anyone running a front mounted front3 link and still using normal steering?
not hydraulic?
something like this?

No. Massive bump steer with crossover steering. A good 'ol push-pull chevy style steering would limit bump steer somewhat in a setup like that, but you would still have all the problems associated with push-pull steering. (unable to steer under severe flex) For an aplication that doesnt use a track bar, full hydo is your best bet.

i have that and if you mount the top 3rd link in line under the steering box you will have no bump steer

i've never seen a front 3link like that. do they seem to work well? Seems like it would limit aproach angle pretty severely.

-Steve

Does anybody have any write ups on that type of links? That's the second rig I've seen w/ that setup and it looks like it would work extremely well.

How does Walker Evans like his front setup? :D

some one needs to tell them that links work in compression also

TRD
drop us some knowledge
explain us your comment for those a bit slower (me)

I am just wondering why he did a trailing style 4-link instead of a leading style?

There are many reasons to do a leading including longer links more choice on location/geometry etc.

However people sometimes run into the problem of hitting the engine so they will do what you see here. I just think there are better ways around interferances than doing a trailing style 4-link in the front especially on a tube buggy.

catch my drift? why that way?

word!

If your only worried about bumpsteer on the street (I mostly crawl so bumpsteer on the trail would be more then livable) then you would just need your draglink to be as close as possible to being parralel to the ground to minimize bumpsteer. i don't think it would even be noticable for the the first few inches of travel.

Originally posted by offroadr35
i've never seen a front 3link like that. do they seem to work well? Seems like it would limit aproach angle pretty severely.

-Steve
That design is pretty popular with the desert racers...with proper setup your bump steer is supposed to be next to nothing. C-fab does his that way (Desert racer) as well as Walker Evens ~ who has his roots in desert racing as well.

Looks to me like that is hydraulic steering on that rig.Maybe you know that though and just asking about a steering gear box mounted to frame drag link to knuckle to turn and if this set up would have bump steer.

Thing is when ever you have a steering source mounted on a frame that goes to a solid front axle that articulates and suspends up and down, you will always have unwanted steer, loss of steer to one side or what is mostly reffered to as bump steer.

The amount can be very little to very much deppending. Track bars or Pan hard bars whatever you wish to call them, help keep the length to the knuckle the same distance from the pitman arm. But if that will work on a 3 link set up maybe but will reduce articulation alot since 3 link or triangled trailing arms locate the axle side to side motion and the track bar or panhard bar needs to be able to shift the axle side ways.

Only true way known to me to have no unwanted steer thru any articulation and suspending up and down motion would be hydraulic steering. Unless something is out that Im unaware of.

Im talking about steering source located on suspended frame or body, to a solid axle that articulates and suspends up and down only all that doesn't apply to other set up's like indeppendant suspension.

whos jeep is that it looks nice.the front mounted trailing arms absorb hi speed stuff and works like a shackle reversle.with a wish bone like this jeep has if the steering bar is cloes to flat the bump steer shoud be very little .the trailing style links take contact presure away from what it is trying to climb instead of the tire pushing against the obstical it rolls away from the obstical.;)

Originally posted by frankie fountain
whos jeep is that it looks nice.the front mounted trailing arms absorb hi speed stuff and works like a shackle reversle.with a wish bone like this jeep has if the steering bar is cloes to flat the bump steer shoud be very little .the trailing style links take contact presure away from what it is trying to climb instead of the tire pushing against the obstical it rolls away from the obstical.;)

BearFoot Monster Truck used that suspension about 12 years ago and he never had that much luck with it. As you can tell it really never caught on. I am not saying that it will not work good for what we want to do but it didn't work great for him.

Originally posted by Donovan


BearFoot Monster Truck used that suspension about 12 years ago and he never had that much luck with it. As you can tell it really never caught on. I am not saying that it will not work good for what we want to do but it didn't work great for him. if you will notice at the bottom i said the trailing style links take contact preasur away from the tires.this means its not hot for rock crawling.do you understand;)

The majority is wrong here, conventional steering will work fine in this case if set up correctly. The first 3.5" of travel (up or down) will never be felt and after that it increase at a tolerable rate. One down fall is it tends to fall on it's face during hard brakeing, but if you play with rates and wieghts you could probably take care of alot of it.

Eric Filar

This is the same way www.sunrayengineering.com sets up their link systems.

They also use conventional steering and it works just fine.

I am planning on doing a 3-link with non-hydro steer soon. It is on my Willys and the steering box is behind the axle rather than in front like normal. My plan is to run a link from the pitman arm back to an idler arm then forward to the steering knuckle on the axle. The drag link will be parallel wit the suspension links so there will be no bumpsteer. I have thought it out carefully and see no reason it would not work.