im lookin to put coils in the rear of my xj
would i be better of buying the claytons offroad setup or building something myself using a zj axle and rear lift???
it gonna be a trail jeep not much rock crawling and its my DD:shaking:
done some searching but didnt get me far
any pics of rear coiled xjs would be great

ok for starters try rephrasing your search key words. i typed in rear coils and i got like 3-4 diffrent things
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=641296&highlight=rear+coils
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139642&highlight=rear+coils
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=630589


ok i am guessing you have not read the mission statement at the top of the board. i mean come on please save you and mostly us some time with your posts that you spent 30 seconds searching. as you can tell i barely post on here. but i have been reading everything i can get my eyes on everyday.

i am not trying to flame you or anything but i get pissed off then i, one who never asks questions has to read your stupid ass pic request. hell if you where really serious about this mod you would like specs and all kinds of other stuff.

it gonna be a trail jeep not much rock crawling and its my DD:shaking:

Then don't waste your time.

:lmao::lmao::lmao:Then don't waste your time.

Based off how you asked the question, Id say your trying to bite off more than your can chew. If your not playing in rocks or high of camber situatuions, then you dont need coils in the rear. Leafs are fine, and can be played with to come up with very suitable setups. Fish threw the BAD ASS XJ pic thread and you'll find some guys with pretty damn nice flex running leafs out back, and some even up front. Im not trying to bash but honestly I think building your own 4-link is outta your leauge.

You need a very good understanding of how link set ups work. Theres a ton of diffrent things that will effect how the suspension cycles, including link length, the distance the links are from the ground (both ends), distance between arms at frame and axle end (again at both ends of the links), and were you place the axle end link in coodination of the axle centerline. If im thinking correct there are 12 diffrent link measuments needed, and also vehicle specifications such as wheelbase length and Vehicle Center of Gravity as well as tire size, that all come into play. If you dont get the links set up correctly with your vehicle specs or even close , youll end up with a terrible suspension that could potentially be very dangerous on and off road.

But if your dead set on have'n some coils out back then definatly look into kits like you said Clayton and also check out RockKrawler.com. Those are the only 2 I know of.

ok for starters try rephrasing your search key words. i typed in rear coils and i got like 3-4 diffrent things
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=641296&highlight=rear+coils
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139642&highlight=rear+coils
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=630589


ok i am guessing you have not read the mission statement at the top of the board. i mean come on please save you and mostly us some time with your posts that you spent 30 seconds searching. as you can tell i barely post on here. but i have been reading everything i can get my eyes on everyday.

i am not trying to flame you or anything but i get pissed off then i, one who never asks questions has to read your stupid ass pic request. hell if you where really serious about this mod you would like specs and all kinds of other stuff.

yea it was a dum request but im not havin much luck with searching

yes specs would be nice but i know how to setup a 4 link and what springs to use im just wanting to see a picture of some coil spring pockets some1 has fabbed up on the unibody

[QUOTE=GreatWhiteXJ;8923297]Based off how you asked the question, Id say your trying to bite off more than your can chew. If your not playing in rocks or high of camber situatuions, then you dont need coils in the rear. Leafs are fine, and can be played with to come up with very suitable setups. Fish threw the BAD ASS XJ pic thread and you'll find some guys with pretty damn nice flex running leafs out back, and some even up front. Im not trying to bash but honestly I think building your own 4-link is outta your leauge.

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thanks for the advice but seriously building my own 4 link isnt out of my league i am on a genuis level at arithmetic and i have a degree in automotive collision/refinishing im an icar certifide welder and i have a great understanding of 4 link suspensions considering my friend is a fabricator for a minitrucking shop that has done some badass work i have picked up a couple things from him
am i saying im a badass no
am i saying im gonna get it right the first time no
but just like the guys who told me 39.5 wouldnt fit on my avalanche with 7inches of lift im gonna prove you all wrong its just what i do :D
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/jkwalkercchs/m_49030480a05c2a45788596193fed90d2.jpg
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i am wanting coils in the back so i can shorten the rearend to get a better approach and which is really hard to do with a leaf spring in the way
and im also trying to figure out a way to shorten the front of hoping i can get a 37 to touch the wall before myfront end does
any ideals on radiotor relocation

