:

I'm sure by now he is going under.......:laughing:

BamaScout

05-13-2009, 02:49 PM

^^^

That's the best first post you could come up with???

Man all the info on here and the best you could do was to pop off with some dumb shit like that........fucking tool :shaking::flipoff2:

as for reving this, it should be stickied at the top as requested. There are plenty of better places to do business with. I had my one experience and that was enough, but I did eventually get what I ordered.

okkool77

05-13-2009, 03:13 PM

I personally havent done any business with D&C, though some of the sliders were pretty tempting to buy. But from all the bad customer service reviews everyone has been so happy to submit here, just let him go under and not recomend him to anyone. Let him turn into a shop like Scoutparts.com has...

DJForrestA

05-13-2009, 11:23 PM

Snoopy

05-14-2009, 09:13 AM

Damien,
Thanks for taking us mormons down with you bro. Why don't you see what you can do about killing some homeless people and starving some puppies to death and your transformation to the dark side will be complete.
This one is worth replying too.

Forrest, that is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You might as well accuse me of polygamy and discounting grace for works. Honestly man. That was ..... Nevermind.

EDIT:
Okay folks. I realize you people are bent on my destruction. You seem to feed on it. Hell, I wouldn't be a damn bit surprised if you guys remind each other to resurrect threads like this just to say the same things you've all already said.

Understanding that this will fall on completely deaf ears, I'm going to say it anyways. For years you have seen me defend myself over and over again. Many of you harbor ill feelings over personal experience, some from friends experiences, and others just for the hell of it. Yes, among you, there normally is a MASSIVE target on my back just waiting for cheap stabs and critical words. So be it.

But what you guys have failed to notice is almost equally as retarded as my delay in doing it. How many of you have taken a good look at my website as of late? [Ya ya I know ~ 'as a matter of principle you don't go to 'questionable' websites that you find unethical'] Well, take a look.

In your blindness, I'd like to call your attention to what to any other person would see right away. Take a good look at my website. I've changed it a bit. Notice what's missing? Like 3/4 of the products are gone. I've literally stopped selling most of the products I used to pimp everyday. Whenever I get calls about certain products I can't deliver in a reasonable time frame, I now turn business to vendors who can deliver.

Ask how many days [one guy here] got his Corbeau seats in? In all his eagerness to brag about them, did he once give me any props? Hell no. Sure, he emailed me, but I honestly beleive that the so-called bad sediment in his (read nor-cal) circle of friends kept him from doing so. Ask Irv if he got my order or [another vendors] order first ~ this was AFTER the other vendor WARNED him about me. Seriously man. You're like a bunch of little girls, standing around in a circle, whispering in each other ears, and pointing your shaking fingers. Please.

Back to the point, I've stopped taking orders for 'trouble' parts as well. Those things I have shown that I can't deliver, I've stopped selling. Things that I can deliver, I do still sell. Many moons ago, it took up to MONTHS to ship a cage kit ~ ridiculous. Now a days, things are different. 2 of the 3 most recent cage kits sold shipped merely DAYS after being ordered (and I build to order, no exceptions). ALL of the recent cages shipped within a WEEK of the order. I now have bumpers IxN STOCK, and ecept for custom parts ~ which I have shy away from considerably ~ ALL of my current orders are recent. EXTREMELY recent.

Further. Have you visited my forums on the BinderPlanet? HAve you seen what you'll find there? ONLY BUILDS. As I have changed up a few things (noted above) I've turned primarily to builds. Customers who pick the pace and the products going on their rigs. Since this is literally my main source of income now, I spend 95% of my time doing it.

In short, and to a very real point ~ Your 'cries' (forrest will understand the reference) have been heard, and I have been doing things about them. But the thought that bringing this thread (or one like it) to the top every six months will change anything, is much like my original thought that I could do right by you. Frankly I know my weaknesses, I've thought hard and (yes forrest) even prayed to know how I can fix them. Over the years I've attempted to 'try harder' which obviously hasn't worked. What I have done recently seems to be working. My limiting what I sell, and focusing on fewer orders I've alluded everything but the 6-month reminder/resurrection post.

I'm calm and have a clear conscience regarding what I've been working on and currently approaching. Some of you probably think I'm 'past feeling' ~ But I've started something that will continue until I choose ~ regardless of what you say. Not only have I done everything I can do, and I'm doing more.

Understanding that some of you won't be satisfied until I'm dead and gone ~ you may, if you wish, continue this thread as long as you'd like.

Eagle-Mark

05-14-2009, 02:32 PM

This one is worth replying too.

Forrest, that is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You might as well accuse me of polygamy and discounting grace for works. Honestly man. That was ..... Nevermind.

