I'm doing a 1 ton axle swap, and I hung the front chevy 60 last week.

My parts mike double steering arm setup came in, before I ordered...I knew there would have to be a oil pan mod or swap. I have a few future plans for motor, and suspension setup down the road....so I knew regardless there would be lots of modifications. Thats why I still went the route of the double arms.

I have read a few threads, and read R290's thread about his swap with the double steering arm.

I would like to locate a pre 74 truck oil pan and just do that swap. But I was thinking about just cutting my scout II oil pan to gain the clearance for the tie rod on uptravel. With that idea, I feel I'll lose volume in the oil pan...which I'd like to avoid. I guess I could "add" to the front part of the pan to re gain what is lost when making the cuts for the clearance.

Should I just avoid this method, and be on the look out for a pre 74 truck oil pan? What is the difference in pan capacity b/t the two??

thanks

I have a few truck pans. Post a pic of the one you are looking for. Shipping shouldn't be too bad.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5355119&postcount=11

only pic I could really find.

thanks a bunch!

Sooo, you like haveing to buy 7qts of oil to do a change? heck, i'd reduce the pan volume as much as possible. flatten out the front hump so that old oil doesn't set in there with your change, unless it has two drain plugs, which my 345 does not.

what about moving the axle forward so that the tre/drag link go between the humps on the stock pan?

or lift it way up so it is no longer an issue!

How much do you lose when you cut the front hump off? Looks to me like it would be little more than half a quart. Oil capacity is already at least 6 quarts, right?

How much do you lose when you cut the front hump off? Looks to me like it would be little more than half a quart. Oil capacity is already at least 6 quarts, right?

Looks to me that the rear hump is his issue and wants a front hump only pan.

Sooo, you like haveing to buy 7qts of oil to do a change? heck, i'd reduce the pan volume as much as possible. flatten out the front hump so that old oil doesn't set in there with your change, unless it has two drain plugs, which my 345 does not.

what about moving the axle forward so that the tre/drag link go between the humps on the stock pan?


um, trail rig...and whats an extra $2.50 gonna hurt, to buy one more quart of oil??? I'd rather have more oil in a old motor, than reduce my volume and run the bearings dry...but I guess its better to save that two fitty:flipoff2:

I definitely thought about stretching the front, I've done that before...I also went full hydro. Just not interested in that right now, theres a few more things that come into play when stretching (driveline, pitman arm, moving shock brackets, spring hangers etc etc)


And yes, its the rear sump that is the issue...not the front sump. The pic I linked to shows the truck pan, it only has the sump in the front. It gives me the clearance for the tie rod and I *think* I gain 1" of clearance at that front sump as well.

Looks to me that the rear hump is his issue and wants a front hump only pan.

let me know if you find that truck pan, I have cash in hand and can send it out asap.

thanks

You can also get a two qt. oil filter.

I have, or used to have a stack of those. All depends on if you would want to pay Freight from WA.

You'll need a different/front sump oil pump and pickup as well. Good thing is they are available at most parts houses so you don't have to rebuild them like you would a Scout/'75-75 pump.

I have no problem paying freight....shouldn't be too much ground, if not we can get it shipped to my workplace. We have a loading dock and could ship through SAIA, they have great prices.

just let me know...I can mail or paypal.

I got my old truck pan that is all cleaned and painted, your going to need a truck pickup tube, and dip stick too. There somewhere in my pile of IH parts. The pan does not have a hole like the Scout II. You have to knock out a plug on the front of the motor and it installs there.

I went back to the Scout II pan (rear sump) as I noticed my oil pressure would drop to low when climbing hills. Maybe thats why IH went to a rear sump on the 74,75 truck?

All the pans are about the same capacity. Excluding a loadstar:homer:
Here a thread on oil pans. click here (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=617928&highlight=oil)

I thought about bending the tierod, but did not go that route. here what a 73 truck look like.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=464507&highlight=oil

Here is where I move the engine back 2.5"
http://www.ihonlynorth.com/forums/fabrication/233-engine-motor-mount-moved-back-2-5-a.html

Once I went back to the Scout II pan I also move the ram to the front too.

I found some waggy springs, I think im just going to move the axle forward.

How big of tires are you thinking of running?

37's right now...axles are already under and bolted in. Didn't outboard the front hangers yet, b/c I knew I would be changing the springs. I did a one ton swap about 6 years ago on a scout. Waggy springs, dodge 60, ford 70, stock springs rear and full hydro. Ran 38's, but cut out inner fender wheels and a good bit of trimming front and back. This build is a little different, trying to be a little "cleaner" with the build and want the ability to drive to the trail if necessary. I'll probably move the axle forward till the tie rod is in the middle of that groove on the oil pan. Going to try and get 107" wheel base. 2 up front 5 out back.

I will go to a 40" tire at some point.

Not sure how flat your springs are, but mine have an arc, and I'm RS so the axle moves back an inch or so. So maybe push it to one side of the hump as the springs flatten out an the shackle moves the tie rod won't hit a full compression.

You need to post a pic

i get what your saying, and thats something that didn't cross my mind...

Right now, its just the stock scout II front springs, in the stock location. I think it will still need to be moved forward,and waggy springs. I'll have a pic next week. going out of town till sunday, and the rain wont stop here in georgia today.