I was woundering, can I run a spool in the rear, for a truck that is my daily driver. I trashed my carrier, and I need to replace it. I do a lot of off roading, but at the same time, I am on the HighWay a lot too. Back and forth to work, and shit like that. Should I just get a new carrier, and run my locker, or get a spool, and sell the locker??

Will the spool put any additional wear and tear on my Toyota Rear End??

i welded mine about 8k miles ago on my daily driver and i love it. Plus i love all the strange looks i get when i pull into a parking spot. has tire wear increased? sure. is it worth it? Hell YES!

every sharp turn you'll hear the dogs start barkin, but I doubt you'll have any worries

I run a spool on both my jeep and my toyota...wouldnt have it any other way. The tires do bark a little, especially when the pressure is low, but it isn't that bad

hey sam,i have a spool in my toyota but it is not a daily driver.i had a locker in the rear and moved it to the front,and i like the spool better for highway driving.but you will wear tires alot faster too.
also did yall have a good turnout for the fundraiser today,i had to work.but i will get up there as soon as i can...

i run a full spool in the rear, i had a detroit and i personaly believe that the spool is better to drive with, also the taller the tyres you have the less bark or chrip you are going to get.


NICK

Mine is spooled, the only locker I would consider running is an ARB. I don't have any complaints.

just run the PSI a little higher in the rear, that way the contact pattern on the road is smaller adn will equal less wear...

As far as drivabilty goes I liked my welded rear, less jerking when shifting. When I got SX's I put it up front and put the lockright in the rear. Big tires are to much money and they do wear noticably faster when fully locked in the rear on a daily driver.

Originally posted by Bill Collins
hey sam,i have a spool in my toyota but it is not a daily driver.i had a locker in the rear and moved it to the front,and i like the spool better for highway driving.but you will wear tires alot faster too.
also did yall have a good turnout for the fundraiser today,i had to work.but i will get up there as soon as i can...

Hey whats up? The turn out was good, its a lot of work.. lol We made almost $300 for the Tx4x4 Club. I am not worried about the tire wear, but I was woundering about sny extra stress on the rear end. Do you think it would cause premature bear failer??

Originally posted by NIC
i run a full spool in the rear, i had a detroit and i personaly believe that the spool is better to drive with, also the taller the tyres you have the less bark or chrip you are going to get.


NICK

Why would you say the spool is beter? Just woundering. Do you thing I will be happier with a spool, or shoud I just replacer my busted carrier, with a new carrier, and just run my locker. The guy that is going to install my gears, it really trying to turn me away from the spool..

Originally posted by TR
i welded mine about 8k miles ago on my daily driver and i love it. Plus i love all the strange looks i get when i pull into a parking spot. has tire wear increased? sure. is it worth it? Hell YES!

Well me and my friend welded his Jeep, and to me welding is about the same a a spool Right??? I really want the spool, and the guy that is going to set up my gears, said I will n ot like it.. I didn't want to argue woth him their, I thought I would do a little investigateing firts... But I am pretty set on running a spool.

Originally posted by Clifton
As far as drivabilty goes I liked my welded rear, less jerking when shifting. When I got SX's I put it up front and put the lockright in the rear. Big tires are to much money and they do wear noticably faster when fully locked in the rear on a daily driver.

Yeah I noticed when shifting my truck, exp. on a turn, that damn thing would jerk, and make me look like I couldn't drive.. I dont Like that.. I run 37's on my Tacoma.

Originally posted by 98Taco


Hey whats up? The turn out was good, its a lot of work.. lol We made almost $300 for the Tx4x4 Club. I am not worried about the tire wear, but I was woundering about sny extra stress on the rear end. Do you think it would cause premature bear failer?? it is alittle more stress,but toy rear axels are strong.i did bend one shaft on my truck a little...

the spool has better road characterisitcs other than tire wear becasue you know what it is going to do. That is especially important on icey roads up here. It will aslo avoid the jerking as it unloads when you hit the gas on the highway. I would not run the psi up as a way to compenaste for tire wear. What it will do then is just burn throught the center 1.5" of your tire, wich will leave you with a u shaped tread pattern. I run mine for even tire contact and just live with it.