Are you really a Mormon? I can't believe they would allow you in? I would love to attend Mormon church here but I do not own clothes fit for church.

Why would you find polygamy offensive? Isn't that a vision of your prophet John Smith? Didn't Brigham Young (my fathers last name) take on many wifes when they were widowed? And what's his name Lee (my mothers last name) I may be a blood relative of your founding fathers. It sure left their communities free of homeless widows and homeless mothers. I really look up to the Mormons with their outlaw past of not letting government dictate how they live by their religion. You (Damian) are the only Mormon I have met that does not live up to their standards and have left doubt in my mind that other Mormons would sway their judgment over truth to help another mormon.... I still look up to Mormons as they are so happy and raise fine young men and lead very whole sum lives. Jealous I guess...

I'm still waiting for my fairlead and gift certifacate prize! :shaking:

Urban Wheeler

05-14-2009, 03:59 PM

I just wasted 30 minutes of my life

Thanks for bringing this back, noodle dick.

Mechanos

05-14-2009, 04:58 PM

...understanding that some of you won't be satisfied until i'm dead and gone ~ you may, if you wish, continue this thread as long as you'd like.
ttt

blackrider

05-14-2009, 11:21 PM

Damien...
get a fucking clue man .sounds like nobody on the IH forum wants to listen to your bullshit anymore,you fucked over your partner ,you fucked over several ppl on pirate.just go back to the binder bulletin where you can be appreciated.
Good Bye...

Snoopy

05-15-2009, 09:09 AM

you fucked over your partner

D and C started in 1999. It stood for Damian and Christy. She's my wife and the business was started in her parent's garage. Considering we have children, your statement is accurate.

Mechanos

05-15-2009, 09:47 AM

D and C started in 1999. It stood for Damian and Christy. She's my wife and the business was started in her parent's garage. Considering we have children, your statement is accurate.

Really?.... Per your website, the "C" stood for Chris.... as in Chris Normile. Seems like you are still living in your own little world and making shit up to suit your story. Or is it that you've been lieing to so many people for so long that you've forgotten what the truth really is?

D and C Extreme has a long, but unofficial history. It actually started many years ago when two high school friends, named Damian Grihalva and Chris Normile made spare money detailing cars. Slowly the dreams broadened and the duo began rebuilding, restoring, and customizing Porsches. Sooner or later that also ended with Damian going into the mission field and afterward got married to his bride Christy. Education was the goal for Damian and before that goal got accomplished, Christy gave birth to a beautiful son named Matthew.

Months later, Chris got a hold of me (Damian) and talked me in taking a semester off school to custom build and program a new electroplating facility in Union City California. Out of state tuition at the University of Colorado, Colorado Springs had taken its toll on my budding family and we agreed to come out to work off some debt.

While in California, I visited Anything Scout in Palo Alto to see what I could do to improve my 1970 Scout 800a. After a while I started nickel plating components for Anything Scout. Later, Bill, the manager, asked if I could weld a nice tire carrier for his tricked out Scout 800. I agreed and soon I had a beautiful bumper mounted tire carrier for Bill's Scout. As luck would have it, Bill talked me into producing tire carriers as an after-market manufacturer. And D and C was reborn.

From that humble, and almost by chance, beginnings in Feb. 1999, D and C added "Extreme" to the end of its name and designed a new front and rear bumper to complement its tire carrier. D and Cs first appearance was at the 1999 IH Western Regionals (a.k.a. Tulare 99). We borrowed a beautiful 1973 Scout II (from Jim Parker), outfitted it with our prototype bumpers and nerfbars, and headed to the show in a barrowed RV. At the show we were asking only $175 per bumper or tire carrier and only got one order. Despite dismal sales, we met Rod Phillips(of Giddum Up Scout), John Comer (of Gryphin Racing) and tons of great Scout folks. Those contacts and the orders that trickled in afterwards are what inspired me to continue with D and C Extreme's custom line of bumpers for the IHC Scout and Scout II.

From our humble beginnings inside my in-laws garage, D and C Extreme Ind. has steadily matured into a full-fledged 4WD customization firm. To aid us in our tremendous growth, Chris Normile moved to Colorado Springs to help us move into and set up our first shop in December 2000. By December 2001 we had outgrew our small 1600 sq ft facility and obtained a new 4,375 sq ft facility. By March of 2002, everything was set, work was pouring in and D and C grew from 2 friends into 2 freinds and 3 other employees.

Satified that he'd finished his part, Chris moved back to Northern California where he now is the shop foreman at the 4 Wheel Parts Performance Center in San Jose California. Chris has always been a cherrished friend and his experience in custom 'building' large shops was greatly appericiated during our gowing time.

