Please bear with me (thinking aloud here)

I witnessed an interesting event take place a few weeks ago. My brother and I were bored and decided to stop by a paintball field that was close by and see what it was all about. The field was packed with players that mostly consisted of teenagers, kids, and the dads of the smaller kids that were there. There was a group however that stuck out like a sore thumb. It was a group of 7 Sheriff’s Deputy S.W.A.T. members who were there for a team building event.

I looked at my brother and said, “These deputies are going to destroy these kids considering they have top notch SWAT training, these guys are sandbaggers.” My brother looks at me and says, “Don’t be so sure about that.” Hmm…

Now, the field we were at had an open terrain course (military type scenario), an abandoned building, and a speedball course (all those blown up obstacles). To make a long story short, the deputies attempted to take on 6 teenagers vs. their 7 man team. The field had bleachers at all courses. My brother and I watched these 6 kids beat the every living shit out of the SWAT team members at all three courses on multiple matches. It wasn’t even close. The deputies were out in minutes in most cases.

These kids communicated well, provided cover for each other, executed maneuvers, identified threats, etc. It seems they had very well planned out methods. I thought to myself, I would not want to go against these kids if they all had EBR’s in a SHTF scenario. I can’t imagine what kind of damage the world champion PB players could do with real weapons if necessary.

Watching this raised a few questions for me:

Is LE training really that shitty, or just this LE team?

Or more importantly, are these paintballer kids just that good?

Is training in this type of environment a good way of honing your skills for SHTF?

Are you guys doing anything to prepare, or just going to wing it against the forces that be?

What other factors, negative or positive, would go along with this type of training?


I have been a firearm enthusiast most of my life; however, have zero formal training for tactical type situations. I would love to become prepared. I happen to believe along the lines that in a SHTF environment, you are a dead man alone. It would be nice to train with a team. What are your thoughts?

played for almost 14 years. some in the woods and military scenario stuff but mostly semi-pro speed ball (stuff on tv) on air bunkers and turf. Lots of fun and definitely builds some triaining/teamwork in.

played for almost 14 years. some in the woods and military scenario stuff but mostly semi-pro speed ball (stuff on tv) on air bunkers and turf. Lots of fun and definitely builds some triaining/teamwork in.

Nice. How do you think the skills you learned playing PB fair up to that of military or law enforcement? Similar, superior, inferior, different? In a SHTF scenario, would you employ what you have learned playing PB. I.E. against the new gestapo?:flipoff2:

Playing paintball I noticed one thing. When it was time to pick the teams, the kids just looked at the marker you had and teams got chosen in order of the highest price tag. Didn't matter who was holding it. Never played where equipment was anything close to a standard.

I also learned that I am screwed in a big way if I ever have to defend myself against armed 12 year olds. :laughing:

I owned and operated Reactive Paintball for a few years and we got a lot of military and police force types and team building events. All I can say is that they tended to lose most of the games against the kids/regulars/pro players who really work as a team and communicate with each other.

You certainly learn covert tactics, communication, use of cover and acquire a different sense of awareness from it all.

There is a big difference between lead and paint though. The types of cover that are used in paintball, bullets would go right through so...

Is LE training really that shitty, or just this LE team?

Or more importantly, are these paintballer kids just that good?



I think the LE team was out of their element. There was no door to kick down and the element of suprise was not on their side.

I bet the team of kids have been playing on this field for some time and know the amount of steps between cover, can tell exactly what cover you are behind by the sound of your gun, etc.

I think my brother has more money invested in painball gear (communications, gun, air tank, etc) than most people on this site have in their wheeler. I bet the LEO's were using rentals... depending on the field the rentals usually don't shoot straight, and they are slow. Gear might have been against them as well.

It is definately a good way to learn how to operate as a team, identify targets, speed up reaction time, etc....

equipment makes a difference, but tactics should be the same. If a field maintains their rentals and keeps games fair and teams even it works out pretty well.

There is a big difference between lead and paint though. The types of cover that are used in paintball, bullets would go right through so...

Good point. I wonder if that could be overcome by setting up paper type barriers (almost like a paper target on wood posts) to represent non-solid cover, ie. bushes etc. I wonder if paintballs would not splat on thin paper and hit the target behind.

