Go off the record, no numbers.


https://www.vbd.com/noc/shop/products_detail.asp?CategoryID=104&ProductID=242

Just something to consider. Your EBR most likely has a number, recorded when it went from FFL to FFL. If a ban passes, strip it, turn in lower, and reinstall parts on unnumbered lower, done deal.

Sure it might cost a bit more, but how worried are you? Not all of us have access to a CNC mill to do a reciever from scratch, or even complete an 80% deal, so this seems a viable alternative.

Just a thought.

Anyone got any experience with this company or finnishing one of thier recievers?

If you've got a steady hand, I think there are some print-to-form templates on the net. Of course, I have no idea of their scale or accuracy.

Also, if there was an outright ban on all things EBR....would it suffice to say the ATF would peruse 80% receiver and flat sales?

That's an expensive option.

Also, if there was an outright ban on all things EBR....would it suffice to say the ATF would peruse 80% receiver and flat sales?

Thats why you buy it now.

If you've got a steady hand, I think there are some print-to-form templates on the net. Of course, I have no idea of their scale or accuracy.

Also, if there was an outright ban on all things EBR....would it suffice to say the ATF would peruse 80% receiver and flat sales?

Since 80% recievers and flats are not firearms, there is no requirement to keep records of who purchased them. Its like buying a piece of metal to build a link mount for an axle, its just metal.


This all may just be a tinfoil hat thing. According to Pete, boundbooks are only viewed by the FFL holder, and according to the FFL holder I dealt with today, a NICS check only stays up for a day or so on their computer.

But in the case of running a business, dont they have to maintain sales records on inventory for the IRS? Would have to be a cool company to sell "Chunks of metal"

Since 80% recievers and flats are not firearms, there is no requirement to keep records of who purchased them. Its like buying a piece of metal to build a link mount for an axle, its just metal.

This all may just be a tinfoil hat thing. According to Pete, boundbooks are only viewed by the FFL holder, and according to the FFL holder I dealt with today, a NICS check only stays up for a day or so on their computer.

I understand they're not firearms. But, that's not to say there wouldn't be any records.

Tinfoil hat firmly secured...http://commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/tinfoil.gif..The ATF might first take the 80% manufactures wholesale records of all 80% rec sales distributed to commercial outlets. Then, those comm. outlets would be investigated. If you bought one, especially via credit card and it was mailed to you, I would think you would be in their transaction records.

this is the guy i use
http://www.cncguns.com/tooling.html

Billet. I guarantee that there's no usable record of what pieces of scrap aluminum I've bought or where/what they might be now. Even the guys at the aluminum place only know that I'm making machined mechanical parts.

If you want "off the record", google bolt together AR15 lower--somebody out there posted plans and detailed drawings of how to make a functional AR15 lower with little more than a tabletop mini mill, and I honestly think that if you didn't mind ugly, it could be done with nothing more than a drill press and a file (neglecting the buffer tower, but there's info out there on how to cobble that without a tap, too).

Unfortunately, billet really isn't an option without CNC, unless you start with an 80% billet, in which case it can be finished with any of several manual machine processes depending on which 80% you get.

Personally, since I have CNC at my disposal... I'm building my collection. Got the AR10 scienced out to where I'm pretty confident it'll be a reliable rifle now, I think a working AR10/G3 hybrid proto is less than a week out, and I may just roll on the AR15 lower after that. :)

it could be done with nothing more than a drill press and a file

While working on my Saiga 12, it has been amazing what you can do with patience and a file set,,,,and its a harbor freight file set at that :laughing:

The different shaped ones make forming and fitting a breeze.

I looked into ar 80% a few months ago and again a few weeks ago and was seeing $45 to $50 prices, now the cheapest is $123.
I'll pass at that cost.

supply & demand. i don't fault the suppliers one bit.

I've never seen an 80% for less than $100ish, and while the portion of the machine work that gets a billet lower to about the shape of a raw forging, is the overwhelming majority of the machine time, there's no shortage of machine time to the rest. Just punching out the magwell takes over an hour (actually, I think my current magwell cut-out program has closer to two hours of run time), the buffer tower is a half-hour or so, the FCG well is a half-hour or so....

That said, getting to what's often referred to as "10%" (shape, both sides contoured, no internal machining at all) is collectively 4-6 hours of machine time for me. Getting from that to functional firearm is only a couple more hours, if I have nothing else going on to interrupt me.

Any way you slice it, though, finishing 80% stuff isn't something you do if the money involved is the only motivation. It's just not worth the time--the production stuff isn't that expensive. Even folding AK flats is questionable as to monetary worth-while--spend two hours bending, welding, heat-treating, etc., to save $30? And that's assuming you already have all the tools.

To get back to the original question, I have no experience with the company or their products, but the portion of work necessary to finish off one of their receivers is pretty easy (at least with the jigs shown, if you don't have a mill) IMO. The catch is mostly that stupid-expensive tap--I'd have a lot of trouble justifying buying that tap if I was only going to do one or two lowers. OTOH, I already bought it... :laughing: