)I'm new to Scouts, so bear with me if this has been covered before. I did some searching, but didn't find what I was looking for.

I have a '76 Scout II that's in the process of being gutted. It's getting full-width Ford 60s front and rear. Drivetrain plans currently call for a 460, C6, and NP205. I'm planning on running 38.5" SXs, and clearing them by a spring over with 44044s. I'm not afraid of the sawzall, and need to do some trimming anyway to remove some rusty spots (Rust, you say? On a Scout? Never! :D), but I want to keep the Scout lines. I've checked out the cut out flare pics, but don't dig the fullsize flares on a Scout. I've read about people using Dakota flares, but haven't seen any. If anyone has some, or could point me in that direction, I'd appreciate it.

My questions are how much trimming should I expect? I need to replace the body mounts also, so I'm considering a 1" body lift. I figure this will help me tuck the tranny and t-case if nothing else.

Thanks in advance for the info.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=677408


Well, yea its a paste of fullsize early 70's blazer flares to Cliffys ScoutII, but I like. Anybody! POST UP if you dont like these.

Abba's rig is the only Scout I've ever thought looked cool with fender flares. If you SEARCH you'll find plenty of pics.

As for trimming... Probably not much with the 4404's. Have you seen the standard shave? Where you sawzall the bottom 4" of the front, flush with the bumper and do the same in the rear?

I used to run 38s, just got to expensive as my daily driver. Getting to old too.

I could never find a set of flares that did not take away the lines of the scout. My local distributor would not let me open all the flare boxes.

The boy just wasted my,.....His now,,, Trany. Going C6 next.

Here is a link to that scout...

http://www.lanset.com/4x4guru/baby%20pics.htm

4x4guru@lanset.com

Originally posted by JoshC
Abba's rig is the only Scout I've ever thought looked cool with fender flares. If you SEARCH you'll find plenty of pics.



I'm familiar with Abba's rig, and I did SEARCH, but once again...I don't dig the look of full size cutouts on a Scout. I've been lurking 'round here for a while, and saw that chop on Cliffy's Scout when it was first posted. Those are growing on me, but I"d like to see them actually done to get an accurate feel for just how they'd fit up.

Thanks for the input guys.

If the 44044s flex as much as everyone says.. you'll probably need to cut a lot. :D

I started by cutting this much out with my 36s..

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/2_22_2002/DCP_0105.JPG

I've been taking more and more out after each trail ride.. cut some more of the rocker, and now I need to go after the outer/lower corner of the core supports..

http://www.m4x4a.org/ImageGallery/album35/DCP_0040.sized.jpg
http://www.m4x4a.org/ImageGallery/album43/DCP_0197.sized.jpg

I've got a '76 SSII and with 4" lift springs and a spring over I had to cut my fenders just like the pics you see here in the post with the exception that the back of the front fender was cut all the way back to the firewall. And yes, part of the front core support had to be removed as well. And all that just to clear 39.5 Boggers. They still rub the firewall, though. I think if I wanted to go to 44's I would have to change the wheelbase of the vehicle or remove part of the firewall and floorboard. I don't know how much a body lift is going to help but I wish you best of luck in your project. You can see pics of my Scout on Pat Deckers SSII website. Don't know the address right off hand but if you search the IH Webring you should find it. It's a red right-hand-drive '76 SSII with a yellow rollcage.

Originally posted by slipscomb
I've got a '76 SSII and with 4" lift springs and a spring over I had to cut my fenders just like the pics you see here in the post with the exception that the back of the front fender was cut all the way back to the firewall.

I'm getting closer to the firewall after each trail ride. :D

My fear is what happens when I remove enough of the triangular gussets from the A-pillar/firewall to the rocker? (towards the front, just below the vents)

I need to replace both body mounts, before the tub *really* \/ on me.. the windshield's already cracked from flexing..

I've seen 38x11 Boggers w/ NO lift.. and it required cutting back to the firewall and pounding every lip flat - and NO core supports (tilt front clip).

Tom,

just SOA the front of that damn thing and you will have to cut less, the 36's should fit nice.


Also, GO WIDER, not full width, not a fan of that, but a *bit* wider, get some turning radius back, stay our of the core support more....

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite
Tom,

just SOA the front of that damn thing and you will have to cut less, the 36's should fit nice.


Also, GO WIDER, not full width, not a fan of that, but a *bit* wider, get some turning radius back, stay our of the core support more....

When I go SOA, I hope to NOT move the bump stops, and still use 'em (still get full stuff and hit the 'stops).

AKA, tires would fit just as well at full stuff then as they do now.

How 'bout you - at full stuff, are you getting close to the stock bump stops, and/or are you hitting sheetmetal up front when turning? With 33s?

Now, good body mounts and bushings wouldn't hurt.. :D

Gotta get the new service panel installed so I can try the carbon-arc on the HP44..

Originally posted by Cajun
)I'm new to Scouts, so bear with me if this has been covered before. I did some searching, but didn't find what I was looking for.

I have a '76 Scout II that's in the process of being gutted. It's getting full-width Ford 60s front and rear. Drivetrain plans currently call for a 460, C6, and NP205. I'm planning on running 38.5" SXs, and clearing them by a spring over with 44044s. I'm not afraid of the sawzall, and need to do some trimming anyway to remove some rusty spots (Rust, you say? On a Scout? Never! :D), but I want to keep the Scout lines. I've checked out the cut out flare pics, but don't dig the fullsize flares on a Scout. I've read about people using Dakota flares, but haven't seen any. If anyone has some, or could point me in that direction, I'd appreciate it.

My questions are how much trimming should I expect? I need to replace the body mounts also, so I'm considering a 1" body lift. I figure this will help me tuck the tranny and t-case if nothing else.

Thanks in advance for the info.


Cajun:


Sounds like a good plan to me, not sure about the ford stuff though... not a big fan.. but the 205 is good :D

1" Body lift is good, I like mine, makes a differance with out casuing many issues. As for the 44044's, I like mine, but does require some work to get them in. After you get the SOA and the 44044's in, I don't think you will have to trim that much. Just neaten it up and call it good. There is also the JC Whitney flare materal. I think I will go that way when I get to that point. Don't much like rigid flares, have to squeaze through stuff as it is.....

heres a link to the pics I took instauling mine. I originaly set it up for IH PU Springs, 46" long, centered pin, then switched to the 44044's.... like them MUCH better :D

44044's (http://tigger.tmcom.com/~marka/ImageGallery/SOAv1)

Originally posted by slipscomb
I've got a '76 SSII and with 4" lift springs and a spring over It's a red right-hand-drive '76 SSII with a yellow rollcage.