By September 2002 D and C was back up to 4 highly motivated fabrication wizards (meet them in our "Meet The Team" section of this website) ~ And the rest is history...

We hope you like what you see!
Damian Grihalva
Founder, D and C Extreme Industries.

Colorado Dave

05-15-2009, 10:23 AM

fucking owned..... well played. :smokin:

Snoopy

05-15-2009, 10:27 AM

Good gravy batman. Did you even read what you quoted? Ya, I'm owned. :shaking: Well played indeed. :laughing:

The original D&C did start, just after high school detailing cars and various other odd jobs. However, 'D&C' was reborn years after the 'original'. As it said in your quote.

Continuing it also states that I started D&C Extreme in my in-laws garage, without Chris. While working for Fred and Chris at ElectroChem. Chris was the Facility Engineer of Electrochem and hired me for some programing. That's were I learned to weld. After I got In-state status (going to UCCS) I moved back to Colorado and started attending the university.

Chris stayed in California and was not apart of 'D&C Extreme' till after his first marriage failed and he lost his job. He and 'girl' (his girlfriend) then moved out here to help out with the shop ~ AS STATED IN YOUR QUOTE!

D and C is into 4x4s but he (Chris) always wanted to take it into rally and SCCA arena. He stayed until his friends put his house in foreclosure 2 or 3 times. Chris, was always a sports car/bike guy. But when Noelle lost her income, they moved back to California along with Dan and Chris SOD (son-of-dale). That left me, jeremy, and I believe Derrick. In late 2003 I shut down the large shop and moved to the smaller off El Paso shortly after Chris's move.

Saw Chris a few years ago, he used to come out for a pottery thing up in the mountains. Talked to Dan two days ago, was told Chris is now married and has a little girl ~ I think named 'Hailey' or that's what it sounded like. This most recent post (the one I replied to earlier) prompted me to give Chris a call. Haven't heard from him in quite a while ~ bummer thing is that I had to leave a message.

Truth be told, Chris could be considered a partner. I got the name 'D&C' from our youthful shinanigans (sp) ~ great times. And although he wasn't an original partner, but I consider the time he and Noelle were here a good time.

BamaScout

05-15-2009, 11:49 AM

Thanks for bringing this back, noodle dick.

any time pussy

scout800

05-15-2009, 11:52 AM

http://www.affirmation.org/images/plays/mormon_boys_800.jpg

90WAG

05-15-2009, 12:25 PM

[]

There's something odd about those fellows, but I can't put my finger on it.:confused:

levi1a

05-15-2009, 02:21 PM

DJForrestA

05-15-2009, 09:24 PM

http://www.affirmation.org/images/plays/mormon_boys_800.jpg

Man I barely recognize myself. Jeff Ishmail has lost a little weight too.

JetFxr

05-15-2009, 10:15 PM

Ya know "D" I have stayed away from all this fun, You have even put your personal life and faith up for scrutiny here with your piss poor business practices. Maybe you should look over on the Land Rover board, fresh meat and for at least a short time you may even get respect until you pull the same crap over there.:shaking:

Eagle-Mark

05-16-2009, 01:33 AM

CSmith

05-16-2009, 03:45 PM

Everybody take one of these and settle down.:flipoff2:

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/0/10/27_2007/Tampax.jpg

BLK Scout 800

05-17-2009, 10:48 PM

Mech did you ever get your sliders or what ever the fuck it was Damian owed you?

Mechanos

05-18-2009, 07:28 AM

Mech did you ever get your sliders or what ever the fuck it was Damian owed you?

Yes..... a couple years later and after much public ridicule.

TxWngRider

05-19-2009, 11:53 AM

okkool77

05-19-2009, 12:02 PM

I have very limited experience with D&C
I asked for a quote on some products and some advice on which direction to go. Damian got back to me quickly with a quote a some suggestions. Very professional.

Another time I had purchased a D&C cage from a fellow that had bought it from D&C but never put it together. The cage was for a traveler and I have an SII. I asked Damian if it would work, (keep in mind he was aware that I was buying one of his cages but he was making no money on the deal) He was very helpful with his suggestions and very easy to deal with.

Also EVERY CHRISTmas he does 2 give aways on BP and I have never seen another vendor do anything like that. That is giving back to the community that supports you.

I know I will get flamed for supporting him and since I never spent/lost any $$ with him it really is just an opinion.

