http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28072607/

fienstien is such a stupid bitch
i wish she would hurry up and die already

fienstien is such a stupid bitch
i wish she would hurry up and die already

X2
and take pelosi with here.

i wish she would hurry up and die already



X3 And the rest of the gun grabbing crew

This regulation will put visitors, employees and precious resources of the National Park System at risk.

Say what?

Should never admit this in a public forum but I never knew it was illegal to CC in parks until I read how they were trying to overturn the ban.

No one pays attention to the ban at the Padre Island National seashore. I had also never heard of it until recently.What are the reprocussions of getting caught packin heat in a natl park anyway?

fienstien is such a stupid bitch
i wish she would hurry up and die already

I hear she's got big plans for you... something about taking the Governator's job next election.... :eek:

I hear she's got big plans for you... something about taking the Governator's job next election.... :eek:
gawd help us all if she does run.

Yeah.....


Don't have a gun on you in Yellowstone?

Fuck that!!!!



Even the park rangers will tell you that is stupid!

Hot Damn!

I've lobbied for this because we have the Natchez Trace, which is a National Park, that runs diagonally across the whole state of MS. You either avoided the Trace or simply ignored the law to get from one point to another. The Trace is a thoroughfare to travel to different places and has interstate access, as well as runs through cities.

Same as riding through other places just to site see when on a long trip.

It was intended that you had to leave your weapon somewhere, which makes no sense.

The way it's written, it may not mean much to us here in Tennessee. We can't carry in state parks, so it may be that the state "park law" will carry over to the NP's. We'll see. The AG will hopefully soon issue his opinion of the new rules and how they relate to the parts of the parks and forests that lay in Tennessee.

On the plus side, repbulicans finally control the state legislature here for the first time since Reconstruction. The dems, with one major asshole at the helm, have repeatedly killed pro-gun legislation in committee. Perhaps things will change.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/dec/05/ban-guns-fed-parks-rescinded/

"Tennessee and North Carolina both allow gun owners to carry weapons with a permit but bar the firearms from state parks, except in areas where hunting is permitted.

If the new federal rule had closely followed state law, concealed weapons would not be permitted in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park or any other federal parks in those states.

But federal officials decided to remove the "analogous public lands" provision from the final rule after hearing concerns about the feasibility of implementing such a regulation, said Interior Department spokesman Chris Paolino.

As a result, weapons will now be permitted in federal parks in Tennessee and North Carolina but will still be banned in state parks in both states.

The net effect, Faehner said, is that state parks in Tennessee will have tougher weapons restrictions than national parks like the Smokies."

does this mean we can CC at Tellico now? the bear on the trails can get irritable.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/dec/05/ban-guns-fed-parks-rescinded/

"Tennessee and North Carolina both allow gun owners to carry weapons with a permit but bar the firearms from state parks, except in areas where hunting is permitted.

If the new federal rule had closely followed state law, concealed weapons would not be permitted in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park or any other federal parks in those states.

But federal officials decided to remove the "analogous public lands" provision from the final rule after hearing concerns about the feasibility of implementing such a regulation, said Interior Department spokesman Chris Paolino.

As a result, weapons will now be permitted in federal parks in Tennessee and North Carolina but will still be banned in state parks in both states.

The net effect, Faehner said, is that state parks in Tennessee will have tougher weapons restrictions than national parks like the Smokies."

I had read that the other day, but then I read some conflicting information. Thanks for the post.

does this mean we can CC at Tellico now? the bear on the trails can get irritable.

Be careful. It's easy to drift into bear reserves in the Cherokee and in the Smokies. You really don't want to be caught with a weapon in a bear reserve. Most rangers would probably be pretty cool about it, but that's a pretty serious crime if they decide to jack you up.

Here's a really crappy map. Scroll down:

http://www.state.tn.us/twra/bearsanctuaries.html

My guess is the NC wildlife management agency will also have similar reserves and maps.