That's your rig that was in the Aug, '02' issue of P4WD?

Nice rig man

Oh and WELCOME Newbie :flipoff2:

Originally posted by tsm1mt


When I go SOA, I hope to NOT move the bump stops, and still use 'em (still get full stuff and hit the 'stops).

AKA, tires would fit just as well at full stuff then as they do now.

How 'bout you - at full stuff, are you getting close to the stock bump stops, and/or are you hitting sheetmetal up front when turning? With 33s?

Now, good body mounts and bushings wouldn't hurt.. :D

Gotta get the new service panel installed so I can try the carbon-arc on the HP44..


umm, front bump stops.... what are those. Right now thats shocks, got to rework the mounts (well, one of them is off :D, they were only tack welded on for this reason.


No sheet metal in the front, un cut fenders. When I upsize, it will get trimed. Get close near the firewall... but not too bad right now.

Welcome to the board Slip!!

http://www.ihssii.org/public_html/IHSSII/otherssiifolders/slip/farewellwaterfall.jpg

http://www.ihssii.org/public_html/IHSSII/otherssiifolders/slip/farewellrockgarden1.jpg

More info is at

http://www.ihssii.org/ssiihtml/SSIISlip.html#Super

Slip, where did you get that hood scoop??


Matt (Still thrashing wildly)

Thanks again for the info.

Slip, nice ride.

Rustoleum, I agree. Ford stuff wasn't my first choice, but I figure that a Ford 205 will give me the right drop and I can always upgrade to the 3:1 or a Doubler. The C6 is close enough to bulletproof for me, and 460s are plentiful in junkyards 'round here. (Plus, I can always stroke it to 514 if I get a wild hair:D)

Originally posted by Cajun
) If anyone has some, or could point me in that direction, I'd appreciate it.


i was watching "desparodo" last night, with antonio banderas(sp?). like 2 minutes from the end.. good shot of the grey scout with some black flares.

:D

Originally posted by sceep


i was watching "desparodo" last night, with antonio banderas(sp?). like 2 minutes from the end.. good shot of the grey scout with some black flares.

:D

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/desperado/image2.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/desperado/image4.jpg
http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/desperado/image3.jpg

Man, I need to get some rips from the DVD instead of these old VHS caps..

Hey all, thanks for the comments. As far as the 38's are concerned, I think you shouldn't have any trouble getting them to fit with a little trimming. A 1" body lift may not be a bad idea to prevent from cutting much of the "A" bracket on the rocker panel. I'm not sure how much support that actually gives your windshield but I usually run with out the cowling and windshield frame anyway. (glass is expensive these days!) I do run a 60 up front and a 70 reaar that have been narrowed about 5 in. With a standard 3 1/2" offset wheel the 39.5's still rub the springs at full turn. I abuse the truck frequently so I can't seem to keep the bumpstops in it. I cant give you much advice on flares either as I can't seem to keep those on either...

Originally posted by slipscomb
buse the truck frequently so I can't seem to keep the bumpstops in it.

For bump stops, I'm running a Ford Escort Motor Mount. Looks like a "W" with short ears when you but it, cut the ears off to make a big "V", cut in half, two bump stops.

Steel and rubber. Stout.

I've jumped my Scout with a 700lbs 304 in the nose 10' in the air, landed, and didn't hurt the bump stops or the pan.

On a few other occasions, I did succeed in breaking the front axle in two, though.

As far as the hood scoop on my Scout, well, that's an interesting story. It's an original factory Ford part produced for the Torino during the 1970's. I found it lying in a ditch one night as I walked home from a party. Unfortunatly, it is apparently no longer available from Ford and is quite expensive if you locate one. I have heard around $300. It was quite popular for the mustangs and Bronco resto's so supplies are scarce. You might find one in a Ford restoration catalog. Good Luck...
Sean

Sean...been awhile, you find any motors yet??? Well if you need them, i can still get them...wish you had called me, i was looking for some axle shafts could have traded or somethin. Been abusin' my scout....still not as bad as you, snapped a inner, ujoint and stub at tellico, toasted a p/s pump there....then last weekend the rear yoke let go, but that was bad for a long time and really not my fault didn't even hit it on anything just old and snapped a winch line trying to pull a superduty, oh and plenty more of body damage, got my cage in also, but just need to get more tube to triangulate it and finish it off....it's changed alot since you were down here. Let me know how things are going...would like to make a trek up to disney and wheel that place.

patrick

Cajun

now your trolling all the boards :flipoff2:

If the 44044 are not mono leaf why not run Skyjacker 2 1/2"'or 4"? or am I missing something?

If you are going to do a body lift (on a Scout II it is almost a must) I would go no bigger than 2". Next time you are in town, check out mine and the front fender triming. I can also point out where else you may need to cut.

My plan is SOA on my lift springs, with 37 MT/R's. That is why I bought those travelall 44/60 combo. I looked at doublers but for 2K you just can't gp wrong with the world famos Klune-V.

Keep up post and keep that j&@p project on hold. Got to keep your priorites strait - Scouts first:D

Originally posted by jackasic


If the 44044 are not mono leaf why not run Skyjacker 2 1/2"'or 4"? or am I missing something?


Ya your missing it all!:rolleyes:

sorry thought they were something else, not I see they are waggie springs. I see them gaining 4" of lift though under a Scout w/ a big block.

I have Skyjackers that flex like mad and I have been compleatly happy. They aren't military warped, but iy does not look like the 44044 are either.

Here is a pick of the front flexing. I can hit 950, with a posi in the rear and open in the front. all I have id 2 1/2" SJ, 2" body. Price is nice on the 44044, but the build quality, reputation and lifetime warenty against saging are worth the extrat 50 clams to me. Plus it is rated for my rig, and not some cludge.

scout flex (http://63.111.90.8/forum/upload/attachment.php?s=&postid=108)

Originally posted by jackasic
sorry thought they were something else, not I see they are waggie springs. I see them gaining 4" of lift though under a Scout w/ a big block.

They have a 300 lb rate and are just fine under a scout. There 2.5" wide not the skinny ass 2". So I hope your running a 440/454/460 and not calling a IH 345/392 a big block!


