http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72934

how the fawk do you smash all this shit in here and get the c clip in there???

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/BBSups//DSCF0015.JPG

the first washer the poly halves and the ball are in, the other washer and c clip have to be installed and the poly is sticking out just past the recess for it....

geiger, i already tried the BF hammer, so that isnt gonna work :flipoff2:

neither does any sort of c clamp, vice grips...the poly continues to bulge out farther than the recess the wahser and c clip still must get past...

come awn, whats the secret???:flipoff2:

your hands sure are clean, did you try pounding the snap ring in with a peice of pipe with an outside diameter and the inside diameter of that tub, one more thing 150 miles aint that far:flipoff2:

Ben

It's a little hard to get them together. First take it apart and grease everything up real good. Then use a large vice, or a couple of large C clamps to get it together. Squeeze the front washer in far enough to get the clip ring in.

To get the C clamp or vise in there, you will need some tubing or small pieces of steel to allow the clamp to push on the outer washer.

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/BBSups//DSCF0016.JPG

no worky:mad:theres more grease in there than a bucket of crisco...

http://www.rubiconexpress.com/images/RE3791.jpg

$50

http://www.allprooffroad.com/pics/3515.jpg

$38, hmmmm.

who sells the other 1 booger? u can post pics tonight BB isnt so slow?

no worky:mad:theres more grease in there than a bucket of crisco... [/B][/QUOTE]

I understand what Chris said about plenty of grease but to much is a bad thing.Apply a thin coat on all the peices then try.Alot of grease will use up the tollarences inside,and there's probly not much tollarence inside that type of bushing to begin with.Then after it's together use the zerk's to fill with grease.That's just a thought,and probly the way I would put them together. Hope it helps.:D

Originally posted by Booger Weldz

$38, hmmmm. [/B]


That's alot of difference just for a set of crome balls.:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I have a bunch like your, but haven't got them installed yet. I did mess around with one though and it was a PITA. I gave up trying to and figured I'd worry about it when the time came.

One thing I did notice is that the poly bushings have a lip and grove on them that are to seat together. Did you install the peices seperate? If not I would install the washer, and then the ball and two poly peices together, and install. Also try flipping the direction of the poly peices, maybe getting caught on the lip.

To set up the press I would have two peices of tube. Use one pressing on each washer and press together. Make sure to have the snap ring over the tube so you can install while sqeezed.

HTH

Originally posted by Booger Weldz
http://www.allprooffroad.com/pics/3515.jpg

$38, hmmmm.

Thoes are only $38.00? Where did you get them, and how do they work?? I under stand what they are for, but are their any really good adv. to running them??

the shiny ones are from rubicon express, the all pro units dont come with zerks and you couldnt possibly assemble them and then weld them. liquid poly doesnt make a functional 'johnny joint'. i cant imagine trying to assemble theses had i gone threw the frame instead of outboard to the rear

the threaded fastnener style on the end of the other(rubicon express model) would make the install a snap, instead ive got a snap ring piece of crap. neither side will go together, the vise is cracked, tomorrow the plasma torch comes out and ill see if rubicon express is open on saturdays.

i guess this can be considered a product reveiw, i can assure you that if i cannot assemble these, 90% of those on this board could not, my rig is built, not totally fabbed, but not bought. on a scale of 1-5 for product reveiw, these get a fuckin negative 69...:mad: :mad:

i need a beer............

Originally posted by 98Taco


Thoes are only $38.00? Where did you get them, and how do they work?? I under stand what they are for, but are their any really good adv. to running them??

yes those are $38, buck up for the $50 ones at RE or just wipe your ass with the $38 and flush it.:flipoff2:

that hydro sells with a heim joint in it now, if you dont have the angles dialed when you mount it(the non heim version) your kinda screw ball and the springs have to absorb the tension and actually flex with the tierod movement through steering...coem check it out

not that i've put one together.....but frome the pics i would use a socket on both sides with the vise.the way you are doing it is only allowing the squish to occur on one side. do i make sense? you need to let the joint be forced over further and not held by your peice of tube. oh and............




















take a welding class:eek: .