I don't see it being any more wear on the bearings. I couldn't keep a set of 5.29's in my v6 rear end for more than a couple months so I'm now running a 9" with a spool.

Originally posted by Wilson
I don't see it being any more wear on the bearings. I couldn't keep a set of 5.29's in my v6 rear end for more than a couple months so I'm now running a 9" with a spool.

Was the spool tearing up the Gears?? I am running 4:88's in my Tacoma rear. When I get the spool if I do, I will be puting a new set of gears in the rear..

Originally posted by Wilson
I don't see it being any more wear on the bearings. I couldn't keep a set of 5.29's in my v6 rear end for more than a couple months so I'm now running a 9" with a spool. ++


So basicaly what I am asking if I run a new Set of gears, and bearing, and the spool, KNOWING THE SET UP JOB WILL BE DONE RIGHT will I have to worry about shit breaking all the time?? Thats my prob. now..

Originally posted by Bill Collins
it is alittle more stress,but toy rear axels are strong.i did bend one shaft on my truck a little...

hehe I have bent both of my rear axle shafts.. It sux. My Taco rear end is a peice of shit..

Originally posted by brimy311
just run the PSI a little higher in the rear, that way the contact pattern on the road is smaller adn will equal less wear... and this will wear the center out, so how is that less wear? lol, com awn! think.......:rolleyes: overinflated tires wear out the center, underinflated wear out the sides..............so if you overinflate and run a spool you will really wear out the centers fast.........
I'm welded front and rear, but I don't drive it all that much, I like no jerking, unlike the lock rights.....get the spool, expect increased tire wear though. how much? I don't know, I don't drive my rig enough to notice.

Both of my gearsets were professionally setup. I was told that a spool should not wear out gears like that and that I did not break the gears in properly (2nd set), which is a big stinking load of BS. I got the first set of gears and the bent spool replaced under warranty form one wholesaler (drivetrains direct) The second set came from west coast and they told me tough luck. So I requested that my 9" spool and gears be bought from drivetrains direct because they stand behind their shit. If you're bending axles and stuff already, swap in a 9" rear end. You will never break it and it will match the width of your rc44.I don't know what they cost out there, but I got mine for $150... you're buying a spool and gears already. I did a disc brake and 6 lug conversion for about $225 and you will be set. 31 spline is plenty strong. Scott@rockstomper is running one in the Mantis and has only broken one stock shaft. The stock shafts are bigger than stock 60 shafts, the gears are about the same size as a 60 as well. My rear pinion is a half inch lower than my front D44 pinion, which has been rotated 12 degrees.

Originally posted by brimy311
just run the PSI a little higher in the rear, that way the contact pattern on the road is smaller adn will equal less wear...

Take note people as somebody says this every time teh topic of spools in DD comes up. All that you are doing by increasing the tire pressure is making the noise a little less and ruining a good set of tires. Most of us pay too much money for our tires to ruin them this way. Seabass and I have both already explained in this post how you will ruin your tires.

Originally posted by Wilson
Both of my gearsets were professionally setup. I was told that a spool should not wear out gears like that and that I did not break the gears in properly (2nd set), which is a big stinking load of BS. I got the first set of gears and the bent spool replaced under warranty form one wholesaler (drivetrains direct) The second set came from west coast and they told me tough luck. So I requested that my 9" spool and gears be bought from drivetrains direct because they stand behind their shit. If you're bending axles and stuff already, swap in a 9" rear end. You will never break it and it will match the width of your rc44.I don't know what they cost out there, but I got mine for $150... you're buying a spool and gears already. I did a disc brake and 6 lug conversion for about $225 and you will be set. 31 spline is plenty strong. Scott@rockstomper is running one in the Mantis and has only broken one stock shaft. The stock shafts are bigger than stock 60 shafts, the gears are about the same size as a 60 as well. My rear pinion is a half inch lower than my front D44 pinion, which has been rotated 12 degrees.