Originally posted by jackasic

I have Skyjackers that flex like mad and I have been compleatly happy. They aren't military warped, but iy does not look like the 44044 are either.
44044 have a wrap on the frt end. I glad your happy with your skyjerkers, you will fit in fine on the Binder Bulletin!

Originally posted by jackasic

Here is a pick of the front flexing. I can hit 950, with a posi in the rear and open in the front. all I have id 2 1/2" SJ, 2" body. Price is nice on the 44044, but the build quality, reputation and lifetime warenty against saging are worth the extrat 50 clams to me. Plus it is rated for my rig, and not some cludge..

What the fawk does a limted grip have to do with a :rainbow: RTI score? Rancho springs have fewer problems than your SJ's! I'll take a 2.5" 6 leaf spring with teflon pads over a 2" five leaf spring anyday!

What the falk crawled up your ass? This post was going along fine then you got heated :shaking: what ever.

Originally posted by Old Scout

They have a 300 lb rate and are just fine under a scout. There 2.5" wide not the skinny ass 2". So I hope your running a 440/454/460 and not calling a IH 345/392 a big block!

Never said the wouldn't work under a Scout, just said that SK worked fine too. Not sure on the SJ spring rate, but I am QUITE happy with them.

As for your assertion that the extra half of an inch is of dire importance, I am not convince. Neither because you say it loudly, often, or you other buddies agree with you:flipoff2:

the big block I was referring to was Cajun desire to run a 460. As for the 345/392 they are of comparable mass, which is the important question for front ride height and spring perforance.

The IH motor is only a "big block" in mass, and a little size. It sure isn't in output :D I am happy with my 345, love the torque and am planning on upgrading to a Barry Grant Rock Demon over fuel injection, sneer if you want. I like the fun of keeping it quirky. If I want something that was new I would by a TJ, but that is not my style.

44044 have a wrap on the frt end. I glad your happy with your skyjerkers, you will fit in fine on the Binder Bulletin!

looks like just a half rap, not full military. Again, who cares? If you brake a spring, you have bigger issues to worry about. If I keep it stock size, getting a replacement is easy. Any yes, I am quite happy with my "skyjerkers", I glad your happy with your set up.

What, do real rigs only run coil-overs ... spare me:rolledeyes:

As for you BB digs. :flipoff2: I am not restoring a 63 travelall, I am going wheeling. Those guys are nice, but it is not what I am looking for.

What the fawk does a limted grip have to do with a RTI score? Rancho springs have fewer problems than your SJ's! I'll take a 2.5" 6 leaf spring with teflon pads over a 2" five leaf spring anyday!


It's called traction. I could get a 900 with stock set up and a 980 with a front locker. I assume you know how open diffs work since you are a "moderator":rolleyes:

Glad you like you Ranco's, I like my SJ. Each to there own. I never had a problem and have friends who are in the same boat.

"Hope you read this and it pisses you off" - Spin Doctors

hmmm... OS's in a mood :D


I got 44044's, still got them clamped and they flex pretty damn good.... need longer shocks ;)


not to pick a bone, but your one of the few that REALLY likes SJ'ers.... and this is the first time I have heard anyone tout SJ'ers customer service and "warrentee" as a selling point.... most people have the opposite to say. I'm happy to see at least someone has had good luck..



Course, 44044's ARE harder to instaull.... Requires all new, custom mounts. FYI, thy givbe ~ 1 - 2" of lift on a IH motored Scout II...





question, why do you say If you are going to do a body lift (on a Scout II it is almost a must) I would...???

I don't disagree (I'm a strong proponant of a 1" BL), just curious why you say "its almost a must"

i'll say he is, kind of got my dander up. think I am over it now.

sorry to hear that others have had bad luck. I have had two friends exchange springs because they were saging, with no problems. Overall I have been very happy with the build quality and performance. Year and a half later and they are doing great. they seem to be really flexy, guess everybody gets the wrong of the deal sometimes. There are a few companies I wount deal with any more, that I am sure other will swear by,

I'm keeping mine for my SOA so I can run 37's. seem like less to fab and buy if I do so. Probably will have to rig an anti-rap bar for the back though.

I like mild body lifts for a couple of reasons a) more tire up travel b) higher up when fording H2O. c) More rocker protection so there is lees to hang on and provides space to install rock sliders. With a body lift, it's put the bodom of the Scout to the same level as a stock j#$p.

Thanks for the imput.

Originally posted by jackasic
i'll say he is, kind of got my dander up. think I am over it now.

.

I guess My work isn't done. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by jackasic
It's called traction. I could get a 900 with stock set up and a 980 with a front locker. I assume you know how open diffs work since you are a "moderator":rolleyes: [/B] What the fawk does that mean. I'v ramped 1000 with my swaybar connected and in two wheel drive. Go work on your truck DAN!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jackasic

I'm keeping mine for my SOA so I can run 37's. seem like less to fab and buy if I do so. Probably will have to rig an anti-rap bar for the back though.


Keeping yours for your SOA so you can fit 37"s? So you are talking all this shit and aren't even SOA yet? How on earth can you have any experience to tell you one way or the other how your POS SJ's are going to work on top of the axle. Change yo name to JackassKick and go home Newbie!

Edit: forgot to add this... :flipoff2: :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

--JoshC

Here is my 44044...finally got it to flex...

Originally posted by jackasic

I have Skyjackers that flex like mad and I body. Price is nice on the 44044, but the build quality, reputation and lifetime warenty against saging are worth the extrat 50 clams to me. Plus it is rated for my rig, and not some cludge.



Ummm.. Skyjacker told me to send them more money for a custom add-a-leaf after I installed my brand new 4" lift springs..

Granted, they didn't sag one bit since the day I put 'em on.

But the point is they were supposed to be FOUR INCHES of lift, not TWO.

They never sagged.. just sucked from day 1.

They did flex well, and the rear springs may get reused - on top of the axle - yet.. but for now, stockers SOA seem to be working out MUCH better.

I shoulda bought Triangles.

Originally posted by jackasic

The IH motor is only a "big block" in mass, and a little size. It sure isn't in output :D


Oh REAAALLLY? So you're saying my 392 won't be able to keep up with a 429/390?

My 304 wasn't beaten too badly by a 396 in a drag race..


to worry about. If I keep it stock size, getting a replacement is easy. Any

Umm.. are you sure about replacements being easy?

Try finding a stock Scout II spring while in Moab... bzzztttt.

I used to have a bunch of spare stock springs.. but they're just not holding up.

