there is a tag on the rear 44 in the new/old 64 80 I bought. Is it possible it came with a 4.89? Any idea what year/model it would have come from? It has perches welded on almost at the backing plates, in addition to normal 80 width perches.

the ring gear says

7 8 1968 Dana 18525 A3D10 44-9

supposedly it was matched to the front axle, which on a 64 I thought would be 4.27. Did they ever come stock with 4.89, on a t90/D18 equipped rig?

The numbers sound like 4.88, but maybe you should count teeth?

I had a 1966 SportTop 800 with 4.88's 152/t-18/dana 20, Dana 27 front and dana 44 rear. The 4.88's aren't as common as the 4.27's but i have seen a few 80/800's with them.

there is a tag on the rear 44 in the new/old 64 80 I bought. Is it possible it came with a 4.89? Any idea what year/model it would have come from? It has perches welded on almost at the backing plates, in addition to normal 80 width perches.

the ring gear says

7 8 1968 Dana 18525 A3D10 44-9

supposedly it was matched to the front axle, which on a 64 I thought would be 4.27. Did they ever come stock with 4.89, on a t90/D18 equipped rig?

Scout 80s did not come with D44s ever. Someone swapped it in. (Probably a D44 from an 800, they are just about the same width).

44-9 means 4.888888 (44 divided by 9).

its not an 800 rear because its not tapered.

its not an 800 rear because its not tapered.
Late 800 production had Flanges rear axles. Like '70/'71. But they were narrower than SII axles.


Whats the over-all width, wheel mounting flange to wmf.


4.88's, to my knowledge weren't a normal factory option on SII rears, but anythings possible in the past 30+ years.

Ill check the WMS. Sounds like it may be a late 800 rear then. The PO did say he had it regeared, but didnt know what to. just strange that it has a tag on it.

Isnt the 1968 the date of the ring gear manufatured? If so, The PO had a later 69/70/71 flanged axle set up with used gears. One of my ex's had a 74 CJ-5 with a flanged 44 from the factory.... Maybe its one of those housings with old gears in it. Who the fawk cares anyway? Really? You wanna know for piece of mind or for re-sale value?:flipoff2:

resale

Probably 19 spline as well.

Probably 16 spline as well.
I thought all the flanged axles were 30-spline. But haven't had the opportunity (privilege?? :flipoff2:) of playing with the late 800 stuff.


Either way, if its for resale, who gives a rats ass if its stock or not. Just sell it for what it is. A 4.88 geared rear axle. Figure out if its Scout 800 or Scout II (that would make a difference to buyers), what the spline count it, locker or not. A flanged 800 axle would be worth more, since they are less common. A SII axle is pretty common. Local market will dictate what you can get for them. SII rears typically go for in the $100 range depending on buyer. Probably less with today's shitty economy, but maybe a little more desirable with the 4.88's (but I doubt it, not many folks want anything that low in a D44).

anyone with a 152 and larger than 30" tires would want 488

Oops, I meant 19 spline actually.

I don't have time to find it, but I'm pretty sure the early flanged 800 D44s were 19 spline.

so the rear 44 is 58" wide. doesnt that make it a SII rear, or were the 800 44's wider than the 27's?

Seems the PO was running 488 rear and 427 front. Surpirsed he didnt go boom, though he is open front and rear

If it's 58.0" WMS wide then it's from an SII. The flanged D44 used in the later 800A's and the 800B's measures 56.75 WMS. The tapered D44 used earlier measures 54.75, although there may be other widths as well. I know there was centered pumpkin and offset pumpkin versions, but don't know if they differ in width. To my knowledge, all the flanged D44's used in Scouts were 30-spline, I've never heard of a flanged Scout D44 being 19-spline. I don't know when the width changed from 56.75 to 58.0, although I've been told it was in 1974 when the front axle changed.

If it's 58.0" WMS wide then it's from an SII. The flanged D44 used in the later 800A's and the 800B's measures 56.75 WMS. The tapered D44 used earlier measures 54.75, although there may be other widths as well. I know there was centered pumpkin and offset pumpkin versions, but don't know if they differ in width. To my knowledge, all the flanged D44's used in Scouts were 30-spline, I've never heard of a flanged Scout D44 being 19-spline. I don't know when the width changed from 56.75 to 58.0, although I've been told it was in 1974 when the front axle changed.
To the best of my knowledge, ALL SII's ('71/72-80) had essentially the same rear axle. Bearings and brakes changed as new style came available, but they are essentially the same axle. All were 30-spline and 58" wide.


The "narrow" Flanged axle was LATE 800 production. Don't know the exact years, probably only like '70 and '71, and then maybe only with certain options (such as a V8). Never realised he tapered axle was even narrower. Good info.


Plug, sounds like you have a SII rear D44 that someone swapped 4.88's into. Check to see if its got a locker of any sort and advertise it as thus. Depending on your area, I'd try starting with $100-$150 cause of the gears, more if its got Limited slip of some sort, and a little more if its got a true locker (i.e. detroit). Good luck.