Well the spool is going in the Tacoma Rear end, not the Dana 44. Where would I start looking to get the ford 9?? What type of truck??

spool drives real nice. 3 point turns are more like 5 or 6 with the spool. It beats a Detroit for predictability- as stated above- but why not an e-locker? it would be real nice to turn that sucker off on the street.

Originally posted by TK
spool drives real nice. 3 point turns are more like 5 or 6 with the spool. It beats a Detroit for predictability- as stated above- but why not an e-locker? it would be real nice to turn that sucker off on the street.
"as stated above- but why not an e-locker?"

I trashed my carrier, and I dont want to get F**KED By Toyota for their shit. It is way over priced... A spool would just be the answer I think.. Then I could sell my Locker.. :D :D

if you don't mind a little chirping when you go around the corners you will be ok

I think you misunderstood me, I was saying to spool a 9" and that it will match the width WMS to WMS of your D44. You can find them in mid 70's through mid 80's F150's, broncos and vans. Mine came out of a F100 and was a "heavy duty 9" with a larger pinion bearing. They have what is called a "banjo" housing. It is a one piece housing and looks similar to a toy rear end. It is different than the 9" that was used on EB's. Those have a defined seperate cast center section that actually looks like a pumpkin.

I've got almost 20k on my spool with 529's in the rear end that's on my second rig. My 85 pu got totalled last winter and now the rear is on my 87 runner sas and I drive to the bay area from tahoe and back every other weekend. It's also gone to Washington and back, 20 straight hours of driving. Had 35's last season, but have 37's this year. Never had a problem yet. No noises and clean gear oil. Great in the box or on the road.

Does anyone even make a spool for a Taco rear end? :confused:

Originally posted by ErikB
Does anyone even make a spool for a Taco rear end? :confused:

It will be out in 3 weeks.. :D :D :D

Originally posted by 98Taco


Why would you say the spool is beter? Just woundering. Do you thing I will be happier with a spool, or shoud I just replacer my busted carrier, with a new carrier, and just run my locker. The guy that is going to install my gears, it really trying to turn me away from the spool..


i am happier with the spool, and the main reason is it dosent engage and disengage and make fawked up noise. the detroit had a habbit of kicking, clunking ect, the spool has none of that.


NICK

Originally posted by TK
spool drives real nice. 3 point turns are more like 5 or 6 with the spool. It beats a Detroit for predictability- as stated above- but why not an e-locker? it would be real nice to turn that sucker off on the street.


i dont know about that, i can do a 3 point turn in 3 or less points still, and you mention the e-locker, i would rather an arb, sure it is alittle more of an out lay but you also get onboard air.


NICK

Originally posted by Omt x4
I've got almost 20k on my spool with 529's in the rear end that's on my second rig. My 85 pu got totalled last winter and now the rear is on my 87 runner sas and I drive to the bay area from tahoe and back every other weekend. It's also gone to Washington and back, 20 straight hours of driving. Had 35's last season, but have 37's this year. Never had a problem yet. No noises and clean gear oil. Great in the box or on the road.


agree with everything you said, treated right you wont have a problem.


NICK

I have had mined welded since last october in an '88 regular cab. Driving on the highway is the best. The truck tracks straight and you don't even know its there until you go around corners in the city. Yes you will get wierd looks and its kinda scary for people who ride in the truck. They kinda wonder what all the noise is about. Simple explanantion, "my truck can now go anywhere in 2wd that is used to be able to go in 4wd." Yes there is increased tread wear. If and when my truck is turned into the off-road machine I will go with the ARB. Seems like the best option right now, but they are expensive.

hey-

I drive one daily- works fine. Much better than the Detroit that was in it first. Gonna want to rotate your tires more frequently tho-

Ended up getting just under 17,000 mile out of a set of 35" BFG's. It's kinda 6 of one, half a dozen of the other as far a tire wear goes- not sure what wore'm out faster, the trail use or the spool. Definately know that all 5 tires (I rotated the spare in too) were worn flat w/ no cupping :D

edit-

I'll be interested to see how the new MT/R's hold up-

later

i love mine. (welded of course)

i need a good reason for bigger tires and new gears so do i mind?

not really!

but the tires are not wearing as fast as i thought they would. i love haveing the traction all the time and never having to worry about the locker engaging.