Originally posted by jackasic

I'm keeping mine for my SOA so I can run 37's. seem like less to fab and buy if I do so. Probably will have to rig an anti-rap bar for the back though.


Do you really think a 2" lift + SOA +body will clear the 37s?

Well, if you like 12" tall bump stops, I guess.. :flipoff2:


up when fording H2O. c) More rocker protection so there is lees to hang on and provides space to install rock sliders. With a body lift, it's put the bodom of the Scout to the same level as a stock j#$p.


On MY Scouts, the rocker is even with the frame with shot body mounts and bushings - no body lift.

I've always slid on the frame instead of the rocker when I lack the break-over clearance.

Now that I've said that, I guess I'm going to fall off a rock and smash the rocker Saturday.. :D

Originally posted by jackasic
i'll say he is, kind of got my dander up. think I am over it now.

I'm keeping mine for my SOA so I can run 37's. seem like less to fab and buy if I do so. Probably will have to rig an anti-rap bar for the back though.

You have a heck of a lot of fabbing to do to fit 37's. SOA or otherwise.



I like mild body lifts for a couple of reasons a) more tire up travel b) higher up when fording H2O. c) More rocker protection so there is lees to hang on and provides space to install rock sliders. With a body lift, it's put the bodom of the Scout to the same level as a stock j#$p.

Thanks for the imput.

Hmm, you are fording deep water and are worried about getting your feet wet? Only thing a body lift keeps dry are your feet. The important things stay at the same height and body lifts won't help that at all.

You scored a 980 with a SUA suspension on a 20 degree ramp? That is quite an accomplishment.

Originally posted by Hooper


You scored a 980 with a SUA suspension on a 20 degree ramp? That is quite an accomplishment. [/B]

I'm betting BULLSHIET!

Originally posted by Scout Dude
Here is my 44044...finally got it to flex...

What is it with 44044's and clamps. No one seems to want to pull the clamps on these springs....

Originally posted by Old Scout


I'm betting BULLSHIET!

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt... but I've not seen it before, and it would be the best SUA score I have ever heard of, and we all know I am a ramp queen... :D

Originally posted by Old Scout


I'm betting BULLSHIET!

He's probably running stock tires. :eek:

Originally posted by Hooper


What is it with 44044's and clamps. No one seems to want to pull the clamps on these springs....


why, they seem to work quite well with them on..... :D


actually, a *may* open them up.... got to fix the shocks first.. and build new frame.... and tub ;)

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite



why, they seem to work quite well with them on..... :D


actually, a *may* open them up.... got to fix the shocks first.. and build new frame.... and tub ;)

Sure. And a stock scout works *well*, but they could work so much better with just a little tweaking.....

Wow, quite an entrance Reverend. You managed to get just about everyone riled up in your first few posts, quite an accomplishment.:D

BTW, I really got a kick out of the guy who registered in MAY using "DAN" as a putdown.:laughing:

Originally posted by Cajun
BTW, I really got a kick out of the guy who registered in MAY using "DAN" as a putdown.:laughing:

There is a big difference between a newbie and a Dumb Ass Newbie! :rolleyes:

Perhaps Mike should have used DFN? ;)

Originally posted by Cajun
Wow, quite an entrance Reverend. You managed to get just about everyone riled up in your first few posts, quite an accomplishment.:D

BTW, I really got a kick out of the guy who registered in MAY using "DAN" as a putdown.:laughing:

Who is riled up? We are just all blown away with the 980 rti score on a SUA Scout.

Keeping yours for your SOA so you can fit 37"s? So you are talking all this shit and aren't even SOA yet? How on earth can you have any experience to tell you one way or the other how your POS SJ's are going to work on top of the axle. Change yo name to JackassKick and go home Newbie!

Boy tough croud tonight. Expericae comes from wheeling, not posting on POR:flipoff2:

Placec I've with my POS SUA scout: Las Cruces, Gilmer Texas, Farmington, Fort Houd Texas, Clayton Ok (twice - way cool can't wait for october traillfest), Devils den, Ciblo creek, and a couple of spots I can't remeber.

Did I do the hardest water falls out there ... no. will I some day... yes. Expericae is gained by seat time not living vicariously throug other on the internet:flipoff2:

BTW, I am useing the time honored Tom Mandera post padding technique. thanks tom;)

Scout Dude. Love the inverted springs:eek:

tom sorry you got honked by SJ, same thing haped to my friends 4: triangles. saged to 2 1/2" in the front.

If the product did not perform as adverrtized, I would have made them fix it for free or called my credit card company. sorry to here you got the shaft

Originally posted by jackasic


Boy tough croud tonight. Expericae comes from wheeling, not posting on POR:flipoff2:

:flipoff2:

http://pics.montypics.com/JoshC/2002-08-21/dscn0637.jpg

Go get some "expericae" of your own!

Oh REAAALLLY? So you're saying my 392 won't be able to keep up with a 429/390?

Not saying they can't make power, but my experiance is that they are built more for low in torque. If you mod it, you can get to where you want. I am shooting for the magical 300 hp on mine.

todate it has a Comp cam, motor is rebuilt, Stan's headers, 3" mandrel bent exhast with a single 3" flowmaster.

I think with some head work, a square bore manifold and a little more compresion, I shopuld be able to get there.

Umm.. are you sure about replacements being easy?

By replacements I me that I still have my stock springs and I wheel with a lot of guy who have spares. Admittadly not as easy as a J#$p or cheby, but that is what I like about them. Quite eclectic. If I wanted to be like everyone else, I would have bought a TJ like all the other azz :clown:

nice pic, is that in the parking lot:rolleyes: J/K looks good. like the one ton axles.

thought of going front 60/corp 14 w/ hummer wheels, but don't want to sink that kind of money(there is a limit to these things). friend of mine is doing it on a FJ. Looks sweet.

start of a trail in Cruces

Looking at your picture you provided the link to earlier, is that a 14" shackle up front or are you running some kind of scissor shackle?

Just wondering cuz that thing looks huge?:D

Originally posted by jackasic
nice pic, is that in the parking lot:rolleyes: J/K looks good. like the one ton axles.

thought of going front 60/corp 14 w/ hummer wheels, but don't want to sink that kind of money(there is a limit to these things). friend of mine is doing it on a FJ. Looks sweet.

start of a trail in Cruces

Nice cage :rolleyes: I'd stop fawk'n around with suspension and add a cage. I did not pull the top on mine until the cage was complete.

Originally posted by jackasic


Boy tough croud tonight. Expericae comes from wheeling, not posting on POR:flipoff2:

Placec I've with my POS SUA scout: Las Cruces, Gilmer Texas, Farmington, Fort Houd Texas, Clayton Ok (twice - way cool can't wait for october traillfest), Devils den, Ciblo creek, and a couple of spots I can't remeber.


Ahh, yes, and I have been to Microsoft, but that does not make me Bill Gates.

Ramp scores and ticket stubs don't mean much here.

Seat time? Some folks are fast learners. Some are slow learners. Some have natural talent. Some belong on a petri dish in a lab. Only way to know who wheels well and who is just talking is to hit the trails with them. Short of that, it is all talk, regardless what your boarding pass says.

This is not POR. This is the Pirate Board. And, I don't come here to wheel. I come here to talk tech and learn.

Tonight is not a tough crowd. Folks have been going easy on you. Should have been here a while back. It was brutal. Newbies would come in, and then limp back out with half a backside and no legs, just for being newbies, and without them uttering a peep.... Heck, this thread has been downright FRIENDLY.

Just don't overbill Skyjacker springs and SUA suspension systems. Nothing personal, everyone has to start somewhere, and I am not as built as most folks on this board, but my rig gets the job done pretty well. I don't know of any SUA rigs around here that can handle some of the local trails we have been running, 980 rti score and skyjacker springs notwithstanding.

Now, Tom seems to do well with his, but he did a lot of cutting to fit bigger tires so he picked up some ground clearance that 33's or 35's just don't offer.

Originally posted by jackasic
Scout Dude. Love the inverted springs:eek:

He has a little negative arch, but those are new springs and still clamped. He breaks em in, pulls the clamps, and then they will really start flexing.

Originally posted by Neps
Looking at your picture you provided the link to earlier, is that a 14" shackle up front or are you running some kind of scissor shackle?

Just wondering cuz that thing looks huge?:D

Thanks Neps. That's what all the girls say! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by jackasic
nice pic, is that in the parking lot:rolleyes: J/K looks good. like the one ton axles.


Nope. Even though that's another thing people are all hyped up about, it's a lil ol 44 up front.

As soon as the whole Mog Portal thing get's going and people are selling their 60's for a hundred bucks... :D

thanks for the imput. I ment tough crown kind of tounge and cheak. I have seen soom of the posts before. Thanks for corecting me on the pirate goof.

The thinks that kept me from going gonzo from the start were (in vauge order) experiance, money, time, interest (too many hobbies).

I just saw the SUA and SJ a a starting point. good place to get my feet wet but not the end all be all of set ups. I do like the SJ springs though, I may change my mind at things increase. The thing I liked about the SUA, is that it was a good mix of things. I could drive it to Clayton at 75 or 80 and still run 3 Stage. Admitadly the 4 wheel drums suck:rolleyes: . the height was nice, and the streat maners were ... how should we say ... manageable.

The 980 was obtainale with the set up (now front shock probably doest hurt), had to do a little trimins so that the tires could come all the way up. what have you guys seen in the past?. Bone stock it was in the mid 800's. are we talking two different ramps angles?

I actuly bought a 69 with a 304 that I was going to build and keep this one "stock", but now it is for sale and the 73 has moved to trail status

Originally posted by JoshC


Nope. Even though that's another thing people are all hyped up about, it's a lil ol 44 up front.

As soon as the whole Mog Portal thing get's going and people are selling their 60's for a hundred bucks... :D

did you conver the outers or is it a chevy 3/4?

I think that is what Cajun is doing on another rig (Mog axles), I will have to wait and blow up the front 44. Looking at going to grad school in a year, so this set up is to get meby for the next 3 years. then I can go crazy.

I'm a little confused. You just posted this picture of the start of Las Cruces

http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/jackasicfront.jpg

And earlier you said this was your rig

http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/jackasicside.jpg

The first picture is topless and no roll bar. The second has the top, and the roll bar.

Did you put a roll bar in and add the top. Or did you take the top and roll bar out?

If you are wheeling without even a middle hoop on the trails you have been talking about, you need to reexamine your priorities. Bragging rights come after safety in my book.

I figure you must have taken the top off so you could put the roll bar in, and then you put the top back on?

Originally posted by Neps
Looking at your picture you provided the link to earlier, is that a 14" shackle up front or are you running some kind of scissor shackle?

Just wondering cuz that thing looks huge?:D

thanks for the insite dad:flipoff2: Do you realy think that single sheat top will do anything in a roll over. Best protection is prevention, no off camber or heavy foot.

Now I am sportin a roll bar, but will probably go to Dalls this winter for a full cage.

Glad to know you care. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by jackasic
thanks for the imput. I ment tough crown kind of tounge and cheak. I have seen soom of the posts before. Thanks for corecting me on the pirate goof.

The thinks that kept me from going gonzo from the start were (in vauge order) experiance, money, time, interest (too many hobbies).

I just saw the SUA and SJ a a starting point. good place to get my feet wet but not the end all be all of set ups. I do like the SJ springs though, I may change my mind at things increase. The thing I liked about the SUA, is that it was a good mix of things. I could drive it to Clayton at 75 or 80 and still run 3 Stage. Admitadly the 4 wheel drums suck:rolleyes: . the height was nice, and the streat maners were ... how should we say ... manageable.

The 980 was obtainale with the set up (now front shock probably doest hurt), had to do a little trimins so that the tires could come all the way up. what have you guys seen in the past?. Bone stock it was in the mid 800's. are we talking two different ramps angles?

I actuly bought a 69 with a 304 that I was going to build and keep this one "stock", but now it is for sale and the 73 has moved to trail status

Average score at roundup for the past three years with stock scouts has been in the mid 600's. With lift springs, up to 750 or so on a 20 degree ramp. Last year, 3 rigs with 2" lift springs, SOA conversions and 35's only got into the low 9's. But, anything is possible.

I run my soa at 70+. I don't do it for long stretches, wrong gearing for that kind of thing, but the suspension doesn't care. It handles just fine. In fact, it tracks better now than it did SUA because I built caster into it. I get more body roll, but it is not a porsche, so I don't corner at 60.

Again, SUA works. Just kills your axle clearances and I don't think it flexes as well as SOA, but that is just personal opinion.

Originally posted by Hooper
I'm a little confused. You just posted this picture of the start of Las Cruces

http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/jackasicfront.jpg

And earlier you said this was your rig

http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/jackasicside.jpg

The first picture is topless and no roll bar. The second has the top, and the roll bar.

Did you put a roll bar in and add the top. Or did you take the top and roll bar out?

If you are wheeling without even a middle hoop on the trails you have been talking about, you need to reexamine your priorities. Bragging rights come after safety in my book.

I figure you must have taken the top off so you could put the roll bar in, and then you put the top back on?

same rig different times. The uper is from cruces in may 2001. the lower is from Ciblo creek In SAn Antonio Texas in febuary of this year. Post the secound pic to sho flex.

The canges between the two a) borred 33 thorn turds now running 33 MT/R's, B) roll bar C) strait scout then dents galor from Clayton D) falking cold in the secound pic, for the first drove topless (the scout, not me :D) 12 hours out to cruces wheeled for a couple of days, headed home in the rain and cold ... still a load of fun.

Originally posted by jackasic


thanks for the insite dad:flipoff2: Do you realy think that single sheat top will do anything in a roll over. Best protection is prevention, no off camber or heavy foot.

Now I am sportin a roll bar, but will probably go to Dalls this winter for a full cage.

Glad to know you care. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

I know I am beating a dead horse here, but what do you mean by no camber. What kind of trails don't have camber? Desert racing maybe?

Originally posted by jackasic


same rig different times. The uper is from cruces in may 2001. the lower is from Ciblo creek In SAn Antonio Texas in febuary of this year. Post the secound pic to sho flex.

The canges between the two a) borred 33 thorn turds now running 33 MT/R's, B) roll bar C) strait scout then dents galor from Clayton D) falking cold in the secound pic, for the first drove topless (the scout, not me :D) 12 hours out to cruces wheeled for a couple of days, headed home in the rain and cold ... still a load of fun.

You did Las Cruces with Thornturds? Guess it is pretty much paved these days...

Originally posted by Neps
Looking at your picture you provided the link to earlier, is that a 14" shackle up front or are you running some kind of scissor shackle?

Just wondering cuz that thing looks huge?:D

No those are Scout Maddness replacements. I think that they are 1/2" longer than stock, if that much. That is prety much full droop, probaly why they look so long.

Originally posted by Hooper


I know I am beating a dead horse here, but what do you mean by no camber. What kind of trails don't have camber? Desert racing maybe?

Off camber or trails around the side of a hill. ones that pich you over, cause you to clentch, and give you that feeling you are going to slide off into oblivian.

Originally posted by Hooper


Average score at roundup for the past three years with stock scouts has been in the mid 600's. With lift springs, up to 750 or so on a 20 degree ramp. Last year, 3 rigs with 2" lift springs, SOA conversions and 35's only got into the low 9's. But, anything is possible.

I run my soa at 70+. I don't do it for long stretches, wrong gearing for that kind of thing, but the suspension doesn't care. It handles just fine. In fact, it tracks better now than it did SUA because I built caster into it. I get more body roll, but it is not a porsche, so I don't corner at 60.

Again, SUA works. Just kills your axle clearances and I don't think it flexes as well as SOA, but that is just personal opinion.

it was on our club 20 degree. Before the locker it was 880 or 900 at Clayton Memoriady Trail fest. have the sheet and pic some where.

i guess I will just have to post a pic when a find a ranp to stop the haters. Could be I am a crack head, never know. Most of the guys I know are in that range, some are way over. Thanks for the heads up though.

I got to go back in 98'(pre scout - was in the looking stage), that was a lot of fun and I would like to make it next year. I was up at Salida for the summer quarterly and we drove up for a day to see the happenings.

Originally posted by jackasic
Scout Dude. Love the inverted springs:eek:

Let's see, ...the title is 44044's..I post a pic of one flexing..and as Hooper mentioned...it is fairly new...and you come back with that..nice.:rolleyes:

Why don't you haed out this way..and we will show you what real wheeling is?

Originally posted by Cajun
Wow, quite an entrance Reverend. You managed to get just about everyone riled up in your first few posts, quite an accomplishment.:D

BTW, I really got a kick out of the guy who registered in MAY using "DAN" as a putdown.:laughing:

That for the support :rolleyes: . I guess if I was going to make an entrance I'd hit everyone's hot buttons.

Had an old profile but I guess it is gone. Glad to see you are on the same post pace as TAMOR. How are things coming along?

Originally posted by Scout Dude


Let's see, ...the title is 44044's..I post a pic of one flexing..and as Hooper mentioned...it is fairly new...and you come back with that..nice.:rolleyes:

Why don't you haed out this way..and we will show you what real wheeling is?

boy sombody can't take a complement:flipoff2: Not get enough love as a kid?

where you at ... CO?, I see if I can fit you into my busy schedual. all BS aside, like the pic. Always good to see 80/800s on the trail.

Things are coming along slowly but surely. Shopping for spring prices, negotiating with various parties about engines, trannys, and t-cases, trying to track down 12 bolt hummer wheels, and trying to score some free sandblasting.

If you've seen my updates on TAMOR, I'm into the front 60. I want to go 35 spline outers, and I'm trying to figure out the best and most cost effective way to do it. My understanding is that to do this on my flavor of Ford 60, I need to use Chevy spindles and hubs in order to use the off-the-shelf 35 spline D70 stubs. I'd appreciate some insight and/or advice from those who have experience with this.

BTW, you still want those hubcaps?:D

Originally posted by Cajun
BTW, you still want those hubcaps?:D

Sure, those would look pimp with some bead locks:D . when are you coming to town next? did nutz buy those axels?

Originally posted by tsm1mt


Do you really think a 2" lift + SOA +body will clear the 37s?

Well, if you like 12" tall bump stops, I guess.. :flipoff2:

well .. i clear 33's with the the current SUA set up, with a SOA, that gains me ... what 5 to 6 inches. That will get close, but I am sure "some" moding is nessasary. may need to re tub the refenders.



On MY Scouts, the rocker is even with the frame with shot body mounts and bushings - no body lift.

I've always slid on the frame instead of the rocker when I lack the break-over clearance.

Now that I've said that, I guess I'm going to fall off a rock and smash the rocker Saturday.. :D

That what I did with a body lift. tweked the tub so that there is now a extran 1/4 of an inch between the door and the strikes. Just seems to make mounting rocker protection/rock sliders easyer. that way they have a little exposed frome to stick out from.

Scout Dude,

You don't see tie-rods mounted aft of the spindle very often, how do you like that setup and does it clear the rear of the diff easily?
Any advantages (besides damage control) to doing it that way.

Thanks, Lama

Well, I am using 4in Skyjackers spring with my SOA on Dual60's & 38's. These havent sagged & I bought them used. Ill be sure to post what my results are, I havent yet finished the damn thing! Supporting the FAMILY while wifey goes to school & working from sunup to wellpast sundown doesnt afford much time

Originally posted by jackasic


did you conver the outers or is it a chevy 3/4?



Half right. It is 3/4 ton, but it's a Dodge front end.

Cajun, where in Louisiana are you located? I am in Opelousas, La. Jared

Originally posted by Cajun
Wow, quite an entrance Reverend. You managed to get just about everyone riled up in your first few posts, quite an accomplishment.:D

BTW, I really got a kick out of the guy who registered in MAY using "DAN" as a putdown.:laughing: I hear ya waterboy.

Originally posted by jackasic


Off camber or trails around the side of a hill. ones that pich you over, cause you to clentch, and give you that feeling you are going to slide off into oblivian.

I know what off camber is. What I meant by my question, is how much fun is a trail that has no off camber spots??

Originally posted by Scout Dude


Let's see, ...the title is 44044's..I post a pic of one flexing..and as Hooper mentioned...it is fairly new...and you come back with that..nice.:rolleyes:

Why don't you haed out this way..and we will show you what real wheeling is?

Nice shot!! That is sweet movement on that axle!!

For the love of all, please someone kill this fawk'n car wreck of a thread.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program :p

Originally posted by jackasic


BTW, I am useing the time honored Tom Mandera post padding technique. thanks tom;)

Who's padding? It took me a while to scroll through this whole crazy mess and replied to posts as I needed to.

I figured you guys would have thrown a few posts in between mine, but you slackers must've been wrenching on your rigs or something...

-Tom <-- finally got my Scout out of the garage again and drove it to work.. just in time to break it Saturday..

Originally posted by jackasic


Not saying they can't make power, but my experiance is that they are built more for low in torque. If you mod it, you can get to where you want. I am shooting for the magical 300 hp on mine.


I'm more interested in low end torque than HP.. though I have a 304 that should have 300hp beat by a long shot. Crank output should be closer to 400/400 than 300/300. :)

Bummed the dyno guy didn't show up at RMIHR - that was one of the reasons the racer came and not something else - to dyno it.

But for my 392.. I'm more interested in the estimated 420lbs-ft than the 325hp. ;)

Originally posted by jackasic


well .. i clear 33's with the the current SUA set up, with a SOA, that gains me ... what 5 to 6 inches. That will get close, but I am sure "some" moding is nessasary. may need to re tub the refenders.


If the Skyjackers really flex as well as you say they do, how is putting them on top of the axle suddenly going to make the wheel wells big enough for 37s?

If they're that flexy, you'll still stuff the axle/tires up until you hit the bump stops or enough sheetmetal to stop wheel travel.

I could see if you put 1T springs on and the thing didn't flex.. but if it's flexy, they'll rub.

Which is why I opted to keep the SUA for a while, and bought the 36s instead and broke out the Sawzall.

The 36s will still fit after I do the SOA on the front.

Originally posted by Lama
Scout Dude,

You don't see tie-rods mounted aft of the spindle very often, how do you like that setup and does it clear the rear of the diff easily?
Any advantages (besides damage control) to doing it that way.

Thanks, Lama

It has all the advantages in the world:D ...

It's easy to set up...just point one are backwards..and the otherside (Pass) needs to be mirrored to fit the draglink on the front.

My buddy just bent his Rockstomper tierod:eek: ..while, it's not bad...everything bends/breaks, etc..best way to prevent it is to avoid it altogether.

My axle is a custom HP 60..and I still have 1/4" clearance at the lowest point between the housing and TR...I don't know how a stock axle would work...although, my pinion is pointed up at a pretty good distance.

-SD

Originally posted by tsm1mt


I'm more interested in low end torque than HP.. though I have a 304 that should have 300hp beat by a long shot. Crank output should be closer to 400/400 than 300/300. :)

Bummed the dyno guy didn't show up at RMIHR - that was one of the reasons the racer came and not something else - to dyno it.

But for my 392.. I'm more interested in the estimated 420lbs-ft than the 325hp. ;)

I am with you on that (torque vs. hp) Since the two are interelated and HP is what most people scale by, that is why I said 300 hp. By not changing the basic diminsions, I expect the torque to rise as well. Should keep it dow low and useable where it os now.

I love the off idle torque of the 345 and i want to keep it. Just want to increase it, thats all. But I don't want to change it so much that it is not street able (I like to drive place, not trailer). Hence the mild cam and minor motor work.

Are you using Gryhin for your motor work? I thought I read a while back that he built you motor for you "tough truck" entry.

If I stuble across a 392, I might go that way. Right now, the 345 only has 10 to 12k on it, and I see no need to replace it.

Originally posted by tsm1mt


If the Skyjackers really flex as well as you say they do, how is putting them on top of the axle suddenly going to make the wheel wells big enough for 37s?

If they're that flexy, you'll still stuff the axle/tires up until you hit the bump stops or enough sheetmetal to stop wheel travel.

I could see if you put 1T springs on and the thing didn't flex.. but if it's flexy, they'll rub.

Which is why I opted to keep the SUA for a while, and bought the 36s instead and broke out the Sawzall.

The 36s will still fit after I do the SOA on the front.

They clear front to rear with out some "trimming":rolleyes: . That was more a referance on up travel since I sould gain 5 to 6 inces of hieght and the tire will only be 2 1/2" taller avoe the rim.

Also not going to reverse shackle so there will be less clearence prolems in the front. For the rear, i might have to tub the fender wells to make them fit right. I have a friend with a SOA and 35. that fits just fine.

I would run 36's if Goodyear made tem, bu the only choices are 35 or 37. since they are the same price (actualy the last time I looked 37 were cheeper - 155 a tire) might as well go large:D

Originally posted by tsm1mt


Who's padding? It took me a while to scroll through this whole crazy mess and replied to posts as I needed to.

I figured you guys would have thrown a few posts in between mine, but you slackers must've been wrenching on your rigs or something...

-Tom <-- finally got my Scout out of the garage again and drove it to work.. just in time to break it Saturday..

just razing you. I have seen you a few forums, was just kind of commenting or multiple responces to a single post.

Almost like this:D ... should have seperated it in to two.

Originally posted by jackasic


I am with you on that (torque vs. hp) Since the two are interelated and HP is what most people scale by, that is why I said 300 hp. By not changing the basic diminsions, I expect the torque to rise as well. Should keep it dow low and useable where it os now.


But a motor that'll do higher RPM and torque at a higher RPM makes higher HP since HP is calc'd against torque.

t, thats all. But I don't want to change it so much that it is not street able (I like to drive place, not trailer). Hence the

Looks like I'm driving mine 40 miles to the trail head tomorrow.. since the tow-rig is still giving me the :flipoff2: on the front brakes.

I've been trying to trailer it more lately - it makes the bias unbalanced Swampers ride smoother.. on the last run I lost my brakes, and the run before I broke a rear axle. I towed it home w/ the broken axle, but had to drive home w/o brakes..


Are you using Gryhin for your motor work? I thought I read a while back that he built you motor for you "tough truck" entry.


Gryphin Racing does a lot of my motor work. Comer built the 304C in my race Scout.

He also provided the cam, lifters, valve springs and misc other parts for both the 345 in my trail rig, and for the 392 I'm building for the tow rig.

If he were closer, he'd be doing more. :)

since I sould gain 5 to 6 inces of hieght and the tire will only be 2 1/2" taller avoe the rim.


Right, which means wherever the top of your tire is at "full stuff" (bump stop touching the axle tube) your tire will be only 2.5" higher.

My 33s w/ 4" Skyjackers rubbed the wheel arch up front, and the rear of the rear wheel well in back before it would hit the bump stops.

So imagine just 1.5" higher from that (with my 36s), and it rubs just that much sooner.

Which is why I cut 3" out of the front fenders. :D Still have too much uptravel.


Also not going to reverse shackle so there will be less clearence prolems in the front. For the rear, i might have to


I've been cutting the A-pillar/rocker back to the firewall more and more after each run. The 36s, with a 4" Skyjacker and forward shackle, keep rubbing on the front end of the rocker. So I keep cutting.

right. I have a friend with a SOA and 35. that fits just fine.


I bet his shocks are too long and they're limiting his up-travel. He's not making full use of his suspension.

I would run 36's if Goodyear made tem, bu the only choices are 35 or 37. since they are the same price (actualy the last time I looked 37 were cheeper - 155 a tire) might as well go large


We're going to have a stock Bronco on 33s and a Blazer on 35" MT/Rs tomorrow. We'll see how these MT/Rs compare with what everyone else has been running - Buckshots and Swampers.

Besides, I can't buy MT/Rs now even if I wanted to - it'd be like buying a Jeep. I'd just become another sheeple.

I'd be surprised to see 35's *fit just fine* on a rig that flexes. These are lil ol 33's and they are pretty close. Add another inch and a half to this... and

http://www.ihssii.org/Hooper/Images-Recent/FliftFrontPassengerTire.jpg



http://www.nwbinders.net/Trails/LakeIsabelle/LakeIsabelleJune2002/RoomForMore.JPG

Originally posted by Hooper
I'd be surprised to see 35's *fit just fine* on a rig that flexes. These are lil ol 33's and they are pretty close. Add another inch and a half to this... and



And to think, you're cheating and running a 2" body lift, too! Imagine what it'd be like w/o the body lift..

Originally posted by tsm1mt


And to think, you're cheating and running a 2" body lift, too! Imagine what it'd be like w/o the body lift..

Remember those beautiful mudders you bought a couple years ago. You took them out on the trail, and your fenders *siped* them for you? ;)

Originally posted by Hooper


Remember those beautiful mudders you bought a couple years ago. You took them out on the trail, and your fenders *siped* them for you? ;)

Yeah, I remember.

That WAS a rhetorical question, y'know. :D

Originally posted by tsm1mt


Yeah, I remember.

That WAS a rhetorical question, y'know. :D

Ooops. Sorry to dredge up a bad memory ;)

Originally posted by Hooper
I'd be surprised to see 35's *fit just fine* on a rig that flexes. These are lil ol 33's and they are pretty close

here is a pic and a link. Tom may be right on the shocks, I was not involed is his set up.



and
http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/brune/gilmer2/2gilmer23.jpg

and here is a pic with my 33" MT/R's. he borrowed them for the day.
http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/brune/alto2/2alto9.jpg

his wheel'n site. There are a couple of run with mine in there. can see it from 31" and 2" body up to it's current state.
jimmy's wheel'n trips (http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/brune/cars.html)

Originally posted by tsm1mt
We're going to have a stock Bronco on 33s and a Blazer on 35" MT/Rs tomorrow. We'll see how these MT/Rs compare with what everyone else has been running - Buckshots and Swampers.

Besides, I can't buy MT/Rs now even if I wanted to - it'd be like buying a Jeep. I'd just become another sheeple.

Did not relize that they were that popular. I always thought of Swampers as the sheep item. General quote "Need to get ya sum of dem der superswampers, that the only real tare, dose rad-dials are junk". :rolledeyes: I was looking for something I could drive on the street (50K life as opposed to SS 20K) that would still work off-road.

I got mine a year and a half ago and at the time not too many people around here had them. I had a friend (guy witht he D90 on Jimmy's site) who had them and the seemed to work quite well.

You should give them a try. i am still lost as to why people still run Buckshots. They have not flex (i.e. traction) but at least they wear out fast:rolleyes:. I understand SS are strong, but I have yet to tear a MT/R and I run them at 10 psi. Sometimes the crowd might have the right idea, even if it is for the wrong reasons. just my .02$

Originally posted by jackasic


You should give them a try. i am still lost as to why people still run Buckshots. They have not flex (i.e. traction) but at least they wear out fast:rolleyes:. I understand SS are strong, but I have yet to tear a MT/R and I run them at 10 psi. Sometimes the crowd might have the right idea, even if it is for the wrong reasons. just my .02$

We seem to get the Buckshots to flex well enough - club members have run all over Moab with 'em with good results.

Traction is great - most of 'em don't bother to air down or even lock the front hubs half the time. ;)

Originally posted by tsm1mt


We seem to get the Buckshots to flex well enough - club members have run all over Moab with 'em with good results.

Traction is great - most of 'em don't bother to air down or even lock the front hubs half the time. ;)

You may be right. Maybe the guys I have seen are just not airing down enough.

Love the sarcasim;) Did you get those MT/R mounted up? Give a try at 10 psi and tell me what you think.