and i live in a small town 8miles from one end to the other so a dd doesnt have to be practical or street legal just have tags mirrors and turn signals

if your such a fucking genuis why do need anyones help here?:shaking:
also genius,why the hell do you need a better approach angle on a light trail/dd rig?
oh yeah congratulations on fitting 39.5 tires with 7 inches of lift,whoopdy frickin do.
do it with 4 inches and ill be impressed

if your such a fucking genuis why do need anyones help here?:shaking:
also genius,why the hell do you need a better approach angle on a light trail/dd rig?

im not sayin im a genus i just said i have a genuis level in arithmetic

ok and scratch that dd shit ok i just found me a dd for cheap just gotta put a head gasket on it
so its a heavy trail use some street driving and why not take it on the rocks now that i have somethin else to drive

fuckin thing sucks

your a genius and you have a degree in auto repair... and ideals on radiotor relocation WTF?

Grammar Much?

im not sayin im a genus i just said i have a genuis level in arithmetic

ok and scratch that dd shit ok i just found me a dd for cheap just gotta put a head gasket on it
so its a heavy trail use some street driving and why not take it on the rocks now that i have somethin else to drive

how convenient for you:shaking:

i am on a genuis level at arithmetic and i have a degree in automotive collision/refinishing

So you're a mathematician with a degree in body work?

talk about applying your skills and abilities...

We all can see what he isnt a genius in, and that is spelling....

If you want serious answers, post up a pic of your 4-link calculator results and then ask about mounting...

well its a forum not a book so my grammar and spelling isnt number 1 priority

and whats wrong with auto body i love cars im a car guy i have been a mechanic to and i love it i hate it i also have done car audio which was awesome
would u wrether have a job u love to go to or one u hate everyday??

but i have seen people put them in the rear of buggys just wandering if anyone had any other trick ideals

I recommend using the FOIL method to figure out your 4-link suspension geometry.

well its a forum not a book so my grammar and spelling isnt number 1 priority

and whats wrong with auto body i love cars im a car guy i have been a mechanic to and i love it i hate it i also have done car audio which was awesome
would u wrether have a job u love to go to or one u hate everyday??

but i have seen people put them in the rear of buggys just wandering if anyone had any other trick ideals
WTF???
I can see English wasn't high up on the totem pole either....

well im sorry let me put my pinky up:flipoff2: while im drinking my tea and eating crumpets:flipoff2:

i'd stop talking well you can. You're going to get railed on this site asking quetions like that and still be talking!:smokin:

thanks for the advice but seriously building my own 4 link isnt out of my league i am on a genuis level at arithmetic and i have a degree in automotive collision/refinishing im an icar certifide welder and i have a great understanding of 4 link suspensions

Then whats the point of this post? You asked origianlly if you should put in a ZJ rear axle and its link set-up. That in it self shows that your your not near the vehicle guru that you claim. If your such a genious in the mathematics area than this post is a waste of everyones time and you should be able to figure out a suitable 4-link on your own. 5, 4, 3 link setups use all the same mathimatical setups and measumesnts....... if you can read a tape and then tranfer to hard material with those measurments and figure out there movements during cycle, then you should be well ahead of making a post like this.
Sorry but I dont believe a word coming from your mouth.

Then whats the point of this post? You asked origianlly if you should put in a ZJ rear axle and its link set-up. That in it self shows that your your not near the vehicle guru that you claim. If your such a genious in the mathematics area than this post is a waste of everyones time and you should be able to figure out a suitable 4-link on your own. 5, 4, 3 link setups use all the same mathimatical setups and measumesnts....... if you can read a tape and then tranfer to hard material with those measurments and figure out there movements during cycle, then you should be well ahead of making a post like this.
Sorry but I dont believe a word coming from your mouth.

im just wanting to see a pic of some f-n spring pockets fabbed up on the rear of an xj is that so much to ask

well i can scan my certifications and post them if u would like not trying to be an ass but seriously