when I first tried these I decided they suck, now I can assemble em quick and easy, and would not trade them for the screw in type, though the screw in type can be adjusted to take up slack I don't see the benefit so far, read my other post in general and I think you should be able to assemble em pretty quick and easy, especially if you have air tools

Originally posted by larryboy
not that i've put one together.....but frome the pics i would use a socket on both sides with the vise.the way you are doing it is only allowing the squish to occur on one side. do i make sense? you need to let the joint be forced over further and not held by your peice of tube. oh and............




















take a welding class.

theres a piece of the same rectangle tubing on the other side(below) the ball assembly so the force of the vise is evenly distibuted. regarding the welding comment, please note the screen name:flipoff2: wanna buy some johnny joints??

just lose the tubing portion of your set up and use a socket or something to allow the joint more room to move to the left. i understand the screen name just havin fun with you:D

Originally posted by larryboy
just lose the tubing portion of your set up and use a socket or something to allow the joint more room to move to the left. i understand the screen name just havin fun with you

the left side assembly presses against the actual 'body" of the johnny joint, thus everything is firmly pushed in that direction becasue the snap ring must go into the right side and everything must get stuffed in that direction. does that make sense? you can understand, youre obtuse:p :p

noooo,i'm saying you don't want the joint pressed firmly against anything on the left.you need to allow for more deflection of the left side bushing.maybe i'm just talkin out the back of my head here but thats how it looks from here.:confused:

its not rocket science, the torch is already lit, the things suck and RE has a better setup for $12 /each more.

on a side note, i work in lodi and every now and then see a red extra cab(90's) with a stubby bobbed bed, anyone you know? elk grove is right up the road?

sounds like you are to the heck with it stage.hack it off:D . i work in rancho cordova and don't spend much time here in elk grove. i think i've seen that yota,don't know him though.

Originally posted by Booger Weldz


yes those are $38, buck up for the $50 ones at RE or just wipe your ass with the $38 and flush it.:flipoff2:

that hydro sells with a heim joint in it now, if you dont have the angles dialed when you mount it(the non heim version) your kinda screw ball and the springs have to absorb the tension and actually flex with the tierod movement through steering...coem check it out

So your saying just spend the extra money and get the ones for $50??

Originally posted by 98Taco


So your saying just spend the extra money and get the ones for $50??

or get super frustrated, drink a bunch of beer, break your vice and back, then get on the computer and cry about it all night like i did:flipoff2: :D yeah, get the $50 ones, well worth another $12....

Originally posted by Booger Weldz


or get super frustrated, drink a bunch of beer, break your vice and back, then get on the computer and cry about it all night like i did:flipoff2: :D yeah, get the $50 ones, well worth another $12....

So where do I get the ones that are $50??? can you show me a pic. of yours installed??

Sam, You can get them from Rubicon Express

www.rubiconexpress.com

Originally posted by CronusTRD
Sam, You can get them from Rubicon Express

www.rubiconexpress.com

Cool, I saw that after I reread it.. "RE" duhh... lol

Booger Weldz Hey I was looking on the RE web site, and saw they had 2 different styles... Which do I need to make the rear shackle hangers from??? I am assuming the large ones right???

RE3791 SUPERFLEX-2 ASSEMBLY SMALL

RE3792 SUPERFLEX-2 ASSEMBLY LARGE

They look the same in the pic. :confused:

Whats nice about the RE ones is that if you ever do get some slop in them, you can tighten the threaded collar down a bit and goodbye slop... I personally never had a problem with that after 25,000 miles and never greasing them, but if i ever wanted to, its a nice option....