WHouse stops pending Bush regulations for review
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Barack Obama's new administration ordered all federal agencies and departments on Tuesday to stop any pending regulations until they can be reviewed by incoming staff, halting last-minute Bush orders in their tracks.

"This afternoon, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel signed a memorandum sent to all agencies and departments to stop all pending regulations until a legal and policy review can be conducted by the Obama administration," the White House said in a statement issued just hours after Obama took office.

The review is a tool commonly used by a new administration to delay so-called "midnight regulations" put in place by a former president between the election and Inauguration Day.

Midnight regulations have been heavily used by recent former presidents, including the Democrat Bill Clinton, Republican George H. W. Bush, and most recently, the Republican George W. Bush.

Controversial late rules by the outgoing Bush administration include allowing the carrying of concealed weapons in some national parks and prohibiting medical facilities from receiving federal money for discriminating against doctors and nurses who refuse to assist with abortions or dispense contraceptives based on religious grounds.

Federal law requires a 60-day waiting period before any major regulatory changes become law, so some presidents try to publish new major regulations to ensure they go into effect before the new president's inauguration on January 20.

(Reporting by Tabassum Zakaria; Editing by Patricia Zengerle)



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090121/pl_nm/us_obama_regulations

does this mean we can CC at Tellico now? the bear on the trails can get irritable.

I have always carried on every wheeling trip. Been asked about it twice. Never had an issue.

WHouse stops pending Bush regulations for review


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090121/pl_nm/us_obama_regulations



Is this the beginning or does it just so happen that this issue is one of many and the reporter decided to note it?

Either way, this sucks. I'm in the Smokies quite often and was excited about the changes:(

Is it just CC? or does this cover open carry? :confused:

Is it just CC? or does this cover open carry? :confused:
Current regulations is that if you MUST transport a firearm in a national park it needs to be fully broken down and locked in a case in a locked part of your vehicle.

what are considered national parks exactly....i frequent the appalachian trail backpacking...i will be damned if i'm not gonna carry on the AT open or not...last i heard; on the AT you could open carry as long as you had a CC in VA...now that's here in VA not any other state and i'm speaking for any other state either....

what are considered national parks exactly....i frequent the appalachian trail backpacking...i will be damned if i'm not gonna carry on the AT open or not...last i heard; on the AT you could open carry as long as you had a CC in VA...now that's here in VA not any other state and i'm speaking for any other state either....
anything that's been made a national park is a national park. most of the AT is NOT national park land. In fact, I'm not sure if any is.

gawd help us all if she does run.

No offense but better Feinstein in CA as the govenor then sitting in the FED senate where she can tip the balance on a FED level...basic Peter principle issue in my book that spills over to everybody in the US when shes in the senate... ;)

D.

i had never heard of it either until rangers at tellico were shaking people down looking for them.

gonna suck for driving around N. GA. There are Federal parks and forrests on every side of the road.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/02/17/obama-defends-bush-rule-permitting-guns-national-parks/

Obama Defends Bush Rule on Permitting Guns in National Parks

The Obama administration is going to bat for former President Bush by defending his last-minute rule allowing loaded guns in national parks.

The Washington Post reported Tuesday that while the Interior Department is internally reviewing whether the measure passes environmental muster, the Justice Department sought to block a preliminary injunction of the controversial rule in response to a lawsuit filed Friday by gun-control and environmental groups.

The regulation took effect Jan. 9 and allows visitors to bring concealed, loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges. For more than 20 years, they were allowed in such areas only if they were unloaded or stored and dismantled.

The three groups fighting to overturn the rule are the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, the National Parks Conservation Association and the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees. They contend that the Bush administration violated several laws in issuing the rule, such as failing to conduct a sufficient environmental review under the National Environmental Policy Act. They also claim that the new policy could discourage some visitors from visiting national landmarks.