Dude seriously give it up. You either aren't the "genius level" that you claim, haven't done any research into the topic, or haven't been around here enough to know that the guys on here will seriously flame you for asking dumbass questions then trying to talk shit back to them. If you want pics then that's what cardomain and google images is for. If you want serious tech help then that's what this place is for.

okay i was going to leave this guy alone. but who could pass up the chance to laugh at the mall crawler he put pics up of. and wow you got it stuck in the mud good for you i can do that down the street from my house. i want to see it flexed out and not rub.:flipoff2:

actually the avalanche could flex to the bumpstops and not rub and that was a pretty good size hole considering the tire that u cant see cause its buried isnt even touching the bottom i guess those florida boys and there tractor tires rutted it out good

wow 40" of standing water/ mud my old 4runner with 30" could do that and did. where are the pics of it flexed out. Chevy ride on the bumpstops anyways so you aren't telling me anything i don't know allready. As for the springs on a xj just look at all the buggies be original do it yourself don't copy a bunch of people.

wow 40" of standing water/ mud my old 4runner with 30" could do that and did. where are the pics of it flexed out. Chevy ride on the bumpstops anyways so you aren't telling me anything i don't know allready. As for the springs on a xj just look at all the buggies be original do it yourself don't copy a bunch of people.

have u ever been in florida mud???
especially with open diffs

have u ever been in florida mud???
especially with open diffs

Dont change the subject. Your not scoring any points with your truck and bragging about its mudding abiities. In the pavement shot you can clearly see a set of bald Swamper STS's. Your not fooling anyone. Argue that elsewere.

Get back to your coil questions. If you look hard enough, you will find what your looking for. But FYI...Im guessing your not running big tires like 37's or bigger....so looking at the guys on here wont get you far. Most of us put the mount under the frame rail (all of us with reiforced rails)and use stock springs off xj's or other vehicles depending on builders choice. We usally end up with around say 7-9" inches of lift in varities of spring rates.

In your situation, the "trail rig" will roll what tire size? Im guessin 36 absolute MAX. So mounting under the frame rail will net you way more lift than you need. The Clayton mount notches out a section of the frame allowing the coil to tuck per see. This will be much more realistic in your situation.
It seems your looking more for something to copy so if your headed that way, Clayton is the way to go. Then figure out what size spring and rate you need and your 1/2 way there. Then use dem fancy math skills of yours and whip up a 4-link. But I still think your outta your league or this thread woulda A.) never been posted or B.) woulda ended long ago. Good luck, but please man do some searching.

Dont change the subject. Your not scoring any points with your truck and bragging about its mudding abiities. In the pavement shot you can clearly see a set of bald Swamper STS's. Your not fooling anyone. Argue that elsewere.

Get back to your coil questions. If you look hard enough, you will find what your looking for. But FYI...Im guessing your not running big tires like 37's or bigger....so looking at the guys on here wont get you far. Most of us put the mount under the frame rail (all of us with reiforced rails)and use stock springs off xj's or other vehicles depending on builders choice. We usally end up with around say 7-9" inches of lift in varities of spring rates.

In your situation, the "trail rig" will roll what tire size? Im guessin 36 absolute MAX. So mounting under the frame rail will net you way more lift than you need. The Clayton mount notches out a section of the frame allowing the coil to tuck per see. This will be much more realistic in your situation.
It seems your looking more for something to copy so if your headed that way, Clayton is the way to go. Then figure out what size spring and rate you need and your 1/2 way there. Then use dem fancy math skills of yours and whip up a 4-link. But I still think your outta your league or this thread woulda A.) never been posted or B.) woulda ended long ago. Good luck, but please man do some searching.

thanks for the info i think 7-9 inches is plenty not sure on which size tire im using yet thats what i was thinkin under the frame rail but i saw some that were notched up in the rails didnt know which was best

another question is longer 4 link bars always better or a happy medium work the best??