I also learned that I am screwed in a big way if I ever have to defend myself against armed 12 year olds. :laughing:

:laughing: That's no joke. The few times I have played, I realized this very quickly. Those little bastards are fast! :D

:laughing: That's no joke. The few times I have played, I realized this very quickly. Those little bastards are fast! :D


And they have a smaller sillouette:laughing:

Go straight thru paper or cardboard. 290 fps is pretty fast so they penetrate some clothing even.

Our ROTC dept uses it for training, but they couldnt hit the broad side of a barn if they tried.

Go straight thru paper or cardboard. 290 fps is pretty fast so they penetrate some clothing even.

Good to know.

So what kind of investment, dollar wise, am I looking at for a decent setup? I don't want a POS, but I don't need an electronic triggered, computerized gun either. Want to get as close to a real weapon as possible in terms of functionality. ie. semi-auto, realistic trigger pull, etc.

Thanks for the help.

What about the higher-end air soft?

People play that too, more realistic weapons it seems??? I dunno much about pb or as but AS always looked more realistic ??? Mags to change, semi, full auto, metal, etc?

I played for a long time too, it's good for getting someone into a tactical frame of mind. The problem is a real firefight would most likely be nothing like a paintball fight, paintball is pretty damn close quarters, and even the most accurate paintball gun is nowhere near as accurate as most firearms. It's a fun game but...i wouldnt say it's a good for training someone for a real firefight.

Bad habit from paintballing:

A plywood wall is not "cover"

Good to know.

So what kind of investment, dollar wise, am I looking at for a decent setup? I don't want a POS, but I don't need an electronic triggered, computerized gun either. Want to get as close to a real weapon as possible in terms of functionality. ie. semi-auto, realistic trigger pull, etc.

Thanks for the help.

Tippmann A5. designed like a rifle. Interchangeable stocks, barrels etc.

To answer your original question Yes and No.

Yes, paintball can be good training in tactics and manuevers.
No, it won't prepare a soldier for battle and definitely not an individual for anarchy.

The strong points learned are evident in what you witnessed.
The weak points are accepting a higher casulty rate and accepting that one hit will eliminate a person from a fight.
As we have all seen on TV clips and videos, many people are hit and continue to be a threat.
Also, the playing field is very small and limited in range of threat. In the real world I would suspect you would engage an enemy at your effective comfortable range. In modern warfare U.S. troops consistently engage at 200 meters. 100 meters is fairly close combat, and anything inside that is probably considered CQB.

In paintball, there is less fear of being hit. You get hit and the game goes on.
In real life, you get hit it and you are a casulty that will take more effort to remove you from the battlefield.

So yes, the tactics and communication you learn on a paintball field are good, but definitely refined quite a bit before going to battle (if it was ideal, our military would consistently use it for basic and advanced training).
Instead, our military uses paintball (simunitions) for CQB training.
They use the radio/laser (can't think of the name) system with their issue weapons for more open terrain training battles. That system has been in play long enough that there are common ways to cheat that most know.

So simulated battle is good, but not complete training that I would want a troop to have before going to battle.

Also, youth has quite an advantage of a bunch old fat guys that work for a living. That is why the average age of a troop is 19 (was last time I checked). Obviously, the kids had much more training than the LEO squad.

I played for a long time too, it's good for getting someone into a tactical frame of mind. The problem is a real firefight would most likely be nothing like a paintball fight, paintball is pretty damn close quarters, and even the most accurate paintball gun is nowhere near as accurate as most firearms. It's a fun game but...i wouldnt say it's a good for training someone for a real firefight.

Pretty much. Though it's got it's merits, it's certainly not how someone would act or work in real combat.
That being said, I used to love paintball and it can be a hell of a lot of fun...but I've got a suppressed high cap rifle...let the little bastards try. Besides, shooting a paintball gun does little to teach real accuracy.

I prefer to get my practice from "Call of Duty".

Edit: Actually, video games are only slightly worse than paintball at practicing real tactics in my opinion. When playing paintball (In my experience) most people work on the spray and pray method and they're pretty fearless because they know they won't die and will get to play again in the next round (If not sooner). You get people who tend to run and gun a lot and don't make any attempt at cover and concealment. Naturally some groups are more realistic than others...