So flame away

You have shit for posts, go back into the shadows...lurk some more...then come out and post. But until that happens and you buy something from D&C stay the hell out. Now for everyone else, how long as this pissing match been going on? Not just this thread but all the older ones as well. Just let it die already and stay dead this time. But sticky the damn thing on the front page to warn all the new guys who see his page and think its a godsend.

levi1a

05-19-2009, 12:54 PM

TxWngRider

05-19-2009, 01:18 PM

You have shit for posts, go back into the shadows...lurk some more...then come out and post. But until that happens and you buy something from D&C stay the hell out. Now for everyone else, how long as this pissing match been going on? Not just this thread but all the older ones as well. Just let it die already and stay dead this time. But sticky the damn thing on the front page to warn all the new guys who see his page and think its a godsend.

And your great big 66 post makes you an expert. you are a joke

And because of pinheads like you are the reason I don't come over here to the dark side very often.

Arn't you the big man telling me what to do, you probably are driving a AMC pacer and are a 4X4 wannabe

cry your self to sleep tonight, then wake up and be a real man(in your world) and cuss someone else tomorrow from your behind your keyboard
:shaking:What a pussy

Besides if you want it to die already why post......Dumbass

Eagle-Mark

05-19-2009, 01:51 PM

Also EVERY CHRISTmas he does 2 give aways on BP and I have never seen another vendor do anything like that. That is giving back to the community that supports you.

Thanks for reminding me he stole my CHRISTmas charity giveaway too! :mad3:

Harvester of Sorrow

05-19-2009, 02:36 PM

Red leader...

Red leader...

The ship is going down...

okkool77

05-19-2009, 06:47 PM

And your great big 66 post makes you an expert. you are a joke

And because of pinheads like you are the reason I don't come over here to the dark side very often.

Arn't you the big man telling me what to do, you probably are driving a AMC pacer and are a 4X4 wannabe

cry your self to sleep tonight, then wake up and be a real man(in your world) and cuss someone else tomorrow from your behind your keyboard
:shaking:What a pussy

Besides if you want it to die already why post......Dumbass

I am by no means an expert, I still have plenty to learn about things..as we all do in this world. As for driving an AMC Pacer, I'll pass and stick with my Scout for a daily driver. As for personal insults, thats a low blow and shows who really is the man here; but if you'd like to trade them, start a new thread in the General Chit Chat and not in the tech pages wasting everyone's time when they log on and check the top few posts and see nothing but a pissing match going on between a couple of members.

Eagle-Mark

05-23-2009, 02:26 AM

safe to say that my business will not be going back there soon as i have missed a couple wheeling trips and thread insert (http://www.xhcljx.com/eng) helicoil (http://www.xhcljx.com/eng)SPAMMER!!!:mad3:

larboc@hotmail.com

05-23-2009, 06:17 AM

keeptahoewhite

05-25-2009, 12:17 PM

Texas Wang Rider?

:eek::laughing:

TxWngRider

05-26-2009, 07:53 AM

Texas Wang Rider?

Larboc@hotmail
Congrats goes out to you. Finishing the 3rd grade was something most people would not have expected on your first attempt.

Next year in 4th grade maybe you can think up something a bit more clever

What a Moron

Mechanos

05-26-2009, 09:18 AM

Larboc@hotmail
Congrats goes out to you. Finishing the 3rd grade was something most people would not have expected on your first attempt.

Next year in 4th grade maybe you can think up something a bit more clever

What a Moron

Larboc has come be known by many on this board as the "village idiot". I gotta tell ya, though, you're starting to make him look like an fucking genious <insert Forest Gump soundbyte>

crashhawk

05-26-2009, 09:25 AM

So, is it Texas Wang Rider or not?

blackrider

05-26-2009, 09:42 AM

thanks for the morning:laughing::laughing::laughing:guys..
i'm ready to face the day now.....

larboc@hotmail.com

05-26-2009, 12:21 PM

Larboc has come be known by many on this board as the "village idiot". I gotta tell ya, though, you're starting to make him look like an fucking genious <insert Forest Gump soundbyte>
.

Remember, using a or an depends on the sound that begins the next word. So...

* a + singular noun beginning with a consonant: a boy; a car; a bike; a zoo; a dog
* an + singular noun beginning with a vowel: an elephant; an egg; an apple; an idiot; an orphan
* a + singular noun beginning with a consonant sound: a user (sounds like 'yoo-zer,' i.e. begins with a consonant 'y' sound, so 'a' is used); a university; a unicycle
* In some cases where "h" is pronounced, such as "historical," us an:

An historical event is worth recording.

blackrider

05-26-2009, 12:24 PM

"COME BE KNOWN" that sounds Roman or biblical ...:D

keeptahoewhite

05-28-2009, 04:37 PM

So, is it Texas Wang Rider or not?

x2

TxWngRider

05-30-2009, 07:39 AM

x2

Why is it some of you guys are so intrested in my wang

Queers

TxWngRider

05-30-2009, 07:43 AM

Larboc has come be known by many on this board as the "village idiot". I gotta tell ya, though, you're starting to make him look like an fucking genious <insert Forest Gump soundbyte>

After reading many of your post, I have come to the realization that your assesment of other(just your opinion) is irrevelant.
Reason being is that you are a member of the "I ride the short bus" gang, possibly even the driver of the short bus.