and yes those tires are bald:Dgood eye:D i had a set of 37x13.50r20 kumho directional mud terrains but now they are in the garage with 100 miles on them i thought about putting them on the jeep but 20inch rims on a trail rig just seems:shaking: i know i saw a set of 20inch real beadlocks in one of the magazines a year ago just dont recall who made them

Food for thought, I personally sit around 8.5" and will run 42's and have plenty of tire clearance but Im telling you its freakin huge. That much lift strecthed with 35's would look ridiculous. Of course theres a lot of cutting but the coil rear allows you to choose your wheelbase. Obviously youd move it back and cut allowing for more tire clearance. With 6" total net with a stretched link rear your could easily rip up those 37's.

As for the links. This is what I was talking about "out of your leauge" earlier. Im not saying you cant figure it out but a vauge question like that tells me you shouldnt try. Like vette said you dont need links. Your question "another question is longer 4 link bars always better or a happy medium work the best??" is far to vauge to answer. I cant tell you what will work best for you cause I know nothing about your vehicle. I need to know all the things i stated in an earlier post to even begin. But those are again things YOU need to figure out.
Before I go any further...do you know what a 4-link calculator is? Cause if you dont and cant read and undesrtand it....STOP NOW and look into making leafs more suitable for you. Ya know you can flip leafs and modify them to gain around 4" or so wheelbase?
With a hanger relocation and good shackle angle you can get great results with leafs.

As for your 20" blingn wheels you need, SEARCH MAN! Check this out.....2 seconds of my time and I found a set right at the top of the page!..... http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4SUNA_en___US294&q=20%22+beadlocks

Heres my secret.....I went to google.com and searched " 20" Beadlocks ". You try now.

Malarky. You need at least 10" of lift to clear 39's on an avalanche. Those are 36's on 20's.

Malarky. You need at least 10" of lift to clear 39's on an avalanche. Those are 36's on 20's.

no dude they are 39.5s i swear to ya i done a lot of cutting and grinding

i found them im an idiot i know nothing about beadlocks the one i were lookin for had rock crushers on them thanks for the link

thanks for the help though

i havent slept in about 3 days insomnia is a bitch i keep having to edit my posts lol i need some sleep

Honestly man just stick with leafs. Leaf springs will get you any where you plan on going and then some, a 4-link will be way overkill for your needs. I have two XJ's...one with leafs, and one with a 4-link and coil overs. All in all the leaf springs feel a lot more stable on the trail, where as the 4 link feels a little shitty on some off camber spots. If you get some soft leafs, and have a good shackle angle, it will work great and save you a shit ton of work trying to perfect a 4-link.

Granted I can flex the shit out of the 4-link, but who cares, it's not about a flex contest. I've contemplated a few times taking the 4-link off and going back to leaves.

I know you were saying you wanted to cut the ass end....why? I have yet to ever get hung up on the rear of mine, plus cutting the rear is going to open up a whole new bucket of worms for you.

Just do everyone a favor and start out with the leafs and see how it does. I guarantee you, you wont need a 4-link.

These guys may seem like dicks, and some of them are:flipoff2:, but they are seriously trying to help you, and save you money, time, and headache.

okay, well i'd like to see some pics of rear coil set ups... would give me an idea cuz i'm goin to 4 link and coil my rear end this weekend.

Honestly man just stick with leafs. Leaf springs will get you any where you plan on going and then some, a 4-link will be way overkill for your needs. I have two XJ's...one with leafs, and one with a 4-link and coil overs. All in all the leaf springs feel a lot more stable on the trail, where as the 4 link feels a little shitty on some off camber spots. If you get some soft leafs, and have a good shackle angle, it will work great and save you a shit ton of work trying to perfect a 4-link.

Granted I can flex the shit out of the 4-link, but who cares, it's not about a flex contest. I've contemplated a few times taking the 4-link off and going back to leaves.

I know you were saying you wanted to cut the ass end....why? I have yet to ever get hung up on the rear of mine, plus cutting the rear is going to open up a whole new bucket of worms for you.

Just do everyone a favor and start out with the leafs and see how it does. I guarantee you, you wont need a 4-link.