But the Justice Department said in its reply that the new rule "does not alter the environmental status quo, and will not have any significant impacts on public health and safety."

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar has requested an internal assessment of whether the measure has any environmental impacts the government needs to take into account, an Interior spokesman told the newspaper Monday.

The gun banners ought to be dropped off in the middle of one of the parks and see how they fare with the Grizzlies. They can get on their cell phones and call 911, then they can run away screaming for help :D.

so, Obama is going to let the Bush revision stand? Loaded firearms in national parks?

I was told that there was a gun ban tagged onto the porkstimulus, but someone caught it and removed it to get the vote thru...

I was told that there was a gun ban tagged onto the porkstimulus, but someone caught it and removed it to get the vote thru...

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=4430


Rumors and the Economic Stimulus Bill


Friday, February 13, 2009

We have been hearing many rumors, and receiving many inquiries, about "supposed" provisions in the federal economic stimulus bill that would negatively affect our Second Amendment rights. People have claimed the bill would designate interstate highways as national parks, or impose ammunition encoding and new ammunition taxes. Fortunately, and contrary to what you may have heard, there are no provisions in this bill prohibiting firearms or ammunition anywhere, or for anyone.

The only reference in the bill to firearms is a provision authorizing funds for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' (BATFE) "Project Gunrunner," which is a program that enforces existing laws to reduce smuggling of firearms from the United States to Mexico. This program imposes no new restrictions on gun owners, and if it did, we can assure you we would take swift action.

Needless to say, NRA, as a single-issue organization, takes no position on the economic stimulus legislation as a whole.

For more information and to read the legislation yourself, you can visit the following sites:

http://www.house.gov/billtext/hr1_legtext_cr.pdf, and http://www.house.gov/billtext/hr1_legtext_crb.pdf

(Please note that, due to the length of the text, the final bill must be viewed in two parts.)

When can we start carrying? Jan. 9th? Has anyone found on their website a statement that its now allowed?

what's the rule for carrying, concealed or otherwise, in national forests?

what's the rule for carrying, concealed or otherwise, in national forests?

NF land follows the law of the surrounding state. There *may* be some oddities in the whole "federal building" crap that the NPS has going on (even under the new rule, you can carry in a park, but not in a building in the park, because it's a "federal building") with FS or BLM land, but in the forest or prairie or such itself, if the state you're in allows open carry, you may open carry; with a valid CCW, you may carry concealed.

NF land follows the law of the surrounding state. There *may* be some oddities in the whole "federal building" crap that the NPS has going on (even under the new rule, you can carry in a park, but not in a building in the park, because it's a "federal building") with FS or BLM land, but in the forest or prairie or such itself, if the state you're in allows open carry, you may open carry; with a valid CCW, you may carry concealed.
thanks. looking at a house that backs to RMNF. A bit remote, but the price is right. Smaller than what we're renting, but bigger than what we had in Omaha. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

There's more to this than the Obama administration defending the rule. I'm not sure what it is, but something tells me there another angle.

For those of you planning to visit the GSMNP, take heed. I was at Cades Cove last weekend, and there were five or six rangers setting up what was essentially a road block on "the loop." They were stationed like pickets on each side of the road, nearly in the road, eye-balling everyone and looking for items in plain view. For those of you unfamiliar with this area of the park, the loop is a motor trail. A narrow, winding, slow-moving single lane. Eleven miles of paved road that pass by and through historic areas of the Cove. Pull-offs with old buildings, cemeteries, informational plaques, etc. At the visitor's center and the campground store, there were notices hanging in the windows about a federal law that prohibits carrying firearms into buildings where federal employees are working.

It's my opinion that most of the powers that be, at least in the GSMNP, are not at all happy about law-abiding citizens going armed. I get the feeling that remaining prohibitions will be enforced to their full extent, and that new forms of PC and reasonable suspicion will make it into the case law.

He is trying to gain trust and support. Kind of like the guy at the bar that slips her the date rape drug.