Hugh

Booger- I wish I would have read your thread before I bought AP's pieces of Chit! It's takin me all day to get these fawkers put together and I'm still not done! Do not buy Ap Johnny Joints they Blow:flipoff2:

I installed the AP one's and took some time to figure it out as well. However once I figured out the secret, they went on fairly easy. I took a couple of large welding vice-grips and squished them on. I grabbed the outter housing with the vice-grip and grabbed the clip with the other side of the vice-grip. Once you sqeeze them together, the clip can seat it's self with the help of a screw-driver and a few taps with a hammer to work it into the groove. Now wait till you have to remove them. You better have a high quality clip remover plyer. Where I broke 2 cheap one's. :D

I've heard they go together pretty easily with one of these:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/04000-04099/04065.gif

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=4065

Originally posted by ErikB
I've heard they go together pretty easily with one of these:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/04000-04099/04065.gif

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=4065 Or a 20 ton Press!!!!:D

I had to fight and fight installing mine too. I did not want to install them off the truck and then weld them on and risk damaging the bushings so i welded the hangers on first and then came the battle. After a couple of hours of hammers and clamps I borrowed a hand pump press. It was made by "Greenley" and I'm not sure that it was a true press. It had a threaded end that I inserted a bolt into. I put two sockets on either side of the assembly just large enough for the large washers. I slid the bolt on the end of the press through everything. Then put some flat washers on the bolt and worked the press in to draw the sockets together and presto! It all snapped in perfect. I would probably still be fighting with the damn things if I did not have that tool.

Just a side note. I got everything together and greesed my first zerk. Pulled off the greese gun and snap! the zerk broke right off of the bolt head. Needless to say I was a little pissed after the install went so easily.

IMHO I think a product like this should have instructions. I haven't bought much from all-pro but between this and the instructions that came with my hy steer kit (i.e. the template for the placement of the steering box which we know is wrong) I am not impressed.

I'm probably going to get flamed for saying this, but this is how I finally got them to work. I bought mine from AP and hated them from the start. I tried everything to get these things together but with no luck. Everything I've read and more and couldn't get them together. Then I changed my approach. I took the poly bushing parts over to my trusty bench grinder. I carefully removed a small amount at a time around the entire outside of the bushing until it slid into the steel body snuggly. Then I removed material from the flat portion of the bushings (removed evenly from both bushings on the outsides) that goes up against the metal washers until both clips could be put on. I made shackle hangers with these two years ago and have run them hard. No slop or problems thus far. I'm a fruit cake, I know. Good luck.

Originally posted by ErikB
I've heard they go together pretty easily with one of these:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/04000-04099/04065.gif

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=4065


That is what I used. went right together.

Those of you that have had problems, how did you guys weld them? Meaning did you take care to spot it around the tube or did you just use a single pass? I have heard of guys having problems because they warped the "housing" by not spot welding around it.

use the REs and you wont have a problem

Originally posted by zags



That is what I used. went right together.

I think I'm gonna go pick that up! Thanks guys

Just thinkin out loud here but what about throwing the poly parts in the freezer?? Would they shrink some? Or just get stiff and be worse to install???

CJ

F.Y.I The Harbor Freight stores do not carry the ball joint tool, you have to order it online.

Originally posted by GearMan
use the REs and you wont have a problem

you guys miss this post? send those junker joints back and buy some good ones.

I did miss the post or I wouldn't have bought them:(

I went to Pep Boys and you can rent the Ball Joint tool kit for a $100 re-fundable deposit. I'm sure Autozone and Checker would have it too.

you guys must not have a very good harbor freight. I bought mine at the local store for $25.

ErikB-:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: Thanks! It did the job, it only took me 15 mins. to do it by myslef

Here's a write up-
http://www.wildyoats.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=26282#post26282

or get super frustrated, drink a bunch of beer, break your vice and back, then get on the computer and cry about it all night like i did:flipoff2: :D yeah, get the $50 ones, well worth another $12....
bahahaha that was the best laugh I have had all day.

I'm thinking of getting these but I'll put it together in my press first it looks like!

ya i just got some and put them together last week. went in real easy with a press and a socket....but putting them on the truck is another story. i am not going to weld the hanger in with the bushings...

i was wondering how i was going to get the joint in the housing once its welded to the crossmember....the way that azwildyoat did looks good. thanks, i will be trying that method this next week

You just gota be smarter than the joint. I used 1/2" sockets like you would use in a press but instead just slid a gr8 bolt through them and the hole assembly. Cranked the bolt and nut down and installed the snap ring. Piece of cake.