These guys may seem like dicks, and some of them are:flipoff2:, but they are seriously trying to help you, and save you money, time, and headache.

thanks for the info maybe i will just stick with some leafs no i get to go figure out what the hell kinda leaf im putting up front

[QUOTE=GreatWhiteXJ;8923297]Based off how you asked the question, Id say your trying to bite off more than your can chew. If your not playing in rocks or high of camber situatuions, then you dont need coils in the rear. Leafs are fine, and can be played with to come up with very suitable setups. Fish threw the BAD ASS XJ pic thread and you'll find some guys with pretty damn nice flex running leafs out back, and some even up front. Im not trying to bash but honestly I think building your own 4-link is outta your leauge.

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thanks for the advice but seriously building my own 4 link isnt out of my league i am on a genuis level at arithmetic and i have a degree in automotive collision/refinishing im an icar certifide welder and i have a great understanding of 4 link suspensions considering my friend is a fabricator for a minitrucking shop that has done some badass work i have picked up a couple things from him
am i saying im a badass no
am i saying im gonna get it right the first time no
but just like the guys who told me 39.5 wouldnt fit on my avalanche with 7inches of lift im gonna prove you all wrong its just what i do :D


Im a newb, but im in my senior year of my Aerospace Engineering degree, "Genius level at arithmetic", I have no idea what that means. come on, seriously, what does it mean?

thanks for the info maybe i will just stick with some leafs no i get to go figure out what the hell kinda leaf im putting up front

Leave your suspension alone man. You stated that you have a trail rig, and revolving around that you dont need to go to all the trouble your seeming to want to. Just slap on a lift and call it good.

Leafs in the front is a whole nother can of worms, and you prolly wont be satified anyways. Leave the coils up front, the leafs out back get some rubber and go trail ride already.
And before you post about a leaf swap.....SEARCH!

hell im think im gonna go with some spacers and wj coils the some blocks
hell ill still give the k5s around here a run for there money

thanks for the info maybe i will just stick with some leafs no i get to go figure out what the hell kinda leaf im putting up front

for your own safety.please just buy some bolt on stuff.

i mite get flamed for this. it worked great, i wish i still had is and fuck leaf springs. ill never wheel a 4x4 with leafs
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the rear end i use was a toyota 8in with 4:10s and welded with solid axle yota front rotors and mustang 2 front calipers. i used the front stock springs in the rear under the "frame rails" and 15in travel procomp shocks



i hate leafs!!!
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i mite get flamed for this. it worked great, i wish i still had it and fuck leaf springs!!. ill never wheel a 4x4 with leafs and those tires are interco Q78s

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the rear end i use was a toyota 8in with 4:10s and welded with solid axle yota front rotors and mustang 2 front calipers. i used the front stock springs in the rear under the "frame rails" and 15in travel procomp shocks


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i hate leafs!!! those r 35x10in boggers
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i DD both jeeps for a long time till the police got me!!!! nothing like wasting a set of $1500 tires trying to turn in a parking lot!



and im building this now!!!
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how much u say u got in that 4 link setup??

A good setup with good joints will cost you about 800 or so. Joints can go from 15-60 bucks. Material is redicurous these days so expect to spend 400+ on raw materails depending on your local yard. Raw material being the tube for links them all the brackets you'll need. Buying brackets will shoot the build up prolly a lot. Ive got about 750 into mine, using 4 Johnny Joints, 2 Poly Ends and 2 Heims. Upper links are 1.5" .250 wall....lowers are 2" 1/4 sleeved inside HEAVILY and outside. I built all my brackets, truss, diff cover and everthing else back there. Look at a picture of a 4 link layed out....like the RockKrawler one. Then break it down piece by piece and youll get a ruff uderstanding of how much shit is involved with a 4 link.

its a wishbone 3 link, and I would say about $500 into the rear, that joints, links, and steel for the crossmember and axle truss/link tabs. I got a good deal on the joints cuz I bought so many.