Blind Driver

05-30-2009, 07:45 AM

After reading many of your post, I have come to the realization that your assesment of other(just your opinion) is irrevelant.
Reason being is that you are a member of the "I ride the short bus" gang, possibly even the driver of the short bus.

Does that make you the Wang Driver?

By the way, you may want to download Firefox...it has a built in spell checker :homer:

crashhawk

05-30-2009, 01:59 PM

Why is it some of you guys are so intrested in my wang

Queers

Dude you have five posts, all of them in this thread and they've all severely brought teh unfunnay. :shaking:

Eagle-Mark

06-07-2009, 01:31 AM

Where do you think I could get a four link suspension like the one on Extreme 4x4?

JetFxr

06-07-2009, 10:41 AM

IHonlynorth is selling one.

Scouty

06-07-2009, 08:51 PM

This is still at the top...it's starting to stink!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3355/3479443501_c4435ab7b8.jpg?v=0

Eagle-Mark

06-17-2009, 07:58 PM

This is still at the top...it's starting to stink!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3355/3479443501_c4435ab7b8.jpg?v=0Dam it almost made it off the first page... :laughing:

uglyscout

06-17-2009, 08:11 PM

This whole thread is:

http://ihsto.org/old/pics/gayflagwaving.jpg

dboy

06-17-2009, 08:36 PM

This whole thread is:

http://ihsto.org/old/pics/gayflagwaving.jpg

x2

levi1a

06-17-2009, 09:18 PM

x 1,000,000 and 1/2

Blind Driver

06-17-2009, 09:19 PM

/thread :homer:

JetFxr

12-11-2009, 12:05 AM

:shaking::shaking::shaking::shaking::shaking::shak ing: D screws another one, no new news there:mad3: I can't believe someone has'nt shot him yet.

BLK Scout 800

12-11-2009, 12:28 AM

Thanks for reminding me he stole my CHRISTmas charity giveaway too! :mad3:

Looks like he's just in time for Christmas again this year :shaking:

Mechanos

12-11-2009, 06:49 AM

:shaking::shaking::shaking::shaking::shaking::shak ing: D screws another one, no new news there:mad3: I can't believe someone has'nt shot him yet.

But c'mon man... he can't possibly refund the money. I'm sure that fuckhead spent it the day after he got the payment and at least 2 or 3 months before he even picked up the material to start working on the bumper. How in the hell this douche-bag stays in business and has any customers at all is beyond belief.

scout800

12-11-2009, 07:06 AM

Ben Segrest

12-11-2009, 08:54 AM

When we talked (I believe yesterday), you seemed okay, but now you seem bothered. Therefore I will immediately refund your money ~ if the wait was a problem you should have said so. If you wanted your money back, you should have said so, but you didn't and didn't indicate anything other than 'I may have to give you a different address to send it too' and that it was bothersome, but not a problem.

What's Matthew's problem? Getting all bent out of shape just because a product he has already paid for in full has taken over twice as long as quoted to (still not) be completed. Dude needs to chill out, it'll get finished when it get's finished.

Damian sure is trying hard to make himself look like Mr. Johnny-on-the-spot all of a sudden. :shaking:

ChiScouter

12-11-2009, 10:32 AM

The OP's first and biggest mistake was posting the thread in a forum that Damian moderates so the end was predictable. I would have been very interested to see the outcome of the thread if it was in one of the other forums. There is some really rotten shit going on over there with people fucking each other over that is glossed over and ignored. One thread in particular with a girl getting fucked over by another member is disgusting, its ironic that Damian is participating in the thread.

snoop dogg

12-11-2009, 11:56 AM

I love Damian's revisionist history. :shaking:

Isn't he a descendant of Joseph Smith?? He's in the wrong business, seems he's been giving the ol' rub and tug to some moderators. That's the only way I can deduce that he still has any professional relationship with IH vendors and enthusiasts.

I remember probably about 4 years ago, I said I would do a write up on one of his cages...this was when he would do D and C give aways. After we talked through messages about a write up for the cage, somehow I miraculously won an aluminum hawse fairlead from him. I don't think I even entered in the give-a-way.