You just gota be smarter than the joint. I used 1/2" sockets like you would use in a press but instead just slid a gr8 bolt through them and the hole assembly. Cranked the bolt and nut down and installed the snap ring. Piece of cake.


now that's what the instructions should say - atta boy :)

so is the cheapest place $100 from allpro or ?

Looks like $80 from RubiconExpress but then you might need their special tool and I kinda like that the other once comes partially setup to just weld to the frame.

Im using the ap joints, when I first tried to put them together I tried to do it with a vise and no grease. This was a big mistake, I now have one broken vise and I had to use a friends shop press to get the joint back apart, ended up bending the crap out of one of the washers, it was a major pita. On the second try I put a thin film of grease on the poly and on the inside of the metal housing and went with the long bolt and socket method, everything went together smooth with very little hassles, I would buy them again

incidentally, ive got RE joints on the shackles on my new truck, i put them together with my bare hands and then tightened them down with the tool. SIMPLE. the johnny joints/allpro joints suck and arent even 'adjustable' if the bushing starts to wear... ...$0.02....

I have the JJ's from AP on the back of my rig. I made the mount out of a piece of 2 x 2 x .250 steel tube. I cut the hole with a hole saw on the drill press, welded it up and then welded a piece of .250 steel on top for welding to the frame. Put the joint together on my 20-ton press. Clamped the mount to the frame and put somemore clamps on it to act as a heat sink. Welded it to the frame with no burning of the bushings, did not weld it all at once, but also did no take my time!!!! :grinpimp:

They worked fine for me, several times and I would do it again.
I used WD40, 2-Open "C" type Vice Grips, 1-Screw Driver and small hammer (to chase the snap ring in), and a bit of Elbow Grease :p Did it after I welded them up to my frame. :D

You just gota be smarter than the joint. I used 1/2" sockets like you would use in a press but instead just slid a gr8 bolt through them and the hole assembly. Cranked the bolt and nut down and installed the snap ring. Piece of cake.


thats it!!! :bounce2: :bounce2: :bounce2:

that sounds like the method i will try first!!!

another vote for RE joints... every time I needed JJ I went to RE. There stuff is awsome, greese everything, put everything inside the body, put the screw top on, and screw it on with a $11 adapter, slip on the snap ring and your finish, possibly a 3 minute job.

I just got the AP stuff, got the whole package. I am not quite sure what the spacers are for but it is a complete package!

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/gallery/albums/steeringsuspension/shackles.sized.jpg

By the way I drove to RE with cash in hand but they said they wouldn't have any in stock for weeks, AP had those to me in a couple days..

I'll do a writeup on the install and all that stuff from what I have read here. I plan on using the bolt with sockets method to get it all together..

what are you gonna do with your old shackles??? if you decide to sell em put me inline first...

what are you gonna do with your old shackles??? if you decide to sell em put me inline first...


I love having old parts of my truck floating around :)

I should keep track of all the rigs running something that was once on my truck he he

Haven't thought about the shackles yet - let me get it all mounted up and I'll see. Those shackles were the first thing I bought for my truck :)

id hate to steal your memories so maybe you should just keep em for a spare....

id hate to steal your memories so maybe you should just keep em for a spare....


if there was a contest to see who has the most pictures of their rig I think I'd win - I got plenty of pics I don't need the shackles but I just don't know when I will get to pullin em off. You home now?

If you buy the RE joints in a quantity you can get the price down. I think mine were about $30 each shipped when we ordered up a bunch from our local shop. :) I've heard some get them for even a lower price, but they do order a lot of them!

-Wayne

yah ill behome tommorow but now i gotta meet marlin and the gang at grant line and wilton road to pick up a power steering setup.... i got cash...

Anyone have pictures of their ghetto assembly tools? I am special ed :flipoff2:

Anyone have pictures of their ghetto assembly tools? I am special ed :flipoff2:
Ask booger welds
pretty sure he posted a long thread on these years ago:D

EDIT............damn this post is from booger, you dug up a 6 year old post:laughing::laughing::laughing:

http://www.whiteknucklemotorsports.net/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66&Itemid=2

http://whiteknucklemotorsports.net/gallery/albums/jj/APJJ_010.jpg

pretty ghetto