well bud im not going to flame u but i too think that building a true 4 link may be slightly out of your leauge but you may look at doing a radius arm setup w/ a track bar/panhard. there is no real geometry in it and they use less joints if your worried about price. and yes i would run the stock springs under the rail i have them with 1 3/4 spacers and it is level with 7.5's up front and its on 41 iroks. the radius arms work well and might just suit your fab skills a little better. :D

man, its obvious what you need to do, start off with something simple, say a rubicon express 3.5 inch kit,
some 31's and wheel it for while, you'll get some experience working on your xj, learn the ins and outs. gain some experience, and get a better realization for what you eventually want to do with the jeep.

also, please, don't swap in a zj rear axle its totally pointless, as a guy over on naxja said,
"its like going out of your way to step in dog crap" :D

okay so for some actual tech questions here----

What is a good coil to run in the rear of a cherokee??
TJ front coils? TJ rear coils? XJ front coils?

From what Ive gathered its best to try and maintain similar spring rates. Now doing that and matching ride height can get diffucult. I, and many others have choosen to run stock XJ springs outback. Mounted at the bottom of the frame rail they match my Rusty's 8.5 fronts very well.

However I know that the spring rates have about a 50lbs rating diffrence or so and the back is WAY WAY softer than the front. Alot of peopele solve this with an Currie anti-rock sway bar. Vette would prolly be the best to give info on that.

As for other springs, I know a few running Ford Ranger Springs, a few with ZJ's (but there really soft) and a few that have cut coils from larger springs (lifted xj coils) but I cant tell you exactly how these setups will work.

[QUOTE=GreatWhiteXJ;8923297]Based off how you asked the question, Id say your trying to bite off more than your can chew. If your not playing in rocks or high of camber situatuions, then you dont need coils in the rear. Leafs are fine, and can be played with to come up with very suitable setups. Fish threw the BAD ASS XJ pic thread and you'll find some guys with pretty damn nice flex running leafs out back, and some even up front. Im not trying to bash but honestly I think building your own 4-link is outta your leauge.

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thanks for the advice but seriously building my own 4 link isnt out of my league i am on a genuis level at arithmetic and i have a degree in automotive collision/refinishing im an icar certifide welder and i have a great understanding of 4 link suspensions considering my friend is a fabricator for a minitrucking shop that has done some badass work i have picked up a couple things from him
am i saying im a badass no
am i saying im gonna get it right the first time no
but just like the guys who told me 39.5 wouldnt fit on my avalanche with 7inches of lift im gonna prove you all wrong its just what i do :D
http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii279/jkwalkercchs/m_49030480a05c2a45788596193fed90d2.jpg
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i am wanting coils in the back so i can shorten the rearend to get a better approach and which is really hard to do with a leaf spring in the way
and im also trying to figure out a way to shorten the front of hoping i can get a 37 to touch the wall before myfront end does
any ideals on radiotor relocation

and i live in a small town 8miles from one end to the other so a dd doesnt have to be practical or street legal just have tags mirrors and turn signals

As stated before, your completely out of your league. And for being a genius in mathematics, or at least proclaiming yourself a genius at anything you may want to learn how to spell the word first. Its not genuis, god its painful to write it that way, its GENIUS. As for the rear coil setup, you are not planning on actually wheeling the thing on anything substantial looking at those sweet pictures you posted up. Personally, I am not sure whats worse. Getting stuck in a puddle or taking your pictures in the mall parking lot. Now for such a cocky ass you would figure you actually have something to brag about. And then posting up that 7-9" of lift is ideal your obviously a complete moron. Your post just sickens me, the point is to fit the biggest tire with the lowest center of gravity possible. So, with that said sell the XJ and go back to parking your sweet ride in those mall parking lots. Yes, im a dick and your a moron...the world is a lovely place :flipoff2:

RockZJ

okay so i am running 8" skyjacker xj coils in the front and am wanting to know what coil spring i should run in the rear. Should i go with stock xj coils, 5.5" RE TJ coils,...???