Never did the write up(logistics, go figure), it was soon after that I think Mechanos had some serious issues with his cage....and did his own write up (i might be wrong with the member name)

Shadow man

12-11-2009, 12:21 PM

scout800

12-11-2009, 01:00 PM

There is definitely some shady shit going on over there. Multiple posts that I know of have been scraped of any 'discourse' displayed there, so anyone searching for reliable vendors will never know about it. I wish Stephanie (The girl mentioned above) would post up over here, she has gotten completely fawked over and believes she has lost all of her investment. She doesn't even have a title in hand. The ass gobbler that is screwin' her deserves a nice PBB reaming.:D

Eagle-Mark

12-11-2009, 01:38 PM

Is Comer back? :eek::laughing::lmao:

RustoleumWhite

12-11-2009, 02:11 PM

I just got banned again from BP for fawking with a 'vendor' who tried to re-sell my stuff to locals (with a markup of course). He is currently taking someone for a restoration that hasn't even started to the order of almost $9000 and was supposed to be delivered months ago. Seems to be an all too common pattern in the IH world.
Pretty sure you got "banned", with warning, for violating the TOS over there. And from what I've heard, it wasn't your first time. If you have questions, or really care, politely take it up with the admin over there, they are pretty reasonable if people can be reasonable back. But what do I know.

I also know [from a little birdy] that the "other vendor" you so delicately put it is on thin ice himself and may just disappear.

but hey, everything I claim to know is hearsay.

scout800

12-11-2009, 04:04 PM

It was my second time and I did it because other people involved with him stand to lose cash or any hope of their 'deals' ever getting corrected or refunded. The admins have been notified by myself and others on the board about the situation and I agree they are reasonable with the rules as they see fit. No skin off my back, I did it to get exposure for Stephanie and later to expose the fact that he claims to be a face-to-face kind of guy then sends PM's to people about inflicting harm on me. If they want to advocate vendors fawking over customers, let them. If they want to let vendors groom their own posts I say go for it.

Eagle-Mark

12-11-2009, 04:55 PM

Who's Stephne? I must have missed that part...

budget76

12-11-2009, 05:00 PM

Who's Stephne? I must have missed that part...

x2, got a link? I'm still a member there, though I don't post too much anymore, now that I've got the BMW and a yota:shaking:

scout800

12-11-2009, 06:17 PM

http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88116

All of the pertinent points about crappy work and non-delivery have been deleted. So for the most part it is a dull read. PM deafdrummer, she is the purchaser.

Snoopy

12-11-2009, 08:04 PM

Damian sure is trying hard to make himself look like Mr. Johnny-on-the-spot all of a sudden. :shaking:

"Mr. Johnny-on-the-spot"? Not exactly. I talked to the guy yesterday, he has my cell. I called him twice today, sent an email, pm, and replied to his post. Plain and simple ~ I failed to deliver the guys bumper. So I refunded his money plus paypal fees. Deal done, money returned. (sorry mech, I know you thought I spent it all) Sorry for not making it more interesting for you ~ guess you'll have to wait till next time:eek:

As for the deleted post, Chi said it right: 'predictable' ~ I actually didn't even read them. Guy wanted his money back, and 12 hours later ~ the money's back. Done.

Again, sorry to disappoint ya'll.

Eagle-Mark

12-11-2009, 09:31 PM

"Mr. Johnny-on-the-spot"? Not exactly. I talked to the guy yesterday, he has my cell. I called him twice today, sent an email, pm, and replied to his post. Plain and simple ~ I failed to deliver the guys bumper. So I refunded his money plus paypal fees. Deal done, money returned. (sorry mech, I know you thought I spent it all) Sorry for not making it more interesting for you ~ guess you'll have to wait till next time:eek:

As for the deleted post, Chi said it right: 'predictable' ~ I actually didn't even read them. Guy wanted his money back, and 12 hours later ~ the money's back. Done.

Again, sorry to disappoint ya'll.You really know how to kill a good drama!! NOW WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO DO ALL WEEK!! Looks like we will sit and nit all week instaed of haveing a good time fucking with you and your poor service and rip off practices. Just fucking nice damian, don't you even care of our feelings!!!! You just fucked up a good week. NICE JOB!!

DJForrestA

12-12-2009, 01:05 AM

I see you deleted my post over there as well. Why they even let you on that sight to advertise I'll never know. Damian you really are a chump of the highest degree. Its a matter of three months not 12 hours you idiot. You should have been honest with him the first time he called.

Snoopy

12-12-2009, 08:29 AM

For lack of anything else, we're down to name calling. Classic.