Where you getting your Taco spool from? I would be real interested to swap back to a Taco axle if I could spool it. I like the extra 2" of width and the stronger R&P

re the E-locker... that isn't an option in a regular Taco housing. You can modify a regular 8" housing to fit the e locker but AFAIK not the regular Taco housing. The e-locker actually uses an 8" R&P.

Now you guys are really gonna laugh -

What's a spool? Is it something to consider on a midly-built '84? Any suggestions where to get one?

Thanks,

Originally posted by SubCultureNM
Now you guys are really gonna laugh -

What's a spool? Is it something to consider on a midly-built '84? Any suggestions where to get one?

Thanks,

More q's from the sway bar guy huh??:flipoff2:

A spool is a one piece machined unit that replaces the carrier in a differntial. It has no moving parts (spider/side gears) the axle shafts slide directly into it. This means that both wheels are fully locked all of the time and will always turn at the same speed. This is what creates the noise that everyone is talking about. When cornering the inside tire is turning at the same speed as the outside tire, just moving a shorter distance, which makes the tire spin in place and "bark". A spool is the strongest and cheapest locker available. Many guys simply weld up the spider and side gears, which in affect does the same thing, however if not done correctly, the welds will break and possibly ruin a set of gears. Whether or not a spool is for you, is up for you to decide. They handle better on the road and are stronger than a detroit, but they wear tires faster. If you want your truck to drive like an open diff truck and wheel like it has a spool, buy an ARB. When engaged an ARB is spooled, but when disengaged, it acts just like an open diff.

Originally posted by Wilson


More q's from the sway bar guy huh??:flipoff2:

Dude - I gots a ton of 'em!

A spool is a one piece machined unit that replaces the carrier in a differntial. It has no moving parts (spider/side gears) the axle shafts slide directly into it. This means that both wheels are fully locked all of the time and will always turn at the same speed. This is what creates the noise that everyone is talking about. When cornering the inside tire is turning at the same speed as the outside tire, just moving a shorter distance, which makes the tire spin in place and "bark". A spool is the strongest and cheapest locker available. Many guys simply weld up the spider and side gears, which in affect does the same thing, however if not done correctly, the welds will break and possibly ruin a set of gears. Whether or not a spool is for you, is up for you to decide. They handle better on the road and are stronger than a detroit, but they wear tires faster. If you want your truck to drive like an open diff truck and wheel like it has a spool, buy an ARB. When engaged an ARB is spooled, but when disengaged, it acts just like an open diff.

We have ARBs in our Jeep and love 'em. I was pretty sure that I knew what a spool is, but wanted to make sure (thanks for the description!) Can you suggest a source for them?

As they say - the only stupid question is the one you don't ask (in my defense!)

They are available in all of the mags, or any local shop should be able to source one for you.

Originally posted by paniolo
Where you getting your Taco spool from? I would be real interested to swap back to a Taco axle if I could spool it. I like the extra 2" of width and the stronger R&P

re the E-locker... that isn't an option in a regular Taco housing. You can modify a regular 8" housing to fit the e locker but AFAIK not the regular Taco housing. The e-locker actually uses an 8" R&P.

Pm me your phone # and I will call you and let you know all the info I found on them, and where to look to get it. I also see your in Austin, my brother lives in Austin, and I will be heading down their as soon as I get my Rear end fixed, to go to the slab. You wanna go with us??

spools kick ass, at1/3 the price of a selectable, no parts to break, and psyco traction, yeah just do it and rotate tires regularly.