Like I said...several of us run stockers out back. To compare diffrences in front spring choice....Vette for example runs RE 7.5's I believe, stockers in the back (that I think are slightly cut) and an Anti-Rock Sway Bar, and as far as I know he's very satisfied with the setup. I choose to go with Rusty's Springs and I acctually just got a shaft in and did a little test flexing this past weekand. No wheeling trips yet but the balance between front and rear seems pretty good. I definatly will invest in a rear sway bar myself but Im pretty sure I too will be satisfied with my setup.

Im sure there would be little diffrence with the SkyJacker Spring. I cant find the spring rate for that paticular spring but this link should help you alot in figuring out your options. http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=595075&highlight=xj+coil+spring+rates

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As stated before, your completely out of your league. And for being a genius in mathematics, or at least proclaiming yourself a genius at anything you may want to learn how to spell the word first. Its not genuis, god its painful to write it that way, its GENIUS. As for the rear coil setup, you are not planning on actually wheeling the thing on anything substantial looking at those sweet pictures you posted up. Personally, I am not sure whats worse. Getting stuck in a puddle or taking your pictures in the mall parking lot. Now for such a cocky ass you would figure you actually have something to brag about. And then posting up that 7-9" of lift is ideal your obviously a complete moron. Your post just sickens me, the point is to fit the biggest tire with the lowest center of gravity possible. So, with that said sell the XJ and go back to parking your sweet ride in those mall parking lots. Yes, im a dick and your a moron...the world is a lovely place :flipoff2:




RockZJ

X eleventeen fawking billion:flipoff2: Thank you. I was starting to get sick of people(that are normally fine examples of asshole-ness)helping this chucklehead out...........................GENIUS.......wtf.... .

Like I said...several of us run stockers out back. To compare diffrences in front spring choice....Vette for example runs RE 7.5's I believe, stockers in the back (that I think are slightly cut) and an Anti-Rock Sway Bar, and as far as I know he's very satisfied with the setup.

WTF?

Don't EVER insinuate that I would run a Rubicon Express product on my rig. I hate their shit.

I have Rusty's 4.5" coils up front with a 1.5" coil spacer.

Rears are currently unmodified stock XJ fronts, with the Anti-Rock set on the 3rd hole, and Timbren progressive helper springs/bumpstops inside the coils. It "works", the Timbrens and the Anti-Rock do most of the work, and in fact the Timbrens are the only reason why I haven't messed with it. If I had rigid/poly bumpstops I'd be on them all the f'ing time.

The stock XJ fronts are way too soft IMO, but using them that way (under the frame rails) really limits your options. That's why I've got all that extra crap added on it. I had stock ZJ rear springs in there for a while and liked that spring rate decently enough, but they were about 1-2" shorter.

well i was thinking of running the coils outside of the rear frame not under it, i was thinking the further apart the springs are the more stable it would be?? If stock xj coils are too soft then what is another option? some ZJ fronts?

I'd be surprised if you can get them out much further than the frame rails...here's how mine looks at full stuff:

http://pages.prodigy.net/dmacock/links/DSC01768.JPG

Stock 4.0 ZJ fronts are the same springs, V8 springs are stiffer. I had a set but the free length was much too long for me to use.

WTF?

Don't EVER insinuate that I would run a Rubicon Express product on my rig. I hate their shit.

I have Rusty's 4.5" coils up front with a 1.5" coil spacer.



My appolgies...thats why I said "I beleive", leaving the door open for correction.

With the posting of what you do run, can you evaluate on spring rate change with spacers? Or does it change at all?

Nope, doesn't change anything.

I've had them in there since 2003ish.

My appolgies...thats why I said "I beleive", leaving the door open for correction.

With the posting of what you do run, can you evaluate on spring rate change with spacers? Or does it change at all?

spring rate changing with spacers? spring rate is a property of the spring not how it's mounted...

i've seen astro van coils under the rear of an xj

aren't those some sort of a progressive rate spring?

I wish i could source some v8 ZJ front springs.... I think i will be able to put them outside the frame rails. I got room back there. And the longer the spring the better for me! I will work on it some this weekend and post a pic or two.