472 ~ you have a great point ~ about the only one oddly enough. If he had never posted anything, he would have never said 'I want my money back' ~ or whatever he said to that effect. Because he sure the :eek: didn't say it on the phone. So yes, if he hadn't posted it, it wouldn't have happened. Therefore we can assume its OBVIOUSLY directly due to the fact that he posted it on the internet. Captian Obvious ~ great job.

I just think your all pissed off because I did what you didn't want me to do. I mean, you guys were all worked up, ready with the religious and degrading comments and everything.

So now, I'm skewing things. Making them seem better than they are. Making it seem like I'm the good guy. How is that~ Seriously? How sad is it that you guys feed on this? How pitiful is is that you guys are actually upset that I've did what the customer expressed ~ even when he didn't directly express it to me. But oh no... that can't possibly be. No! Damian CANT actualy do things proper ~ he's a cultish, lying, stealing, dueshbag, theif!

Get over yourselves. Seriously.

Ben Segrest

12-12-2009, 10:56 AM

I just think your all pissed off because I did what you didn't want me to do. I mean, you guys were all worked up, ready with the religious and degrading comments and everything.

You're right. What we wanted you to do was build the guy a bumper within the 2 month time frame that you quoted him. What we didn't want you to do was string along another naive customer with lie after lie. You truly did let us down on both counts.

Binder

12-12-2009, 11:02 AM

As for the deleted post, Chi said it right: 'predictable' ~ I actually didn't even read them. Guy wanted his money back, and 12 hours later ~ the money's back. Done.

Again, sorry to disappoint ya'll.

You know I'm not involved in any of this and I've never bought anything from D&C but this just rubs me wrong...It's not as simple as that! Sounds like a nice no interest loan to me.:rolleyes: If I had to wait for 5 months during a build to get parts I would likely be at somones front door to collect!:mad3:

JetFxr

12-12-2009, 11:19 AM

Binder you sir are way smarter and luckier than myself to stay clear of this thief:smokin: On the other hand these threads need to stay current to help new folks steer clear of thiefs and crooks.

Snoopy

12-12-2009, 02:35 PM

ChiScouter

12-12-2009, 03:07 PM

Binder,

You are 100% correct. It rubbed me the wrong way too. I was in contact with him, and as soon as he wanted his money back it was given back. Should I have gotten it done sooner ~ of course. But he didn't have a problem with that and as soon as became a problem, it was resolved. I keep thinking that had I spent one-minute a day on the bumper it would have been done, but that doesn't change the fact it wasn't, so I did the only thing I could do.

D

Im kind of confused, according to the op of that thread you were blaming a broken welder at around the same time frame you were showing pictures of your other builds in order to market yourself. Now it seems you are saying you could have spent a minute a day on it and it would have been done. How many hours have you spent posting on the board instead of building him his bumper? How many posts have you made on the BP in the 6 months since he sent you the money? Ill bet you have spent more time defending yourself today than it would have taken to build the dam thing:shaking: He was promised it 4 months ago, 3 months ago is when he started bugging you about it. It took you 3 months to return his money after he starting asking abouts completion, it looks like your math is off by about 89 days. Why in the hell do you think everyone who sends you money doesn't need the parts and doesn't care when or if he gets them? In case you aren't checking your forum over there the OP started a new thread asking to publish the pm's regarding the matter since you locked the thread and he can't reply or rebute your post when you locked it. If you are Mr. Up and Up and have nothing to hide as you claim why did you lock the thread? If you want to really be Mr up and up you should sticky all the threads bashing you from here on the top of your board so potental future customers can see how much you are Mr. Up and up and then let them decide if they want to do business with you.

Snoopy

12-12-2009, 03:31 PM

Im kind of confused, according to the op of that thread you were blaming a broken welder at around the same time frame you were showing pictures of your other builds in order to market yourself.
Good gravy must I explain everything just to have it throne in my face?!

Again, you are 100% right. I could have done it, but didn't do it. I should have done it, but still didn't do it. I pretend that I have too much on my plate, but in all reality, there is no reason I couldn't build a single freaking bumper in 6 months. NOT ONE REASON ~ save the fact that I simply didn't. I have too much to do, I heep things on, cause i want to make people happy. I build Scouts because its what I like to do. My problem is that I made it a business. I'm actually very good at business and managing others. Myself however, not so much.

ll bet you have spent more time defending yourself today than it would have taken to build the dam thing:shaking:
Almost right, but right all the same.

In case you aren't checking your forum over there the OP started a new thread asking to publish the pm's regarding the matter since you locked the thread and he can't reply or rebute your post when you locked it. If you are Mr. Up and Up and have nothing to hide as you claim why did you lock the thread?
Actually I already did. I don't give a damn thing about future customers. I care about current customers. My future is certain. Its fate was set at the BEGINING of ld's Scout. There is crap happening that you guys don't have the faintest idea is going on.

Regardless. Mr Thomas can reply to his hearts content... the lock was not to block him. It was to block guys that do nothing constructive, but negative. If you had seen the replies, think about what they were. Not a single person asked 'did you cancel your order' ~ it was "SUE SUE SUE!" "Burn that bitch at the stake!" Holy crap man. Look at what's happening here! Everyone's 7'9" and got an ugly stick to share. No constructive thought or replies. No one says: "well ask for your money back" ~ when that is the only thing he had to do.

Are you proud of yourselves? Would your parents be? Turning those questions around, I'd answer "No I'm not, but my parents would be glad I was doing what I could, the best I could" ~

Blind Driver

12-12-2009, 03:34 PM

Good gravy must I explain everything just to have it throne in my face?!

I hope your welding skills are better then your grammar :homer:

Snoopy

12-12-2009, 03:38 PM

:laughing: ~ thanks needed that. Maybe I should go to the bathroom.

Colorado Dave

12-12-2009, 03:48 PM

I don't give a damn thing about future customers. ~ that about sums it up.

Snoopy

12-12-2009, 04:03 PM

that about sums it up.
And don't you ever forget it.

Edit: emphasis added

Colorado Dave

12-12-2009, 04:24 PM

trust me I would never do business with you again. :p
must suck going through life always on the defence of your character. how do you sleep at night? :shaking:

Ben Segrest

12-12-2009, 07:09 PM

I hope your welding skills are better then your grammar :homer:

As do I :flipoff2:

SSGTWC

12-12-2009, 09:43 PM

Good gravy must I explain everything just to have it throne in my face?!

Again, you are 100% right. I could have done it, but didn't do it. I should have done it, but still didn't do it. I pretend that I have too much on my plate, but in all reality, there is no reason I couldn't build a single freaking bumper in 6 months. NOT ONE REASON ~ save the fact that I simply didn't. I have too much to do, I heep things on, cause i want to make people happy. I build Scouts because its what I like to do. My problem is that I made it a business. I'm actually very good at business and managing others. Myself however, not so much.

Almost right, but right all the same.

Actually I already did. I don't give a damn thing about future customers. I care about current customers. My future is certain. Its fate was set at the BEGINING of ld's Scout. There is crap happening that you guys don't have the faintest idea is going on.

Regardless. Mr Thomas can reply to his hearts content... the lock was not to block him. It was to block guys that do nothing constructive, but negative. If you had seen the replies, think about what they were. Not a single person asked 'did you cancel your order' ~ it was "SUE SUE SUE!" "Burn that bitch at the stake!" Holy crap man. Look at what's happening here! Everyone's 7'9" and got an ugly stick to share. No constructive thought or replies. No one says: "well ask for your money back" ~ when that is the only thing he had to do.

Are you proud of yourselves? Would your parents be? Turning those questions around, I'd answer "No I'm not, but my parents would be glad I was doing what I could, the best I could" ~

Just go ahead and make all the excuses you want. Try and make all the "the world is out to get me, so please feel sorry for me" posts. It's not going to change the fact that you have fucked over people out of their money. Accept it! Just simply close up (so called) shop, and give up the ghost. You're not contributing to the Light Line vendors anyhow.

dboy

12-12-2009, 09:48 PM

these threads need to stay current to help new folks steer clear of thiefs and crooks.

I disagree with this, if anyone searches "d&c" 20 threads will show up about how he does business (or doesn't) I don't really see the need to start more threads and keep bringing this crap up over and over again.

Everyones bitter because they got screwed by damian, fine, just leave it at that and stop bringing it up. nobody is getting the products they paid for or won in a raffle and most of you wouldn't even take them even if damian brought them to your door step personally. Obviously he has the thickest skin EVER so none of these threads are hurting his ability to sleep at night. So the way to "do something about D&C" is to not order from him and tell people who ask about our experiences.

We constantly tell noobs to "search" when they ask questions that have been answered a million times before, so, if anyone asks about damian or d&c we'll just tell them to search. If people are to stupid to research the company's they intend to do business with then it their own fault when they get screwed. I don't feel that certain forums should "endorse" vendors who do these things, but really thats up to the forums administration and if you pirate guys are going to whine about the administrations choices on the binder planet, well, maybe were not as E-tough as we seem.

Am I condoning Damians business practices or encouraging anyone to buy form him, No. But i really think that this Chit-chat is really getting old.