Pretty much. Though it's got it's merits, it's certainly not how someone would act or work in real combat.
That being said, I used to love paintball and it can be a hell of a lot of fun...but I've got a suppressed high cap rifle...let the little bastards try. Besides, shooting a paintball gun does little to teach real accuracy.

The sights on most paintball guns are just for show. All the ones i used you basically just had to shoot, see where it hit, and adjust. Kinda indian bow style, after a while you just know where it's going to go. Nothing at all like a rifle.

I've played paintball with quiet a few seals and sf guys, they always get worked.


Of course generally its because by the end of the second game they are too drunk to move:laughing:

What about the higher-end air soft?

People play that too, more realistic weapons it seems??? I dunno much about pb or as but AS always looked more realistic ??? Mags to change, semi, full auto, metal, etc?

I have been playing a ton of airsoft lately. I got a good group of friends together and we've been going around to different games playing as a team. Just like any hobby I have dumped a ton of money into this. Doing about $400 worth of work to my primary gun right now.

I really think it helps you learn tactical maneuvers and think the stuff I have been learning would really help if it came down to me having to grab my real gun and do the same stuff.

I have played paintball before, but never really got into it. Airsoft is way more realistic. The weapons are damn near clones of the real guns. Most of my guns are all metal and weight almost exactly what the real ones do. Hell my airsoft M4 weights more than my real one.

Here is my primary gun>

http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/images/1491.jpg

Here is my backup>

http://echo1usa.com/English/images/CQC_01.jpg

Here is the gun I bring with me to stick in our base

http://images.hobbytron.com/DYT-IU-M249-MKII-lg.jpg

I also carry a pistol on my side incase my primary jams on me during a battle.

We all limit our guns to 400fps, which is hard enough that anything within about 15 feet is breaking the skin. We've had a few times in CQB battles where you get hit with face shots under 2 feet away. It's not that big of deal, wipe the blodd off and go back to playing.

Playing paintball is excellent training for playing paintball. End.

I have been playing a ton of airsoft lately. I got a good group of friends together and we've been going around to different games playing as a team. Just like any hobby I have dumped a ton of money into this. Doing about $400 worth of work to my primary gun right now.

I really think it helps you learn tactical maneuvers and think the stuff I have been learning would really help if it came down to me having to grab my real gun and do the same stuff.

I have played paintball before, but never really got into it. Airsoft is way more realistic. The weapons are damn near clones of the real guns. Most of my guns are all metal and weight almost exactly what the real ones do. Hell my airsoft M4 weights more than my real one.

I also carry a pistol on my side incase my primary jams on me during a battle.

We all limit our guns to 400fps, which is hard enough that anything within about 15 feet is breaking the skin. We've had a few times in CQB battles where you get hit with face shots under 2 feet away. It's not that big of deal, wipe the blodd off and go back to playing.

Now that looks like a ton of fun. I am going to look into this. The more realistic the better.

Playing paintball is excellent training for playing paintball. End.

So what do you suggest for us folks with no formal training? Speaking in terms of team training, not individual skills.

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We play in the woods only lately. Used to have an Urban setup to play in before the ROTC excluded us. :laughing:

If you want to play and make it real a tippmann X7 can be made to look like whatever you want it to be. Go to the X7 builder on Tippmann or SpecOps site.

X7 takes A5 barrels. Paintball was the hobby before I stumbled in here.

The cops that have paid with us/against us lost badly and we suck.

One guy fresh from the Army played and he never was able to leave his first tree. I thought he'd be lethal, he wasn't.

I think paintball only helps with tactics.

So which is better in a real firefight, to be on the move or stationary in a non-secure position? Anytime I sit still in paintball, unless in a great bunker, I always get nailed. Always better to be moving in paintball.

It may not be good SHTF training, but I know more than before paintball about myself under "fire" and some tactics...

Playing paintball is excellent training for playing paintball. End.

And it gets my fat ass outside for some exercise. :homer:

Look at it like something to do in the off season when the zombies and black helicopters aren't around. Skiers ski all winter and find something else to do when the snow is gone like mountain bike or water ski. Not very similar but at least it's something to keep them fit.

