Does any one know what year diesels will have to be smogged? I want an old twelve valve to tweak but if the state is gonna look at me under a microscope I may have to plan on some thing else:(

Don't know what they are going to do, but I doubt they'd look much at an old 12 valver. I'm thinking they'll probably do 07-08 and up trucks as these were the first to have any emmissions equipment from the factory.

Its hard to test something old that was never regulated in the first place.

Kevo

97 and newer last i saw.

97 and newer last i saw.

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http://www.dmv.ca.gov/about/leg/leginfo_vr.htm

Diesel-Powered Vehicles — Operative January 1, 2008
Add: Vehicle Code §4755 (AB 233 Chapter No. 592)

Prohibits the DMV from registering, renewing the registration, or transferring the ownership of a heavy-duty diesel motor vehicle, as specified, if the owner or operator has an outstanding emissions-related citation until that citation is cleared as determined by the Air Resources Board.

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Diesel-Powered Vehicles — Operative January 1, 2010
Amend, Repeal, and Add: Health & Safety Code §§44010.5, 44011, 44012 (AB 1488 Chapter No. 739)

Adds diesel-powered vehicles manufactured after the 1997 model-year that have a gross vehicle weight rating of less than 8,501 pounds to be in the biennial smog check program.

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Looks like under 8501 lbs and post 1997. last i checked our trucks are between 8800 lbs and under 14000 lbs so you should be fine for the time being until CARB gets another hair up their ass.

should be about a year maybe less till legislation comes out to address testing the 8500-14k group.

Does that go off of the vehicles actual weight, or the weight rating. I'd pay more taxes per year to not have to smog it.

x2

X3.
glad i have a 96.
The other thing to consider, is that if you just keep your stock injectors, you can most likely pass emissions test with all other mods. other than the straight pipe... might want to keep the stock exhaust as well...

Does that go off of the vehicles actual weight, or the weight rating. I'd pay more taxes per year to not have to smog it.

GVWR is what is used

That applies to lightweight diesels, which as you can see are few and far between.

Still hasn't caught up to the majority of us 3/4 and 1 ton truck owners. I don't trust California or Jerry Brown, because they are bound and determined to chase all commercial vehicles out of this state.

I've lived in california my entire life and have nevered smogged any vehicle I've ever owned. All of my stuff is registered at my desert house near glamis. It is Imperial county and they do not do the biannual smog. They smog during title transfer. So its easy. If selling a car, you add that person to the title. A week later you remove your name from the title. Way easy.

Already been covered Here (http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=710058&highlight=8501)

I appears that you want a 1997 or prior year truck as the newer ones will be tested eventually.

The current regulations effectively hits the diesel jettas, passats, new diesel benz. The regs are not even in draft form for the 8501 -1000 lb range or the 10-14k range and the 14k + range.

Currently health code 44011 a 8(A) (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/appndxa/hlthsaf/hs44011.htm) says

(a) All motor vehicles powered by internal combustion engines that are registered within an area designated for program coverage shall be required biennially to obtain a certificate of compliance or noncompliance, except for the following:
....

(8) (A) All diesel-powered vehicles manufactured prior to the 1998 model-year.
(B) All diesel-powered vehicles that have a gross vehicle weight rating of 8,501 to 10,000 pounds, inclusive, until the department, in consultation with the state board, pursuant to Section 44012, implements test procedures applicable to these vehicles.

(C) All diesel-powered vehicles that have a gross vehicle weight rating from 10,001 pounds to 13,999 pounds, inclusive, until the state board and the Department of Motor Vehicles determine the best method for identifying these vehicles, and until the department, in consultation with the state board, pursuant to Section 44012, implements test procedures applicable to these vehicles.

(D) All diesel-powered vehicles that have a gross vehicle weight rating of 14,000 pounds or greater.

Thanks guys!

Most of your PSD's and Cummin's are in the GVWR of 8900 -9k.
My 2005 3/4 Dodge is 9k.

I would not worry about smogging those for a while. I I think it will start with the 2008's.