I play woods ball and just use a semi-auto Spyder marker. I've played against higher end angels and Ions but I've resisted upgrading. Maybe I just like to take out someone with my $50 marker (used) that spent way too much on theirs. If you want something tangible to take into the real world you may or may not find it. Non-verbal communication is probably one of the big things learned. Camouflage and concealment, flanking, how to keep your head down, etc to a point. I play paintball because I enjoy it, I don't have any delusions that it is going to help me against a real gun. I play with a bunch of guys in my neighborhood and it's helped me get to know them.

play paintball wearing only a thong and racquetball goggles.

It will teach you much better "real world" tactics :laughing:

And as I type this I am still bleeding from a couple of Simunition impacts from this week.

Paintball shows the importance of ambush, cover, distance and accurate return fire. It also proves just how slow and out of shape you are. :flipoff2:

I actually prefer to play on non paint field areas and play against superior numbers. I enjoy being outnumbered. :smokin:

The spray and pray players are the best to assassinate! :D

Yes and No.

I played outlaw woodsball. Pretty much anything goes except for bonus balling and if you did you ran the chance of the other guy getting pissed off and you getting a marker butt in your teeth.

-It teaches the importance of teamwork. Ive seen teams of 12-14 year olds hand police and ex military their heads. Teams that train and play together usually end up kicking the shit out of any random group of players no matter how much training you have.

-It teaches ambush, tactics, cover fire, and guerilla style fighting. Also you have to be pretty good at snap shooting.

-It teaches the importance of maintaining and having properly working equipment. Guys who don't maintain their markers bog down at least one other player, they can't lay cover fire very well. Generally they are the last one out because they are hiding behind a tree or rock, and they aren't a serious threat.

Bad things it teaches are....

-Improper cover. I could hide in a thicket of mountain laurel and be perfectly safe because even though I would be getting sprayed with paint mist, the balls themselves never contacted me. If they were real bullets I would be dead a thousand times over by now.

-Recklessness, most games are played within the 20-100 ft range, and most markers viable past 150 ft or so if they not running hot. You could pretty much walk to cover. Again if it were bullets, 150 feet is a dead shot every time.

-Accuracy. Even the most accurate markers are not very accurate. Paintballs are not round, dirty barrels, old paintballs, cold, hot, low air all have an effect on accuracy. Hence most guys are running full auto electric, or response triggers. If you are semi you are generally undergunned. Players who use semi auto to start out are generally better.

-Scopes are worthless, dot sights are good. Snipers are worthless, there is no sniping in paintball.


My old markers

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1843/1000729hq4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ariakon Sim-4, bunch of goodies, Custom Rocking Trigger. This marker could shoot 30 balls a second. Its like fucking rope coming out of the barrel. I could burn threw paint and usually put up one hell of a last stand of defiance :flipoff2: This gun was too big and heavy for the saber/dagger style of play. Theres about 700 dollars sitting there.

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Tippman A5, serious addons, response trigger, doesn't shoot as fast as the sim 4 but way more reliable, well built and smaller. I raped face with this. Also had a brass honed eliptical barrel that as so accurate it was scary. 1000 Dollars spent building that fucker with all the upgrades. I still miss it.

So what do you suggest for us folks with no formal training? Speaking in terms of team training, not individual skills.

When we were kids - my sister, me, and my 2 male cousins - used to play outdoor hide-n seek...


in a 3 acre patch of woods.

Completely non-combat, but still great for stealth skills building.


Silly as it sounds - I'd have fun doing the same thing today :D:D:D

play paintball wearing only a thong and racquetball goggles.

It will teach you much better "real world" tactics :laughing:

And as I type this I am still bleeding from a couple of Simunition impacts from this week.

What is the effective range with simunitions?

Can they penetrate harder material than a paintball?

It seems simunitions are just paintballs with a bang, and hurt a little more?

Just curious.

Thanks for all the feedback guys.

It's starting to sound like running scenarios is the ticket regardless of what type of projectile is being used, ie. paintball, airsoft, simunitions, etc.; then playing them out over and over.

Anyone know where a good source for military type tactics can be found in the civilian world?

What is the effective range with simunitions?

Can they penetrate harder material than a paintball?

It seems simunitions are just paintballs with a bang, and hurt a little more?

Just curious.

http://www.simunition.com/index_en.php
its a wax or plastic projectile with paint on the inside...fired like a normal round and from what I've been told they hurt like hell..

I started playing paintball back when the Splatmaster was new and stoped just after EVERYBODY was full auto. The group I played with were older guys that had learned to run, jump or swim from their Uncle. Most of the time we did really well, some times not so much. As for Training, it gets you running around, jumping and crawling in 90 degree heat in full cover. So you will get in better shape or black and blue, but not all 'tactical'.

I sold all of my paintball toys long ago and now I am old and fat(er). It was fun so play for the fun not as training.

What is the effective range with simunitions?

Can they penetrate harder material than a paintball?

It seems simunitions are just paintballs with a bang, and hurt a little more?

Just curious.

effective range: 100 feet ish. They are affected by lopsided wax in the rounds, cold, hot and lack of weight.

plywood will still stop them

yes, but you have "real world" limitations such as: limited magazine, mag change times, weapons malfunctions and the amount of ammo you can carry.

I as an "attacker" carried a converted SIG (pistol is more reliable than M4 with the sims) and 9 magazines (way more than you would normally) and was usually OUT of ammo with a 15min firefight.
You ever try to hide behind a tree and reload a magazine while you can hear those fuckers whizzing by your head? :laughing:
and yes, they hurt when they find a nice spot to hit.

Like a full auto burst from 10 feet away that starts at your sack and ends at your neck.

they hurt when they find a nice spot to hit.

Like a full auto burst from 10 feet away that starts at your sack and ends at your neck.


.......and I always wear a cup when I play paintball. :laughing:

Besides, shooting a paintball gun does little to teach real accuracy.

Troof. Paintballs are inaccurate orbs that are too light to have any real accuracy, even with a rifled barrel.

I would suspect that the SWAT team was shooting one ball at a time, while the kids were using the "spray and pray" method.

as for a gun with a real trigger pull, any non electro Spyder, Autococker, Automag, Tippmann are worthy choices, or for a real challenge a pump gun like a Phantom or Sniper is a good choice.

Troof. Paintballs are inaccurate orbs that are too light to have any real accuracy, even with a rifled barrel.


False. You get what you pay for. Tournament grade paint will fly straight and true over and over again. I can hit a 4x4 post from 150ft (speedball field length) ball on ball with good paint, and a quality barrel.

You can aim them, and sights work to a point, but it will be more or less shoot the first ball and adjust from there.

Troof. Paintballs are inaccurate orbs that are too light to have any real accuracy, even with a rifled barrel.

I would suspect that the SWAT team was shooting one ball at a time, while the kids were using the "spray and pray" method.

as for a gun with a real trigger pull, any non electro Spyder, Autococker, Automag, Tippmann are worthy choices, or for a real challenge a pump gun like a Phantom or Sniper is a good choice.

Spray and pray is usually a speed ball tactic. Generally everybody has a gun there that shoots 20+ BPS. Most of the time theres too much cover in woodsball for spray and pray to be effective. Otherwise you are just running out of paintballs while the opposing team is advancing on your position.

Most of the time the police and military guys that I have seen were just out of their element, and didn't take enough "risk" to be aggressive. A skill that would serve them well in real world fire fights, but not so well in paint ball. Im sure if you gave everybody real guns every one of those kids would be dead because they would either do stupid shit, find poor cover or not know how to react and move under real gun fire.

False. You get what you pay for. Tournament grade paint will fly straight and true over and over again. I can hit a 4x4 post from 150ft (speedball field length) ball on ball with good paint, and a quality barrel.

You can aim them, and sights work to a point, but it will be more or less shoot the first ball and adjust from there.

You are correct,,,,,crap/old paint shoots like crap. New paint with a setup you are used to and you can nail a target at distance. -300 FPS is slow enough to see coming, but still hard to outrun when "close".

Paintball is to expensive and too addictive!!

I have 3 teenage sons and at one time was spending about $500 a month on our habit. My oldest boy and I were were hard to beat in a woods course or city course. We could communicate exceptionally well and had good skills at covering each other...


Probably the most fun we have ever had was doing that...


We still play from time to time and I still enjoy it just as much. Just can't afford to fund 4 people at that level...

Spray and pray is usually a speed ball tactic. Generally everybody has a gun there that shoots 20+ BPS.

Limit is 13 BPS across the board for all pro series and any reputable field, whether single shot or ramping/computer controlled. Speed ball is not spray and pray at all. Its a lot of communication, movement and tactics. Risk assessment vs. scoring are very important.

If you honestly think S is going to HTF and want to prepare for it as a civilian I'd say paintball is as good of method as any.

Or you could just go play for fun. If you really want to have fun, buy a pump gun and limit yourself to just a hopper full of paintballs for every round. One shot kills used to really piss off the guys with $1500 guns that didn't know the field or how to play.

You know what is sad - I have one of the largest paintball places in thia area less than a mile from my house, and I've never played paintball :(

Limit is 13 BPS across the board for all pro series and any reputable field, whether single shot or ramping/computer controlled. Speed ball is not spray and pray at all. Its a lot of communication, movement and tactics. Risk assessment vs. scoring are very important.

Yeah in tournaments with mature players who can actually play, in every other field and scenario its lay down some rope and hope for the best. You have a valid point, but for every player that plays smart theres a handful more that just like to empty 200 round hoppers in under 10 seconds

I stay away from speed ball personally, too many kids, too much BS. I used to find it commical when a speedballer would play woodsball for a day. Bright jerseys that you can see from a mile away, markers built for speed and close quarters fights, most were only mildy accurate. 9/10 they always got owned. Both use two totally different skill sets, I would get my ass kicked if I walked onto a speedball field.

Woodsball is like warfare.
Speedball is a fawking gang shootout.

Although I concede in a SHTF scenario, looters, theives, predators, etc etc, would probably fight more in a speedball style.

Just bumping this for some silly Q's. I'm looking for a get off my ass type activity. How cheaply could I get into airsoft, and still have a reasonable amount of fun?

I looked on egay, and I'm seeing M-16 lookalikes for less than 50 bux. Are they just plastic junkers that will end up broken and in the trash?

I prefer to get my practice from "Call of Duty".

Edit: Actually, video games are only slightly worse than paintball at practicing real tactics in my opinion. When playing paintball (In my experience) most people work on the spray and pray method and they're pretty fearless because they know they won't die and will get to play again in the next round (If not sooner). You get people who tend to run and gun a lot and don't make any attempt at cover and concealment. Naturally some groups are more realistic than others...

This is the other part of the equation that the kids have as an advantage. Some of these new games have very realistic scenarios, and the weapons act like the real thing.

If I ever got into a gunfight, my tactics would be WAY different than paintball tactics. I do not think its all that great of training.
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I just saw this thread today. :homer:

I played competitve paintball for a traveling team in the early 90's. I also worked for an indoor field and at a paintball proshop for a coupla years.

While most people would play 1-2 times a month if they were into it, me and my team would practice during the week EVERY NIGHT when the indoor field closed. Then we would spend every weekend on oputdoor fields or in comps. Our sponsors supplied the paint. After countless hours of practice, we got pretty damed good.

We shot against local PD's and SWAT teams, and also shot againt Dept of Correction SORT at camp parks in Dublin CA. On outdoor fields we shot against all sorts of military folks. We mopped the floor with them.

The biggest thing you learn: angles and getting the first drop.

It's not always who can lay more paint, but who gets the first shot off and who ducks LAST.

Many LEO guys would hug an angle to hard so they were an easier target. You don't want to hug a corner becuase that is where an eye is drawn to, you want to step back as far as possible from the angle, in that fraction of a second that it takes them to refocus thier vision...you have the drop on them.


All we would have to do is lob a couple of shots to make them duck..then wait with our guns up. 90% of the time, they would pop thier heads out in the EXACT same place they just ducked. :shaking: It would take them a 1/2 second to catch a bead, and by then, you could get a few shots off.

If you are looking around a corner, it is best to go as low as possible on the angle, becuase people tend to focus thier vision higher up.

i was also surprised how many LEO's did not keep thier weapon pointed up where they were looking at all times. they tend to hold the weapon down, but I think that is becuase they are trained not to shoot the guy in front of them in the back when rushing a room, or to make sure they have the right target...I dunno. Miltary guys did not do that as much

now the bad:

In paintball, you can throw a LOT of paint, and do not have to worry about conserving ammo when you are humping 800+ rounds. people get very trigger happy and shoot off a lot more than you normally would in the real deal.

Also, as said before, you do not really learn what REAL cover it.

IMO, Paintball can also take away some of the confidence in a real firefight, (That you need in a firefight) becuase you can learn how quick you can actually go down.

While you CAN learn a little, still: NOTHING compares to the real deal.

I have a gun that would be perfect for you.... A solid dependable gun that has been mod'd as I grew with it...

Tippman 98 Custom
Response Trigger Kit
Cyclone Ball Feed Kit (from the A5)
Rocket cock
drop forward with expansion chamber
HPA guage
Star Bolt conversion
Double trigger
14" J&J ceramic barrel
Carrying case
1500 rounds of shit paintballs
3 20oz CO2 tanks
1 12oz tank
Mask and goggles

Hit me back if you're interested - I'm really not sure what to ask - so I will rely on the forum for advice.... I'm thinking it's a steal at $250.

I was looking more at airsoft than paintball. Either way, I need some kind of acive hobby.

I was looking more at airsoft than paintball. Either way, I need some kind of acive hobby.

You want woodsball. I thought I had good stamina until I started playing woodsball. When you have to start running and jumping through brush to get away, flank, or take cover you get one hell of a cardio workout. My first day I was like "gawd damn I'm out of shape".

I played airsoft for 5 years, traveld all over playing, Fort Knox, Fort pickett, and a few others.

Its good training in my eyes, especially when your playing with LEO/Mil personel.

Most of the guys on my team that i traveld with are active service/prior service members and a few are now contractors. I learned alot from them, and its true that teamwork and communication can make you a better player and i guess a better "SHTF player":flipoff2:

But in the end, if you are just shooting plastic, and using cover that protects you from plastic or paint, you're not going to react the same with Live fire.

I went from Airsoft to simunitions once and it was totaly different.


But in the end, its a good tool to learn basic skills and such but i would'nt say it makes you as good as "the real guys"

It sure is fun taking out a 6 man SWAT team from around where i live in a building and watching them shake their heads.:D

I've got a Shocker NXT. I love to play but it really has nothing to do with real world tactics.

Standard load for my M4gery is 270 rounds. Standard load for a round of paintball is 1000 rounds. I can burn through that 1000 rounds of paint in about 10 minutes or less during some good games, try doing that with your M4 and your going to melt a barrel. As doc said too, plywood is not cover for bullets.

It's great fun but don't take it too seriously.


Axle

maybe i missed it, but how do you play airsoft?

the paintballs and simunitions have a marking on them, but the airsoft doesnt.


i guess i used to "play" airsoft back when they first came out about 6-7 years ago, when i was in college. us playing meant we cut off most of the lights in my buddies old house with about 6 of us in it, then shoot the shit out of each other. no one had anything more than the sig pistols and we didnt use eye protection. most of the time the face hits and the ones on the knuckles hurt the worst.

we put an end to it when one of my friends was running through the house as he was getting sprayed by a few guys, slipped on a rug on the hardwood floor and dislocated his femur from his pelvis. :barf:

my old apartment in college had every horizontal plastic blind with pieces chunked out of them from the BBs and all the light fixtures too. The best was the half-inch gap under my roommates bathroom door where i could bounce those bastards off the tile and hit him while he was on the shitter. the fights that insued after that were epic :lmao:

maybe i missed it, but how do you play airsoft?

the paintballs and simunitions have a marking on them, but the airsoft doesnt.



Its on the "honor" system.

In japan where it started, that means a little more.

People cheat thier asses off in paintball, I would hate to see how people cheat in airsoft..LOL!

False. You get what you pay for. Tournament grade paint will fly straighter and truer over and over again.
Fixed. Not only is good paint important, barrel, bore size, barrel type, etc. Even then, it is not as accurate as a bullet.
Limit is 13 BPS across the board for all pro series and any reputable field, whether single shot or ramping/computer controlled. Speed ball is not spray and pray at all. Its a lot of communication, movement and tactics. Risk assessment vs. scoring are very important.

IIRC there was a series that gave up on bps limits. Don't know how long that lasted.

Fixed. Not only is good paint important, barrel, bore size, barrel type, etc. Even then, it is not as accurate as a bullet.

IIRC there was a series that gave up on bps limits. Don't know how long that lasted.


Never said it was any where near as accurate as lead.

NPPL was the series. Its gone now and two years ago they went down to 13 also.