The new proposed emissions regulations include all diesel vehicles up to 14,000 lbs GVWR. :mad:

http://www.autorepair.ca.gov/80_BARResources/05_Legislative/RegulatoryActions/dieselcoms1108.html

At a minimum, AB 1488 requires that 1998 and newer vehicles with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of less than 8501 pounds be included in the Smog Check Program. In addition, the legislation requires the inclusion of diesel-powered vehicles less than 14,000 pounds GVWR once DMV determines the best method for identifying these vehicles, and ARB/BAR implement applicable test procedures. After working with the DMV and the ARB, the three agencies agreed that it would be most cost effective to include diesel vehicles up to 14,000 pounds GVWR so that program changes could be made all at once. This will result in significant cost savings to the State because DMV will only have to make changes to the system once, and emission benefits will be realized to the State sooner.

The bill indicates that the test will, at a minimum, consist of visual checks of the emission control systems (ECS), and an On Board Diagnostics (OBD) test. In addition, AB 1870 (Lieber, Chapter 761, Statutes of 2006) requires a visible smoke test.

AAAARGH!!! I fawking hate this state. :mad3:


I thought we might slide by this one but they caught their fawk up!

This is bullshit!!! How do I find out the GVWR? I looked for a tag in the door/door jam but there was nothing. It's an `05 3500 srw cummins 4x4. This is getting fawking ridiculous!!! First my big rig and now the Dodge!!!:mad3::mad3::mad3: A friend said that they are going to start checking hot rods/customs/muscle cars/etc. He said they are going to go by the block ##'s. They will pull your registration until you get the engine to comply with the smog equipment required for the year of the block. :mad3::mad3:

Glad I left Kalifornia when I did. 14 years and counting.

Glad I left Kalifornia when I did. 14 years and counting.

alaska sounds good right now...

Another thing to consider, if you're running a computerized diesel, you can run major mods, and as long as you change the tuning to a real light program for smog, you oughta be fine.

alaska sounds good right now...

Another thing to consider, if you're running a computerized diesel, you can run major mods, and as long as you change the tuning to a real light program for smog, you oughta be fine.

Nope, too cold for you, you won't like it, you will get moose stomped.......we're full.:flipoff2:

It ain't the hot rods that are making all the pollution lol...

I know the epa and CARB started scrambling immediately after the first gen dodge diesels starting selling like hotcakes. Before that, the diesel pickup #'s sold were so low they didn't really take them seriously. Dodge diesels started with the 1989 model year and by 91.5 they were being delivered with intercoolers and a couple other small changes in order to lower the n0x emissions. 2nd gens came out with the p pump as well to increase pop pressure as an aid to emulsification/cleaner burning and it has all be downhill since then... 1998.5 the vp44 injected 24V cummins came out...

As far as the current 6.7 cummins - anyone care for some in-cylinder EGR? :laughing:

This is bullshit!!! How do I find out the GVWR? I looked for a tag in the door/door jam but there was nothing. It's an `05 3500 srw cummins 4x4. This is getting fawking ridiculous!!! First my big rig and now the Dodge!!!:mad3::mad3::mad3: A friend said that they are going to start checking hot rods/customs/muscle cars/etc. He said they are going to go by the block ##'s. They will pull your registration until you get the engine to comply with the smog equipment required for the year of the block. :mad3::mad3:

Its on the door.
Anyway, your would be between 10-12k.

looks like I will renouncing my CA stateship and become a AZ resident. I will use my Dads vacation spot.

He said they are going to go by the block ##'s. They will pull your registration until you get the engine to comply with the smog equipment required for the year of the block. :mad3::mad3:

that's been the law in Ca for a long time now.Your smog requirements are based on the model year of the engine, not the car.

looks like I will renouncing my CA stateship and become a AZ resident. I will use my Dads vacation spot.

wont fix all of your problems. if a local cop sees you enough times with out of states plates over a period of time you can get fined. I was a victim of this but I was also living in a small town.

You have 20 days to reg an out of state vehicle. hard to argue it if you have CA DL and AZ plates.

You can now even report "cheaters" to the chp thru the chp and dmv websites.

http://www.chp.ca.gov/prog/cheaters.cgi

so piss your neighbors off and you could see a nice little fine. Even having a chp or LEO living in your 'hood could be risky.

that's been the law in Ca for a long time now.Your smog requirements are based on the model year of the engine, not the car.

Yup, and the emissions requirements, like exhaust having a CARB sticker and keeping the cat, for diesels has been in place as well. The difference is there is no enforcement. Since there is no enforcement none of the companies have bothered to get their equipment CARB/EPA certified, so basically any and all performance mods are illegal. Now they are actually going to enforce this, and do the inspections.

I guess I'll be registering all of our vehicles in CO and get our CO DL's next time we are over there :shaking:

that's been the law in Ca for a long time now.Your smog requirements are based on the model year of the engine, not the car.

This should make all of the 12 valve Cummins Dodges safe from this. All the early '98 trucks with the 12 valve were built before Jan. 1st, 1998 making them '97 model engines. After Jan. 1st, 1998 the 24 valves were introduced. If you track the evolution of the Cummins engine in Dodge trucks every big change was made mid-year because of new emissions laws coming in on Jan. 1st.

I'm thinking they'll probably do 07-08 and up trucks as these were the first to have any emmissions equipment from the factory.



um no so. go read the emissions label on wether it be a cummins, ford/IH or duramax and it will tell you the emissions equipment in that motor. started back way in the earlier 90's.....

Emissions changes started in the 80's, that's why Ford/IH went from the 6.9 to the 7.3 with amost no change in power, burns more fuel and runs "cleaner" due to relocated injectors, but makes the same power... That sure makes sense to me, the cleaner they make these things run, the more fuel they use, the new DPF equipped trucks are absolutley silly when it comes to mileage... I just don't get it...

Emissions changes started in the 80's, that's why Ford/IH went from the 6.9 to the 7.3 with amost no change in power, burns more fuel and runs "cleaner" due to relocated injectors, but makes the same power... That sure makes sense to me, the cleaner they make these things run, the more fuel they use, the new DPF equipped trucks are absolutley silly when it comes to mileage... I just don't get it...

I have a coworker with an 08 duramax and he is avoiding the latest ECU reflash cause he heard it will increase the regen overfueling by 20%. That's 20% more fuel to clean a filter that already dramatically decreases the fuel mileage. The ford guys who are pulling off the DPFs and eliminating regen are seeing huge increases in mpg.

I guess I'll be registering all of our vehicles in CO and get our CO DL's next time we are over there :shaking:

:shaking: We've had diesel emissions testing here for a long time. Not sure when it started, but the program was in place in '95 when I bought my first diesel.

Pete

This all goes back to what I've always wondered. Sure, they look clean at idle and such, but put it under a load for 1,000 miles, where the one without emissions burns 20% less fuel (or more), then is the one with the emissions truly cleaner:confused:

This should make all of the 12 valve Cummins Dodges safe from this.


I wouldn't be so sure... My '95 came with a cataytic converter so i am sure they have some base line emissions numbers they could find for that model year truck -- just 'cause it is old doesn't mean they weren't testing them somewhere from the beginning...

I wouldn't be so sure... My '95 came with a cataytic converter so i am sure they have some base line emissions numbers they could find for that model year truck -- just 'cause it is old doesn't mean they weren't testing them somewhere from the beginning...

I don't disagree, but the comment I made was towards the emmissions law posted earlier which stated engine build dates '97 and older were exempt. Hell ya they had baseline emmisions numbers back then. Why do you think the 6BT went intercooled in '91.5 or to the P-pump in '94? Emmissions, thats why.:flipoff2:

I guess I'll be registering all of our vehicles in CO and get our CO DL's next time we are over there :shaking:

Yup,
looks like its time to make a road trip to MO, to my dads place and register the truck there and get a DL from there :rolleyes: